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On July 14 2020 12:54 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2020 11:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like if rayn is mafia, his game wasn't perfect. He idiotically bussed his partner D1, Trfel could've ridden for D1 and came back blazing D2 it happens ALL the time. There's no long-con justification for bussing your partner D1 in mafia it's a numbers game dog. ^ Why I think this game doesn't look like rayn mafia play ^ I think the case rayn made on D1 is more likely to come from a town rayn than a bussing mafia rayn. The way he gets aggravated when people don't play the way he wants. It all just feels very town to me.
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/549333-minifeast-15
This was the game i'm thinking about.
Rayn busses ES from the very start of the game.
Its a 9 player game with 2 scum.
ES is unsure about her ability to keep activity up throughout the game. Rayn busses with permission for the eventual win.
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On July 10 2020 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Firstly, i have to say that i think there is no reason why Trfel's scumbuddy isn't possibly voting for him right now assuming Trfel is mafia. Votes on him (aside from me and maybe Chezinu?) are basically because he is inactive. That's easy to fix, Trfel just starts posting and you can take off the vote on your scumbuddy. No harm done. However i actually do think Trfel's post in itself looks like a mafia post. Basically i see Trfel as paerson who investigates things and asks questions because there is some sort of contradiction to his own thought process of how things should go and he tries to figure out what the person thinks and if it makes sense or not. See for example him questioning Cake last game at the start of the game. This post though: Show nested quote +On July 09 2020 01:57 Trfel wrote:Completely forgot about this game. On July 08 2020 18:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well TT is town so there is that. I think there is a huge difference already in how he approaches the game in comparison to the last game. I thought Tictock was pretty towny last game, care to explain this? ...doesn't reall show any of this. First of all the whole question i nthe first place about TT is really stupid and shows no thinking behind it at all. Because TT was fucking mafia in the last game!!!! Trfel thinking TT was town last game doesn't mean shit because Trfel was WRONG and if TT is town this game, there FOR SURE is a difference in his play (regardless of if anyone can notice it or not at that point). Like the whole question feels like a throwaway thing based on no thinking at all. It just.... doesn't make any sense to me that THIS is what Trfel has to say when he comes and posts. Coming in late makes it more likely you make mistakes as mafia, and i think Trfel made on here. Also a smaller point is that yeah, as i said earlier, people who feel the need to tell that they forgot about the game starting (regardless of if it is true or not) are more likely to be mafia. That's a fact. No matter when you start posting there should be no reason for a townie to feel the need to explain why they haven't been posting so far.
A scumbuddy doesn't try to "AHAAAAA! GOTCHA" their teammates when they bus. They just make their point and vote them. The bolded bit reads like a townie who is explaining his mindset - not a mafia who pre-meditated a bus. Like I said earlier, the mafia bus accusation against Trfel was "He shat on my townread of TT and his entrance was balls ##Vote", not a dissertation on the Scumminess of Trfel.
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On July 03 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not sure if people understand my read on ES, definitely don't understand why some people call it a bad read. My read is based on the fact ES seems (first) to be having an opinion on how Grack plays, then follows the logic further and comes to a conclusion that makes no sense. I can somehow understand this from town perspective still because ES seems to be a player who dumps everything she currently thinks into the thread and possibly can make logical mistakes (reference; the gunsmith game for those who know). That's why i unvoted. I was not sure. But then she did it again with HF. Like she literally said HF is super strong mafia player and then she went on saying if HF is mafia he is just gonna afk and we kill him. That's strike two and noone ever says that as town if the starting point is that HF is ridiculously strong mafia player. If someone has an opinion on someone else's play based on meta they NEVER contradict that opinion straight up as town, i am just not going to believe it.
I am letting Eywa off the hook at least until ES flip because i think ES is mafia, lately Eywa has made sense regardless of if i agree with her or not, and i think bussing would be stupid here, double bussing ridiculously stupid. I don't believe there is any chance they are mafia together and i think ES is scum so there is that.
I had a townread on grack early on because i decided (after his last scumgame) to read him like i read yamato. Grackaroni is quite a low quantity poster. His post early on where he asks kind of a throwaway question on Trfel made me think there is some sort of thought process in his head. I gave him a slight townread for that. When he came back and followed up his stuff he actually DID follow it up and it even made sense. When Grack was mafia he didn't really post anything "bad", in fact he posted all the right things but all that together was some random right things. The bus on Vivax especially threw me off there. There was not really any train of thought seen from his posting, if you get what i mean. rn i think it's different, however i am not fan of Grack's read on ES, especially the reasoning behind his read, because -- just like trfel's -- the reasoning doesn't really make anyone anything, it's a surface level read and easy to make without saying anything wrong, but there is really nothing that should make the opposing player anything. I guess they could be mafia together but i do not want to lynch Grack over ES.
I am not a fan of Trfel at all. I have pretty much no idea what he is doing and what he is trying to achieve. It feels like mafia!disformation-style-of-posting where you say stuff and look like youre thinking about stuff but you don't really say anything or do anything and everyone just ignores you.
Idk if i missed something. I have a friend over at my place so i am trying to read along and i will kick him out at latest 1 hour before deadline to be around.
This is the "case" on ES from that other game, every vote before it was a staged argument in the thread.
And in this case rayn not only doesn't "nail ES to the fucking floor" the way he did with Trfel in this game, he left himself plenty of outs to vote other people if there was no traction and possiblities for other lynches.
It looks VERY different from the case he made in this game, in which he laser targeted a person, left no room for doubt and confidently made his point.
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Problem is rayn and chez are both the kind of player who would relish the challenge of winning a game on their own from day 2 onwards.
Everything about them is kinda symmetrical, if you know what i mean. No matter which way you look at it it could be either of them.
On July 14 2020 13:02 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2020 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Firstly, i have to say that i think there is no reason why Trfel's scumbuddy isn't possibly voting for him right now assuming Trfel is mafia. Votes on him (aside from me and maybe Chezinu?) are basically because he is inactive. That's easy to fix, Trfel just starts posting and you can take off the vote on your scumbuddy. No harm done. However i actually do think Trfel's post in itself looks like a mafia post. Basically i see Trfel as paerson who investigates things and asks questions because there is some sort of contradiction to his own thought process of how things should go and he tries to figure out what the person thinks and if it makes sense or not. See for example him questioning Cake last game at the start of the game. This post though: On July 09 2020 01:57 Trfel wrote:Completely forgot about this game. On July 08 2020 18:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well TT is town so there is that. I think there is a huge difference already in how he approaches the game in comparison to the last game. I thought Tictock was pretty towny last game, care to explain this? ...doesn't reall show any of this. First of all the whole question i nthe first place about TT is really stupid and shows no thinking behind it at all. Because TT was fucking mafia in the last game!!!! Trfel thinking TT was town last game doesn't mean shit because Trfel was WRONG and if TT is town this game, there FOR SURE is a difference in his play (regardless of if anyone can notice it or not at that point). Like the whole question feels like a throwaway thing based on no thinking at all. It just.... doesn't make any sense to me that THIS is what Trfel has to say when he comes and posts. Coming in late makes it more likely you make mistakes as mafia, and i think Trfel made on here. Also a smaller point is that yeah, as i said earlier, people who feel the need to tell that they forgot about the game starting (regardless of if it is true or not) are more likely to be mafia. That's a fact. No matter when you start posting there should be no reason for a townie to feel the need to explain why they haven't been posting so far. A scumbuddy doesn't try to "AHAAAAA! GOTCHA" their teammates when they bus. They just make their point and vote them. The bolded bit reads like a townie who is explaining his mindset - not a mafia who pre-meditated a bus. Like I said earlier, the mafia bus accusation against Trfel was "He shat on my townread of TT and his entrance was balls ##Vote", not a dissertation on the Scumminess of Trfel.
like this:
On July 03 2019 00:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i have your words on "Exactly, m!Grack makes no sense" and you're now telling me "I think Grack could play his inactive self d1 as either mafia!Grack or town!Grack"??????????????
On July 03 2019 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
just no
##vote Eversince
This game feels EXACTLY the same.
Its just feels though.
We've left this too late get into a chez/rayn debate. We have to get the kill right.
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It would help if the active players were all on similar schedules, it's just not meant to be.
I have to go to sleep soon.
I'll check in before work tomorrow.
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On July 14 2020 13:08 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not sure if people understand my read on ES, definitely don't understand why some people call it a bad read. My read is based on the fact ES seems (first) to be having an opinion on how Grack plays, then follows the logic further and comes to a conclusion that makes no sense. I can somehow understand this from town perspective still because ES seems to be a player who dumps everything she currently thinks into the thread and possibly can make logical mistakes (reference; the gunsmith game for those who know). That's why i unvoted. I was not sure. But then she did it again with HF. Like she literally said HF is super strong mafia player and then she went on saying if HF is mafia he is just gonna afk and we kill him. That's strike two and noone ever says that as town if the starting point is that HF is ridiculously strong mafia player. If someone has an opinion on someone else's play based on meta they NEVER contradict that opinion straight up as town, i am just not going to believe it.
I am letting Eywa off the hook at least until ES flip because i think ES is mafia, lately Eywa has made sense regardless of if i agree with her or not, and i think bussing would be stupid here, double bussing ridiculously stupid. I don't believe there is any chance they are mafia together and i think ES is scum so there is that.
I had a townread on grack early on because i decided (after his last scumgame) to read him like i read yamato. Grackaroni is quite a low quantity poster. His post early on where he asks kind of a throwaway question on Trfel made me think there is some sort of thought process in his head. I gave him a slight townread for that. When he came back and followed up his stuff he actually DID follow it up and it even made sense. When Grack was mafia he didn't really post anything "bad", in fact he posted all the right things but all that together was some random right things. The bus on Vivax especially threw me off there. There was not really any train of thought seen from his posting, if you get what i mean. rn i think it's different, however i am not fan of Grack's read on ES, especially the reasoning behind his read, because -- just like trfel's -- the reasoning doesn't really make anyone anything, it's a surface level read and easy to make without saying anything wrong, but there is really nothing that should make the opposing player anything. I guess they could be mafia together but i do not want to lynch Grack over ES.
I am not a fan of Trfel at all. I have pretty much no idea what he is doing and what he is trying to achieve. It feels like mafia!disformation-style-of-posting where you say stuff and look like youre thinking about stuff but you don't really say anything or do anything and everyone just ignores you.
Idk if i missed something. I have a friend over at my place so i am trying to read along and i will kick him out at latest 1 hour before deadline to be around. This is the "case" on ES from that other game, every vote before it was a staged argument in the thread. And in this case rayn not only doesn't "nail ES to the fucking floor" the way he did with Trfel in this game, he left himself plenty of outs to vote other people if there was no traction and possiblities for other lynches. It looks VERY different from the case he made in this game, in which he laser targeted a person, left no room for doubt and confidently made his point.
OK I'll vote with you on chez.
I'm not going to be able to get you to vote rayn whatever happens.
All i'll say is if its rayn i'm going to kick and scream postgame.
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On July 14 2020 13:11 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2020 13:08 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 03 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not sure if people understand my read on ES, definitely don't understand why some people call it a bad read. My read is based on the fact ES seems (first) to be having an opinion on how Grack plays, then follows the logic further and comes to a conclusion that makes no sense. I can somehow understand this from town perspective still because ES seems to be a player who dumps everything she currently thinks into the thread and possibly can make logical mistakes (reference; the gunsmith game for those who know). That's why i unvoted. I was not sure. But then she did it again with HF. Like she literally said HF is super strong mafia player and then she went on saying if HF is mafia he is just gonna afk and we kill him. That's strike two and noone ever says that as town if the starting point is that HF is ridiculously strong mafia player. If someone has an opinion on someone else's play based on meta they NEVER contradict that opinion straight up as town, i am just not going to believe it.
I am letting Eywa off the hook at least until ES flip because i think ES is mafia, lately Eywa has made sense regardless of if i agree with her or not, and i think bussing would be stupid here, double bussing ridiculously stupid. I don't believe there is any chance they are mafia together and i think ES is scum so there is that.
I had a townread on grack early on because i decided (after his last scumgame) to read him like i read yamato. Grackaroni is quite a low quantity poster. His post early on where he asks kind of a throwaway question on Trfel made me think there is some sort of thought process in his head. I gave him a slight townread for that. When he came back and followed up his stuff he actually DID follow it up and it even made sense. When Grack was mafia he didn't really post anything "bad", in fact he posted all the right things but all that together was some random right things. The bus on Vivax especially threw me off there. There was not really any train of thought seen from his posting, if you get what i mean. rn i think it's different, however i am not fan of Grack's read on ES, especially the reasoning behind his read, because -- just like trfel's -- the reasoning doesn't really make anyone anything, it's a surface level read and easy to make without saying anything wrong, but there is really nothing that should make the opposing player anything. I guess they could be mafia together but i do not want to lynch Grack over ES.
I am not a fan of Trfel at all. I have pretty much no idea what he is doing and what he is trying to achieve. It feels like mafia!disformation-style-of-posting where you say stuff and look like youre thinking about stuff but you don't really say anything or do anything and everyone just ignores you.
Idk if i missed something. I have a friend over at my place so i am trying to read along and i will kick him out at latest 1 hour before deadline to be around. This is the "case" on ES from that other game, every vote before it was a staged argument in the thread. And in this case rayn not only doesn't "nail ES to the fucking floor" the way he did with Trfel in this game, he left himself plenty of outs to vote other people if there was no traction and possiblities for other lynches. It looks VERY different from the case he made in this game, in which he laser targeted a person, left no room for doubt and confidently made his point. OK I'll vote with you on chez. I'm not going to be able to get you to vote rayn whatever happens. All i'll say is if its rayn i'm going to kick and scream postgame.
Look man rayn's a good player, the ones he targets ALWAYS think they've caught him, but they get the noose instead.
If it's rayn, I just hope we can get him in final 3. That's all I'll say. I promise I won't auto-lynch not-rayn if it's me, but it shouldn't be me.
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In that other game did rayn scream about lynching ES D1 the way he has all game this game?
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DUDE ITS NOT EVEN THE SAME THING
They didn't even lynch ES D1, it was all game and there was back and forth.
These two cases are apples and oranges even if rayn is mafia this game. 
Oh well. I gotta go to bed. We'll figure this out, I know it.
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On July 14 2020 13:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
In that other game did rayn scream about lynching ES D1 the way he has all game this game?
Not exactly he was more subtle but he did mention ES in almost every single post in the last few pages of his filter there when she was dead.
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On July 14 2020 13:21 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2020 13:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
In that other game did rayn scream about lynching ES D1 the way he has all game this game? Not exactly he was more subtle but he did mention ES in almost every single post in the last few pages of his filter there when she was dead.
No I see the similarities you're talking about, but I'm afraid that might be rayn emulating his town play as mafia.
idk I still see the case this game as town, I'm sorry. I'm not shutting the idea out, I'm just not convinced.
I'll look some more tomorrow. Maybe dive deeper into that other game. I need rayn to comment on Chez too, and I need Slam to weigh in more than he has, I'm afraid we're in the endgame now.
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On July 14 2020 13:21 VisceraEyes wrote:DUDE ITS NOT EVEN THE SAME THING They didn't even lynch ES D1, it was all game and there was back and forth. These two cases are apples and oranges even if rayn is mafia this game. Oh well. I gotta go to bed. We'll figure this out, I know it.
I already voted with you its fine. I'm assuming you won't vote for rayn today.
I wish slam would come back. Either way chez has a good % chance of being mafia even if i personally think its slightly more likely to be rayn.
To rayn's credit I haven't found his play particularly frustrating to play against and he hasn't wasted huge amounts of time with extreme arguing and long posts, and those are things i would look for in mafia rayn. Then again he hasn't been in any danger at any point.
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On July 14 2020 13:24 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2020 13:21 VisceraEyes wrote:DUDE ITS NOT EVEN THE SAME THING They didn't even lynch ES D1, it was all game and there was back and forth. These two cases are apples and oranges even if rayn is mafia this game. Oh well. I gotta go to bed. We'll figure this out, I know it. I already voted with you its fine. I'm assuming you won't vote for rayn today. I wish slam would come back. Either way chez has a good % chance of being mafia even if i personally think its slightly more likely to be rayn. To rayn's credit I haven't found his play particularly frustrating to play against and he hasn't wasted huge amounts of time with extreme arguing and long posts, and those are things i would look for in mafia rayn. Then again he hasn't been in any danger at any point.
This is a very good and salient point I didn't think of from lack of playing with him recently, but you're absolutely right about this. You're also right that he hasn't been in danger and has for the most part gotten what he wants and so has had no need. But well observed.
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Another thing is chezinu didn't even feel the need to make a video today, just 'lol' and a vote. Very much a case of 'I don't need to even bother trying any more'. Whether that's coming from a town place or a mafia place I dont' know chezinu well enough to judge, but its probably relevant to people who do.
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LUCCA GALLO RICCI HERE!!!!
LEAVE FISCHER ALONE!!!!!
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HE WASN"T FALTTERING ME ALL GAME!!!! NOOO!!! NO!!!!! NOO!!!!! !
FISCHER LOVES ME!!!!!
TOMMY!!! SAY IT AINT SO!!!! SAY IT WASNT FLATTERY!!!
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Jock mafia, gg
Jock not mafia, VE town
Slam vs Rayn
I don't want Fischer to die.. Rayn knows this... WHY!!??!?! WHY RAYN!!!! WHY!!!!
They want to kill me because they know I won't vote to kill my best pal Fischer...
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On July 14 2020 14:51 Chezinu wrote:
Jock mafia, gg
Jock not mafia, VE town
Slam vs Rayn
I don't want Fischer to die.. Rayn knows this... WHY!!??!?! WHY RAYN!!!! WHY!!!!
They want to kill me because they know I won't vote to kill my best pal Fischer...
Slam is town here.
Slam wouldn't 1v1 me as mafia.
its you or rayn.
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The eyes that see... You are town in my eyes...
You said yourself it was not rayn. If he had any other role... I would not care as much... but he is FISCHER!!!!
I don't want to believe something was fishy during lunch!! Especially with the flattery.... We trained together!!!!
I was looking at Carl and the masked woman... but if the eyes that see is true... there is only one possibility unless my eyes deceived me.. unless both our hearts deceived us..
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On July 14 2020 14:54 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2020 14:51 Chezinu wrote:
Jock mafia, gg
Jock not mafia, VE town
Slam vs Rayn
I don't want Fischer to die.. Rayn knows this... WHY!!??!?! WHY RAYN!!!! WHY!!!!
They want to kill me because they know I won't vote to kill my best pal Fischer... Slam is town here. Slam wouldn't 1v1 me as mafia. its you or rayn.
I thought you conceded... but you are here to play mind games with us!?!? To stop my celebration video in mid production!?!? Sometimes you got to charge the cell phone to shoot videos..
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