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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 03 2020 19:47 GMT
#325
Trfel could essily be mafia too. I understand the case(s) on shockeyy i just am not sure if it makes him mafia or not, and because i have actual scumreads i am not willing to vote for him. I dont really have reasons to suspect anyone else.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 03 2020 19:49 GMT
#327
I dont care if he is disengaged or lazy or whatever. I just think he let go of the cake scumread for a reason he shouldnt as town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 03 2020 20:22 GMT
#339
On June 04 2020 05:09 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2020 04:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 04 2020 02:27 Zey wrote:

I don’t follow why rayn voted Vivax? Can you please explain why he’s scum?

Because he townread me based on me posting "hi", "no" and saying why i joined this game. First time i asked him why he townreads me he answered "yes i think youre town" which is basically dodging the question, and the second time he said because of tone and inquisitiveness. I sure as hell dont believe you can read town!tone from two one liners and a comment about pre-game and there is 100% nothing inquisitive in those posts. So basically i am calling bs on that read.

After that he scumread cake for reasons he should actually be townreading her for. Like Vivax said Cake as town sgould approach the read on vivax EXACTLY as cake is ACTUALLY approaching it at the time. After i question that he changes the story into that cake should be more suspicious of vivax because meta. But that's entirely bs because i checked all the games cake has played here and vivax and cake have both been town in the same game only once and Cake never calls vivax mafia in that game.

For both of those things its also notable that i had to ask multiple times for answers before getting them and it feels like very mafia-esque, like hes just waiting for me to find something else to pursue (like i fucking did in the last game and mafia escaped the lynches because i couldnt hold on to my shit). Same thing also with the fact that when i clearly prove his statements wrong he isnt changing his mind, or trying to explain it better (in case he actually believes in what he says and/or if i am missing something).

So yeah that's pretty much it.


Do you think vivax would be more careful as mafia? I mean this is what they would call 'openwolfing' isn't it?

That's what I thought copcake was getting at before but she doesn't seem to think so.

I dont understand. Is this like a "why would he do that as mafia" thing? Because i have fucked up like five lynches last couple of games thinking that obvious mafia things arent mafia. And i am not going to do that again.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 03 2020 20:28 GMT
#343
Well inam dead tired so thats my 2c for today.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 04 2020 03:27 GMT
#379
Jock wtf?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 04 2020 03:43 GMT
#381
On June 04 2020 05:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
I'm considering switching to copcake right now.
Reasons:
The voting late on which looks like self preservation, the threat to switch to trfel which i think comes from a mafia place (ensuring 3 votes on trfel because i was getting cold feet about the lynch), the early townread on me followed by reassuring me into keeping my vote on vivax. It all seems very convenient.

Can you explain this to me as i am 5, because:
- self preservation, even if it's that, doesnt make anyone anything because townies too probably think someone else is a better lynch than them,right?
-threat to switch to trfel and her not switching only ever makes copcake mafia if trfel is mafia too

So wtf jock????
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 04 2020 06:24 GMT
#396
Jeekaka
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 04 2020 07:14 GMT
#404
But why would shockeyy be orrational and do things that make people call him mafia if he is mafia, trfel?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 04 2020 07:27 GMT
#406
That was supposed to be sarcasm because tou just basically said why would vivax do mafia things if he is mafia...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 04 2020 11:44 GMT
#408
Why were you losing interest in Vivax lynch?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 04 2020 12:10 GMT
#410
Trfel was fighting against it?
What was shockeyy supposed to do? He already had three scumreads which none of was vivax.
Zey wasnt around(?)
Jeekaka fell asleep.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 04 2020 12:13 GMT
#411
Actually i will correct myself. Shockeyy was also fighting it. Not directly yelling dont lynch vivax but still.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 04 2020 12:19 GMT
#414
You realise that there is 2 mafia in this game? If vivax and trfel are mafia (which is something at least i find highly possible) then why should anyone else be wary of lynching into vivax/trfel from town pov??
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 04 2020 12:19 GMT
#415
Like you even thought yourself trfel has a high chance pf veing mafia...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 04 2020 12:25 GMT
#417
I am kot trying to convince you of you being wrong. There is nothing scummy in being wrong in general because people are wrong all the time in this game. I am trying to figure out your motives because it doesnt add up to me.

Which is why the last question. So your explanation is just that you fucked up?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 04 2020 12:34 GMT
#419
Zey i have a question for you:
You explicitly asked me about why i scumread Vivax. Why didnt you have any follow up after my answer? I mean you must think that my case is either right or wrong or bad enough for me to be mafia. You followed the rest of the day with the thought of Vivax still not being mafia, why didnt you try to convince me voting either trfel or tictock since you vlearly thought my case is not good?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 04 2020 12:36 GMT
#420
Alright jock i will accept that for now. I dont feel like i am getting much of help this game so i am basically just gonna yolo and accept that.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 05 2020 12:34 GMT
#457
##vote Vivax
Lets see what happens
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 05 2020 13:10 GMT
#459
I am gonna answer Trfel though. Obviously i dont think his case has any merit but i wanna see what he does after.
First thing is this:
On June 04 2020 15:53 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2020 15:51 jeekaka wrote:
On June 04 2020 15:47 Trfel wrote:
On June 04 2020 15:00 jeekaka wrote:
Vote count when you arrive:

Vivax (3): Jockmcplop, raynpelikoneet, CopCake
Trfel (2): Zey, Jeekaka
CopCake (2): Vivax, ShoCkeyy
ShocCkey (1): TicTock

So, you dont think Vivax is town. You and cake are both next in two votes, and you vote Cake soon after, so you definitely don't think she's town.

On June 04 2020 05:42 Trfel wrote:
Why are we lynching people who are town?



So what on earth does this mean then?
I was half-joking, and did kinda think CopCake was town (though my mind quickly changed). I sometimes assume people are town until there is evidence to the contrary, as was the case here (after which I got to business). The post served its purpose of attracting attention and not lynching Vivax, though.


Which is good thing because..?
Because I didn't see any reason to call Vivax mafia? I don't really get raynpelikoneet's case on Vivax. I mean, it makes sense and is logical, but I don't think it fits mafia motivation. (1) Why would mafia be so uncooperative and lie about meta, what does it gain them?

(1) That was not the whole point. I hate when people take one small part of the case and (intentionally) fail to see the big picture. The big picture here is the following; I don't actually think someone falsely using meta is indeed scummy because people misremember things, and truth to be told Cake hasn't played that much here. But when i went and read the games they had played together it became apparent that Vivax is not telling the truth. You can all go and confirm what i said if you want to, here is the only game Vivax and Cake have been town in together on this forum. Whether Vivax was not telling the truth intentionally or not, the whole point regarding that stands. When you have based your scumread on false premises, and someone comes and debunks every argument for your scumread (which is literally what happened here), If you are town you start re-evaluating because your point doesn't actually hold water and you should know it. Vivax never does that. Trfel never acknowledges this fact (which is literally the point of my argument regarding this), and i don't like he's only arguing "half" of the argument because he can make up a "townie explanation" for part of it. Hope you get what i mean.

On June 04 2020 16:13 Trfel wrote:
I could see raynpelikoneet being mafia too. Two main reasons. (2) Firstly, his focus doesn't seem to match his scumreads. He posts a long post on why CopCake is suspicious and then votes for Vivax over something small, and then posts a mini case on me, and then still votes for Vivax.

And second, he doesn't feel very invested. He's been here and calling things out and it's logical and makes sense but he can do that as mafia, easily. But it doesn't feel like he really cares about what he's saying. (3) He didn't clearly and concisely say why he thought Vivax was mafia until requested to, where if he really wanted Vivax lynched he could post a case on his own accord and actually push for that lynch. Before the flip raynpelikoneet didn't seem to care, and (4) after he didn't seem to care either, only talking about Jockmcplop and not any of his other scumreads. I'm trying to not focus too hard on deadline stuff because apparently he needed to sleep but despite that he feels a bit disconnected and slightly apathetic to the game, despite being very present.

(2) That is just simply untrue. You can go to my filter and see that i was never convinced that Cake was mafia. The reason i voted for Vivax originally was because he wouldn't give me an answer to my concern. When i pushed for the answer i got a mafia answer. I had no reason to switch my vote. I don't think i also had no reason to NOT question other things i found suspicious since there was still a lot of time left in the day (i mean if i think Vivax is mafia for having a bs townread on me why should i do nothing else than yelling he is mafia???). Then Trfel made his super bad backpedal from Cake read and i called it out. Then Vivax made his bs meta read and i called it out and added it to my scumread on him.

Another thing here. I tend to encourage people to think with their own brain. Just because i didn't write a big case on Vivax right after i had "all the pieces" doesn't mean i didn't care about my scumread (or the game or whatever Trfel is saying). If you carefully read my filter you can very easily tell why i scumread Vivax even without the case. Like it is super obvious or at least should be. In addition to that, i literally had no time between the post where i ended my "chat" with Vivax and when i answered Zey about why am i voting for Vivax. I can sure post my "schedule" for my wednesday if anyone is concerned and had you not lynched Cake she could even confirm i am not lying if anyone is STILL concerned....

(3) See above.

(4) I am not sure what i was supposed to question? Can someone tell me why i should question my scumreads Vivax/Trfel on why they voted for someone else than Vivax/Trfel? Because for me the answer is apparent lol. Jock's vote change in the end was suspect to me. Because it made no sense from town pov. So that's why i questioned it. What else was i supposed to question? Smells like terrible argument with no thinking behind it.

So there is that, ball's in your court now Trfel.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 05 2020 13:22 GMT
#461
Oh i needed to add one thing. I never even realised Cake was up for lynch. I dont remember if the votes happened before or after i had to go to bed but i was under impression we are lynching Vivax or Trfel (since noone really wanted to actually lynch shockeyy).
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