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Seems like rocket man died after botched heart surgery.
Reports say he was long USO before needing it.
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I'm short Netflix Amazon and Tesla right now, wish me luck. Jpowell should be mafia btw.
@ Fefe
When you are poor, you can treat it as a casino where you make super risky bets with little money.
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On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before?
He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player.
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On April 29 2020 04:35 Alakaslam wrote:
Meanwhile my family is almost entirely built on Oil money from a Utah well.
Yeeaaaaahhhhhhhh! We are in paydir-S H I T
Are you a mormon?
Hopefully the oil situation resolves itself when activity picks up and more fuel is consumed.
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On April 29 2020 04:54 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 04:53 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 04:35 Alakaslam wrote:
Meanwhile my family is almost entirely built on Oil money from a Utah well.
Yeeaaaaahhhhhhhh! We are in paydir-S H I T Are you a mormon? Hopefully the oil situation resolves itself when activity picks up and more fuel is consumed. Long $TSLA
There's a strong correlation between their bond price and stock price.
That tells me it needs to borrow more to go higher.
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On April 29 2020 05:02 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player. I know he's played a bunch before, I've seen him around a bit before (forget where). The reason I ask is that he said he will be trying to make some meta reads, I'm curious if that's going to be based on previous game experience or if he intends on filter diving past games of unfamiliar players or what.
I'm not a fan of that approach. Especially after not playing for so long.
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On April 29 2020 05:16 GlowingBear wrote:
OHAI!
I'm town
Seems legit.
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You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days?
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Well I'm going to bed soon, need to visit someone in a hospital tomorrow. Nothing too grave, but need to be up early.
Hope to find some more content when I wake up, but I won't complain if you talk about economy here and there.
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On April 29 2020 05:30 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:20 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:16 GlowingBear wrote:
OHAI!
I'm town Seems legit. How?
It was irony.
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On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today  I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about?
Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post.
Maybe a bit of stimulation will help.
##Vote: FF
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So after not being able to sleep through the night, today is the day a meteor apparently misses earth once again.
I have set up a little shrine sacrificing some stale mozzarella and pray to my favourite deity that it hits us.
On April 29 2020 11:37 Chezinu wrote:
I am unable to think of any critical, complex human activity that could be safely reduced to a simple summary equation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman_equation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NMDA_receptor
On April 29 2020 11:59 Grackaroni wrote:
Hi guys. I was hoping to get some investing advice.
My last investment didn't go so good...
Lucca Gallo olive oil. Alternatively learn to grow tobacco and distill vodka from potatoes. I am.
Shitposting aside:
I think Kurumi and GB are reading too much into the Trfel 'future cop out' thing, but in a good way. Game still kinda looks like my mozzarella, and that helped.
Fefe why are you so unpassionate?
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On April 29 2020 13:28 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hi Trfel can we be friends this game? Hopefully, that's kinda on you though  On April 29 2020 07:26 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 06:59 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 05:20 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? The only people I believe I have not played with are Shockeyy, Jockmcplop and Grackaroni. I believe we have played together (maybe even on a scum team?), I have played lots with rayn, Vivax, Koshi, Chezinu and probably Alakaslam could go into that category as well. So Fecalfeast, Trfel (you) and GlowingBear are people I should've played already but my meta judgement would be seriously impractical here. On April 29 2020 05:04 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:02 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player. I know he's played a bunch before, I've seen him around a bit before (forget where). The reason I ask is that he said he will be trying to make some meta reads, I'm curious if that's going to be based on previous game experience or if he intends on filter diving past games of unfamiliar players or what. I'm not a fan of that approach. Especially after not playing for so long. I agree Vivax! Actually, if I were in a self-deprecating mood I'd probably state outright that I don't feel meta-competent right now. Fair enough, I didn't realize it was that many players. Thanks for explaining! So why were you asking me about how I'm going to play this game, exactly? Because your post didn't make sense to me. Claiming you planned on doing a lot of meta reads doesn't make sense if you're unfamiliar with many/most of the players in the game, which I thought you were. Therefore, I was asking to try and learn more about what you meant by that. It makes more sense now that you said you were just faking confidence. It just feels a bit weird for me for town to come into the thread right at the start of day 1 and say "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy," especially if they don't know everyone. But it makes more sense now that you've clarified it. On April 29 2020 09:45 Alakaslam wrote:On April 29 2020 04:47 Trfel wrote:
Alakaslam, I assume by cop-outs you mean excuses?
And if so, what (if anything) do you make of them? Meh, NAI but also unnecessary. Just kinda bad. I cant always be here, I don’t have to go on and on about my daily teaching schedule or coronavirus actually making me busier and whatnot. I just show up when I can. Because I’m town, and therefore dont give a shit what people think. Alakaslam, do you really care what people think of you when you're mafia? On April 29 2020 10:32 GlowingBear wrote:On April 29 2020 08:10 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 29 2020 07:48 Kurumi wrote:
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-asked me how I'm going to play and fished for whether I checked out the player roster for past games and meta
-now questions GlowingBear about Vivax which is first "OK" thing.
[...] See these are not "only asking questions" things. Regardless of that, i really liked his thought process on your "meta shenanigans" post. I am waiting to see what kind of meta reads you will cook up. You haven't played in what... three years? I also heavily dislike your approach towards me, because you seem to be thinking Trfel is not doing anything but asking useless questions, and i am not (before this) giving you pretty much anything on that front except for support on him for "no apparent reason". Why are you talking to me like there is nothing wrong in my behavior? Fishing for how I'm committed to the game is not something I'm going to write up as "Town" in my book. Especially when someone declares that they're going to be less than committed. And as I've stated already in agreement to Vivax, me going for meta reads might not be the best course of action. I am talking to you "like there is nothing wrong in your behaviour" because it is still early in the game and you might be going off one thing, like you've admitted. I also read your first post after "hi" as combative and wanted to know whether it is light-hearted or not, but you didn't acknowledge me asking about it. Besides, bringing more information into the thread is never wrong, especially when we establish connections people have to each other based on their reactions and interactions. On April 29 2020 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
To be more clear; Is it normal for a guy who is mafia to say "hey i am gonna lurk and only be around mostly at time X", then question people and follow that up with ANYTHING?
Now i am not saying this CANT be mafia, but like... I think i tried slowwwwwwly try to get Kurumi off that thing in case he genuinely thought that was mafia behavior (in general i mean). I guess no luck, and i think that smells. Oh come on Ray, what kind of reasoning is this? If anything, we should be concerned that someone that has shown less interest in the game changes their behaviour so fast. If that's the whole picture, that is. Although I agree with you about Trfel's opening, it will only be proven if he in fact acts lazy and uses his opening as a cop-out. If he is mafia, he could be using that excuse right out of the bat and simply not play. Trfel usually asks lots of questions as town, forcing people to contribute to the thread. That's townie from him. But I'll let him explain himself. Actually, @Trfel, one question: why do you believe you'll be lazy in this game? Are you uninterested? I'm slightly demotivated/a little tired of mafia, yes. I wouldn't have played if there was another person who signed up for the 12th slot. I was serious about being just as happy to not play as to play. However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious. So you plan to not be lazy?  Also, what do you think of the reactions so far? I dunno. You get what you get. Honestly I'm kinda confused, I'm just in a place where I'm trying to get more information and hoping something comes of it. Lemme reread the thread and see. I'll be around for a bit if anyone wants to talk.
I'll bite.
Assume I wanted to vote for rayn right now, what do you think would be the reason?
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On April 29 2020 13:47 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 13:41 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 13:28 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hi Trfel can we be friends this game? Hopefully, that's kinda on you though On April 29 2020 07:26 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 06:59 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 05:20 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? The only people I believe I have not played with are Shockeyy, Jockmcplop and Grackaroni. I believe we have played together (maybe even on a scum team?), I have played lots with rayn, Vivax, Koshi, Chezinu and probably Alakaslam could go into that category as well. So Fecalfeast, Trfel (you) and GlowingBear are people I should've played already but my meta judgement would be seriously impractical here. On April 29 2020 05:04 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:02 Trfel wrote:
[quote]I know he's played a bunch before, I've seen him around a bit before (forget where).
The reason I ask is that he said he will be trying to make some meta reads, I'm curious if that's going to be based on previous game experience or if he intends on filter diving past games of unfamiliar players or what. I'm not a fan of that approach. Especially after not playing for so long. I agree Vivax! Actually, if I were in a self-deprecating mood I'd probably state outright that I don't feel meta-competent right now. Fair enough, I didn't realize it was that many players. Thanks for explaining! So why were you asking me about how I'm going to play this game, exactly? Because your post didn't make sense to me. Claiming you planned on doing a lot of meta reads doesn't make sense if you're unfamiliar with many/most of the players in the game, which I thought you were. Therefore, I was asking to try and learn more about what you meant by that. It makes more sense now that you said you were just faking confidence. It just feels a bit weird for me for town to come into the thread right at the start of day 1 and say "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy," especially if they don't know everyone. But it makes more sense now that you've clarified it. On April 29 2020 09:45 Alakaslam wrote:On April 29 2020 04:47 Trfel wrote:
Alakaslam, I assume by cop-outs you mean excuses?
And if so, what (if anything) do you make of them? Meh, NAI but also unnecessary. Just kinda bad. I cant always be here, I don’t have to go on and on about my daily teaching schedule or coronavirus actually making me busier and whatnot. I just show up when I can. Because I’m town, and therefore dont give a shit what people think. Alakaslam, do you really care what people think of you when you're mafia? On April 29 2020 10:32 GlowingBear wrote:On April 29 2020 08:10 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 29 2020 07:48 Kurumi wrote:
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-asked me how I'm going to play and fished for whether I checked out the player roster for past games and meta
-now questions GlowingBear about Vivax which is first "OK" thing.
[...] See these are not "only asking questions" things. Regardless of that, i really liked his thought process on your "meta shenanigans" post. I am waiting to see what kind of meta reads you will cook up. You haven't played in what... three years? I also heavily dislike your approach towards me, because you seem to be thinking Trfel is not doing anything but asking useless questions, and i am not (before this) giving you pretty much anything on that front except for support on him for "no apparent reason". Why are you talking to me like there is nothing wrong in my behavior? Fishing for how I'm committed to the game is not something I'm going to write up as "Town" in my book. Especially when someone declares that they're going to be less than committed. And as I've stated already in agreement to Vivax, me going for meta reads might not be the best course of action. I am talking to you "like there is nothing wrong in your behaviour" because it is still early in the game and you might be going off one thing, like you've admitted. I also read your first post after "hi" as combative and wanted to know whether it is light-hearted or not, but you didn't acknowledge me asking about it. Besides, bringing more information into the thread is never wrong, especially when we establish connections people have to each other based on their reactions and interactions. On April 29 2020 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
To be more clear; Is it normal for a guy who is mafia to say "hey i am gonna lurk and only be around mostly at time X", then question people and follow that up with ANYTHING?
Now i am not saying this CANT be mafia, but like... I think i tried slowwwwwwly try to get Kurumi off that thing in case he genuinely thought that was mafia behavior (in general i mean). I guess no luck, and i think that smells. Oh come on Ray, what kind of reasoning is this? If anything, we should be concerned that someone that has shown less interest in the game changes their behaviour so fast. If that's the whole picture, that is. Although I agree with you about Trfel's opening, it will only be proven if he in fact acts lazy and uses his opening as a cop-out. If he is mafia, he could be using that excuse right out of the bat and simply not play. Trfel usually asks lots of questions as town, forcing people to contribute to the thread. That's townie from him. But I'll let him explain himself. Actually, @Trfel, one question: why do you believe you'll be lazy in this game? Are you uninterested? I'm slightly demotivated/a little tired of mafia, yes. I wouldn't have played if there was another person who signed up for the 12th slot. I was serious about being just as happy to not play as to play. However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious. So you plan to not be lazy? Also, what do you think of the reactions so far? I dunno. You get what you get. Honestly I'm kinda confused, I'm just in a place where I'm trying to get more information and hoping something comes of it. Lemme reread the thread and see. I'll be around for a bit if anyone wants to talk. I'll bite. Assume I wanted to vote for rayn right now, what do you think would be the reason? I'd think that it's because he made a weakly -reasoned townread on me, and was over-defensive of this read when Kurumi asked about it. I don't really know what to think about what he said about Kurumi; on one hand I agree that Kurumi felt weird around that time, but I don't think it was for the reason that raynpelikoneet mentioned. My two cents, anyway.
Reads to me like you would prefer me to scumread rayn citing reasons for that, while thinking that Kurumi should look scummy but being afraid of saying so.
How was rayn in the defensive in that exchange? I read it as exactly the opposite.
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I don't think there's much merit to Kurumi calling Trfel mafia just for the lazy thing. In my opinion, it's not worth reading too much into, but it was also too early to call Trfel town.
Rayn for one, is already saying 'Vivax will probably call me mafia for it', which implies he thinks I'm town. I'll skip the part of voting him for that because he'll just say 'good job' like last time that happened.
Rayn more or less tried to pull off what I did with Jock two games ago (who was mafia and pushed Trfel aggressively with flimsy reasons), though the circumstances are different. Then he said I should read him mafia for it, which doesn't make much sense considering he should know that I still remember that fact well.
And while I agree that Kurumi should know better than harping on Trfel's NAI posts, it's unfair to say he did that on his own after rayn led him to do that.
Summing it up:
It kind of feels like rayn here is trying to paint Kurumi mafia with the reasons I used on Jock, while trying to make me unable to call him mafia for it because he's emulating what we both did as town in the last games.
So yeah rayn, you are right I will call you mafia for it
And Trfel is mafia too, because right after he realized he should be scumreading you, he went and made a scum case on Kurumi in order to not have to.
##Unvote
##Vote rayn
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On April 29 2020 15:17 Alakaslam wrote:
Stuff getting really strangely simple. Like straight up people make excuse = they is scum.
If Vivax is right.
But it is funny, Trfel being more active than anyone else post excuse has me feeling townie on him even though it literally points scummier than before. Like, my head and my gut disagree
It seems he was aware of rayn doing things that were very similar to the last games we played in, didn't want to mention them though.
I'm not particularly buying that he wouldn't see the similarities here after being on the receiving end when jock pushed for his mislynch, so I'm supposing he's feigning ignorance when not asked about it.
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Either way, gtg.
I'm curious if rayn really thought that what he was doing there wasn't some kind of carbon copy of what happened from the last games.
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On April 29 2020 15:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Well at least the two of my initial reads are correct.
Can't be initial if it's the only ones.
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On April 29 2020 15:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But they are not. I also think FF and Slam are town but i am not that sure about it.
slam i can get behind, not ff
why ff
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the music video was nice tho ill give him that
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im on phone formatting will keep it short.
your case sounds an awful lot like you are implying that kurumi is doing what jock did in holy guardians except you did so at a time when trfel had at most 4 or 5 posts that didnt say much about his alignment.
also again you are acting like you know my alignment from the start when ive been mostly shitposting before.
ill play devils advocate with myself later but i find it odd atm that you and trfel didnt have the dejavus i had there.
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On April 30 2020 00:12 Koshi wrote:
Been a while. Glad this didnt start 2 days earlier. I'll see what I can come up with.
On April 30 2020 00:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 00:23 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 30 2020 00:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So far I have Slam, Koshi, and Kurumi on my possibly mafia list. Why koshi? That entrance is sounds totally like Koshi mafia entrance.
Okay, why?
On April 30 2020 00:42 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 00:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:On April 30 2020 00:23 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 30 2020 00:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So far I have Slam, Koshi, and Kurumi on my possibly mafia list. Why koshi? That entrance is sounds totally like Koshi mafia entrance. say no more ##vote: koshi
What?And this was serious?
Jock what is this shit?
On April 29 2020 23:21 Jockmcplop wrote:Is it bad or not?
Let's let Team Liquid decide.Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:41 GlowingBear wrote:On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF This post is bad and you should feel bad for it. Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead. oh. @Glowingbear why is this such a bad post to you? I mean I don't agree with it really or see how it will have the intended effect but it doesn't seem so bad from an AI perspective
Why the 'let TL decide part', and then it's just about me voting FF, but you somehow quote Kurumi and then end up asking GB about it. Could you walk me through what you were thinking doing that?
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On April 30 2020 04:15 Koshi wrote:
Hi detective Vivax! How are you?
Feel like shit tbh. I have a feeling the 'rona doesn't really go away and I slept through the rest of the day after coming home. Now I'll be up most of the night.
Gonna look into GB real quick.
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Dunno about GB, him overreacting to my crappy vote was kinda meh but I like where his vote is at now.
Could use some more meat from his posts, but I'll go with a townlean for now.
On April 30 2020 01:36 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 01:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 30 2020 01:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Wait jock says his vote on koshi was jokes?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Nah I genuinely thought he was mafia after his one post and shockeyy saying that post made him mafia. I was convinced. but alas! Now I have seen the light. ##unvote: koshi 🙄
Fefe how do you go from this to voting GB?
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On April 30 2020 01:30 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 01:25 Fecalfeast wrote:On April 30 2020 01:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 30 2020 01:22 Fecalfeast wrote:On April 30 2020 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 30 2020 00:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
Dislike rayns post on kurumi and i like kurumi so far
Shockckckckckeyyyy why is it a koshi mafia entrance and why did it take until jock voted for you to vote What do you dislike about my post? Real quick it seems based on your idea of what kurumi was thinking rather than what was said let me do a real post later Did you miss the part where Kurumi basically said that what i wrote is accurate? sure its ip to debate if it makes him mafia or not but... lol Obviously i did miss that Because it never happened. Or, at least until rayn shows where this has happened. Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 01:26 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 30 2020 00:58 Kurumi wrote:
Wall of text? You people don't do big list posts or case posts anymore?
As for the overdefensive comment, I'll take that as a good joke.
Why do they think they have to get into the game more when all that's happened is I pinged them out? Overdefensive much, huh?
I meant wall of text as in you didn't press enter at all and it makes it harder to read. Then that's bad practice you allow it. It sets up a potential deflection with "well, gee I told you guys I'm not going to do much..." which only creates confusion in the discussion. Look at what's happened: I call out Trfel ever so slightly and rayn comes swinging at me for no reason, so deep to even implicate himself, but never pushing himself to vote, mostly attacking me instead of defending Trfel. Meh. Most of the time posts like that come from town. Anywayit looks to me like rayn's just pressuring you to see what happens. As for trfel he could be mafia but he hasn't posted anything so far that makes me think he is. As for you comment to what Mafia is currently doing... why? You just voted Koshi, who's posted NOTHING besides promise of contributing for "pressure". He's pressured himself already a lot more than your vote did. And Shockeyy's. You're abandoning what's already developed in the thread to deflect onto one of the lurkers. Clearly my tongue was in my cheek for that vote, hence the smiley and the fact that of course i don't just believe shockeyy that koshi made his mafia entrance, or even has a koshi style of mafia entrance.And what the fuck is this "Maybe one of them is, but both, like this on day one? Nah". WHY? So you scumread one of them? What is this sentence even? I just don't think mafia would expose and align themselves that much as to both push you at the same time when nothing else has happened/is happening. I don't scumread either of them tbh.
Are you fucking with me or? I didn't press enter at all?As for bolded, what the holiest of fuck. What? And yes, scum do that, because it might be easy early to discredit someone in the thread or because they panic.
He didn't press enter at all.
Funniest thing in the thread so far.
Jock do they prescribe funky stuff in the UK or did you roll mafia again?
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On April 30 2020 04:34 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 04:29 Vivax wrote:Dunno about GB, him overreacting to my crappy vote was kinda meh but I like where his vote is at now. Could use some more meat from his posts, but I'll go with a townlean for now. On April 30 2020 01:36 Fecalfeast wrote:On April 30 2020 01:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 30 2020 01:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Wait jock says his vote on koshi was jokes?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Nah I genuinely thought he was mafia after his one post and shockeyy saying that post made him mafia. I was convinced. but alas! Now I have seen the light. ##unvote: koshi 🙄 Fefe how do you go from this to voting GB? Could you explain to me why Jock is mafia?
Have you read him?
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On April 30 2020 04:32 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 04:22 Vivax wrote:On April 30 2020 04:15 Koshi wrote:
Hi detective Vivax! How are you? Feel like shit tbh. I have a feeling the 'rona doesn't really go away and I slept through the rest of the day after coming home. Now I'll be up most of the night. Gonna look into GB real quick. You had corona???
Presumably. It didn't make me supersick but enough to cause me the occasional trouble breathing at night and feeling kinda drained since then. Sometimes I feel like there's droplets of water running down the trachea, mostly in bed.
Hope you're fine tho. I've seen the charts and the mortality in Belgium was super high.
Btw ignore my last question, I was thinking you were rayn there for a sec and I wanted to ask him about reading Jock.
Jock's first post was a catch-up-post, that already made me lift my eyebrows because it seemed kind of overkill. But the 'let TL decide' bit with the confusing followup is where I'm at mostly. Let him explain tho.
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On April 30 2020 04:47 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 00:58 Kurumi wrote:On April 30 2020 00:27 Jockmcplop wrote:-snip- Holy wall of text Batman. You also seem overdefensive in this post (for someone who doesn't have any votes on them.) Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. Are you sure trfel was lying and didn't just get into the game more than he expected to? Wall of text? You people don't do big list posts or case posts anymore? As for the overdefensive comment, I'll take that as a good joke. Why do they think they have to get into the game more when all that's happened is I pinged them out? Overdefensive much, huh? On April 30 2020 00:42 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 30 2020 00:27 Kurumi wrote:On April 30 2020 00:16 ShoCkeyy wrote:On April 30 2020 00:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
Kurumi if you think this is spammy you would have hated it a couple years ago...
Shit more like 5 years ago Yea, I went from 40 players with about 20 page games to 10 players with 200+ pages, now its 10 with 70 pages, so not that bad anymore. I do know. I've been part of this forum for 9 years now and did my fair share of spamming. On April 29 2020 23:47 Jockmcplop wrote:alakaslam: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2020 10:09 Alakaslam wrote:
Gonna have to side with Kurumi on the logic train. Defend yourself, not others, even when scum. Because it be scummy until the town begins wearing trousers on their head. Then defense the ally. On April 29 2020 15:17 Alakaslam wrote:
Stuff getting really strangely simple. Like straight up people make excuse = they is scum.
If Vivax is right.
But it is funny, Trfel being more active than anyone else post excuse has me feeling townie on him even though it literally points scummier than before. Like, my head and my gut disagree I find these posts pretty scummy, like you want to agree with Kurumi but then want to back out for some reason. You seem so sure in one post and unsure in the next. Kurumi's logic train very much had to do with his suspicions on trfel and you seemed sure about it but then next thing you're like "yeah but maybe not." and that's it. Also, Kurumi's logic, I pointed out above why its bad logic. On the one hand, he says that all trfel has done is ask questions, but trfel's questions brought more information into the thread, which Kurumi says is 'never bad'. I don't think Kurumi is using consistent scumhunting logic here in going after trfel. Trfel's questions were useless or bad. One they asked Alakaslam made absolutely no sense given that Trfel was one giving a cop-out. The way they questioned me about my opening post was not to make me introduce me into the game, but to learn how committed I am to the game. Why do they need to know how committed I am to the game? Well, it makes deciding how the N1 KP goes. I don't know whether to disagree with you or scumread you. I can't see how you've had such a reaction to rayn and trfel questioning how you started the game. You seem genuinely pissed off and i don't get why. Trfel's post is one that you see in about 70% of game openings and sometimes its a town post; sometimes its a mafia post, but you really can't tell from whether someone follows up on day 1 by being exactly as active as they said they would. I also really don't buy this theory that rayn and trfel are mafia coming after you for pinging trfel. Mafia are probably trying to hide or just watch right now. Maybe one of them is, but both, like this on day one? Nah -snip- Then that's bad practice you allow it. It sets up a potential deflection with "well, gee I told you guys I'm not going to do much..." which only creates confusion in the discussion. Look at what's happened: I call out Trfel ever so slightly and rayn comes swinging at me for no reason, so deep to even implicate himself, but never pushing himself to vote, mostly attacking me instead of defending Trfel. Basically, discrediting me instead of committing to defending Trfel. As for you comment to what Mafia is currently doing... why? You just voted Koshi, who's posted NOTHING besides promise of contributing for "pressure". He's pressured himself already a lot more than your vote did. And Shockeyy's. You're abandoning what's already developed in the thread to deflect onto one of the lurkers. And what the fuck is this "Maybe one of them is, but both, like this on day one? Nah". WHY? So you scumread one of them? What is this sentence even? Very town looking of Kurumi here. But I love giving policy advice as mafia too, hmmm.....
The effort of making a huge summary this early was quite townie, just seems exactly that: Too early.
Btw he reminded me that Grack is in this game.
Hey Grack, care to post?
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Going to take back what I said about rayn earlier.
Was just crappy tinfoil reasoning from me seeing parallels to the other games, in hindsight, probably.
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On April 29 2020 13:47 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 13:41 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 13:28 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hi Trfel can we be friends this game? Hopefully, that's kinda on you though On April 29 2020 07:26 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 06:59 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 05:20 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? The only people I believe I have not played with are Shockeyy, Jockmcplop and Grackaroni. I believe we have played together (maybe even on a scum team?), I have played lots with rayn, Vivax, Koshi, Chezinu and probably Alakaslam could go into that category as well. So Fecalfeast, Trfel (you) and GlowingBear are people I should've played already but my meta judgement would be seriously impractical here. On April 29 2020 05:04 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:02 Trfel wrote:
[quote]I know he's played a bunch before, I've seen him around a bit before (forget where).
The reason I ask is that he said he will be trying to make some meta reads, I'm curious if that's going to be based on previous game experience or if he intends on filter diving past games of unfamiliar players or what. I'm not a fan of that approach. Especially after not playing for so long. I agree Vivax! Actually, if I were in a self-deprecating mood I'd probably state outright that I don't feel meta-competent right now. Fair enough, I didn't realize it was that many players. Thanks for explaining! So why were you asking me about how I'm going to play this game, exactly? Because your post didn't make sense to me. Claiming you planned on doing a lot of meta reads doesn't make sense if you're unfamiliar with many/most of the players in the game, which I thought you were. Therefore, I was asking to try and learn more about what you meant by that. It makes more sense now that you said you were just faking confidence. It just feels a bit weird for me for town to come into the thread right at the start of day 1 and say "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy," especially if they don't know everyone. But it makes more sense now that you've clarified it. On April 29 2020 09:45 Alakaslam wrote:On April 29 2020 04:47 Trfel wrote:
Alakaslam, I assume by cop-outs you mean excuses?
And if so, what (if anything) do you make of them? Meh, NAI but also unnecessary. Just kinda bad. I cant always be here, I don’t have to go on and on about my daily teaching schedule or coronavirus actually making me busier and whatnot. I just show up when I can. Because I’m town, and therefore dont give a shit what people think. Alakaslam, do you really care what people think of you when you're mafia? On April 29 2020 10:32 GlowingBear wrote:On April 29 2020 08:10 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 29 2020 07:48 Kurumi wrote:
[...]
-asked me how I'm going to play and fished for whether I checked out the player roster for past games and meta
-now questions GlowingBear about Vivax which is first "OK" thing.
[...] See these are not "only asking questions" things. Regardless of that, i really liked his thought process on your "meta shenanigans" post. I am waiting to see what kind of meta reads you will cook up. You haven't played in what... three years? I also heavily dislike your approach towards me, because you seem to be thinking Trfel is not doing anything but asking useless questions, and i am not (before this) giving you pretty much anything on that front except for support on him for "no apparent reason". Why are you talking to me like there is nothing wrong in my behavior? Fishing for how I'm committed to the game is not something I'm going to write up as "Town" in my book. Especially when someone declares that they're going to be less than committed. And as I've stated already in agreement to Vivax, me going for meta reads might not be the best course of action. I am talking to you "like there is nothing wrong in your behaviour" because it is still early in the game and you might be going off one thing, like you've admitted. I also read your first post after "hi" as combative and wanted to know whether it is light-hearted or not, but you didn't acknowledge me asking about it. Besides, bringing more information into the thread is never wrong, especially when we establish connections people have to each other based on their reactions and interactions. On April 29 2020 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
To be more clear; Is it normal for a guy who is mafia to say "hey i am gonna lurk and only be around mostly at time X", then question people and follow that up with ANYTHING?
Now i am not saying this CANT be mafia, but like... I think i tried slowwwwwwly try to get Kurumi off that thing in case he genuinely thought that was mafia behavior (in general i mean). I guess no luck, and i think that smells. Oh come on Ray, what kind of reasoning is this? If anything, we should be concerned that someone that has shown less interest in the game changes their behaviour so fast. If that's the whole picture, that is. Although I agree with you about Trfel's opening, it will only be proven if he in fact acts lazy and uses his opening as a cop-out. If he is mafia, he could be using that excuse right out of the bat and simply not play. Trfel usually asks lots of questions as town, forcing people to contribute to the thread. That's townie from him. But I'll let him explain himself. Actually, @Trfel, one question: why do you believe you'll be lazy in this game? Are you uninterested? I'm slightly demotivated/a little tired of mafia, yes. I wouldn't have played if there was another person who signed up for the 12th slot. I was serious about being just as happy to not play as to play. However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious. So you plan to not be lazy? Also, what do you think of the reactions so far? I dunno. You get what you get. Honestly I'm kinda confused, I'm just in a place where I'm trying to get more information and hoping something comes of it. Lemme reread the thread and see. I'll be around for a bit if anyone wants to talk. I'll bite. Assume I wanted to vote for rayn right now, what do you think would be the reason? I'd think that it's because he made a weakly -reasoned townread on me, and was over-defensive of this read when Kurumi asked about it. I don't really know what to think about what he said about Kurumi; on one hand I agree that Kurumi felt weird around that time, but I don't think it was for the reason that raynpelikoneet mentioned. My two cents, anyway.
On April 29 2020 14:01 Trfel wrote:@Alakaslam and GlowingBear, thanks for answering my questions.
Anyway, I find Kurumi to be the most interesting person in the thread at the moment. Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead. Super non-committal, zero followup. Saying it's "not bad" means he thinks there is something to it, but he didn't say another word on the subject in any of his posts. Yes, I know, Fecalfeast didn't post in that time so there was nothing new to discuss, but I still think that if Kurumi actually found Fecalfeast suspicious/interesting he would have mentioned it to others. Like later that same post: Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player. shit i think we should kill him then You want to butt heads, eh? What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game? Why is he more interested in me making an excuse than the scumread he just said was decent? But that's what he chose to ask raynpelikoneet about. And he never seemed to stop and question raynpelikoneet's alignment, or even find raynpelikoneet's response interesting. This I really don't get. Raynpelikoneet's play of hard defending someone early in the game for weak reasons (especially in Kurumi's view, for the exact same reason he is suspicious) should be seen as a terrible play. I'd think that would be at least worth mentioning. But all Kurumi cares about is a player who made an excuse, not the alignment of the person he's interacting with. Doesn't feel right to me. Thoughts?
These two posts still don't feel right to me though.
It's like he's seeing reasons for both to be mafia then feels pressured to make a case on Kurumi because of it.
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On April 30 2020 05:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax, are you still in Slam is town train?
On a 'don't want to lynch him today'-level of confidence, yes.
I'm not too much of a slam-whisperer and know I misread him as town in the past.
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On April 30 2020 05:35 Koshi wrote:
GB:
Silly questions
No waves
Bit unfunny oncomfortable gif
Comes out of lurk to devour poor green jock
Excuses to continue lurk
i lol'd
Rayn what's the really dumb thing Jock did?
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##Unvote
##Vote Jock
Chez what are you trying to tell us?
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On April 30 2020 07:06 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 14:44 Vivax wrote:I don't think there's much merit to Kurumi calling Trfel mafia just for the lazy thing. In my opinion, it's not worth reading too much into, but it was also too early to call Trfel town. Rayn for one, is already saying 'Vivax will probably call me mafia for it', which implies he thinks I'm town. I'll skip the part of voting him for that because he'll just say 'good job' like last time that happened. Rayn more or less tried to pull off what I did with Jock two games ago (who was mafia and pushed Trfel aggressively with flimsy reasons), though the circumstances are different. Then he said I should read him mafia for it, which doesn't make much sense considering he should know that I still remember that fact well. And while I agree that Kurumi should know better than harping on Trfel's NAI posts, it's unfair to say he did that on his own after rayn led him to do that. Summing it up: It kind of feels like rayn here is trying to paint Kurumi mafia with the reasons I used on Jock, while trying to make me unable to call him mafia for it because he's emulating what we both did as town in the last games. So yeah rayn, you are right I will call you mafia for it And Trfel is mafia too, because right after he realized he should be scumreading you, he went and made a scum case on Kurumi in order to not have to. ##Unvote
##Vote rayn Does anyone actually understand what Vivax is trying to say here? I keep reading this and can't understand it  No, I don't remember what reasons were used last game, the logic here feels so convoluted. I don't think that it makes Vivax mafia (I see no mafia motivation), I'm just really confused. I'll be back in an hour or two to catch up on the rest of the thread.
In my head, I take full credit for dunking Jock trying to mislynch you in that one game.
And the reason I jumped at rayn here is because it felt like he was doing to Kurumi what I did to Jock...And expected me to call him mafia for it, which I didn't find believable.
It seems convoluted because it is.
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Granted I worded it like shit and could have probably packed it into a single sentence like I did now. And to me it doesn't matter anymore. I'm feeling goodish about rayn as long as he keeps poking.
Shockeyy still need you to explain why Koshi's entrance was scummy.
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On April 30 2020 07:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 07:11 Vivax wrote:On April 30 2020 07:06 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 14:44 Vivax wrote:I don't think there's much merit to Kurumi calling Trfel mafia just for the lazy thing. In my opinion, it's not worth reading too much into, but it was also too early to call Trfel town. Rayn for one, is already saying 'Vivax will probably call me mafia for it', which implies he thinks I'm town. I'll skip the part of voting him for that because he'll just say 'good job' like last time that happened. Rayn more or less tried to pull off what I did with Jock two games ago (who was mafia and pushed Trfel aggressively with flimsy reasons), though the circumstances are different. Then he said I should read him mafia for it, which doesn't make much sense considering he should know that I still remember that fact well. And while I agree that Kurumi should know better than harping on Trfel's NAI posts, it's unfair to say he did that on his own after rayn led him to do that. Summing it up: It kind of feels like rayn here is trying to paint Kurumi mafia with the reasons I used on Jock, while trying to make me unable to call him mafia for it because he's emulating what we both did as town in the last games. So yeah rayn, you are right I will call you mafia for it And Trfel is mafia too, because right after he realized he should be scumreading you, he went and made a scum case on Kurumi in order to not have to. ##Unvote
##Vote rayn Does anyone actually understand what Vivax is trying to say here? I keep reading this and can't understand it No, I don't remember what reasons were used last game, the logic here feels so convoluted. I don't think that it makes Vivax mafia (I see no mafia motivation), I'm just really confused. I'll be back in an hour or two to catch up on the rest of the thread. In my head, I take full credit for dunking Jock trying to mislynch you in that one game. And the reason I jumped at rayn here is because it felt like he was doing to Kurumi what I did to Jock...And expected me to call him mafia for it, which I didn't find believable. It seems convoluted because it is. i am not sure if i should play mafia. I think rayn was doing something to someone, the same thing i did when i was town and it even worked!! But hey let's call rayn scum here because it's so convoluted!!! Because it is. True story guis, rayn is mafia lets murder him with fire.
Why did you expect me to call you mafia for what I did?
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On April 30 2020 07:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 07:38 Vivax wrote:On April 30 2020 07:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 30 2020 07:11 Vivax wrote:On April 30 2020 07:06 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 14:44 Vivax wrote:I don't think there's much merit to Kurumi calling Trfel mafia just for the lazy thing. In my opinion, it's not worth reading too much into, but it was also too early to call Trfel town. Rayn for one, is already saying 'Vivax will probably call me mafia for it', which implies he thinks I'm town. I'll skip the part of voting him for that because he'll just say 'good job' like last time that happened. Rayn more or less tried to pull off what I did with Jock two games ago (who was mafia and pushed Trfel aggressively with flimsy reasons), though the circumstances are different. Then he said I should read him mafia for it, which doesn't make much sense considering he should know that I still remember that fact well. And while I agree that Kurumi should know better than harping on Trfel's NAI posts, it's unfair to say he did that on his own after rayn led him to do that. Summing it up: It kind of feels like rayn here is trying to paint Kurumi mafia with the reasons I used on Jock, while trying to make me unable to call him mafia for it because he's emulating what we both did as town in the last games. So yeah rayn, you are right I will call you mafia for it And Trfel is mafia too, because right after he realized he should be scumreading you, he went and made a scum case on Kurumi in order to not have to. ##Unvote
##Vote rayn Does anyone actually understand what Vivax is trying to say here? I keep reading this and can't understand it No, I don't remember what reasons were used last game, the logic here feels so convoluted. I don't think that it makes Vivax mafia (I see no mafia motivation), I'm just really confused. I'll be back in an hour or two to catch up on the rest of the thread. In my head, I take full credit for dunking Jock trying to mislynch you in that one game. And the reason I jumped at rayn here is because it felt like he was doing to Kurumi what I did to Jock...And expected me to call him mafia for it, which I didn't find believable. It seems convoluted because it is. i am not sure if i should play mafia. I think rayn was doing something to someone, the same thing i did when i was town and it even worked!! But hey let's call rayn scum here because it's so convoluted!!! Because it is. True story guis, rayn is mafia lets murder him with fire. Why did you expect me to call you mafia for what I did? because you always do?
You're saying when I'm town I apply reasons I am typically town for to call others mafia?
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I thought you had a particular reason to expect me to call you mafia for there, but apparently you're saying you were expecting it because I always do, though I'd argue I tend to call everyone mafia at some point but drop it when I see a good reason to.
Fine. Back to other matters. I'm going to assume for a moment Trfel isn't mafia and look at Kurumi. I see he was kind of eager to jump into my arms, which bothers me a little. It also seems like rayn triggered him a bit, which I don't read too much into. Before I fast forward to his post though I need to know something.
Rayn, do you still think Kurumi is mafia?
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Without me believing that I was the reason he posted this, this post is actually pretty good.
On April 29 2020 14:01 Trfel wrote:@Alakaslam and GlowingBear, thanks for answering my questions.
Anyway, I find Kurumi to be the most interesting person in the thread at the moment. Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead. Super non-committal, zero followup. Saying it's "not bad" means he thinks there is something to it, but he didn't say another word on the subject in any of his posts. Yes, I know, Fecalfeast didn't post in that time so there was nothing new to discuss, but I still think that if Kurumi actually found Fecalfeast suspicious/interesting he would have mentioned it to others. Like later that same post: Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player. shit i think we should kill him then You want to butt heads, eh? What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game? Why is he more interested in me making an excuse than the scumread he just said was decent? But that's what he chose to ask raynpelikoneet about. And he never seemed to stop and question raynpelikoneet's alignment, or even find raynpelikoneet's response interesting. This I really don't get. Raynpelikoneet's play of hard defending someone early in the game for weak reasons (especially in Kurumi's view, for the exact same reason he is suspicious) should be seen as a terrible play. I'd think that would be at least worth mentioning. But all Kurumi cares about is a player who made an excuse, not the alignment of the person he's interacting with. Doesn't feel right to me. Thoughts?
I'll skip the part where I know if rayn is scumreading him and just add Kurumi to the scummy pile. Also because of something in his biggish post I want to point out:
Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars.
This is a stretch.
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On April 30 2020 09:21 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 08:46 Vivax wrote:Without me believing that I was the reason he posted this, this post is actually pretty good. On April 29 2020 14:01 Trfel wrote:@Alakaslam and GlowingBear, thanks for answering my questions.
Anyway, I find Kurumi to be the most interesting person in the thread at the moment. On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead. Super non-committal, zero followup. Saying it's "not bad" means he thinks there is something to it, but he didn't say another word on the subject in any of his posts. Yes, I know, Fecalfeast didn't post in that time so there was nothing new to discuss, but I still think that if Kurumi actually found Fecalfeast suspicious/interesting he would have mentioned it to others. Like later that same post: On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player. shit i think we should kill him then You want to butt heads, eh? What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game? Why is he more interested in me making an excuse than the scumread he just said was decent? But that's what he chose to ask raynpelikoneet about. And he never seemed to stop and question raynpelikoneet's alignment, or even find raynpelikoneet's response interesting. This I really don't get. Raynpelikoneet's play of hard defending someone early in the game for weak reasons (especially in Kurumi's view, for the exact same reason he is suspicious) should be seen as a terrible play. I'd think that would be at least worth mentioning. But all Kurumi cares about is a player who made an excuse, not the alignment of the person he's interacting with. Doesn't feel right to me. Thoughts? I'll skip the part where I know if rayn is scumreading him and just add Kurumi to the scummy pile. Also because of something in his biggish post I want to point out: Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. This is a stretch. I didn't post that because of anything related to you, I posted it because I wanted to post it.
Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 09:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 30 2020 08:22 Trfel wrote:On April 30 2020 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did you really see the light now Trfel? Like that post from Vivax explains everything? I don't agree with it, no. But I think I understand it. Even if I think it's really silly. explain please then. Apparently, last game, I was an easy lynch target at the start of the game (fair enough I suppose, I tend to be). Jockmcplop (mafia) went after me, and the way he did so had some flaws so Vivax (town) was able to push him and lynch him. In this game, I made an excuse so that's easy for mafia to jump on. Kurumi went after it, and Vivax sees you jumping on him as the same thing. It kinda makes sense? Except that it's not scummy for you to push something at the start of the game, especially when the reason for suspecting it is successful meta. And it's not true that "meta" makes it unable to pressure you for the push.
Well, you forgot the 'he's going to call me mafia for this' part.
Which now I think he claims is something he said because I do it every game, not because of something he posted. Though I'd like confirmation on this because rayn didn't really confirm if that's how it went.
Dunno, maybe I actually had a stroke of genius when making that post, but looking back at it, I worded it badly.
I did expect rayn to be trying to do some kind of reverse mind trick when saying I was going to call him mafia. Similar to his 'scumslip' in holy guardians where afterwards he acted like he did it on purpose.
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Yeah could do with a Shockeyy vote if he doesn't deliver more.
Maybe I'm looking at active people too much? As mafia I'd probably play like Shockeyy, without pressure. And his reason for voting Koshi is meh.
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Chez' channeling of his inner troll feels blander than usual, and Shockeyys vote is just crappy. Then again can't tell if they're just not being bad townies.
Kurumi are you still 100% scum, nevertown on Trfel?Because your argument that he was lying just because he posted more than he promised still runs on thin ice (yeah that's not your only one but one you should probably backtrack on, if you're town).
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On April 30 2020 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 05:39 Vivax wrote:On April 30 2020 05:35 Koshi wrote:
GB:
Silly questions
No waves
Bit unfunny oncomfortable gif
Comes out of lurk to devour poor green jock
Excuses to continue lurk i lol'd Rayn what's the really dumb thing Jock did? The whole voting Koshi then unvoting and every piece of it for shit reasons.
Rayn I'm not too convinced by this reasoning for your vote here.
What makes you sure he wasn't legit joking/making a play there when he added the smiley at the end? I'm not.
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FF laughing at his own mistakes feels townie.
Well played if scum. Revisiting at a later day.
GB not seeing it and calling him scum for shitposting is kinda bad. Makes me feel less good about my Jock vote together with rayn being too comfy with it as well.
Dunno, maybe I should just yolo Shockeyy.
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On April 30 2020 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 21:19 Vivax wrote:On April 30 2020 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 30 2020 05:39 Vivax wrote:On April 30 2020 05:35 Koshi wrote:
GB:
Silly questions
No waves
Bit unfunny oncomfortable gif
Comes out of lurk to devour poor green jock
Excuses to continue lurk i lol'd Rayn what's the really dumb thing Jock did? The whole voting Koshi then unvoting and every piece of it for shit reasons. Rayn I'm not too convinced by this reasoning for your vote here. What makes you sure he wasn't legit joking/making a play there when he added the smiley at the end? I'm not. Because he said he wasn't joking.
The whole pompousness of the post with the alas suggests otherwise to me, but I'd need Jock to say what it actually was. I can only guess.
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On April 30 2020 11:16 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I only voted Koshi to put more pressure on him after that opening, especially if it was going to be two votes already. I thought it would of been obvious. I already explained my reasoning why I thought it was a Koshi mafia opening.
Are you serious?A pressure vote on Koshi who was freely posting anyway? Because you thought it was a mafia opening? Can't be one AND the other.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Shockeyy
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On April 30 2020 21:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi wasn't freely posting when Shockeyy voted for him tbh. He only started after Shockeyys vote.
Shockeys explanation doesn't seem real to me. He had him as scum after one post.
On April 30 2020 00:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So far I have Slam, Koshi, and Kurumi on my possibly mafia list.
Then afterwards he says it was just a pressure vote. If you think someone made a scummy entrance, how do you go to saying it was just a pressure vote?
And you're saying Koshi posted just because of Shockeyys vote, or what is the point you are trying to make here?
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On April 30 2020 21:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am trying to make a point that if Shockeyy wants to pressure vote Koshi or thinks his entrance was scummy timeline-wise it makes sense. Koshi wasn't posting other than his opening -> Shockeyy votes. Koshi starts posting -> Shockeyy unvotes. I am not saying Koshi started posting just because Shockeyy voted for him lol.
So where do you see Shockeyy townreading Koshi after saying his entrance was scummy?
Because I would expect Shockeyy to at least say "oh, I thought his entrance was scummy, and I pressured him, but then he posted this which made me think he was town".
And not just "Entrance looks like mafia. He posted something. Ergo he's not mafia"
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On April 30 2020 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't see why he has to townread Koshi? He just has to think he is maybe not mafia anymore.
Look, Shockeyy said Koshi reminded him of an entrance Koshi did in a game where they were scum together, IIRC.
That's already not the way you call someone mafia with the intent of having him scumread by others.
So that already leaves a hole.
What I'm missing here is Shockeyys entire thought process between him scumreading Koshi and then unscumreading him.
If you have any idea what that could be, I'd like to hear it.
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On April 30 2020 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax whats your opinion on Grackaroni?
He mentions Fefe poking Shockeyy lazily for his Koshi vote, which is actually nice from Fefe from where I'm at.
From Fefe:
Dislike rayns post on kurumi and i like kurumi so far
Shockckckckckeyyyy why is it a koshi mafia entrance and why did it take until jock voted for you to vote
Though it's kind of strange he jumps to a team of you and FF based on what he is reading in that post, where Fefe is actually disliking your post, so sort of agreeing with Grack?
Feels like he's missing some line of thoughts here he should be having, and a team of you+ff shouldn't make too much sense based on what's in his post, but that's not enough for me to call him mafia for rn.
I'd like to know what he thinks about Shockeyy.
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On April 30 2020 23:04 Koshi wrote:
If people dont know why it is mafia:
45%) He is not looking for mafia.
30%) It is hard to freally give good reads when you are mafia not bothering to indepth read.
20%) It keeps his options open on all other players
5%) After we lynch GB there is no information in his filter.
What do you mean he's not looking for mafia? He has Slam and Jock as his scumleans, pretty obviously.
His thought process on Kurumi also feels genuine. With Kurumi calling out Trfel after GB did, ie the mindmeld.
Sure, he isn't putting in the super work, but he's also ill. So right now it looks more like you are pushing him at all costs while he can't play optimally.
What are your other reads Koshi?
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On April 30 2020 23:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 11:04 GlowingBear wrote:On April 30 2020 10:51 Alakaslam wrote:On April 30 2020 10:49 GlowingBear wrote:On April 30 2020 00:03 Kurumi wrote:Slam, everyone, please don't spam post, it really doesn't help. I decided to make a list for summary's sake and that we hopefully don't miss out something later. No contribution so far:Grackaroni (posted, but it is literally an introduction post and a youtube-link post) Fecalfeast (admitted to not reading the thread) Koshi (no posts at all) Jockmcplop (no posts at all) Chezinu (but talking Chezinu and contributing is a whole can of worms)
Low-effort/medium activityShockeyy (claims town and wanting to lead it, pings me through quoting Vivax, scumreads Alakaslam, notes that Trfel has played games back-to-back and understands their desire to be lazy) Alakaslam (notes the cop-outs, pings me, claimed town, seemingly agrees with me, Vivax, torn about Trfel anyway) GlowingBear (pings Vivax, then votes them without providing more reasoning, interacts with Trfel on basis of past games, although seemingly agrees with me, is interested in how Trfel is going to play) Funnily enough, if someone were to put a gun to my head right now, I'd say all three are Town. That only means I at this moment lean Town more on them than Scum and it's flimsy enough to flip fast. If I were to pick the strongest town feel out of these three, it would be Slam because I liked him noticing the cop-outs and well, I like that he seems to agree with me ActiveVivax (pinged me, wanted to interact with people and did, pressured Fecalfeast through a vote on good reasoning after I asked for who I should be looking into, most importantly, came to the exact same conclusions I have right now.)
KurumiTrfel
raynpelikoneetI have no idea with which one of these two I should start. There's an obvious triangle between them and me - with them defending each-other and pushing me, but pushing me so lightly that they don't even commit to a vote. And they do all this for me JUST pinging Trfel. Never called Trfel scum. Never voted Trfel. That's a misrepresentation. But the moment I mention Trfel to rayn, he believes that Trfel has shown "effort" (they did not, as I outlined in a post of mine). After this, rayn declares I should be suspicious of him because of his defense of Trfel - to which I have replied already as well. I was. I know that rayn tunnel-visions a lot, but the play he's shown this game is outright bogus to me. Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. They go as far as literally reiterating rayn's previous point he made to me about how I should be suspicious of rayn and me not being suspicious of rayn is scummy. They also misrepresent me as saying "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy" which is wildly untrue. I expressed DOUBTS whether I can do that. Not that I can and will. And you know what's the best thing ever in Trfel's posting? On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote:
-snip-
However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious. Amazing backpedal. So your plan from the start of the game was claim to be lazy and then call the first person to call you out scum? Because "mostly joking"? So not only you've lied about "being lazy" this game through your gameplay after I put some heat on you, you also admit it outright? Cool. So, the only reason I'm voting Trfel over raynpelikoneet really is that I think Trfel has a role. I'd rather have a scum-with-role dead than a vanilla scum dead. Easy? Easy. ##vote Trfel+ Show Spoiler [unofficial votecount] +
Fecalfeast - 0
Vivax
raynpelikoneet - 1
Vivax
Vivax - 1
GlowingBear
This is the best post in thread and Kurumi is top town. There is no way scum would put so much effort while also mindmelding with me in the beginning of the game. Only issue is there is a way. Scum can be badass But yeah Kurumi top town for me as well. I hardly believe Kurumi is mafia here. I would be surprised. He has no scumread on slam except a notion slam is wishy washy somewhere. After that nothing towards slam to find out his alignment but chitchat. Like the above.
Yeah, maybe he didn't call slam mafia outright, but that's what I read this post as:
On April 30 2020 10:34 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 06:39 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 06:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game? so why did you ask me about this? Sorry I'm responding this late, got a call from a friend. Well, I got all bad vibes from this and wanted another pair of eyes on this. Someone declaring at the start of the game that they're going to be lazy feels like a setup for a future cop-out for why they're not putting the effort in. This is exactly what I thought. This post makes me think Kurumi is town. Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 09:45 Alakaslam wrote:On April 29 2020 04:47 Trfel wrote:
Alakaslam, I assume by cop-outs you mean excuses?
And if so, what (if anything) do you make of them? Meh, NAI but also unnecessary. Just kinda bad. I cant always be here, I don’t have to go on and on about my daily teaching schedule or coronavirus actually making me busier and whatnot. I just show up when I can. Because I’m town, and therefore dont give a shit what people think. I don't like this post from Slam, this "I'm town and therefore dont give a shit what people think" seems forced. Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 14:01 Trfel wrote:@Alakaslam and GlowingBear, thanks for answering my questions.
Anyway, I find Kurumi to be the most interesting person in the thread at the moment. On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead. Super non-committal, zero followup. Saying it's "not bad" means he thinks there is something to it, but he didn't say another word on the subject in any of his posts. Yes, I know, Fecalfeast didn't post in that time so there was nothing new to discuss, but I still think that if Kurumi actually found Fecalfeast suspicious/interesting he would have mentioned it to others. Like later that same post: On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player. shit i think we should kill him then You want to butt heads, eh? What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game? Why is he more interested in me making an excuse than the scumread he just said was decent? But that's what he chose to ask raynpelikoneet about. And he never seemed to stop and question raynpelikoneet's alignment, or even find raynpelikoneet's response interesting. This I really don't get. Raynpelikoneet's play of hard defending someone early in the game for weak reasons (especially in Kurumi's view, for the exact same reason he is suspicious) should be seen as a terrible play. I'd think that would be at least worth mentioning. But all Kurumi cares about is a player who made an excuse, not the alignment of the person he's interacting with. Doesn't feel right to me. Thoughts? I disagree, Kurumi has committed to the "bad vibes" he had from you, and his thought process is well displayed on the thread. The only part I agree with is that Kurumi didn't question rayn's alignment, but I don't see it as alignment indicative in the early game. Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 15:17 Alakaslam wrote:
Stuff getting really strangely simple. Like straight up people make excuse = they is scum.
If Vivax is right.
But it is funny, Trfel being more active than anyone else post excuse has me feeling townie on him even though it literally points scummier than before. Like, my head and my gut disagree Another post from Slam that isn't contributive at all. Just a "could be or couldn't be". Okay, I'm on page 8, I'll post this and continue
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On April 30 2020 23:39 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 23:22 Vivax wrote:On April 30 2020 23:04 Koshi wrote:
If people dont know why it is mafia:
45%) He is not looking for mafia.
30%) It is hard to freally give good reads when you are mafia not bothering to indepth read.
20%) It keeps his options open on all other players
5%) After we lynch GB there is no information in his filter. What do you mean he's not looking for mafia? He has Slam and Jock as his scumleans, pretty obviously. His thought process on Kurumi also feels genuine. With Kurumi calling out Trfel after GB did, ie the mindmeld. Sure, he isn't putting in the super work, but he's also ill. So right now it looks more like you are pushing him at all costs while he can't play optimally. What are your other reads Koshi? This is a fucking pathetic post by you Vivax and I will remeber this post for the rest of the game. Bullshit upon bullshit upon bullshit
Did I trigger you because I don't agree with you on GB when you try to condense your case on him into comedic points that then turn out to be untrue?
Well, then you might be mafia. I'm pretty chill.
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Okay then, let's tone it down a little here, get out of your tunnels, because I need you in mine.
Koshi why do you think that what GB is doing is worse than what Shockey is doing?
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I'd prefer if GB just gave an update regarding slam instead of me doing the legwork for him.
On April 29 2020 05:41 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF This post is bad and you should feel bad for it.
And explain why he scumread me for this maybe. I didn't pay too much attention to it earlier but I'm kinda curious now.
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Holy fuck Koshi was right.
##Unvote
##Vote GB
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GB what made you extract out of the conversation here with very specific points to discuss to go and post a half-assed summary of stale reads?
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On May 01 2020 00:07 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey GB i am not blue you can call me mafia now. Alright You're mafia.
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On May 01 2020 00:23 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 00:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He is saying stuff that makes sense unlike some other people. You're mafia ##Unvote
##Vote: raynpelikoneet
On May 01 2020 00:36 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 00:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think Jock is mafia and Slam probably town just because there is no room for him to be mafia. Okay, consider I am town here. Who's the team? Would you move with me to kill Jock?
🤔
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On May 01 2020 00:51 Koshi wrote:
If rayn is serious I will quit mafia.
He's joking, can't you see it?
If he says he isn't joking, then that's the joke, get it?
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On May 01 2020 00:59 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Caught up to the thread, Vivax I never said I stopped scum reading Koshi, I just wanted to vote slam even more for that ridiculous vote on me.
And in all seriousness, Jock and Shock couldn’t possibly roll mafia together again. The chances of that are stupidly low.
If you're caught up, why aren't you voting GB?
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Yeah Shockeyy just read what GB did on the last pages and tell me he isn't mafia?
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Well I know who I'm lynching after we flip GB.
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On May 01 2020 01:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 00:40 Vivax wrote:On May 01 2020 00:23 GlowingBear wrote:On May 01 2020 00:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He is saying stuff that makes sense unlike some other people. You're mafia ##Unvote
##Vote: raynpelikoneet On May 01 2020 00:36 GlowingBear wrote:On May 01 2020 00:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think Jock is mafia and Slam probably town just because there is no room for him to be mafia. Okay, consider I am town here. Who's the team? Would you move with me to kill Jock? 🤔 Talking about this Vivax?
That's one.
The other is the conversation between the two of us and Koshi, where GB instead of just keep engaging with us about what we were talking about went and made a lazy ass reads post.
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On May 01 2020 01:40 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 01:39 Vivax wrote:On May 01 2020 01:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:On May 01 2020 00:40 Vivax wrote:On May 01 2020 00:23 GlowingBear wrote:On May 01 2020 00:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He is saying stuff that makes sense unlike some other people. You're mafia ##Unvote
##Vote: raynpelikoneet On May 01 2020 00:36 GlowingBear wrote:On May 01 2020 00:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think Jock is mafia and Slam probably town just because there is no room for him to be mafia. Okay, consider I am town here. Who's the team? Would you move with me to kill Jock? 🤔 Talking about this Vivax? That's one. The other is the conversation between the two of us and Koshi, where GB instead of just keep engaging with us about what we were talking about went and made a lazy ass reads post. I recall some one asking for the reads post though.
Well, Koshi complained that GB didn't have enough reads as his argument. So the elephant in the room at the time was GBs read on slam, that I presumed he had and Koshi wanted to hear more about.
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I have a sudden urge to lynch Shockeyy and keep GB as a pet mafioso in the game.
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On May 01 2020 02:50 Trfel wrote:
##unvote
##vote ShoCkeyy
Underwhelming filter. I like Vivax's (?) point about ShoCkeyy saying he voted Koshi only for a pressure vote, but also saying that Koshi's opening was a mafia opening. He's yet to give any other reasons to suspect Koshi. And more importantly, he's just saying recently "I like GlowingBear more than Koshi" while voting for Alakaslam, while GlowingBear is leading the lynch and Koshi or Alakaslam aren't really in contention.
Not sold on it but maybe it'll work?
On May 01 2020 02:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay
##unvote
##vote ShoCkeyy
On May 01 2020 02:57 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Terrible decisions are about to be made.
Still catching up but jesus, that unlurk.
This guy is literally not doing anything until he sees his name pop up somewhere.
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On April 30 2020 11:16 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I only voted Koshi to put more pressure on him after that opening, especially if it was going to be two votes already. I thought it would of been obvious. I already explained my reasoning why I thought it was a Koshi mafia opening.
On May 01 2020 00:59 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Caught up to the thread, Vivax I never said I stopped scum reading Koshi, I just wanted to vote slam even more for that ridiculous vote on me.
And in all seriousness, Jock and Shock couldn’t possibly roll mafia together again. The chances of that are stupidly low.
On May 01 2020 03:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Rayn, please just re-read the thread and the interactions between GB and Koshi. I feel like most people here don't read and just base decisions on others decisions. I'm putting pressure on Slam, because I personally think that Koshi and Slam are partners. Could Jock be in there? sure? But what GB is saying about Koshi relieving pressure on Jock is true. I personally hope that Jock didn't roll mafia again, but that Koshi play right there can be two things. True mafia work, or town work. Slam voting me, 15 mins after not wanting to vote for me screams setup play between the two for D2.
So how did he go from claiming Koshi was scummy to 'only voting Koshi for pressure' to claiming he had him as lock scum?
This is superscum. Shockeyy in his first post is timid to call Koshi mafia. If town, what's stopping him from saying his vote was to lynch Koshi?
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On May 01 2020 06:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I mean, you're asking how I did it, the answer is in your post, I never stopped scum reading Koshi? What makes that super scummy? seems like very straight forward game play to me. I don't know what kind of result you're looking for here. I mean you were in my top four list of being possible scum.
I didn't want to label you as scum, but you seem really protective of Koshi.
I still don't understand how his entrance made him mafia in your eyes and nobody else does either, I think. That's because you dodged the question by saying it was a vote of pressure.
Rayn you will have to explain to me why you didn't keep your vote on GB.
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On May 01 2020 06:38 Fecalfeast wrote:
Also Ive got one foot in the slam is mafia pond and the other in the slam is town pond and my feet are starting to get cold send help
i lol'd
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On May 01 2020 06:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 06:31 Vivax wrote:On May 01 2020 06:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I mean, you're asking how I did it, the answer is in your post, I never stopped scum reading Koshi? What makes that super scummy? seems like very straight forward game play to me. I don't know what kind of result you're looking for here. I mean you were in my top four list of being possible scum.
I didn't want to label you as scum, but you seem really protective of Koshi. I still don't understand how his entrance made him mafia in your eyes and nobody else does either, I think. That's because you dodged the question by saying it was a vote of pressure. Rayn you will have to explain to me why you didn't keep your vote on GB. It's association based on previous mafia play. He entered the exact same way, and then afked the rest of the game. This time, when I voted for him he's been active.
Ok, what about the rest of his posts?
It looks like you've decided to scumread Koshi at the beginning of the game and never backed down when he posted something new, which just looks like you're lazy mafia.
As town you should take new posts into account when reading someone, no?
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On May 01 2020 05:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:You went from this to this in a span of an hour, why the sudden change of heart? Judging from your interactions with GB you completely thought of him as town before the above post. You never really interacted with GB, you just called him homboy in a couple of posts immediately then talked about GB with other people when GB stopped posting. Then all the sudden asked for reasons why you should vote for GB. Idk but your interaction timeline just seems off about when it comes to GB, especially your voting pattern.
This is actually a good question.
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Fefe how many hours of the day are you actually in front of a computer?
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On May 01 2020 07:34 Koshi wrote:
Vivax FeFe Tfrel are the tiptopiest town that towned in townsville.
I cant wait to see them getting lynched on d3 and d4.
Why lynched and not NKd?
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On May 01 2020 07:59 Trfel wrote:
Vivax, who is your top scumread right now?
GB, Shockeyy is up close.
I'd like Shockeyy to continue his inquiry into Slam though.
I didn't finish looking at EoD from a lynch derailing perspective and wagon analysis, but rayn's switch looks bad to me. I thought he was as confident as me on GB.
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On May 01 2020 07:48 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 07:34 Koshi wrote:
Vivax FeFe Tfrel are the tiptopiest town that towned in townsville.
I cant wait to see them getting lynched on d3 and d4. Why lynched and not NKd?
I get it now. Well played.
Don't worry, with how little suspicion I get as town, mafia should take care of that.
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On May 01 2020 08:06 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 08:03 Vivax wrote:On May 01 2020 07:59 Trfel wrote:
Vivax, who is your top scumread right now? GB, Shockeyy is up close. I'd like Shockeyy to continue his inquiry into Slam though. I didn't finish looking at EoD from a lynch derailing perspective and wagon analysis, but rayn's switch looks bad to me. I thought he was as confident as me on GB. Thanks. Are you still suspicious of me? Is it bad that I am still unsure about you?
You're kinda nothingburger right now, I have bigger fish to fry.
You can think of me what you will. Actually you're helping if you suspect me.
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On May 01 2020 08:13 Alakaslam wrote:
GB almost certainly town and ShoCkeyy inadvertently revealed Rayn imo
You voted Shockey back then, why do you think I'm wrong on him now?
And didn't you claim cop?
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I think he has too much fight in him to be mafia. Mafia Koshi is a kind butterfly that occasionally backstabs you. More of a tonish read.
Chez shot is good. Though I could be swayed if he looked like he had more fun while shitposting.
On May 01 2020 12:27 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 07:02 Vivax wrote:On May 01 2020 05:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:You went from this On May 01 2020 03:59 Alakaslam wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: GlowingBear to this On May 01 2020 04:43 Alakaslam wrote:
I now have GB as top town. in a span of an hour, why the sudden change of heart? Judging from your interactions with GB you completely thought of him as town before the above post. You never really interacted with GB, you just called him homboy in a couple of posts immediately then talked about GB with other people when GB stopped posting. Then all the sudden asked for reasons why you should vote for GB. Idk but your interaction timeline just seems off about when it comes to GB, especially your voting pattern. This is actually a good question. Why do you want so much to paint me as scum now? You're taking every oportunity to throw suspicions at me. How about YOU tell me why I'm mafia?
While I was fighting with Koshi over your alignment you were in the thread and instead of engaging you went and made an apologetic sounding summarish post.
If it wasn't already obvious that it is why I scumread you, then I can't help you.
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Though I'll try to be fair and look at the game from a fresh perspective.
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On May 01 2020 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do people so hard want to ruin the game every single fucking time i am town?
Idk why he says this when he's voting Kurumi who he presumably thinks was mafia.
Or is he referring to someone else.
Otherwise, it's a pretty scummy thing to say.
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On May 01 2020 03:59 Alakaslam wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: GlowingBear
Nice timing. Also didn't change the outcome.
Important to come back to depending on GB's flip.
On May 01 2020 04:43 Alakaslam wrote:
I now have GB as top town.
Seems legit.
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Welcome back Jock. Hope you're ok.
I need to digest your posts and I'm kinda lazy atm.
Need some clarification on your vote on Koshi from back in the day. I read it as joke, rayn read it as serious with you weasling out of it.
I mean it feels kinda stupid to ask but it needs to be done.
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On May 01 2020 20:35 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 20:31 Jockmcplop wrote:+ Show Spoiler +If this is suggesting koshi/shockeyy mafia I don't think so. Shockeyy's hard scumread on koshi is too much for early bussing imo. Otherwise I think the best part of this case is here: + Show Spoiler +Mild "don't lynch Kurumi" post. Feels so mild-mannered for Koshi, who is usually such an aggressive poster. He doesn't seem to care much about who gets lynched between GlowingBear, his super scumread, and Kurumi, his townread. Tells raynpelikoneet to keep voting for Kurumi while sticking on GlowingBear himself Its really hard to parse town motivation from these two posts. It looks like there's a contradiction, like don't townread kurumi for that post he made but we shouldn't lynch him but don't stop voting him based on that post. If you didn't want kurumi lynched, your objective should be to stop town from lynching him. why would you tell rayn to ignore that post and suggest that kurumi might be mafia for posting it? Kurumi cheated and deserved to die. You shouldnt talk about getting replaced and shit like that. It's 99% times town being truthful over mafia doing a very dirty trick.
What are you talking about. Where did he talk about getting replaced because I can't find it on a quick read.
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On May 01 2020 22:16 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 20:12 Jockmcplop wrote:the two koshi posts, although I don't need to, I feel I should explain. The first post was a joke with a joke vote. You probably think that's stupid, fair enough. The second post was sarcasm, as trfel pointed out. There was no way I could hard scumread koshi from what he had posted so far in the thread, i was being sarcastic. read this again carefully from the perspective that I am being sarcastic: Nah I genuinely thought he was mafia after his one post and shockeyy saying that post made him mafia. I was convinced. I get now that responding to people not understanding a joke vote with sarcasm that people might also not understand isn't smart. I take responsibility for that. @Vivax
Thanks.
Jock can you stop putting stuff in spoilers? It really helps.
Confirms what I was thinking, anyways, tho I fell for it before the sarcasm.
But also kinda obvious answer if he's mafia.
Fefe for his push on shockeyy which only takes a brief look at shockeyy's reads and filter to debunk.
Okay, debunk it please?
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Thanks, I'm getting anoptic or something.
Looked at Shockey's 'there's two scum here' stuff and can't figure out why he was so sure of GB being a town wagon here when he previously posted 'I think Koshi is more likely mafia than GB'. Doesn't exactly scream 100% confidence on the GB wagon being on town.
So no Jock, I don't see how it is easy to see why thinks there's two scum on the wagons.
It literally only makes sense if you argue he was so sure that Koshi was mafia that he was never going to think that GB could be. But then why didn't he say so?
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On May 01 2020 23:27 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 22:59 Vivax wrote:
Thanks, I'm getting anoptic or something.
Looked at Shockey's 'there's two scum here' stuff and can't figure out why he was so sure of GB being a town wagon here when he previously posted 'I think Koshi is more likely mafia than GB'. Doesn't exactly scream 100% confidence on the GB wagon being on town.
So no Jock, I don't see how it is easy to see why thinks there's two scum on the wagons.
It literally only makes sense if you argue he was so sure that Koshi was mafia that he was never going to think that GB could be. But then why didn't he say so? But literally all of his scumreads and people that he is suspicious of are on those two wagons. It makes perfect sense that he says that's where scum is.
He mentioned Slam and Koshi before. That is fine, except I'm not okay with the way he went after Koshi.
But then he pulls out the wagons, and says there's got to be two mafia on them. Then adds me and FF to a random list because he says he TRs Trfel and rayn.
If he said 'look I know I'm town and I think there's scum on my wagon', then that would be okay.
But why both wagons, and why two mafia?
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On May 01 2020 23:50 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 17:54 Vivax wrote:I think he has too much fight in him to be mafia. Mafia Koshi is a kind butterfly that occasionally backstabs you. More of a tonish read. Chez shot is good. Though I could be swayed if he looked like he had more fun while shitposting. On May 01 2020 12:27 GlowingBear wrote:On May 01 2020 07:02 Vivax wrote:On May 01 2020 05:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:You went from this On May 01 2020 03:59 Alakaslam wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: GlowingBear to this On May 01 2020 04:43 Alakaslam wrote:
I now have GB as top town. in a span of an hour, why the sudden change of heart? Judging from your interactions with GB you completely thought of him as town before the above post. You never really interacted with GB, you just called him homboy in a couple of posts immediately then talked about GB with other people when GB stopped posting. Then all the sudden asked for reasons why you should vote for GB. Idk but your interaction timeline just seems off about when it comes to GB, especially your voting pattern. This is actually a good question. Why do you want so much to paint me as scum now? You're taking every oportunity to throw suspicions at me. How about YOU tell me why I'm mafia? While I was fighting with Koshi over your alignment you were in the thread and instead of engaging you went and made an apologetic sounding summarish post. If it wasn't already obvious that it is why I scumread you, then I can't help you. I didn't make an apologetic summary list, I tried to have my reads on thread when people kept saying I had no information in my filter, although I believe I had enough. We were reaching deadline and we had to organize ourselves. I can't keep refreshing the page while fleshing out my reads. Come on, Vivax.
Actually I just realized you didn't vote Kurumi to save yourself. That makes you more likely to be town. Dumb town, but town.
Makes slams EoD vote juggling more likely to be from scum since that'd mean both wagons were town.
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On May 02 2020 00:19 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 23:57 Vivax wrote:On May 01 2020 23:50 GlowingBear wrote:On May 01 2020 17:54 Vivax wrote:I think he has too much fight in him to be mafia. Mafia Koshi is a kind butterfly that occasionally backstabs you. More of a tonish read. Chez shot is good. Though I could be swayed if he looked like he had more fun while shitposting. On May 01 2020 12:27 GlowingBear wrote:On May 01 2020 07:02 Vivax wrote:On May 01 2020 05:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:You went from this On May 01 2020 03:59 Alakaslam wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: GlowingBear to this On May 01 2020 04:43 Alakaslam wrote:
I now have GB as top town. in a span of an hour, why the sudden change of heart? Judging from your interactions with GB you completely thought of him as town before the above post. You never really interacted with GB, you just called him homboy in a couple of posts immediately then talked about GB with other people when GB stopped posting. Then all the sudden asked for reasons why you should vote for GB. Idk but your interaction timeline just seems off about when it comes to GB, especially your voting pattern. This is actually a good question. Why do you want so much to paint me as scum now? You're taking every oportunity to throw suspicions at me. How about YOU tell me why I'm mafia? While I was fighting with Koshi over your alignment you were in the thread and instead of engaging you went and made an apologetic sounding summarish post. If it wasn't already obvious that it is why I scumread you, then I can't help you. I didn't make an apologetic summary list, I tried to have my reads on thread when people kept saying I had no information in my filter, although I believe I had enough. We were reaching deadline and we had to organize ourselves. I can't keep refreshing the page while fleshing out my reads. Come on, Vivax. Actually I just realized you didn't vote Kurumi to save yourself. That makes you more likely to be town. Dumb town, but town. Makes slams EoD vote juggling more likely to be from scum since that'd mean both wagons were town. I'm no dumb You dumbest Care to explain what was so bad about that reads list of mine? There's nothing apologetic in it.
On May 01 2020 17:54 Vivax wrote:I think he has too much fight in him to be mafia. Mafia Koshi is a kind butterfly that occasionally backstabs you. More of a tonish read. Chez shot is good. Though I could be swayed if he looked like he had more fun while shitposting. Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 12:27 GlowingBear wrote:On May 01 2020 07:02 Vivax wrote:On May 01 2020 05:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:You went from this On May 01 2020 03:59 Alakaslam wrote:
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##Vote: GlowingBear to this On May 01 2020 04:43 Alakaslam wrote:
I now have GB as top town. in a span of an hour, why the sudden change of heart? Judging from your interactions with GB you completely thought of him as town before the above post. You never really interacted with GB, you just called him homboy in a couple of posts immediately then talked about GB with other people when GB stopped posting. Then all the sudden asked for reasons why you should vote for GB. Idk but your interaction timeline just seems off about when it comes to GB, especially your voting pattern. This is actually a good question. Why do you want so much to paint me as scum now? You're taking every oportunity to throw suspicions at me. How about YOU tell me why I'm mafia? While I was fighting with Koshi over your alignment you were in the thread and instead of engaging you went and made an apologetic sounding summarish post.
If it wasn't already obvious that it is why I scumread you, then I can't help you.
Basically it looked like you felt pressured by Koshi for having little reads and while we were in the thread debating your alignment you ran off to scramble a few together.
In that context, it didn't feel natural.
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The more I look at rayn's filter the more I get the feeling that after he put Kurumi through a meatgrinder he clapped his hands, turned around and thought to himself 'my job here is done'.
There are some posts that suggest he should be mad but to me it looks like he's happy. Doesn't quite compute.
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Live shot of Elon Musk right now
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On May 02 2020 01:00 Alakaslam wrote:
Hey so @ Jock
If you read ShoCkeyy’s filter you will see him making little remarks as if he is trying to convince me I am scum like twice a day.
I will do exactly whatever the fuck I will do and I’m not changing to make ShoCkeyy think I am town.
You don't have to make Shockeyy think you're town if you think he's scum. Wtf?
On May 01 2020 08:13 Alakaslam wrote:
GB almost certainly town and ShoCkeyy inadvertently revealed Rayn imo
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On May 02 2020 01:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Fwiw even though I think Rayn played an objectively very scummy day yesterday I don't feel a strong conviction that he will flip scum.
I think I was vigged n1 my last game as town in a similar situation so if someone is debating who to shoot right now I hope you choose Chezinu, but obviously I understand if it's me. At the very least I'll keep coming back to read every so often and hopefully I'll feel strongly about something at some point later on.
You're good in my book. Kinda self-conscious but not in a mafia way.
I'll put that out there in case I get N1d.
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Morning.
Have you read his filter Trfel? There's a read that sticks out imo. I've been burned before from drawing conclusions from kills though.
And shouldn't Slam have a check?
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Rayn what's up with the passive aggressive tone? Are you a Tesla investor?
Do you agree that we should murder Shockeyy or that other guy today?
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On May 02 2020 14:42 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2020 14:33 Vivax wrote:
Morning.
Have you read his filter Trfel? There's a read that sticks out imo. I've been burned before from drawing conclusions from kills though.
And shouldn't Slam have a check? You mean his read on ShoCkeyy or Fecalfeast? I skimmed his filter, those two seemed most prominent to me. Sure, he talked about Chezinu less, but he was one of few who talked about him at all (at least in any kind of alignment indicative way). And I guess we'd better wait for Alakaslam to say.
Well I did mean the read that sticks out in Fefes filter, not Slams. Without playing the guessing game with you, I think his Chez read sticks out. Also his GB read, but I'm kinda running with a world where mafia don't vote to kill themselves atm.
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On May 02 2020 14:55 Trfel wrote:Yes, sorry, I was talking about Fecalfeast's filter. I've honestly no clue who is mafia this game
I thought you had a scumread on Shockeyy. You even called out one of his posts as being a whole load of nothing this day.
I'd lynch him today.
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On May 01 2020 02:50 Trfel wrote:
##unvote
##vote ShoCkeyy
Underwhelming filter. I like Vivax's (?) point about ShoCkeyy saying he voted Koshi only for a pressure vote, but also saying that Koshi's opening was a mafia opening. He's yet to give any other reasons to suspect Koshi. And more importantly, he's just saying recently "I like GlowingBear more than Koshi" while voting for Alakaslam, while GlowingBear is leading the lynch and Koshi or Alakaslam aren't really in contention.
Not sold on it but maybe it'll work?
So this was a zero conviction vote?
Why mention him not voting GB then as if it was a reason for him to be mafia?
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Was Koshi a low conviction suspect too?
When comparing your reads to what you said earlier about people, first Shockeyy and now Koshi don't seem to fit much into what you're saying now.
You listed a bunch of reasons for Koshi to be mafia, but the night kill made you paranoid about him, and then he ends up with me and rayn in maybe town.
Kinda hope I'm wrong here and Trfel didn't evolve his scum game into sounding like an innocent child.
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Actually I'll banish that thought for now. Doubt I'd lynch Trfel today anyway.
Gonna wait on this instead.
On May 02 2020 11:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
RIP Fefe.
I have some rethinking to do in the morning.
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On May 02 2020 16:19 Trfel wrote:
Koshi wasn't a low conviction suspect, I just re-evaluated. His response to my push felt towny to me, his defense was unexpected and understandable. He has felt invested in the game. At least for now I'm backing off. Still suspicious, but there is reason to townread him (especially viewing GlowingBear as mafia).
Vivax, are you sure GlowingBear is town? I know he didn't vote, and that can seem towny, but outside of that his play reads like mafia to me. I'm on my phone so it's hard to elaborate, but if it's only one thing that makes you think someone is town, IMO you'd better be really really freaking sure about that one thing. Mafia can do surprising things sometimes.
Yeah, you may be right that I'm giving too much importance to that, but when as mafia you just want to survive, voting someone else to save yourself for another cycle is really a nobrainer. He was here at EoD 100%.
I think I'll chill for now and see what GB brings to the table to get rayn and Koshi lynched. Because it's kind of bold to be in a line of thinking where the mafia are Koshi, rayn and one of me or Slam and I want to see how he justifies that.
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It's not an impossible combination, but kinda like assuming mafia hit the active vet jackpot. Though rayn to me doesn't feel like the same rayn from yesterday before EoD, so there's that.
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On May 03 2020 02:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Fefe and I had great conversations, for Fefe to die, and them try to pin me as mafia isn't going to go so well when Koshi actually reads Fefe's filter and notices he hardly scum read me at all.
FecalFeast and I had our run ins, but I always answered him, and he answered me. When I posted my scum list, he was one of them, so of course naturally we talked it out.
You sound a bit like Trump.
That'd be enough to lynch you already but the current activity levels are boring me to death.
I'll come back to this post when it doesn't feel like I'm talking to myself in the thread.
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Let's pretend you're town. Who's scum and how does that relate to the wagon argument you made on D1, are you still following that logic?
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On May 03 2020 02:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Of course, I personally think that scum is easily in Koshi/Slam. Even if they're both not mafia, one of them is 100%.
That's a great, no, a tremendous case. I want to thank myself for being so concise, and I am sure everyone will agree.
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On May 03 2020 05:37 Trfel wrote:I take it people were very underwhelmed by my post on GlowingBear
Hard to think of something I'm not underwhelmed from.
Which people btw.
##Vote rayn
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I'm not going to read much into cases until rayn plays or is on the chopping block.
If that's how he decides to play through D2, he's mafia. Simple as that.
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I guarantee you he's watching the thread and deliberately decides not to post because he pretends to be mad for some BS that someone did.
That's textbook scum rayn.
As town he'd still care enough to try and give guidance, not just talk to Grack like that and fuck off.
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On May 03 2020 06:19 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2020 05:41 Vivax wrote:On May 03 2020 05:37 Trfel wrote:I take it people were very underwhelmed by my post on GlowingBear Hard to think of something I'm not underwhelmed from. Which people btw. ##Vote rayn Just no one commented on it. Maybe I need to rewrite it. Voting raynpelikoneet if he doesn't play makes sense? Except for a lot of people aren't playing currently
Yeah I'm sorry if I don't pay too much attention to your case right now. I'm also kinda triggered that today to me feels like a circlejerk between you and me.
But if vets I'm used to like Koshi and rayn basically put 1% of the effort they did on D1, coupled with the FF kill, then odds are at least one of them is mafia. And I'm putting my money on rayn, also because of his voting shenanigans yesterday.
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I reread Koshi, and I'm NOT lynching him. But I feel like lynching Chez for that vote.
On May 03 2020 10:14 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Vivax, if rayn wasn't town, then why would he vote for Kurumi even though he was confirmed town with his posts and was most likely going to get modkilled or replaced? Like the way I see it is if rayn was mafia, he would of voted GB out instead because GB would definitely been his biggest opponent, and his biggest problem until N1 kill or something.
GlowingBear: (3) Koshi, Vivax, Alakaslam
If you're town, which I hope you are based on your game play, then that means Kosh or Slam have to be mafia. Trfel seems to be sheeping Rayn or just willing to vote Kurumi based on the same information Rayn had, and he at least is also trying to play the game as well.
Rayn seems to only not be playing recently because people are scum reading him. He did the same thing last game I played where Hap was really pushing he was mafia.
You're still following wacky logic in my book. Like, mafia only lynches their bigges threats, so rayn is town. Or that the only reason you and GB were the wagons is because mafia was on them. The thought you could have been wrong on one of them never even crossed your mind?
I dislike using the word, but your post is really just about wifoming yourself into a rayn townread.
What's your argument for lynching Koshi before Slam?
Why did you never post a read on Jock except weird posts hinting at interaction based reads, but not even really.
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Jock who do you want to lynch?
What is this entire conversation about? Do you want to find mafia?
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On May 03 2020 20:01 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2020 19:59 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
Jock who do you want to lynch?
What is this entire conversation about? Do you want to find mafia? My PoE currently: Slam Koshi Chezinu Trfel Vivax
I'm in your PoE?
Trfel?
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On May 03 2020 20:14 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2020 20:08 Vivax wrote:On May 03 2020 20:01 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 03 2020 19:59 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
Jock who do you want to lynch?
What is this entire conversation about? Do you want to find mafia? My PoE currently: Slam Koshi Chezinu Trfel Vivax I'm in your PoE? Trfel? Yep. I think you've been pretty scummy except for your meta which makes me doubt my read on you. I really hate the push against rayn, and shockeyy for that matter. I can't just ignore that stuff because you are posting enough to be town vivax. Trfel is basically a null read which puts him in my PoE. I have alot of townreads and people i won't lynch this game. Trfel never did anything to make me think he's town. He's making cases but they are all kind of weak. Doesn't make him mafia, but stops me from townreading him.
If you found my push on rayn weird I'd expect you to mention it somewhere before, because it's quite a hipster read to have.
I'm also not in your scum list from your previous post.
Dunno, I find your poe hard to believe. It's like you're reading a different game.
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On May 03 2020 20:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No this is the right answer:
##vote jockmcplop
Probably. Feels very disconnected from the game.
##Vote Jock
Chez can you cut to the chase?You're giving off headless chicken vibes.
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It feels like the game went from Heidi to Mad Max within an hour as soon as Jock Koshi and Chez arrived.
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On May 03 2020 21:06 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2020 19:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still think the following people are town.
Vivax, Trfel, Koshi. I mean like i am just going to assume they are town.
The next important thing is the votecount and GB's alignment. If GB is town, mafia didn't care about the lynch. If GB is mafia, mafia still didn't care about the lynch. I kind of agree with Vivax that GB not voting for the counter wagon -- while incredibly stupid, most likely makes him town. The only person from the "not taking a stance on lynch" by the eod was Slam who was swapping his votes after Kurumi started posting. I don't think that looks townie and i think Slam is the only person aside from the people who were on Kurumi and GB can actually be mafia.
I don't think either of Shockeyy and Grackaroni were reading either of Kurumi/GB mafia. I actually think Shockeyy tried to make people switch to Slam, i think that's minor town points for him. I kind of thought Grack has to be mafia based on him not wanting to do anything about the lynch, especially when his biggest scumread is voting for Kurumi the most obvious decision to make is to try make people vote for either Slam, or join the opposing wagon. However, i have zero understanding of why Grack continued like he did after D1. Basically if Grack is mafia, he built up a scumread on me all game jsut to throw it into the trash for whatever reason come D2??? I don't think that makes any sense at all from mafia perspective.
So GB goes to probably town pile and Grack goes to town pile, Shockeyy goes to possibly town pile and Slam is like ????? maybe scum?
The thing to note is that i still think there is a possibility of GB being mafia, just because FF suspected him, and while he writes a lot of posts pretty much everything he votes for is "because he didn't post in X amount of time" and i think that's super weak. Wasn't it for the eod i would definitely think GB is mafia and i don't think it's completely out of the possible universes that he is in fact mafia. Hell it's definitely in his range of mafia plays to even be mafia with Jock, or Slam.
Anyways the most likely answer based on the above there is, is that:
One of GB/Jock is mafia (my preference is Jock)
One of Slam/Shockeyy is mafia (prefer Slam)
Chezinu is mafia.
The problem i have with Slam is his read change with me and Shockeyy. I switched my vote from Jock to GB to Shockeyy to Kurumi. Sure Slam can think that somehow makes me mafia (it shouldn't), but for that he has some weird association that this ALSO makes Shockeyy town. I dont think he should ever have that association based on what i did. I think this is more likely trying to get Shockeyy back off from him, based on that at the point this happened there were two votes on him (aka possibility of him being lynched -- especially if Shockeyy and Grack are town as i assume if Slam is mafia). Furthermore if this was his genuine thought process i don't have a slightest clue why he changes his vote to vote WITH his biggest scumread rayn???? I know he voted GB in the end but at that point it probably didn't matter anymore and he shouldn't have voted for Kurumi in the first place at all if what he said before that was genuine.
I know some people are saying Jock is re-evaluating the game after the FF flip but i don't really see it. I honestly first thouhg Jock is town because why would he kill FF, his scumread (unless GB is mafia too -- but right now i don't expect that to be true). Just look at Jock's re-evaluation:
- First he says he needs to re-evaluate things because FF his scumread died
- He never evaluates GB, which is the first thing he should do
- The he says he need to reread Shockeyy because "a lot of alignments depend on Shockeyys" (i dont even understand why he thinks that because he never explains anything about it)
- But he doesn't really reread Shockeyy on any level, he just comes back with some random posts and says that Shockeyy is town because ??? and Koshi and Shockeyy are opposing alignments and because of a BAD post Shockeyy made on Koshi that could make him think Shockeyy actually could be mafia but without no investigation on that ever in the game he just ends up on Shockeyy being town again and Koshi being mafia.
- Basically he never re-evaluated anything and just ended up with whatever he had before the night kill. That's literally ALL his posts during D2 so basically he hasn't done anything lol...
Chezinu kind of always has to be mafia unless the mafia team is exactly Jock, Gb and Slam. But i don't think that's the most likely answer anyways. Noone is willing to even CONSIDER Chezinu as mafia aside from Vivax and Trfel (who are basically town anyways), so yeah.... I don't think not considering Chezinu mafia as mafia, if Chezinu is not, is a good play for mafia because he is probably almost a free lynch. So i think Chezinu has to be mafia.
##vote Chezinu Many words. The question is: Is this guiding town into the wrong direction or actually rayn his mibdset in the game that he wants to tell us. I think there is a fair bit in this entire post that is speculative guiding. To be deciding in which direction. If you are town and in your gut you feel this is the bible and you need to follow this you should consider this instead as Satans seduction into the pits of Hell.
It is kinda what I wanted to hear.
But Chez also went ham after this post and Jock looks like he really cares about rayn's opinion on him so if we lynch either of them and one or two flip scum there's not really a point worrying about rayn.
It's a bit insane to want to lynch rayn over one of them.
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On May 03 2020 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Shockeyy and Grackaroni both basically built a case on me then backtracked the hell out of it, so what the fuck do you do now Koshi?
I think you're wrong on Shockeyy. And also, where did he build a case on you?
Shockeyy, Jock, Slam, Chez should be the lynch pool for today imo.
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Koshi you called Shockeyy mafia one or two pages ago.
Also why the fudge are you so upset.
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Dunno, I didn't have a good night of sleep and just want a wagon going that doesn't get derailed because I might crash to bed before.
Typically, that involves the people in the thread finding the scumreads in common, voting them, and if they show up, they try to convince us why someone else is more mafia than them.
Right now it feels more like walking into an argument between a couple.
So, my opinion is that rayn is again turning a blind eye to shockeyy, for some reason. Was like that last game too. Well, Shockeyy was mafia.
Koshi on the other hand is going berserk because Kurumi was mislynched by rayn, presumably.
Is there any read you guys have in common?
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It feels like the type of noisy day when mafia just disappears in plain sight. Votes are too spread out and someone will come up with EoD-bs again to pick the wagon that suits them.
Need a vote from Grack and Chez to put his vote into something that makes a difference. Slam too. And GB is nowhere to see.
We can't solve the game otherwise. I don't even care who you vote for now, just vote anything that can get into a majority. It helps.
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On May 04 2020 02:15 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Btw idk if this matters, but I’m a mason. My brother stopped talking to me D1. So I don’t know who it is. Oh well.
What did the other guy say? Paraphrased ofc.
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It feels kinda odd to lynch into Jock/Shockeyy again after they were both mafia in my last game. Gambler's fallacy and all, but seriously. What are the odds of them rolling both mafia together twice in a row :|
Shockeyy, Grack is bringing up some strong points, especially the overconfidence. You just seem to be stuck in your story and don't want to look who could be scum besides Koshi imo.
If you're town and telling the truth though, the best you can do is literally just to do your best to guess who the fuck the other mason was, because if he doesn't come out now he's almost guaranteed to be mafia.
I think it's worth bringing Slam and Chez to the table too. Both were full time doing claim shenannies and I wouldn't put it past them to be just that bold as scum.
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I think we always kill Shockeyy here with the mason claim.
If he lied, it's one scum down.
If he told the truth and chez doesn't confirm the claim before the flip, we lynch chez.
Guaranteed to have one mafia, no?
##Unvote
##Vote Shockeyy
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On May 04 2020 03:12 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2020 03:06 Vivax wrote:
I think we always kill Shockeyy here with the mason claim.
If he lied, it's one scum down.
If he told the truth and chez doesn't confirm the claim before the flip, we lynch chez.
Guaranteed to have one mafia, no?
##Unvote
##Vote Shockeyy I don't get it. Why chez?
Because Shockeyy siad he thinks it's Chez?
Need to take it at face value if he doesn't give more info.
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On May 04 2020 03:24 Grackaroni wrote:
intimidated
It was funnier before
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I've seen some crazy shit this game, but none came close to saying we should read people like geript does.
Finding scum is about reading motivations mostly, then maybe arguments. In hindsight the Shockeyy lynch was a mistake for that reason. He didn't make sense as mafia either but this game he had some semblance of caring. It's most likely that type of game where mafia is posing as bad town.
I'll give some sort of testament before night ends but I'll let you know I don't believe a word of what Chez is saying nor do I believe his trolling to be benign, that would be the motivation part. His filter consists of hinting at being 10 different blue roles because maybe he smugly thinks he can find some based on reactions.
And there's a mason who didn't claim and could have maybe saved Shockeyy and Shockeyy thought it was Chez.
But sure, you can go down the 1 + 1 = 0 road tomorrow.
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Yo.
So, Jock, here we are.
##Vote Jock
As you might have figured out yesterday, I have some issues with some reads of yours.
Last day you had Trfel and me in your PoE, today also but now you're saying we're mutually exclusively mafia. The reasoning for that is nowhere to be seen. Adding a / is convenient when you're limiting yourself to three scumreads, I can understand that, but it's just lazy.
In theory, you are now in a spot where you can singlehandedly save town. Everyone reads your posts. What do you do? You post a list and kinda say 'meh but if I die town loses'.
If I were in your spot I'd be on a crusade right now to lynch my scumreads, I'd try to find every single scummy fucker on my wagon and call them out. But we get a meek list with poorly explained reads and somehow I'm mafia with Chez even though we're on the same page with thinking that his play this game has just been blue hunting.
Also, he's claiming a roleblock. Question to everyone: Did anyone get roleblocked N1? I went back and looked through every single post after N1 which was a massive pain in the butt and I can assure you I didn't spot any roleblock, unless Jock put one in a spoiler.
So here's my problem: Chez is basically coming at mylo, pretended not-so-subtly to be blue all game long, didn't get shot, and after N2 claims that there's a mafia roleblocker that didn't do anything N1.
To add insult to injury, Shockeyy said he was masoned with someone who was roleplaying and who he thought was Chez, and that mason is almost guaranteed to be mafia because he didn't claim to confirm Shockeyy's claim.
So Jock, I am mafia with Chez?
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One more alternative scenario that just eluded me and the only one in my opinion that excuses Chez roleblock claim is that scum thought Fefe was veteran for some reason and roleblocked him the same night of the kill, which I find pretty unlikely, so I didn't even think of that before.
Either way, I don't believe a word of what Chez is saying.
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On May 05 2020 22:00 Trfel wrote:
Vivax, do you think we should lynch Chezinu here? I take it the answer is no because of your vote, but just wanted to clarify/ask a question out of boredom and inability to sleep.
It doesn't matter to me. One to me is confirmed scum, the other is a guaranteed loss for town if he's town so we might as well lynch jock because lynching chez just buys us more time to lynch jock.
If you catch my meaning, I'd take the riskier lynch today even over confirmed scum because if Jock is town we most likely lose even if we lynch scum now.
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Though probably Jock will say that just confirms I'm mafia with Chez or something.
Looking at Fefe's filter again, he had Chez and Slam as scumreads along Grack and Shockeyy of which one is greenchecked and the other flipped.
That's about as many pointers you will get from Chez to him being scum, along with me being so sure of him being mafia here.
Also worth mentioning that Slam has a PoE with Jock in it but votes Trfel today which is not going to happen.
For Slam I'd like him to just look at my posts and ask him if he still thinks Chez is confirmed town.
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On May 05 2020 22:40 Trfel wrote:Hm, didn't think about that I thought Chezinu was very likely town, I guess I assumed far too quickly. Thanks for pointing that out. I take it you consider Grackaroni confirmed town then?
There's no point considering that he isn't because of framers, godfathers, fairies and unicorns and everything else at this point in the game.
If he is, someone else can break his head over this later. But with 3 mafia left, what's the point of doubting the checked guy first? Look for the other two at least if you think Grack is scum.
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I believe in Koshi, he will come back to the thread with newfound righteous fury and see what I see.
Rayn kill really played a number on him, but it's winnable.
It really makes sense to me on this day if you look at the N1 kill. Medic dodge? Nah. Vet dodge? Maybe. Killed for reads? Definitely.
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I think too little importance is given to the factoid that Shockeyy was a mason and his partner didn't save him and the other bits of info regarding it.
Also no roleblock claim after N1.
Rayn died after claiming cop, Chezinu claims roleblocked on same night.
See where I'm going with this?
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Morning, game took another turn for the weird I see.
Gubby behaved really hyperbole, the way he pointed out I wanted to lynch Jock first as if it was some slam dunk reason for me to be mafia was weird. I don't quite get his plan here. He thinks Jock is town? How does screaming at me and Koshi for something help someone else get lynched? He still isn't getting his lynch, but doesn't seem to feel uncomfortable with that.
Slam just attached to that reasoning like a lamprey. Says you should always pick safe lynches but doesn't even weigh in about the merits of lynching Chez here.
Doesn't explain why me favouring Jock here makes me mafia either, adds to it that it's some ploy to lynch him after me or jock flip. I don't even know who he scumreads precisely. Reads like some mix of chez, me, trfel, koshi.
I mean first he voted Chez, so I presume he was thinking he was mafia, then GB yells something about me wanting to lynch Chez being scummy, and Slam's kneejerk reaction is not that he's getting some backup for lynching Chez, it's that I'm mafia with Chez. Scummy.
Probably the worst though are Chez vote timings. Didn't he kinda start the day by scumreading me? But to drop the vote he waits for GB to yell at me and slam to follow. When Grack comes in and shifts the wagons back to Jock, he unvotes me and votes Jock. Presumably though, these are his reads:
On May 05 2020 15:01 Chezinu wrote:
Mafia suspects:
6. Vivax
9. Koshi
12. Trfel
7. Alakaslam
8. Jockmcplop
So when it looked like I was getting lynched, he jumped at the opportunity, and when Grack foiled it, he jumped to the wagon where his top scumreads are sitting. Can anyone tell me how this isn't scummy?
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On May 06 2020 16:16 Trfel wrote:
@Vivax, on Chezinu, I have no answer. We can discuss it tomorrow. But we are not lynching him today, promise?
Usually I'd say depends, but looking at Jock's reads I'm feeling pretty good about my vote. I'm confident about my ability to read you and Koshi.
Still going to point this stuff out for posterity. Esp. GBs emotionality, Slam being an instant sucker for it, and Chez sentiment based voting, if I had to sum up what I think sticks out.
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On May 06 2020 16:31 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2020 15:50 Trfel wrote:This is the world I'm living in currently. It's not a fun place to be. TownMaybe Town?Vivax Koshi raynpelikoneet Super Weak TownreadShoCkeyy Grackaroni Alakaslam Jockmcplop Mafia?Chezinu GlowingBear? Mafia Show nested quote +On May 02 2020 23:17 Trfel wrote:On May 02 2020 21:46 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 02 2020 17:01 Trfel wrote:
Fine. I'll make a phone case. No pretty quotes or links, so you'll have to read GlowingBear's filter too.
GlowingBear
1. Scumread Koshi for misconstruing GlowingBear's play. However, note the timing, he scumread Koshi well after this all started. Despite GlowingBear not having a townread on Koshi, he got mad at Koshi and treated Koshi like town and never questioned that he could be mafia until much later, when raynpelikoneet asks him about Koshi. This doesn't feel natural at all. Town tend to be quick to call their accusers scum, especially when they feel misrepresented and ignored and all the things GlowingBear was saying.
2. Shifting reads. His scumreads shift in priority in a way that doesn't make sense. First he says Jockmcplop is mafia, and Alakaslam second. Then he says Jockmcplop and Koshi are mafia, and raynpelikoneet or Alakaslam. Then he was making a case on raynpelikoneet to defend himself (huh?). Then most recently raynpelikoneet as top mafia. It doesn't feel like he is putting much thought into his scumreads.
3. Evaluates my post on Koshi at face value. While this is objectively good, I don't see this coming from town who strongly scumreads Koshi and cares about his alignment. GlowingBear's thoughts are correct, and that's the issue here. GlowingBear doesn't use it as an opportunity to convince me to vote for Koshi or anything. Not that he should lie, or ignore my points being weak, but he could have directed me to stronger reasons to scumread Koshi. Or pointed out the strength of my remaining point instead of merely saying it was the strongest point I provided. Feels like he is just sharing his thoughts instead of actually caring about people's alignments.
Sorry if that doesn't make sense, I know it's a lot of words. There are a few other points I could make, but I figured I would just bring up these things now.
##vote GlowingBear RE: point 3, how does my analysis of your koshi post effect your read on me? Honestly it doesn't really, especially since GlowingBear said the same thing first. Show nested quote +On May 03 2020 06:56 Trfel wrote:On May 03 2020 06:41 Vivax wrote:On May 03 2020 06:19 Trfel wrote:On May 03 2020 05:41 Vivax wrote:On May 03 2020 05:37 Trfel wrote:I take it people were very underwhelmed by my post on GlowingBear Hard to think of something I'm not underwhelmed from. Which people btw. ##Vote rayn Just no one commented on it. Maybe I need to rewrite it. Voting raynpelikoneet if he doesn't play makes sense? Except for a lot of people aren't playing currently Yeah I'm sorry if I don't pay too much attention to your case right now. I'm also kinda triggered that today to me feels like a circlejerk between you and me. But if vets I'm used to like Koshi and rayn basically put 1% of the effort they did on D1, coupled with the FF kill, then odds are at least one of them is mafia. And I'm putting my money on rayn, also because of his voting shenanigans yesterday. Hm, that makes sense, fair enough. I'll keep my vote on GlowingBear for now (I'm most confident he is mafia) but I guess I could vote for raynpelikoneet if things keep going this way. Also, sorry Jockmcplop, realized I forgot to respond to you. I am sorry for being incorrect. For some reason I'm having trouble finding the posts in your filter. I take it the reason you ask is because you're scumreading Koshi too, so the same logic that it looks suspicious for GlowingBear should look suspicious for you too. That makes sense but I don't think it really applies to this case, since this is more of an emotional point. GlowingBear should be much more emotionally invested in his scumread of Koshi if he is town, and I would expect that to come out much more in his play. Show nested quote +On May 04 2020 02:59 Trfel wrote:The other thing is, Jockmcplop seemed like a decent lynch when I reread his filter. He hasn't really been pushing his own ideas, most of his posts are just commentary on other people's posts. It feels like he is "thread police," posting about the validity of other people's ideas, not making his own. And that scares me a lot. I don't know For now I think the difference is I don't want to vote with GlowingBear. ##unvote
##vote Jockmcplop Here's trfel on day 2. He has me as a slight townread. Then i question why he is scumreading GB for something that I also did, but not scumreading me for it. Seems like a strange inconsistency. Next thing I know, trfel has me as his top scumread and I haven't moved from there since. Look at the third quote here, he clearly wants to kill GB and still has a weak townread on me. There was no reason he switched from wanting to kill GB to wanting to kill me. GB was his main target. The only reason for the switch to me was that they decided to kill rayn and get everyone to vote me afterwards. Its not a tunnel, its a plan. Just look at the progression. It makes no sense.
Sorry Jock, but I don't believe you'd actually believe Trfel is mafia here because of a few gaps in his reads transitions.
You could open up any townie filter, including mine, and you'd see me wanting to lynch someone more one day and then another the day after for a bazillion of possible reasons that don't mean someone is mafia.
It really only makes sense to think what you're thinking if GB + Trfel are mafia. Then Trfel would have a reason to put GB on the backburner today and to have a clear preference to lynch you instead.
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So Jock maybe you can explain to me why Chez decided to vote for you together with his entire delegation of scumreads.
Because that's the only guy I'd lynch over you.
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The way I see it you're telling me my two top town are my teammates and that doesn't fly to well, that goes without saying.
I also don't think you'd believe rayn to have been wrong about everything before getting shot.
At the very least you should have a mild suspicion of Slam, or some slamdunk (no pun intended) argument for him being town.
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On May 06 2020 17:01 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2020 16:52 Vivax wrote:
So Jock maybe you can explain to me why Chez decided to vote for you together with his entire delegation of scumreads.
Because that's the only guy I'd lynch over you. I can't explain anything chez does. Either he's scum, and i'm totally wrong about my other scumreads, and that's why he voted for me, or he's town and doing something i don't understand. It doesn't make much sense i agree. If I wasn't so sure on trfel and you being scum i would totally lynch chez here but the three of you as a scum team just doesn't work. If chez is scum i literally have no idea who the other scum are. Slam maybe. I can't really see it though. So you think chez and I are scum, who do you think the third scum is?
Gubgub or slam. Don't really feel like it's something I have to think about today.
Unless you are town that is, but then your job is to convince me, maybe others why one of those is mafia. We lose otherwise.
The way I'm looking at it you're essentially self-destructing with weird hipster reads and I don't take any responsibility at all if you get mislynched.
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Still don't know what Slam is doing.
I know that it feels like almost everyone has Chez as possible mafia but no one is voting for him. That usually means something.
But we can keep that in mind for tomorrow if the game doesn't end. Wagon feels good to me and there's enough dudes going sort of ape with Jock on the table.
Grack, you bored greenchecked mafia, what do you make of Chez after today?Still null?
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On May 07 2020 01:38 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2020 01:35 Vivax wrote:
Still don't know what Slam is doing.
I know that it feels like almost everyone has Chez as possible mafia but no one is voting for him. That usually means something.
But we can keep that in mind for tomorrow if the game doesn't end. Wagon feels good to me and there's enough dudes going sort of ape with Jock on the table.
Grack, you bored greenchecked mafia, what do you make of Chez after today?Still null? gameplay says scum and theory crafting says there should be two blues and nobody else but Chez could be a blue.
Well, I skipped the theorycrafting part.
Will look into associations if we're still playing after the lynch Trfel.
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Yeah is anyone not around at deadline? Trfel isn't I think.
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##Unvote
##Vote GB
Good call to claim at the end of the day.
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On May 07 2020 02:38 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2020 02:03 Trfel wrote:How to Solve the Unsolvable GameOn May 05 2020 16:45 Koshi wrote:
Town 99% certain lost. Fortunately, I still have one card to play. I claim Town Tracker.Hard claim. No take-backsies or any of that. I know, I'm surprised there are two investigative roles in the game. But the setup is what the setup is, it's up to us to play it to the best of our abilities. Night 1: Tracked Koshi. Koshi did not visit anyone. Night 2: Tracked GlowingBear. GlowingBear visited Chezinu. Please note a few things about the setup of the game. First, non-vt roles are unique. This includes the mafia team. The mafia team comprises of up to one goon (who delivers the night kill) and two to three of the following: roleblocker, framer, godfather, and mason. Also, keep in mind that roleblocking the veteran does not prevent his ability from blocking a kill in this game. I believe: GlowingBear is the mafia roleblocker/framer who visited Chezinu on Night 2.Framing causes the framed player to visit a random player on that night only (not all future nights, like framing in some other mafia games). So a Night 1 frame on GlowingBear would not cause him to visit a player on Night 2. Also note that framing another mafia member is useless in this game, as framing causes them to return mafia to checks, not reverse the alignment. There is the possibility that GlowingBear himself is the mafia framer and framed Chezinu on Night 2, but I think it is more likely that he is the roleblocker. The reason for this is that Chezinu was hinting at being a power role for a significant portion, as was raynpelikoneet. It makes sense that mafia would roleblock Chezinu and kill raynpelikoneet in this situation. However, if GlowingBear is the mafia framer, I would still consider it a successful lynch. GlowingBear as mafia would never visit mafia!Chezinu in this way. Therefore, unless GlowingBear was framed on Night 2, he is 100% mafia. I consider the odds quite good. And furthermore, if GlowingBear is indeed mafia, Chezinu is confirmed town. That's why I have been hard townreading Chezinu despite knowing that he is not blue. Player ListChezinuGrackaroni?Vivax Alakaslam Jockmcplop Koshi GlowingBearTrfelFrom here the game still has some difficulty, but the above is what is known. Hopefully as more mafia are lynched, the roles of the mafia players make things more clear. For example, I very, very, very strongly believe Jockmcplop to be mafia, enough that I would be willing to lynch him over nearly-confirmed-mafia GlowingBear today (Day 3, at the time of writing). If Jockmcplop flips mafia goon, unfortunately this is not very helpful. I expect Jockmcplop to be the goon because of Murphy's Law. However, if Jockmcplop flips any other mafia role, we know that the third mafia (not GlowingBear, if he was the goon then Chezinu would be dead, and not Jockmcplop) has to be the goon, because mafia roles are all unique. And remember, the goon delivers the night kill until they are dead. This would all but confirm Koshi as town, because he did not visit anyone on Night 1 (there would need to be three mafia roles, none of which are the goon, and Koshi would need to be the godfather or mason and not deliver the night kill). If Jockmcplop flips godfather, this would also make it even more likely that GlowingBear is mafia and Grackaroni is town (as there is even less likelihood of a framer in a game with an unaware miller and a godfather). One other thing that can be tried is trying to figure out who is the mason. I personally believe that the mason is mafia, otherwise there is no reason for the mason not to have claimed already (even if not to save ShoCkeyy, why not still claim?). I believe that the mason would rather avoid the attention that claiming mason would cause, thus is playing to survive, and therefore is mafia. If no town players claim mason, then we know the remaining mason is mafia, as masons are required to be a pair. If a mafia member is a mason, they can't have any other role (at least, I think this is true anyway, might be worth asking). Therefore, it's even less likely for a framer to exist (assuming GlowingBear flips roleblocker). Unless mafia decides to try and counterclaim (which I welcome with open arms), I will be dead and there will still be two lynches ahead. I strongly recommend lynching Jockmcplop and Alakaslam. Reading Grackaroni as mafia is quite tinfoil-y, but this possibility can be addressed if needed when there is only one mafia left. As more information about the mafia roles is revealed, more information about whether it's possible for Grackaroni to be mafia here is likewise revealed. Koshi is also almost certainly town. In addition to not visiting anyone Night 1, he hard-pushed GlowingBear on Day 1 and nearly lynched him. Vivax is very likely to be town here as well. In my opinion, Vivax's play this game has been a solid average. I realize that this is underwhelming for him given the very strong town games he has played recently. However, I also know that Vivax's meta as mafia is to afk and play a very weak game (admittedly this is an old meta since there haven't been many games for the past few years, so take it with a grain of salt). So I could see Vivax playing like this as mafia. The question is, how likely is it? Is it more likely that Vivax is playing a pretty amazing scum game here, or that obviously suspicious people like Jockmcplop and Alakaslam are mafia? I think viewing Vivax as mafia here is quite paranoid, given the much more obvious targets available (Jockmcplop and Alakaslam). ConclusionUnfortunately, I failed to confirm anything for certain. However, a lot of things are very, very likely with this claim. These are as follows: GlowingBear is mafiaChezinu is townKoshi is townAnd with a few basic associations, Jockmcplop is mafiaGrackaroni is townAlakaslam is mafiaI haven't had the time to do this yet, but please, please, please, someone look through GlowingBear's filter. Look at how he and Jockmcplop have been townreading each other since the start of Night 1 for very weak reasons, no matter what evidence is presented. Look at how GlowingBear is so averse to lynching Jockmcplop here. Look how Alakaslam is trying to find the easiest lynch that isn't Jockmcplop, despite Jockmcplop being in his POE mafia list. The associations are strong. Please, please, please heavily consider the following mafia team: GlowingBear
Jockmcplop
AlakaslamIt's been a pleasure playing with you all. I look forward to hopefully playing together again soon. + Show Spoiler [Why did you say this now?] +I didn't want to post this before the End of Night 3 unless I absolutely had to. The main reason is to try and get one more track in (I'd track Alakaslam, he's the mafia target I am least confident in). However, another reason is that I believe that flipping one mafia who isn't GlowingBear will provide even more information on GlowingBear's alignment and the possible roles of the mafia team. And I am very confident that Jockmcplop is mafia here, I am very willing to stake the game on it. I'm possibly even more confident in Jockmcplop being mafia than I am in GlowingBear being mafia, despite the track and all.
If this is posted at the End of Night 3 after all, I apologize to town for not being more quiet over Day 3 and kinda giving away that I am a power role. My best play was to keep my mouth shut and not draw attention to get a third track action and hopefully seal the game away. Unfortunately, it was difficult for me to judge how much guidance town needed, and more importantly, I was just plain bored on Day 3, so I needed to be involved and post my thoughts.
I don't know when this will actually be posted, I am writing this in the middle of Day 3. I apologize if some of the information is a bit out-of-date, I doubt I had the time and/or motivation to edit this post. Perhaps more appropriate for me than for you, given the circumstances But we're all in Endgame now. ##Unvote
##Vote: TrfelVery well played, I'd never thought you would be mafia in this game
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On May 07 2020 02:46 Alakaslam wrote:
Hmm. Claim looks fake due to the overall context. I feel comfortable with my vote.
##Summon Chezinu
I think U are the real bloo m8
Explain?
Did Trfel just claim to save Jock who he was voting before, or what is it you're suggesting.
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On May 07 2020 02:55 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2020 02:53 Vivax wrote:On May 07 2020 02:46 Alakaslam wrote:
Hmm. Claim looks fake due to the overall context. I feel comfortable with my vote.
##Summon Chezinu
I think U are the real bloo m8 Explain? Did Trfel just claim to save Jock who he was voting before, or what is it you're suggesting. I strongly believe you are scum at this point. Glowingbear has said it better just now. He has been town to me almost all game because he understood Kurumi as I did. Kurumi is town MVP. We got rid of him too early.
Sorry bro but your vote was with me on GB when Kurumi was lynched.
Pretty nonsensical to say he's your townbro now because of a read on Kurumi when you didn't think so D1.
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On May 07 2020 03:08 Koshi wrote:
Vivax read tfrel filter. Does it show that he has a redcheck on GB?????
Not at fucking all right?
Two thread leaders (Koshi and Vivax) townread GlowingBear well before Jockmcplop confirmed his townread on GlowingBear. Therefore I don't believe that GlowingBear's reason to townread Jockmcplop is valid (even if GlowingBear is town).
GlowingBear, thoughts?
I don't really see why he puts this caveat in here if GB is conf scum to him.
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If Trfel is mafia here that was a ballsy play.
I mean he'd have had to bus Jock hardcore all day, saw two votes on himself, got cold feet and prepared that post to save Jock or something.
Meanwhile nurturing us with Jock-GB interactions so at least he appeared half-right.
Isn't Jock always mafia in this scenario?
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I looked at Trfel's read on Chez. One's on N2, the other is today.
It actually is consistent with the claim.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 04 2020 05:22 Trfel wrote:Finished lunch. On a computer now. Let me know if anyone wants to talk, I'll be on and off between this and schoolwork. Before RereadingTownVivax - Only other player who has been consistently present and trying to find mafia Maybe TownGrackaroni - Good thoughts on ShoCkeyy even if wrong, need to double check though Alakaslam - Seems like he is actually trying to solve the game Koshi - Effort, re-evaluating reads, trying to solve the game raynpelikoneet - Trying to solve the game, willing to work with people. Didn't make much of a fuss about ShoCkeyy getting lynched, need to re-evaluate this Maybe MafiaChezinu - Very distant, disinterested Jockmcplop - Hiding in the background, not posting original thoughts/reads GlowingBear - Scumreads feel fabricated, doesn't seem to care about them 9 players left. 6 v 3. After the night kill it'll be 5 v 3, so that makes it MYLO currently. Lousy position to be in On May 05 2020 06:50 Trfel wrote:TownChezinu Grackaroni Town?Vivax Koshi Mafia?Alakaslam MafiaJockmcplop GlowingBear
What doesn't make sense are these two posts:
On May 06 2020 12:10 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2020 12:04 Chezinu wrote:
ok, confession time...
Guys, I did not role check Grack. I just said he was town with a question mark because he acknowledge my role Day 1 and the mafia didn't kill me. Chezinu I really thought you were town
On May 06 2020 12:23 Trfel wrote:
But that means there's a blue who hasn't claimed, why?
Post 1 should never have happened if Chez was confirmed town for Trfel.
##Unvote
##Vote Trfel
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But wait. If it's Chez + Trfel, who the fuck is the third mafia? Has to be Koshi or Grack.
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On May 07 2020 03:45 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2020 03:43 Vivax wrote:
But wait. If it's Chez + Trfel, who the fuck is the third mafia? Has to be Koshi or Grack.
##Unvote Evil Vivax, you know I would have voted already if I was mafia.
No, you're just going to pile into the townie at the end. That's why you aren't committing.
I'll have to go with Trfel being town here, or everything I believed was wrong.
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You're here after all? What the fuck man
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On May 07 2020 03:59 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2020 03:43 Vivax wrote:
But wait. If it's Chez + Trfel, who the fuck is the third mafia? Has to be Koshi or Grack.
##Unvote Why is this even a reason to u vote? Why wouldnt it be one of us lol???
Fuck you for being scum
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On May 07 2020 04:54 Koshi wrote:
Still sad I voted with 3 mafia
We were way better off when we were lynching Jock.
Thanks for scumclaiming, I guess.
Keep the crocodile tears coming.
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GB is conf. scum and the roleblocker. Chez is town. Grack pocketed me hard if he's mafia, but he deserves to win just for that and being greenchecked, which is a tiny chance. I don't know what anyone else is. Going to bother with that after GB lynch.
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Town MVP without doubt goes to Trfel. There was a point where it felt like he saw through me, but also for Koshi. Not to mention he was onto Jock+GB before the track.
In TL mafia tradition, the town MVP got lynched before endgame.
I have deep regrets for my vote remaining on GB D1, but I slept through deadline there.
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On May 08 2020 04:35 ShoCkeyy wrote:When you started question me about what we talked about, I had some feeling it was you. No wonder you didn't want to talk. I would of figured you out :D
Had my hands full with D1, pretending to be Chezinu in a qt was too much for me to handle.
Really didn't want to be known as actually me masoned with a townie mason.
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On May 08 2020 10:19 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2020 08:47 Alakaslam wrote:On May 08 2020 08:05 Chezinu wrote:On May 08 2020 08:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:On May 08 2020 07:52 Chezinu wrote:
I didn't read the thread Day 1. I literally copy & pasted quotes from Powell into the thread. Every word a quote. Why didn't you save me? Should just claimed mason with me just to see Vivax reaction. I didn't read the thread at all. didn't know you were a mason. Seriously was busy in RL. I had a ton of papers to grade. So, the demotivated/disinterested read people got on me was true. I protected Vivax as default since he would likely get shot night 1 if he was town. !!! The chez is also a teacher? I have a PhD in Biomedical Engineering. I'm a director of an animal facility and teach as an instructor. This quarter I was not teaching my own course, but I was helping out other instructors with their classes. Giving a short lecture in their class or helping grade papers. I starting trolling on TL Mafia as a form of release from my super serious life when I was in undergrad (2008-2012). I was in grad school from 2012-2016. Me in person vs Chez. Two very different people. Although, I started to release the Chez that formed within in grad school amongst some close IRL friends as we joke around.
You're totally in a position where we can get some planet of the apes stuff going in 2020. Work hard.
Would like a wrap-up from Hapa btw.
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