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raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think the correct question is do i think she would do something like that as mafia and is it more likely she would, than as town? I am not completely certain but i am leaning on mafia side here. Because once again:
- i agree with jeekaka's assessment that cake is not mafia with jock, i think its almost impossible. But if she is mafia and not with jock her defense that is like "around the topic" suddenly makes sense because she isnt even lying (the first thing she started with was the "why would i townread my mafia partner bla bla"). I know jeekaka at least semi-jokingly mulled over the idea but if cake genuinely townreads jock why doesnt she just state why she does so instead of this overly defensive "why would i" bs?? Thats what i would do if i took jeekakas post seriously like cake seemed to.
- then there is the "why are you calling out me and not this other dude" thing. Again that's talking around the issue. If you did something you get called out for, you address the issue and clear it, and not flush it off by trying to talk about someone else. I dont really know why any townie would do that.
Thanks. I would also say that in most cases this is scum behavior, but I'm not sure about Cake. When we have played resistance she seems like player who does play with emotion. Like she would take accusations very seriously etc. I would be interested what others think, is this something Cake would do more likely as scum?
CopCake wrote:
So hey Zey, do you think tfrl is town or not?
Not.
CopCake wrote:
Tfrl read. And I just feel it, it feels scummy how he did it. My read can change? yes. I am not locking. My most locked read is Jock.
Wait. Your read about Tfrel has changed? I tried to read your post again but still I don't notice that. Can you tell how and why your opinion has changed?
raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +Zey wrote:
Cake's point about Trfel is interesting. I would also be interested to hear why did he asked about Vivax post about akwardnes but didn't ask about rolling mafia thing.
Am i missing something? What is this point?
I mean about this:
On June 02 2020 14:58 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2020 14:31 Vivax wrote:On June 02 2020 10:58 Tictock wrote:
Guess I shouldn't feel bad about forgetting.
Is this the current pace of TL mafia? Awkward post Can I ask why you find this post awkward? I don't really feel it's remarkable at all, maybe even ever so slightly townish because mafia would have little incentive to post given the lack of activity. Likely falling asleep soon.
He picks up Vivaxs "Awkward post" but not Vivaxs post where he said he rolled mafia. I would like to know why that wasn't interesting enough to him to be picked up.
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On June 03 2020 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:I dont think she has but please do tell.
On June 03 2020 00:26 Zey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2020 23:57 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 02 2020 23:50 Zey wrote:On June 02 2020 23:31 jeekaka wrote:
I can actually see the world where Copcake is town and Scum!Trfel sees Cake's townread of Jock as an easy thing to pick up. I don't think that Trfel's question about Cake's townread was scummy. To me it just looks somebody who wants people to talk more that game would really start. It would be different if he would have said that Cake is scummy because of that. But I'm still wondering why he said that rayn's first post was scummiest entrance. I mean I don't see how it would be scummiest and I don't see how Trfel can believe that he would get any read about rayn with something like that. So what do you think Trfel's motives could be? He wants to look like he is being active and chasing scums or he is just too excited about game and want's to do something. I'm leaning more to the first one because he also just ignored Vivax's rolling mafia post what I would say more intresting post than rayn's hi. To me it seems like he is picking somethings up without any thinking whether answers and/or reactions even can give anything.
Seems like she's calling trfel town while claiming that he's not looking in the right place for scum, but if this was how i was thinking i would be suspicious that trfel ignores vivax's interesting post in favour of SRing you for 'hi!' and I'd probably be at least a little bit curious as to why. There's no attempt to engage with trfel. The explanation that trfel was just being active and chasing scum doesn't make sense if trfel is ignoring the interesting stuff in the thread.
Obviously trfel was trolling but i'm trying to see it from zey's POV.
She's assigning town motives to trfel, while also saying he's missing things (undermining) and not attempting to engage him about it.
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I am pretty sure Zey has misinterpreted that one post. Vivax wasnt saying he rolled mafia.
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Although i get your point jock.
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Yeah that actually makes jock town i think. That's very good.
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Wait what are you saying you think Trfel is, Zey?
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Meanwhile I'm also interested of hearing more of Vivax's townreads.
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Jock wrote:
Seems like she's calling trfel town while claiming that he's not looking in the right place for scum, but if this was how i was thinking i would be suspicious that trfel ignores vivax's interesting post in favour of SRing you for 'hi!' and I'd probably be at least a little bit curious as to why.
I'm not thinking that he is ignoring Vivax if you was saying that. He asked why Vivax thought someones post was awkward so I don't think he's ignoring Vivax.
Jock wrote:
The explanation that trfel was just being active and chasing scum doesn't make sense if trfel is ignoring the interesting stuff in the thread.
Yeah, but it is only town reason I can think of and you asked motives (not motive) so I thought you wanted to hear his motive as scum and town.
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raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am pretty sure Zey has misinterpreted that one post. Vivax wasnt saying he rolled mafia.
Wasn't he? I mean he was drunk or something and wrote wrong but I thought he said that he rolled mafia.
raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait what are you saying you think Trfel is, Zey?
Scum.
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On June 03 2020 05:18 Zey wrote:Show nested quote +Jock wrote:
Seems like she's calling trfel town while claiming that he's not looking in the right place for scum, but if this was how i was thinking i would be suspicious that trfel ignores vivax's interesting post in favour of SRing you for 'hi!' and I'd probably be at least a little bit curious as to why. I'm not thinking that he is ignoring Vivax if you was saying that. He asked why Vivax thought someones post was awkward so I don't think he's ignoring Vivax. Show nested quote +Jock wrote:
The explanation that trfel was just being active and chasing scum doesn't make sense if trfel is ignoring the interesting stuff in the thread. Yeah, but it is only town reason I can think of and you asked motives (not motive) so I thought you wanted to hear his motive as scum and town.
So you made something up so you could tell me what you thought i wanted to hear?
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On June 03 2020 02:37 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2020 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 02 2020 22:33 Zey wrote:Hi everyone!  On June 02 2020 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
- used "that would be too scummy to be scum" defense, guess what, people who do scummy things are usually scum
- used "why are you looking at my scummy thing and not vivax' scummy thing??" defense. Who cares what vivax did if we are talking about what you did? Do you think this is something that Cake wouldn't do as town? I think the correct question is do i think she would do something like that as mafia and is it more likely she would, than as town? I am not completely certain but i am leaning on mafia side here. Because once again: - i agree with jeekaka's assessment that cake is not mafia with jock, i think its almost impossible. But if she is mafia and not with jock her defense that is like "around the topic" suddenly makes sense because she isnt even lying (the first thing she started with was the "why would i townread my mafia partner bla bla"). I know jeekaka at least semi-jokingly mulled over the idea but if cake genuinely townreads jock why doesnt she just state why she does so instead of this overly defensive "why would i" bs?? Thats what i would do if i took jeekakas post seriously like cake seemed to. - then there is the "why are you calling out me and not this other dude" thing. Again that's talking around the issue. If you did something you get called out for, you address the issue and clear it, and not flush it off by trying to talk about someone else. I dont really know why any townie would do that. Now i am not 100% certain of my read here and i dont think i am getting more educated on the matter based on what cake says, ehich is why i followed up on it with something else. We'll see later how that pans out. Other things i dont like so far is Vivax dodging my question at least twice and shockeyy playing the dumb game with the playerlist when it has already been explained before the game start. I dont really have issues with other people so far. I am so mafia it hurts.
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Yeah okay.
And no, vivax wasnt saying he rolled scum. He was referring to the last game where he was scum and i completely misread him as he normally rolls over and dies as mafia but there he actually played a shit strong mafia game.
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Jock i think youre wrong here tbh.
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On June 03 2020 05:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Jock i think youre wrong here tbh.
Noted 
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Rayn I read you town from tone and general inquisitiveness.
Not something I'm feeling like wrapping in more complex words.
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Why is Zey removing the time stamps? That seems scummy as hell to try and paint a narrative that can be falsified later in the game
:O
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You do you Zey, just saying on my end it looks scummy, you don't have to change anything about it, doesn't mean I'm calling you mafia (just yet ;D)
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I am gonna tell you a story that has nothing to do with this game except that it does:
+ Show Spoiler +when i started playing here i think around 2010, i was in a big game and i was really pumped to find mafia. I get to even work with Palmar (who is my hero from what he said to me and other people that game ) and i think i did well. Except that i was not that good at english at the time and spelled a specific word wrongly. After i got killed, by the mafia, because me the newbie was a fucking threat on D4, a "specific figure of TL mafia at that time" came to PM me that i got killed "because i couldnt even spell a word" as he was mad at his own terrible performance in that said game. What was i supposed to do at that point? Especially when he was helping to mod the game after his own death. Me the newbie, I went and ruined another game because for anyone who knows me and my wrath that's what i do. kitaman still has me in his top 10 "game ruiners" without any knowledge of what actually happened (other than that i exploited his mafia/mafia chat in that game as a fucking newbie and i am PROUD OF IT!! )
So i had to try really hard to get Zey to play this game because she isnt that experienced in english. I am not asking to cut her leeway for reads but cut her leeway for language. The jock argument (trfel) thing i see rn is language. That's what i am talking about. I dont want anyone to go through something i did here.
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i never told anyone that, except for kitaman when he blacklisted me
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