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On June 04 2020 05:09 Jockmcplop wrote: Do you think vivax would be more careful as mafia? I mean this is what they would call 'openwolfing' isn't it? That's what I thought copcake was getting at before but she doesn't seem to think so. I dont understand. Is this like a "why would he do that as mafia" thing? Because i have fucked up like five lynches last couple of games thinking that obvious mafia things arent mafia. And i am not going to do that again. | ||
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On June 04 2020 05:55 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm considering switching to copcake right now. Reasons: The voting late on which looks like self preservation, the threat to switch to trfel which i think comes from a mafia place (ensuring 3 votes on trfel because i was getting cold feet about the lynch), the early townread on me followed by reassuring me into keeping my vote on vivax. It all seems very convenient. Can you explain this to me as i am 5, because: - self preservation, even if it's that, doesnt make anyone anything because townies too probably think someone else is a better lynch than them,right? -threat to switch to trfel and her not switching only ever makes copcake mafia if trfel is mafia too So wtf jock???? | ||
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What was shockeyy supposed to do? He already had three scumreads which none of was vivax. Zey wasnt around(?) Jeekaka fell asleep. | ||
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Which is why the last question. So your explanation is just that you fucked up? | ||
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You explicitly asked me about why i scumread Vivax. Why didnt you have any follow up after my answer? I mean you must think that my case is either right or wrong or bad enough for me to be mafia. You followed the rest of the day with the thought of Vivax still not being mafia, why didnt you try to convince me voting either trfel or tictock since you vlearly thought my case is not good? | ||
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Lets see what happens | ||
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First thing is this: On June 04 2020 15:53 Trfel wrote: Because I didn't see any reason to call Vivax mafia? I don't really get raynpelikoneet's case on Vivax. I mean, it makes sense and is logical, but I don't think it fits mafia motivation. (1) Why would mafia be so uncooperative and lie about meta, what does it gain them? (1) That was not the whole point. I hate when people take one small part of the case and (intentionally) fail to see the big picture. The big picture here is the following; I don't actually think someone falsely using meta is indeed scummy because people misremember things, and truth to be told Cake hasn't played that much here. But when i went and read the games they had played together it became apparent that Vivax is not telling the truth. You can all go and confirm what i said if you want to, here is the only game Vivax and Cake have been town in together on this forum. Whether Vivax was not telling the truth intentionally or not, the whole point regarding that stands. When you have based your scumread on false premises, and someone comes and debunks every argument for your scumread (which is literally what happened here), If you are town you start re-evaluating because your point doesn't actually hold water and you should know it. Vivax never does that. Trfel never acknowledges this fact (which is literally the point of my argument regarding this), and i don't like he's only arguing "half" of the argument because he can make up a "townie explanation" for part of it. Hope you get what i mean. On June 04 2020 16:13 Trfel wrote: I could see raynpelikoneet being mafia too. Two main reasons. (2) Firstly, his focus doesn't seem to match his scumreads. He posts a long post on why CopCake is suspicious and then votes for Vivax over something small, and then posts a mini case on me, and then still votes for Vivax. And second, he doesn't feel very invested. He's been here and calling things out and it's logical and makes sense but he can do that as mafia, easily. But it doesn't feel like he really cares about what he's saying. (3) He didn't clearly and concisely say why he thought Vivax was mafia until requested to, where if he really wanted Vivax lynched he could post a case on his own accord and actually push for that lynch. Before the flip raynpelikoneet didn't seem to care, and (4) after he didn't seem to care either, only talking about Jockmcplop and not any of his other scumreads. I'm trying to not focus too hard on deadline stuff because apparently he needed to sleep but despite that he feels a bit disconnected and slightly apathetic to the game, despite being very present. (2) That is just simply untrue. You can go to my filter and see that i was never convinced that Cake was mafia. The reason i voted for Vivax originally was because he wouldn't give me an answer to my concern. When i pushed for the answer i got a mafia answer. I had no reason to switch my vote. I don't think i also had no reason to NOT question other things i found suspicious since there was still a lot of time left in the day (i mean if i think Vivax is mafia for having a bs townread on me why should i do nothing else than yelling he is mafia???). Then Trfel made his super bad backpedal from Cake read and i called it out. Then Vivax made his bs meta read and i called it out and added it to my scumread on him. Another thing here. I tend to encourage people to think with their own brain. Just because i didn't write a big case on Vivax right after i had "all the pieces" doesn't mean i didn't care about my scumread (or the game or whatever Trfel is saying). If you carefully read my filter you can very easily tell why i scumread Vivax even without the case. Like it is super obvious or at least should be. In addition to that, i literally had no time between the post where i ended my "chat" with Vivax and when i answered Zey about why am i voting for Vivax. I can sure post my "schedule" for my wednesday if anyone is concerned and had you not lynched Cake she could even confirm i am not lying if anyone is STILL concerned.... (3) See above. (4) I am not sure what i was supposed to question? Can someone tell me why i should question my scumreads Vivax/Trfel on why they voted for someone else than Vivax/Trfel? Because for me the answer is apparent lol. Jock's vote change in the end was suspect to me. Because it made no sense from town pov. So that's why i questioned it. What else was i supposed to question? Smells like terrible argument with no thinking behind it. So there is that, ball's in your court now Trfel. | ||
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