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Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans.
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On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before?
The only people I believe I have not played with are Shockeyy, Jockmcplop and Grackaroni. I believe we have played together (maybe even on a scum team?), I have played lots with rayn, Vivax, Koshi, Chezinu and probably Alakaslam could go into that category as well. So Fecalfeast, Trfel (you) and GlowingBear are people I should've played already but my meta judgement would be seriously impractical here.
On April 29 2020 05:04 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:02 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player. I know he's played a bunch before, I've seen him around a bit before (forget where). The reason I ask is that he said he will be trying to make some meta reads, I'm curious if that's going to be based on previous game experience or if he intends on filter diving past games of unfamiliar players or what. I'm not a fan of that approach. Especially after not playing for so long.
I agree Vivax! Actually, if I were in a self-deprecating mood I'd probably state outright that I don't feel meta-competent right now.
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On April 29 2020 04:44 Alakaslam wrote:
SUP KURUMI U SKUM? WHAT KIND OF PM COLOR U GET EH
Oh, forgot to respond to this.
Brown.
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On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days?
Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today 
I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out.
So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about?
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On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF
I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead.
On April 29 2020 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player. shit i think we should kill him then
You want to butt heads, eh?  What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game?
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On April 29 2020 06:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game? so why did you ask me about this?
Sorry I'm responding this late, got a call from a friend.
Well, I got all bad vibes from this and wanted another pair of eyes on this. Someone declaring at the start of the game that they're going to be lazy feels like a setup for a future cop-out for why they're not putting the effort in.
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On April 29 2020 06:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And Trfel did not put effort in?
So far all they've done is asked questions, so far asking what does Slam think about them being lazy. Holy fluff batman.
On April 29 2020 06:59 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:20 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? The only people I believe I have not played with are Shockeyy, Jockmcplop and Grackaroni. I believe we have played together (maybe even on a scum team?), I have played lots with rayn, Vivax, Koshi, Chezinu and probably Alakaslam could go into that category as well. So Fecalfeast, Trfel (you) and GlowingBear are people I should've played already but my meta judgement would be seriously impractical here. On April 29 2020 05:04 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:02 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player. I know he's played a bunch before, I've seen him around a bit before (forget where). The reason I ask is that he said he will be trying to make some meta reads, I'm curious if that's going to be based on previous game experience or if he intends on filter diving past games of unfamiliar players or what. I'm not a fan of that approach. Especially after not playing for so long. I agree Vivax! Actually, if I were in a self-deprecating mood I'd probably state outright that I don't feel meta-competent right now. Fair enough, I didn't realize it was that many players. Thanks for explaining!
So why were you asking me about how I'm going to play this game, exactly?
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EDWOP:
(...) is asked questions, going so far as asking (...)
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On April 29 2020 07:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But that's not true, about Trfel only asking questions?
What do you mean? So far they've:
-started the game out by saying they're going to be lazy
-asked Alakaslam what does he mean with people giving excuses (see previous point, wut?)
-asked me how I'm going to play and fished for whether I checked out the player roster for past games and meta
-now questions GlowingBear about Vivax which is first "OK" thing.
I have no idea why you're pushing back on Trfel so much given that all I've done is cast some shade on them.
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On April 29 2020 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 07:48 Kurumi wrote:
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-asked me how I'm going to play and fished for whether I checked out the player roster for past games and meta
-now questions GlowingBear about Vivax which is first "OK" thing.
[...] See these are not "only asking questions" things. Regardless of that, i really liked his thought process on your "meta shenanigans" post. I am waiting to see what kind of meta reads you will cook up. You haven't played in what... three years? I also heavily dislike your approach towards me, because you seem to be thinking Trfel is not doing anything but asking useless questions, and i am not (before this) giving you pretty much anything on that front except for support on him for "no apparent reason". Why are you talking to me like there is nothing wrong in my behavior?
Fishing for how I'm committed to the game is not something I'm going to write up as "Town" in my book. Especially when someone declares that they're going to be less than committed. And as I've stated already in agreement to Vivax, me going for meta reads might not be the best course of action.
I am talking to you "like there is nothing wrong in your behaviour" because it is still early in the game and you might be going off one thing, like you've admitted. I also read your first post after "hi" as combative and wanted to know whether it is light-hearted or not, but you didn't acknowledge me asking about it. Besides, bringing more information into the thread is never wrong, especially when we establish connections people have to each other based on their reactions and interactions.
On April 29 2020 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
To be more clear; Is it normal for a guy who is mafia to say "hey i am gonna lurk and only be around mostly at time X", then question people and follow that up with ANYTHING?
Now i am not saying this CANT be mafia, but like... I think i tried slowwwwwwly try to get Kurumi off that thing in case he genuinely thought that was mafia behavior (in general i mean). I guess no luck, and i think that smells.
Oh come on Ray, what kind of reasoning is this? If anything, we should be concerned that someone that has shown less interest in the game changes their behaviour so fast. If that's the whole picture, that is.
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Slam, everyone, please don't spam post, it really doesn't help.
I decided to make a list for summary's sake and that we hopefully don't miss out something later.
No contribution so far:
Grackaroni (posted, but it is literally an introduction post and a youtube-link post)
Fecalfeast (admitted to not reading the thread)
Koshi (no posts at all)
Jockmcplop (no posts at all)
Chezinu (but talking Chezinu and contributing is a whole can of worms)
Low-effort/medium activity
Shockeyy (claims town and wanting to lead it, pings me through quoting Vivax, scumreads Alakaslam, notes that Trfel has played games back-to-back and understands their desire to be lazy)
Alakaslam (notes the cop-outs, pings me, claimed town, seemingly agrees with me, Vivax, torn about Trfel anyway)
GlowingBear (pings Vivax, then votes them without providing more reasoning, interacts with Trfel on basis of past games, although seemingly agrees with me, is interested in how Trfel is going to play)
Funnily enough, if someone were to put a gun to my head right now, I'd say all three are Town. That only means I at this moment lean Town more on them than Scum and it's flimsy enough to flip fast. If I were to pick the strongest town feel out of these three, it would be Slam because I liked him noticing the cop-outs and well, I like that he seems to agree with me
Active
Vivax (pinged me, wanted to interact with people and did, pressured Fecalfeast through a vote on good reasoning after I asked for who I should be looking into, most importantly, came to the exact same conclusions I have right now.)
Kurumi
Trfel
raynpelikoneet
I have no idea with which one of these two I should start. There's an obvious triangle between them and me - with them defending each-other and pushing me, but pushing me so lightly that they don't even commit to a vote. And they do all this for me JUST pinging Trfel. Never called Trfel scum. Never voted Trfel. That's a misrepresentation. But the moment I mention Trfel to rayn, he believes that Trfel has shown "effort" (they did not, as I outlined in a post of mine). After this, rayn declares I should be suspicious of him because of his defense of Trfel - to which I have replied already as well. I was. I know that rayn tunnel-visions a lot, but the play he's shown this game is outright bogus to me. Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. They go as far as literally reiterating rayn's previous point he made to me about how I should be suspicious of rayn and me not being suspicious of rayn is scummy. They also misrepresent me as saying "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy" which is wildly untrue. I expressed DOUBTS whether I can do that. Not that I can and will.
And you know what's the best thing ever in Trfel's posting?
On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote:
-snip-
However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious.
Amazing backpedal. So your plan from the start of the game was claim to be lazy and then call the first person to call you out scum? Because "mostly joking"? So not only you've lied about "being lazy" this game through your gameplay after I put some heat on you, you also admit it outright? Cool.
So, the only reason I'm voting Trfel over raynpelikoneet really is that I think Trfel has a role. I'd rather have a scum-with-role dead than a vanilla scum dead. Easy? Easy.
##vote Trfel
+ Show Spoiler [unofficial votecount] +
Fecalfeast - 0
Vivax
raynpelikoneet - 1
Vivax
Vivax - 1
GlowingBear
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On April 30 2020 00:16 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 00:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
Kurumi if you think this is spammy you would have hated it a couple years ago...
Shit more like 5 years ago Yea, I went from 40 players with about 20 page games to 10 players with 200+ pages, now its 10 with 70 pages, so not that bad anymore.
I do know. I've been part of this forum for 9 years now and did my fair share of spamming.
On April 29 2020 23:47 Jockmcplop wrote:alakaslam: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2020 10:09 Alakaslam wrote:
Gonna have to side with Kurumi on the logic train. Defend yourself, not others, even when scum. Because it be scummy until the town begins wearing trousers on their head. Then defense the ally. On April 29 2020 15:17 Alakaslam wrote:
Stuff getting really strangely simple. Like straight up people make excuse = they is scum.
If Vivax is right.
But it is funny, Trfel being more active than anyone else post excuse has me feeling townie on him even though it literally points scummier than before. Like, my head and my gut disagree I find these posts pretty scummy, like you want to agree with Kurumi but then want to back out for some reason. You seem so sure in one post and unsure in the next. Kurumi's logic train very much had to do with his suspicions on trfel and you seemed sure about it but then next thing you're like "yeah but maybe not." and that's it. Also, Kurumi's logic, I pointed out above why its bad logic. On the one hand, he says that all trfel has done is ask questions, but trfel's questions brought more information into the thread, which Kurumi says is 'never bad'. I don't think Kurumi is using consistent scumhunting logic here in going after trfel.
Trfel's questions were useless or bad. One they asked Alakaslam made absolutely no sense given that Trfel was one giving a cop-out. The way they questioned me about my opening post was not to make me introduce me into the game, but to learn how committed I am to the game. Why do they need to know how committed I am to the game? Well, it makes deciding how the N1 KP goes.
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EDWODP: (fuck again)
Well, it makes deciding how the N1 KP goes a lot easier.
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On April 30 2020 00:27 Jockmcplop wrote:-snip- Holy wall of text Batman. You also seem overdefensive in this post (for someone who doesn't have any votes on them.) Show nested quote +Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. Are you sure trfel was lying and didn't just get into the game more than he expected to?
Wall of text? You people don't do big list posts or case posts anymore?
As for the overdefensive comment, I'll take that as a good joke.
Why do they think they have to get into the game more when all that's happened is I pinged them out? Overdefensive much, huh?
On April 30 2020 00:42 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 00:27 Kurumi wrote:On April 30 2020 00:16 ShoCkeyy wrote:On April 30 2020 00:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
Kurumi if you think this is spammy you would have hated it a couple years ago...
Shit more like 5 years ago Yea, I went from 40 players with about 20 page games to 10 players with 200+ pages, now its 10 with 70 pages, so not that bad anymore. I do know. I've been part of this forum for 9 years now and did my fair share of spamming. On April 29 2020 23:47 Jockmcplop wrote:alakaslam: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2020 10:09 Alakaslam wrote:
Gonna have to side with Kurumi on the logic train. Defend yourself, not others, even when scum. Because it be scummy until the town begins wearing trousers on their head. Then defense the ally. On April 29 2020 15:17 Alakaslam wrote:
Stuff getting really strangely simple. Like straight up people make excuse = they is scum.
If Vivax is right.
But it is funny, Trfel being more active than anyone else post excuse has me feeling townie on him even though it literally points scummier than before. Like, my head and my gut disagree I find these posts pretty scummy, like you want to agree with Kurumi but then want to back out for some reason. You seem so sure in one post and unsure in the next. Kurumi's logic train very much had to do with his suspicions on trfel and you seemed sure about it but then next thing you're like "yeah but maybe not." and that's it. Also, Kurumi's logic, I pointed out above why its bad logic. On the one hand, he says that all trfel has done is ask questions, but trfel's questions brought more information into the thread, which Kurumi says is 'never bad'. I don't think Kurumi is using consistent scumhunting logic here in going after trfel. Trfel's questions were useless or bad. One they asked Alakaslam made absolutely no sense given that Trfel was one giving a cop-out. The way they questioned me about my opening post was not to make me introduce me into the game, but to learn how committed I am to the game. Why do they need to know how committed I am to the game? Well, it makes deciding how the N1 KP goes. I don't know whether to disagree with you or scumread you. I can't see how you've had such a reaction to rayn and trfel questioning how you started the game. You seem genuinely pissed off and i don't get why. Trfel's post is one that you see in about 70% of game openings and sometimes its a town post; sometimes its a mafia post, but you really can't tell from whether someone follows up on day 1 by being exactly as active as they said they would. I also really don't buy this theory that rayn and trfel are mafia coming after you for pinging trfel. Mafia are probably trying to hide or just watch right now. Maybe one of them is, but both, like this on day one? Nah -snip-
Then that's bad practice you allow it. It sets up a potential deflection with "well, gee I told you guys I'm not going to do much..." which only creates confusion in the discussion. Look at what's happened: I call out Trfel ever so slightly and rayn comes swinging at me for no reason, so deep to even implicate himself, but never pushing himself to vote, mostly attacking me instead of defending Trfel. Basically, discrediting me instead of committing to defending Trfel.
As for you comment to what Mafia is currently doing... why? You just voted Koshi, who's posted NOTHING besides promise of contributing for "pressure". He's pressured himself already a lot more than your vote did. And Shockeyy's. You're abandoning what's already developed in the thread to deflect onto one of the lurkers.
And what the fuck is this "Maybe one of them is, but both, like this on day one? Nah". WHY? So you scumread one of them? What is this sentence even?
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EDWODP: (...)
Then that's bad practice if you allow it.
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On April 30 2020 01:25 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 01:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 30 2020 01:22 Fecalfeast wrote:On April 30 2020 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 30 2020 00:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
Dislike rayns post on kurumi and i like kurumi so far
Shockckckckckeyyyy why is it a koshi mafia entrance and why did it take until jock voted for you to vote What do you dislike about my post? Real quick it seems based on your idea of what kurumi was thinking rather than what was said let me do a real post later Did you miss the part where Kurumi basically said that what i wrote is accurate?  sure its ip to debate if it makes him mafia or not but... lol Obviously i did miss that
Because it never happened. Or, at least until rayn shows where this has happened.
On April 30 2020 01:26 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 00:58 Kurumi wrote:
Wall of text? You people don't do big list posts or case posts anymore?
As for the overdefensive comment, I'll take that as a good joke.
Why do they think they have to get into the game more when all that's happened is I pinged them out? Overdefensive much, huh?
I meant wall of text as in you didn't press enter at all and it makes it harder to read. Show nested quote +Then that's bad practice you allow it. It sets up a potential deflection with "well, gee I told you guys I'm not going to do much..." which only creates confusion in the discussion. Look at what's happened: I call out Trfel ever so slightly and rayn comes swinging at me for no reason, so deep to even implicate himself, but never pushing himself to vote, mostly attacking me instead of defending Trfel. Meh. Most of the time posts like that come from town. Anywayit looks to me like rayn's just pressuring you to see what happens. As for trfel he could be mafia but he hasn't posted anything so far that makes me think he is. Show nested quote +As for you comment to what Mafia is currently doing... why? You just voted Koshi, who's posted NOTHING besides promise of contributing for "pressure". He's pressured himself already a lot more than your vote did. And Shockeyy's. You're abandoning what's already developed in the thread to deflect onto one of the lurkers. Clearly my tongue was in my cheek for that vote, hence the smiley and the fact that of course i don't just believe shockeyy that koshi made his mafia entrance, or even has a koshi style of mafia entrance.Show nested quote +And what the fuck is this "Maybe one of them is, but both, like this on day one? Nah". WHY? So you scumread one of them? What is this sentence even? I just don't think mafia would expose and align themselves that much as to both push you at the same time when nothing else has happened/is happening. I don't scumread either of them tbh.
Are you fucking with me or? I didn't press enter at all?
As for bolded, what the holiest of fuck. What?
And yes, scum do that, because it might be easy early to discredit someone in the thread or because they panic.
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On April 30 2020 01:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote + : if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. He was not, and lookiddy-look.
Then he lied in their first post and kept going with it to then defend themselves with "I was mostly joking". Even more of a reason to get rid of them.
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Reads go in, stocks go down, you can't explain that.
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On April 30 2020 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 01:31 Kurumi wrote:On April 30 2020 01:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: : if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. He was not, and lookiddy-look. Then he lied in their first post and kept going with it to then defend themselves with "I was mostly joking". Even more of a reason to get rid of them. Yes he did lie in his first post if you want to put it that way. That was not my argument. My argument was something else and completely valid. If you want to call me mafia at least try to find something from me rhat dowsnt make sense because you LITERALLY proved my concern was CORRECT at least content-wise.
I honestly don't understand you at all.
On April 30 2020 01:45 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 01:30 Kurumi wrote:On April 30 2020 01:25 Fecalfeast wrote:On April 30 2020 01:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 30 2020 01:22 Fecalfeast wrote:On April 30 2020 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 30 2020 00:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
Dislike rayns post on kurumi and i like kurumi so far
Shockckckckckeyyyy why is it a koshi mafia entrance and why did it take until jock voted for you to vote What do you dislike about my post? Real quick it seems based on your idea of what kurumi was thinking rather than what was said let me do a real post later Did you miss the part where Kurumi basically said that what i wrote is accurate? sure its ip to debate if it makes him mafia or not but... lol Obviously i did miss that Because it never happened. Or, at least until rayn shows where this has happened. On April 30 2020 01:26 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 30 2020 00:58 Kurumi wrote:
Wall of text? You people don't do big list posts or case posts anymore?
As for the overdefensive comment, I'll take that as a good joke.
Why do they think they have to get into the game more when all that's happened is I pinged them out? Overdefensive much, huh?
I meant wall of text as in you didn't press enter at all and it makes it harder to read. Then that's bad practice you allow it. It sets up a potential deflection with "well, gee I told you guys I'm not going to do much..." which only creates confusion in the discussion. Look at what's happened: I call out Trfel ever so slightly and rayn comes swinging at me for no reason, so deep to even implicate himself, but never pushing himself to vote, mostly attacking me instead of defending Trfel. Meh. Most of the time posts like that come from town. Anywayit looks to me like rayn's just pressuring you to see what happens. As for trfel he could be mafia but he hasn't posted anything so far that makes me think he is. As for you comment to what Mafia is currently doing... why? You just voted Koshi, who's posted NOTHING besides promise of contributing for "pressure". He's pressured himself already a lot more than your vote did. And Shockeyy's. You're abandoning what's already developed in the thread to deflect onto one of the lurkers. Clearly my tongue was in my cheek for that vote, hence the smiley and the fact that of course i don't just believe shockeyy that koshi made his mafia entrance, or even has a koshi style of mafia entrance.And what the fuck is this "Maybe one of them is, but both, like this on day one? Nah". WHY? So you scumread one of them? What is this sentence even? I just don't think mafia would expose and align themselves that much as to both push you at the same time when nothing else has happened/is happening. I don't scumread either of them tbh. Are you fucking with me or? I didn't press enter at all? As for bolded, what the holiest of fuck. What? And yes, scum do that, because it might be easy early to discredit someone in the thread or because they panic. Can you give your opinion on the bolded?
I already bolded and redded plop's name, do you want more? Plop's defending Rayn and Trfel, although seemingly "scumreading" one of them, doesn't believe two of them can be scum because it's day one and scum wouldn't defend themselves on day 1... and deflects onto you, a person without any posts besides a promise to contribute for "pressure" as I outlined in a previous post. After gets called out, backpedals, says it was a joke and then finally unvotes.
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On April 30 2020 14:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
Chezinu mafia i think is my last thought before bed time. I should be lucky enough to play before deadline
Yo, Chez, that's the first one, right?
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On April 30 2020 16:16 Chezinu wrote:
##Vote Koshi
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Am I missing something, Chez?
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Thank god, now we need jock to come out of the blue and vote me and this game has gone exactly how I thought it's going to go down yesterday.
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On May 01 2020 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nice that you decided to magically appear just now.
I waited until my lynch was more or less assured, I asked for a replacement 11 and half hours ago because I couldn't muster any interest to play this game. So to make sure you don't make me suffer another fucking cycle I decided to come and say hi. You mad?
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On May 01 2020 03:47 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 03:44 Kurumi wrote:On May 01 2020 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nice that you decided to magically appear just now. I waited until my lynch was more or less assured, I asked for a replacement 11 and half hours ago because I couldn't muster any interest to play this game. So to make sure you don't make me suffer another fucking cycle I decided to come and say hi. You mad? Why would your lynch be guaranteed? Nobody was actually hard scumreading you
That's literally why I'm getting lynched. You bunch basically foregone any scumreading and consolidating and decided that going for roflmaowagons in the last hour or two is the towniest game you can play.
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On May 01 2020 03:50 Fecalfeast wrote:
Can we kill shockey for not explaining wtf he means by scum has to be on gb
Two people up for lynch with equal votes, very easily swayed one way or another, most likely is the reasoning.
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On May 01 2020 03:51 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 03:49 Kurumi wrote:On May 01 2020 03:47 GlowingBear wrote:On May 01 2020 03:44 Kurumi wrote:On May 01 2020 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nice that you decided to magically appear just now. I waited until my lynch was more or less assured, I asked for a replacement 11 and half hours ago because I couldn't muster any interest to play this game. So to make sure you don't make me suffer another fucking cycle I decided to come and say hi. You mad? Why would your lynch be guaranteed? Nobody was actually hard scumreading you That's literally why I'm getting lynched. You bunch basically foregone any scumreading and consolidating and decided that going for roflmaowagons in the last hour or two is the towniest game you can play. Kurumi, this doesn't make sense, you were not being scumread most of the game. If there is a wagon forming on you, you can expect that there's at least one mafia going after you, don't you? Who would you like to vote?
I was being soft pushed entire game by double chainsawing Trfel and Ryan.
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On May 01 2020 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do people so hard want to ruin the game every single fucking time i am town?
Yeah, I ask those questions myself every time people fuxking quintuple post with one liners in span of 10 minutes.
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On May 01 2020 03:54 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 03:53 Kurumi wrote:On May 01 2020 03:51 GlowingBear wrote:On May 01 2020 03:49 Kurumi wrote:On May 01 2020 03:47 GlowingBear wrote:On May 01 2020 03:44 Kurumi wrote:On May 01 2020 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nice that you decided to magically appear just now. I waited until my lynch was more or less assured, I asked for a replacement 11 and half hours ago because I couldn't muster any interest to play this game. So to make sure you don't make me suffer another fucking cycle I decided to come and say hi. You mad? Why would your lynch be guaranteed? Nobody was actually hard scumreading you That's literally why I'm getting lynched. You bunch basically foregone any scumreading and consolidating and decided that going for roflmaowagons in the last hour or two is the towniest game you can play. Kurumi, this doesn't make sense, you were not being scumread most of the game. If there is a wagon forming on you, you can expect that there's at least one mafia going after you, don't you? Who would you like to vote? I was being soft pushed entire game by double chainsawing Trfel and Ryan. But we're mafia aren't we? Isn't that the kind of thing we are supposed to do?
Indeed.
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On May 01 2020 03:56 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 03:53 Kurumi wrote:On May 01 2020 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do people so hard want to ruin the game every single fucking time i am town? Yeah, I ask those questions myself every time people fuxking quintuple post with one liners in span of 10 minutes. How long has it been since you played that's just how it's been forever
Stop schooling me since you've admitted multiple times to come into the thread without reading it.
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Funny how no one ever had problems with me being the first person to sit on jock and even scum read him. I guess that post required TL Mafia Premium to read.
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the trfel lynch was fucking lol
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On May 08 2020 04:08 Vivax wrote:THAT TRFEL LYNCH LOL
I can't believe it wasn't a mafiastack. This game should be scrubbed off this forum.
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On May 08 2020 04:11 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2020 04:10 Kurumi wrote:On May 08 2020 04:08 Vivax wrote:THAT TRFEL LYNCH LOL I can't believe it wasn't a mafiastack. This game should be scrubbed off this forum. Mafia did a great job to confuse town. Especial shotout to Vivax for his outstanding mafia play.
While winning so fast as a Mafia team is commendable no doubt, you and Jock were dead if Town had another chance. D1 lynch wasn't decided by you, D2 lynch wasn't decided by you and holy shit the D3 lynch wasn't decided by you either.
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On May 08 2020 04:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2020 04:13 Kurumi wrote:On May 08 2020 04:11 GlowingBear wrote:On May 08 2020 04:10 Kurumi wrote:On May 08 2020 04:08 Vivax wrote:THAT TRFEL LYNCH LOL I can't believe it wasn't a mafiastack. This game should be scrubbed off this forum. Mafia did a great job to confuse town. Especial shotout to Vivax for his outstanding mafia play. While winning so fast as a Mafia team is commendable no doubt, you and Jock were dead if Town had another chance. D1 lynch wasn't decided by you, D2 lynch wasn't decided by you and holy shit the D3 lynch wasn't decided by you either. I think scum would have still won in the end, even if Trfel had properly gotten off his lynch. I don't think anyone would've ever been able to connect Vivax to Jock/GB without some real effort if both of the latter two had flipped red.
That is true, but Mafia would have to fight with 3 confirmed Towns (Chezinu, Grack and Koshi) so it'd be between Vivax and Slam nonetheless.
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On May 08 2020 04:18 Alakaslam wrote:
The kurumi lynch was the worst from my perspective.
Why Trfel hung onto his info so long and then dumped it later... he needed to relax with the fear. If he hadn’t said anything, no one would have tried to lynch him but me and jock. If I had seen a massive vote swap, obviously I’d change my vote and the st would probably have given themselves away.
You had a scum suspect since D1, who still wasn't really off the hook D2 on one side and a un-cc'd Tracked who confirmed Chezinu as Town PR, probably cleared Koshi and had a scum check on the other side of the lynch....
wack
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On May 08 2020 04:21 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2020 04:13 Kurumi wrote:On May 08 2020 04:11 GlowingBear wrote:On May 08 2020 04:10 Kurumi wrote:On May 08 2020 04:08 Vivax wrote:THAT TRFEL LYNCH LOL I can't believe it wasn't a mafiastack. This game should be scrubbed off this forum. Mafia did a great job to confuse town. Especial shotout to Vivax for his outstanding mafia play. While winning so fast as a Mafia team is commendable no doubt, you and Jock were dead if Town had another chance. D1 lynch wasn't decided by you, D2 lynch wasn't decided by you and holy shit the D3 lynch wasn't decided by you either. You underestimate the ability of getting town confused. No one in this game had the 3 mafia guessed right, neither had the obs qt. Even if I and jock died, Vivax would have solo'ed this game easily.
As I posted earlier, it was Vivax vs Slam against all confirmed Town if Jock gets lynched properly instead of Trfel. So no "easy" out.
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On May 08 2020 04:25 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2020 04:20 Kurumi wrote:On May 08 2020 04:18 Alakaslam wrote:
The kurumi lynch was the worst from my perspective.
Why Trfel hung onto his info so long and then dumped it later... he needed to relax with the fear. If he hadn’t said anything, no one would have tried to lynch him but me and jock. If I had seen a massive vote swap, obviously I’d change my vote and the st would probably have given themselves away. You had a scum suspect since D1, who still wasn't really off the hook D2 on one side and a un-cc'd Tracked who confirmed Chezinu as Town PR, probably cleared Koshi and had a scum check on the other side of the lynch.... wack Ok, but 1. IRL wiped 20+ pages from my memory so it didnt look like that to me at all 2. He should have claimed the check immediately. He valued his blue role so highly that he wifomed the town; more experienced players than I have pointed out that overvaluing a role is cancer in many ways and that was one of them. 3. GB had an excellent point in light of that. After all, I was not scum and therefore thought he could be town. I had highly favored your early opinions and those were the part of the game I remembered.
When I was posting my list-post I really did not want to list Vivax as Town because I knew that if there's one person to trick me, be active and steer the thread, it's going to be Vivax. I decided to paint him as Town to buddy-buddy a little, make him sleep on me...
But I got mad. And useless.
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On May 08 2020 04:27 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2020 04:24 Kurumi wrote:On May 08 2020 04:21 GlowingBear wrote:On May 08 2020 04:13 Kurumi wrote:On May 08 2020 04:11 GlowingBear wrote:On May 08 2020 04:10 Kurumi wrote:On May 08 2020 04:08 Vivax wrote:THAT TRFEL LYNCH LOL I can't believe it wasn't a mafiastack. This game should be scrubbed off this forum. Mafia did a great job to confuse town. Especial shotout to Vivax for his outstanding mafia play. While winning so fast as a Mafia team is commendable no doubt, you and Jock were dead if Town had another chance. D1 lynch wasn't decided by you, D2 lynch wasn't decided by you and holy shit the D3 lynch wasn't decided by you either. You underestimate the ability of getting town confused. No one in this game had the 3 mafia guessed right, neither had the obs qt. Even if I and jock died, Vivax would have solo'ed this game easily. As I posted earlier, it was Vivax vs Slam against all confirmed Town if Jock gets lynched properly instead of Trfel. So no "easy" out. And Vivax would never me lynched over Slam, so, yeah. You're basically saying that town could've win because of mechanics. You're taking off all the merits of the scum team.
Vivax would be left with people most likely to kill him - Chezinu and Koshi. Slam would probably follow
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And to be honest, I'll self-impose a three game ban on myself for this. If not for my shit it'd be a different game.
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On May 08 2020 04:58 Trfel wrote:Nah I'm sorry Kurumi, that was my fault. I knew it was a bad lynch, I just didn't have any better ideas because I'm absolutely awful on Day 1. I'm sure I would have been able to turn around and townread you if you had not died on Day 1. My sincerest apologies, that wasn't your fault at all. Sorry town  I tried to explain why I did what I did in my large post, I didn't think I'd have to defend myself much so the important parts for my own defense I put in a spoiler at the bottom that never seemed to get read I was trying to avoid claiming because I was certain Jockmcplop was mafia and I was hoping to get one more track action off. I would have tracked Alakaslam, which if it had all worked out, would have been really helpful in trying to realize that Alakaslam was town after all. I ended up claiming when it looked like we were going to not lynch Jockmcplop at End of Day, it had nothing to do with the suspicion on myself. Also just very disappointed that I claimed with two hours until End of Day and everyone sat there and only started being suspicious with one hour until End of Day, when I had to leave, exactly like I said I would, but everyone knew that mafia would only try to do something during that time. I don't think it would have gone down that way if I had been present and able to post. I just feel really awful, that's 2/3 of my last town games I've been a blue role and managed to get lynched anyway So much for my former unlynchable self Sorry again.
And as for D1... I should've played better, that's it. It's on me.
Don't beat yourself for dying on D3, it literally was an unthinkable thing to happen.
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On May 08 2020 06:14 Hapahauli wrote:
Anyone interested in some post-game analysis/commentary? I can type something up tonight. Open to suggestions as to format (player grades, mafia analysis, game themes, etc.).
Do awards too!
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On May 08 2020 06:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For real. If you replace out shut the fuck up and replace out and dont pull shit like that regardless of if youre being voted for or not.
Do you want an honest discussion about this and figure something out for the future? Because rules-wise, the only rule I might've broken would be playing to win, which funnily enough, was one of the rules I did not want to break through replacing out.
I admit that my decision to do what I did was absolutely based in emotion, but in my defense I was sure you and Trfel are Mafia (Jock too) and Town literally did not read my post and read whatever paraphrases you put in your posts as what I wrote. After effort I put into the game not only I was ignored, I somehow ended up as a lynchee in the last hour of the game without me posting anything for what, 20 hours? I was not even scumread by people and my wagon was equal in votes to GlowingBear. I was so tunnelled and so mad it affected my thread reading - I really did not want to let go. Maybe if I did, maybe if I cared about my life and possibility of deflecting lots of suspicion with voting GB last minute (whom I did not consider Mafia then) I would just say fuck it and ran away with my life.
But, I didn't want to play. I also did not post so whatever person doesn't have to deal with whatever shit people would try to pin on me so they'd have an easier way to convince people they are town and contribute.
I wanted to avoid having an outburst in the thread. It would not help Town, it would not help with relations between us out of the game for which I care. Hell, I wanted and did talk to you because I like you personally and I know you're a good mafia player. I was flabbergasted by your play and there was no one to talk me out of it.
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On May 08 2020 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you basically replaced out for your own or your teams gain. And even fucked that up. I dont think i wanna play another game with you, however i like you as a person a lot Kurumi.
That's sad to hear, given that's what I wanted to avoid all this time, but I guess that's fair.
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On May 08 2020 07:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can explain it better tomorrow when i am on computer.
I'm happy that you're willing to talk to me, really. Take your time and thanks.
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On May 09 2020 23:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2020 10:50 GlowingBear wrote:On May 09 2020 00:40 Hapahauli wrote:
Got swamped at work - I'll type up the rest later :/ ![[image loading]](https://media.giphy.com/media/9SIXFu7bIUYHhFc19G/giphy.gif) Trfel, remember I said I've changed my playstyle? Look at this case I've built in 2014 + Show Spoiler + HOLYFLARE IS MAFIA! FULL CASE 1) Entrance+ Show Spoiler +On December 09 2014 08:16 Holyflare wrote:
Here's how it's going to roll. This game has a cap on posts so if you start the game with usual joke crap and useless things like rng that you don't follow through with then I'm going to deem you irresponsible and not worthy of being listened to this game. I've rolled town, I'm going to save my posts instead of being usual and chatty and just come up with my usual list of who to lynch and who to never lynch so that when I get nk'd you can just follow it.
Get rekt mafia His entrance is bad. He says obvious things like saving posts because of post cap (which is a big cap, by the way, you can waste some posts). He then says he will ignore people that wastes posts. The problem is: he calls Templar out for the RNG thing but does not take any stance regarding it. He is also okay to ignore a thing that in a game with post cap could be considered a scum trait. Then he says the obvious thing about not wasting posts. This means (A) his entrance is a waste of post itself for not taking any stance and saying the obvious, (B) he is okay to ignore scum traits. Why this comes from a mafia: this is just a post to try looking contributive while being noncomittal and fluffy. This is also a pre-excuse to overlook any scummy people who are wasting their posts. ********************************************************************************************* 2)Froggynoddy's entranceFroggynoddy's entrance is bad. It is. On December 09 2014 08:20 froggynoddy wrote:
Gogogo.
RNG sounds pretty silly. Though at least it would create some content and stop people from lurking.
On the subject of lurking. having not played in a while... when I did play, town usually spent Day 1 arguing on whether to lynch lurkers, I assume this is still the case. I have to go to bed now (work in the morning) but pre-empting this topic lets just cut to the chase and all agree nicely that policy lynching is stupid, however in the absence of a decent slip to go on, lurkers are the best of bad lynch options.
+ Show Spoiler [If you have no idea why his entrance i…] +
This entrance is bad because mafia tends to have a hard time to introduce themselves into the game. They will try to sound serious, to sound committal, so they look like they're town. Under this perspective:
"Gogogo" is completely forced.
Lynching lurkers wasn't being a trend in the topic but he says that policy lynchings are stupid and we shouldn't discuss it. The thread wasn't discussing. So, unnecessary to bring this up. By saying that we shouldn't discuss it, he starts a discussion towards it. But that's not the only problem. In the end of his sentence he ASSUMES it is ok to go against lurkers LOLOLOLOL.
Why this comes from mafia? As I've already said, mafia will try to look contributive, so this is just him trying look townie by saying something very easy to say as mafia. Worse, he then contradicts himself saying that it is okay to lynch lurkers under the lack of good target, which makes his policy-talking shit a waste of post. It is also a pre-excuse if he chooses to lynch lurkers later in the day, so he won't take responsibility for it
Holyflare picks on it in a timid way: + Show Spoiler +On December 09 2014 08:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 08:20 froggynoddy wrote:
Gogogo.
RNG sounds pretty silly. Though at least it would create some content and stop people from lurking.
On the subject of lurking. having not played in a while... when I did play, town usually spent Day 1 arguing on whether to lynch lurkers, I assume this is still the case. I have to go to bed now (work in the morning) but pre-empting this topic lets just cut to the chase and all agree nicely that policy lynching is stupid, however in the absence of a decent slip to go on, lurkers are the best of bad lynch options.
So what you're saying is policy lynches are terrible but if it all goes sour you want to policy lynch?? So he also thinks this post is bad. Bunnies and Vivax, however, have different opinions: + Show Spoiler +On December 09 2014 08:32 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@ Slam
@ Damdred
Didn't HF basically do just the same thing? Except more of he came into the thread with "Omgerd we have cap posts. Im town, follow me later" and then leaves.
And yet, Damdred, you have him as town for basically a shit post?
While I agree, people talking about policy lynching and lurkers seem off, he seems just an easy target for people to scum read because of that. On December 09 2014 08:35 Vivax wrote:
What froggy said is simple common sense but also something that never matters cause at the end of the day it's mostly some scummy looking person getting lynched.
I don't see it as scummy, just as something useless to talk about which isn't scummy at this stage of the game.
The biggest accusation you could make is that he's so serious in a setting where people are kinda joking, but that's not enough to go with in my book. It's more like he's annoyed that people are discussing policies when in past games it always led to that statement of his making the most sense.
Null for me. Notice that the basis of their argument is similar: it's a very easy target for scum. Then Holyflare comes with this very opportunistic post: On December 09 2014 08:37 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 08:32 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@ Slam
@ Damdred
Didn't HF basically do just the same thing? Except more of he came into the thread with "Omgerd we have cap posts. Im town, follow me later" and then leaves.
And yet, Damdred, you have him as town for basically a shit post?
While I agree, people talking about policy lynching and lurkers seem off, he seems just an easy target for people to scum read because of that. I'm still here and haven't made an excuse about leaving? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying in bold at all though. It's one thing to talk about policy but this is showing that first and foremost you did not read his post because: A) he wrote about not policy lynching lirkers because it's bad And B) he wrote about agreeing to policy lynch lurkers And secondly you are defending a person that "is an easy target to be scum read" when that person has done genuinely scummy things and you are brushing it off
##vote 27ninjabunnies
Enjoy your date Why this comes from a mafiaSee, why does Holyflare doesn't attack Vivax for using the same argument? Why does he completely ignore Vivax and goes shit aggressive against bunnies? Why doesn't he even do that against froggy, the contradictory one? Because bunnies will turn into an easy lynch and the others may be (I SAID MAY BE) his scum partners. Holyflare even ended lynching bunnies. Then says that people outside the NB wagon are scummy, including froggy. But he makes NO ATTEMPT to discover his alignment. He is just pushing his own agenda, without even considering solving the game. He just says someone is scum and pushes it. Putting it in a simpler way: he says what town agenda is (looking to the wasted votes), but goes against his own agenda (pushing ritoky in a timid way) ********************************************************************************************* 3) Odd final count analysis and lack of push on town agenda+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2014 13:08 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2014 12:41 ritoky wrote:On December 11 2014 12:33 Holyflare wrote:
you're literally saying right here in the thread that the fact that I updated my read with my own tidbits + what other people had said makes me mafia? ahahahaha how many posts do you think bunnies made in that time frame? 1000? how many posts do I have to spend in a post limited game explaining things that other people are saying + adding my own things on? also the stuff that I said kita mentioned I fleshed out more in that post so it was actually my original thoughts and not just the bolded which you seem to imply it is
also, her points on kelsier were crap, the fact that I'm starting to scum read him now is totally irrelevant to her case being crap at all because it purely involves her flipping town and the stuff he said previous to her flipping
I find it hard to believe you could believe anything you are typing at all. she made 3 pages worth of posts, actually, so yes she made quite a few. I believe that's over 40 posts to respond to, so your exaggerating and laughing, but actually you're just lying and implying she didn't post a lot or a lot of substance. if she is your top scum read, 3 posts to push and develop your read seems shallow at best; especially with your standards. hell you devoted the same or more posts in the same time frame to reading vivax, kels, and xat; who you didn't push on at all. and i disagree that any of what you said regarding kita's stuff is original, it is all sheep. further as town you are one of the largest proponents of using your vote as a means of pressuring people into giving information, and you felt perfectly fine leaving it on a town. like you're just plain mafia. So you're saying that even though I spent 2-3 pages of filter PREVIOUSLY talking about bunnies all game the fact that I only spent a few long posts on her LATER when she had only posted like a page or less since I left with a lot of fluff in it makes me mafia? Why are you using the the latter half of the game to justify a read on me that should span the whole game? Have you even bothered to check the timestamps of when I've been around, I was sick all day and literally posted as much as I could on as many people I could in the time frame that I've been here (without trying to devolve into spammyness) I can't believe you'd ever make this read as town. Ever. It literally shows no progression of thought process at all and is a rough job of a case that is based on falsities twisted to fit your narrative. There is no way on this planet that a town ritoky would make this case. Just like the case you made on LS using exclusively meta reads. None of these things you are saying make anyone scum yet you're pushing them so vehemently that it's making YOU look scummy instead. I hope someone shoots this guy (ritoky) btw. Show nested quote +On December 11 2014 12:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay Oatsmaster I got a Null read on him due to him not as much as he did on his town games but I guess the limit on the post number on each persons filter making try to conserve his posts a lot more than normal he did have some nice questions but he also made a weird call on Vivax being scum so idk what the true nature of his read on him is.
KSC I got him scum right now since most of his posts were more fluff than anything and he didn't ask good questions except once towards me but he also had a I told you so attitude on the lynch of 27ninja before the lynch which one of the scum members in the Campus Mafia game said about me when I was getting lynched kind of tells me he is scum at this point.
I dunno about oats anymore. My point on him was made kinda moot by xata so he's really just a ?. Don't like his wasted vote on vivax after saying he looked towny at all though. In fact there were a LOT of wasted votes. ritoky (1): 27ninjabunnies, kushm4sta, Fecalfeast27ninjabunnies (10): batsnacks, The_Templar, Fecalfeast, Holyflare, batsnacks, Half the Sky, sicklucker, kitaman27, liancourt, Vivax, Koshi, Alakaslam, Xatalos, Tubesock, Tubesock, Trfel Half the Sky (0): batsnacks, Xatalos, KoshiThe_Templar (2): GlowingBear, froggynoddy sicklucker (0): rsoultin, ObiWanShinobiObiWanShinobi (0): rsoultinVivax (1): Oatsmaster LightningStrike (0): ritoky, Alakaslamsicklucker (0): LightningStrikeliancourt (0): LightningStrikeGlowingBear (1): Damdred Fecalfeast (3): ritoky, LoneMeow, KelsierSC KelsierSC (3): The_Templar, 27ninjabunnies, LightningStrike, Alakaslam Xatalos (4): ObiWanShinobi, Vivax, Fecalfeast, rsoultin, Tubesockfroggynoddy (1): Half the Sky kush, gb, froggy, oats, damd, ritoky, lonemeow, kelsiersc, ls, slam, obi, vivax, fecal, rsoul, htsgonna check out all of those filters at some point to see their views on bunnies and why they weren't on her/what they were doing, kinda bad to still be on xata after he kinda adequately explained every accusation against him tbh and those rogue 1 and 2 voters that are on targets that were barely ever pushed at all (gb, froggy, hts) look terrible A good way to catch mafia is looking at who wasted their votes on the final votecount of a day. This looks like an attempt to do that. But, you see, he oddly points out EVERY other person outside the main wagon, which is NOT a reasonable thing, specially when we are talking about such strong player as Holyflare. Following his logic, me, frog and hts looks terrible. This is him stablishing the town agenda. In fact, our wasted votes looks terrible. Reminder: he didn't like froggynoddy's entrance either. But look at how inconsistent is his play: he stablishes town agenda, but pushes his own agenda (pushing ritoky). He does NOTHING to see these 3 people's alignment. He is NOT interested in these 3 people's alignment. He is just interested to look like an aggressive townie pushing ritoky, but he is actually not trying to solve the game. He is not trying to discover ritoky's alignment. He is just pushing for the sake of pushing someone. Why this comes from a mafia?: Mafia tends to look contributive but lacks the town intention for solving the game. He simply displays 3 names people should take a look at but does not go after those names. He is disinterested in solving the game, to discover people's alignment. That's not a townie. A townie would go against those 3 names he spoke of. He just posted this analysis because he wants to look contributive. ********************************************************************************************* 4)Town read on froggynoddyWhen I noticed these patterns, I inquired him for reads on froggynoddy and Vivax. This is his response: + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2014 10:21 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 10:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Holyflare
Your reads on froggynoddy and vivax, please. I have no idea how this is relevant in the slightest when I've made it pretty clear who i think mafia are. Either way, froggy is a kindaaaa towny/i dunno read. He writes quite long posts to say not much but I dunno how to explain that I don't want to lynch him other than saying his posts look innocent enough and to the point. He also wanted people to talk to him about his templar read that he's been pushing around the deadline which was cool and I kinda regret not talking to him more, he also said something around the bunnies lynch which i forget that made it seem like he was actually thinking about the game. I wouldn't say it's particularly difficult stuff to post as mafia but it seems pretty genuine to me. Vivax has been pushing people that I agree look scummy (- xatalos) but his reasons for doing it look like he's putting in the effort to find out inconsistencies. After a few games where we've been wrong on each other I think we've just resorted to ignoring the other and are just gonna base it on overall play. Well I am anyway. Not really bothered to elaborate further. You see, he was scumreading froggy noddy, said he looked terrible by his wasted vote, BUT CALLS HIM TOWN WHEN ASKED FOR A READ. This is someone who is NOT consistent with his reads. This is someone who gives fabricated reads and forgets them, or someone who doesn't want to scumread a possible partner. I know for a fact that Holyflare does this a lot. He scumreads a partner to further townread him. Remember: HE HAD NO ATTEMPT TO DISCOVER FROGGY'S ALIGNMENT. He started having this townread on him out of nothing, which is completely scummy. I'm sure you can understand mafia motivation behind it. ********************************************************************************************* 5) Scumread on me This is hilarious. I want you to check these two posts regarding me, from the most recent to the oldest: + Show Spoiler +On December 13 2014 08:29 Holyflare wrote:
I can only assume someone pushing so much false information is mafia. Much like ritoky who even when presented with multiple pieces of evidence to show that his meta was wrong continued to push his scum read on me. Not to mention his initial contradictory stance on how he has a super solid meta read on me but was fooled last game even though he said that meta read existed then too. Glad to see absolutely nobody in this game is paying attention to that. On December 10 2014 00:11 Holyflare wrote:
2 people haven't posted in this game at all yet, useful -.-
Oats, your post on vivax is wrong and your post refuting that wasn't in any english I could understand.
Ls looks not bad to me, dunno why people are hating on him giving all the meta when loads of other people do the same. Ritoky seems angry for some reason because of this??
Obi still being useless, just because he was useless last game (russian) as town doesn't stop him being able to be useless this game as mafia. It just means he's useless which increases the odds of him being mafia.
Kush.. Meh will resolve itself i think
Gb hasn't really done anything but hasn't done anything outrageously wrong like I'd expect him to as town but his picking on solely koshi and like nothing else is wearing thin and is pretty scummy
I dunno feel kinda iffy about hts after reading the things about kush feels a bit too flippant
New list oats, obi, (gb?) bunnies
Mehhhhbe/mehhhhbe not: hts, kush
HAHAHA HE SAYS IT'S A TOWN TRAIT FOR ME FOR BEING OUTRAGEOUSLY WRONG, BUT WHEN HE THINKS I'M OUTRAGEOUSLY WRONG THE SCUMREADS ME. This is the most inconsistent thing I have ever seen. He didn't scumread me because I acted scummy. He scumread me because he felt I was getting close to him. He is trying to discredit me and to survive, and not to figure out my alignment. Town perspective would be evaluate my action and figure out my alignment for something he already knows about my gameplay. Mafia perspective is "I'm getting caught, I have to make this guy look bad" ##VOTE: HOLYFLARE RIGHT NOW!!!! Full case with added spoilers on some quotations to make it more readable Yeah. ROFL. Also, we should repeat that game's setup. It was very good. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells I wish we could get enough people for a full mafia game again...
did someone say "is policy lynching lurkers the right way to go forward"?
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On May 09 2020 23:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2020 23:54 Kurumi wrote:On May 09 2020 23:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On May 09 2020 10:50 GlowingBear wrote:On May 09 2020 00:40 Hapahauli wrote:
Got swamped at work - I'll type up the rest later :/ Trfel, remember I said I've changed my playstyle? Look at this case I've built in 2014 + Show Spoiler + HOLYFLARE IS MAFIA! FULL CASE 1) Entrance+ Show Spoiler +On December 09 2014 08:16 Holyflare wrote:
Here's how it's going to roll. This game has a cap on posts so if you start the game with usual joke crap and useless things like rng that you don't follow through with then I'm going to deem you irresponsible and not worthy of being listened to this game. I've rolled town, I'm going to save my posts instead of being usual and chatty and just come up with my usual list of who to lynch and who to never lynch so that when I get nk'd you can just follow it.
Get rekt mafia His entrance is bad. He says obvious things like saving posts because of post cap (which is a big cap, by the way, you can waste some posts). He then says he will ignore people that wastes posts. The problem is: he calls Templar out for the RNG thing but does not take any stance regarding it. He is also okay to ignore a thing that in a game with post cap could be considered a scum trait. Then he says the obvious thing about not wasting posts. This means (A) his entrance is a waste of post itself for not taking any stance and saying the obvious, (B) he is okay to ignore scum traits. Why this comes from a mafia: this is just a post to try looking contributive while being noncomittal and fluffy. This is also a pre-excuse to overlook any scummy people who are wasting their posts. ********************************************************************************************* 2)Froggynoddy's entranceFroggynoddy's entrance is bad. It is. On December 09 2014 08:20 froggynoddy wrote:
Gogogo.
RNG sounds pretty silly. Though at least it would create some content and stop people from lurking.
On the subject of lurking. having not played in a while... when I did play, town usually spent Day 1 arguing on whether to lynch lurkers, I assume this is still the case. I have to go to bed now (work in the morning) but pre-empting this topic lets just cut to the chase and all agree nicely that policy lynching is stupid, however in the absence of a decent slip to go on, lurkers are the best of bad lynch options.
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This entrance is bad because mafia tends to have a hard time to introduce themselves into the game. They will try to sound serious, to sound committal, so they look like they're town. Under this perspective:
"Gogogo" is completely forced.
Lynching lurkers wasn't being a trend in the topic but he says that policy lynchings are stupid and we shouldn't discuss it. The thread wasn't discussing. So, unnecessary to bring this up. By saying that we shouldn't discuss it, he starts a discussion towards it. But that's not the only problem. In the end of his sentence he ASSUMES it is ok to go against lurkers LOLOLOLOL.
Why this comes from mafia? As I've already said, mafia will try to look contributive, so this is just him trying look townie by saying something very easy to say as mafia. Worse, he then contradicts himself saying that it is okay to lynch lurkers under the lack of good target, which makes his policy-talking shit a waste of post. It is also a pre-excuse if he chooses to lynch lurkers later in the day, so he won't take responsibility for it
Holyflare picks on it in a timid way: + Show Spoiler +On December 09 2014 08:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 08:20 froggynoddy wrote:
Gogogo.
RNG sounds pretty silly. Though at least it would create some content and stop people from lurking.
On the subject of lurking. having not played in a while... when I did play, town usually spent Day 1 arguing on whether to lynch lurkers, I assume this is still the case. I have to go to bed now (work in the morning) but pre-empting this topic lets just cut to the chase and all agree nicely that policy lynching is stupid, however in the absence of a decent slip to go on, lurkers are the best of bad lynch options.
So what you're saying is policy lynches are terrible but if it all goes sour you want to policy lynch?? So he also thinks this post is bad. Bunnies and Vivax, however, have different opinions: + Show Spoiler +On December 09 2014 08:32 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@ Slam
@ Damdred
Didn't HF basically do just the same thing? Except more of he came into the thread with "Omgerd we have cap posts. Im town, follow me later" and then leaves.
And yet, Damdred, you have him as town for basically a shit post?
While I agree, people talking about policy lynching and lurkers seem off, he seems just an easy target for people to scum read because of that. On December 09 2014 08:35 Vivax wrote:
What froggy said is simple common sense but also something that never matters cause at the end of the day it's mostly some scummy looking person getting lynched.
I don't see it as scummy, just as something useless to talk about which isn't scummy at this stage of the game.
The biggest accusation you could make is that he's so serious in a setting where people are kinda joking, but that's not enough to go with in my book. It's more like he's annoyed that people are discussing policies when in past games it always led to that statement of his making the most sense.
Null for me. Notice that the basis of their argument is similar: it's a very easy target for scum. Then Holyflare comes with this very opportunistic post: On December 09 2014 08:37 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 08:32 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@ Slam
@ Damdred
Didn't HF basically do just the same thing? Except more of he came into the thread with "Omgerd we have cap posts. Im town, follow me later" and then leaves.
And yet, Damdred, you have him as town for basically a shit post?
While I agree, people talking about policy lynching and lurkers seem off, he seems just an easy target for people to scum read because of that. I'm still here and haven't made an excuse about leaving? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying in bold at all though. It's one thing to talk about policy but this is showing that first and foremost you did not read his post because: A) he wrote about not policy lynching lirkers because it's bad And B) he wrote about agreeing to policy lynch lurkers And secondly you are defending a person that "is an easy target to be scum read" when that person has done genuinely scummy things and you are brushing it off
##vote 27ninjabunnies
Enjoy your date Why this comes from a mafiaSee, why does Holyflare doesn't attack Vivax for using the same argument? Why does he completely ignore Vivax and goes shit aggressive against bunnies? Why doesn't he even do that against froggy, the contradictory one? Because bunnies will turn into an easy lynch and the others may be (I SAID MAY BE) his scum partners. Holyflare even ended lynching bunnies. Then says that people outside the NB wagon are scummy, including froggy. But he makes NO ATTEMPT to discover his alignment. He is just pushing his own agenda, without even considering solving the game. He just says someone is scum and pushes it. Putting it in a simpler way: he says what town agenda is (looking to the wasted votes), but goes against his own agenda (pushing ritoky in a timid way) ********************************************************************************************* 3) Odd final count analysis and lack of push on town agenda+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2014 13:08 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2014 12:41 ritoky wrote:On December 11 2014 12:33 Holyflare wrote:
you're literally saying right here in the thread that the fact that I updated my read with my own tidbits + what other people had said makes me mafia? ahahahaha how many posts do you think bunnies made in that time frame? 1000? how many posts do I have to spend in a post limited game explaining things that other people are saying + adding my own things on? also the stuff that I said kita mentioned I fleshed out more in that post so it was actually my original thoughts and not just the bolded which you seem to imply it is
also, her points on kelsier were crap, the fact that I'm starting to scum read him now is totally irrelevant to her case being crap at all because it purely involves her flipping town and the stuff he said previous to her flipping
I find it hard to believe you could believe anything you are typing at all. she made 3 pages worth of posts, actually, so yes she made quite a few. I believe that's over 40 posts to respond to, so your exaggerating and laughing, but actually you're just lying and implying she didn't post a lot or a lot of substance. if she is your top scum read, 3 posts to push and develop your read seems shallow at best; especially with your standards. hell you devoted the same or more posts in the same time frame to reading vivax, kels, and xat; who you didn't push on at all. and i disagree that any of what you said regarding kita's stuff is original, it is all sheep. further as town you are one of the largest proponents of using your vote as a means of pressuring people into giving information, and you felt perfectly fine leaving it on a town. like you're just plain mafia. So you're saying that even though I spent 2-3 pages of filter PREVIOUSLY talking about bunnies all game the fact that I only spent a few long posts on her LATER when she had only posted like a page or less since I left with a lot of fluff in it makes me mafia? Why are you using the the latter half of the game to justify a read on me that should span the whole game? Have you even bothered to check the timestamps of when I've been around, I was sick all day and literally posted as much as I could on as many people I could in the time frame that I've been here (without trying to devolve into spammyness) I can't believe you'd ever make this read as town. Ever. It literally shows no progression of thought process at all and is a rough job of a case that is based on falsities twisted to fit your narrative. There is no way on this planet that a town ritoky would make this case. Just like the case you made on LS using exclusively meta reads. None of these things you are saying make anyone scum yet you're pushing them so vehemently that it's making YOU look scummy instead. I hope someone shoots this guy (ritoky) btw. Show nested quote +On December 11 2014 12:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay Oatsmaster I got a Null read on him due to him not as much as he did on his town games but I guess the limit on the post number on each persons filter making try to conserve his posts a lot more than normal he did have some nice questions but he also made a weird call on Vivax being scum so idk what the true nature of his read on him is.
KSC I got him scum right now since most of his posts were more fluff than anything and he didn't ask good questions except once towards me but he also had a I told you so attitude on the lynch of 27ninja before the lynch which one of the scum members in the Campus Mafia game said about me when I was getting lynched kind of tells me he is scum at this point.
I dunno about oats anymore. My point on him was made kinda moot by xata so he's really just a ?. Don't like his wasted vote on vivax after saying he looked towny at all though. In fact there were a LOT of wasted votes. ritoky (1): 27ninjabunnies, kushm4sta, Fecalfeast27ninjabunnies (10): batsnacks, The_Templar, Fecalfeast, Holyflare, batsnacks, Half the Sky, sicklucker, kitaman27, liancourt, Vivax, Koshi, Alakaslam, Xatalos, Tubesock, Tubesock, Trfel Half the Sky (0): batsnacks, Xatalos, KoshiThe_Templar (2): GlowingBear, froggynoddy sicklucker (0): rsoultin, ObiWanShinobiObiWanShinobi (0): rsoultinVivax (1): Oatsmaster LightningStrike (0): ritoky, Alakaslamsicklucker (0): LightningStrikeliancourt (0): LightningStrikeGlowingBear (1): Damdred Fecalfeast (3): ritoky, LoneMeow, KelsierSC KelsierSC (3): The_Templar, 27ninjabunnies, LightningStrike, Alakaslam Xatalos (4): ObiWanShinobi, Vivax, Fecalfeast, rsoultin, Tubesockfroggynoddy (1): Half the Sky kush, gb, froggy, oats, damd, ritoky, lonemeow, kelsiersc, ls, slam, obi, vivax, fecal, rsoul, htsgonna check out all of those filters at some point to see their views on bunnies and why they weren't on her/what they were doing, kinda bad to still be on xata after he kinda adequately explained every accusation against him tbh and those rogue 1 and 2 voters that are on targets that were barely ever pushed at all (gb, froggy, hts) look terrible A good way to catch mafia is looking at who wasted their votes on the final votecount of a day. This looks like an attempt to do that. But, you see, he oddly points out EVERY other person outside the main wagon, which is NOT a reasonable thing, specially when we are talking about such strong player as Holyflare. Following his logic, me, frog and hts looks terrible. This is him stablishing the town agenda. In fact, our wasted votes looks terrible. Reminder: he didn't like froggynoddy's entrance either. But look at how inconsistent is his play: he stablishes town agenda, but pushes his own agenda (pushing ritoky). He does NOTHING to see these 3 people's alignment. He is NOT interested in these 3 people's alignment. He is just interested to look like an aggressive townie pushing ritoky, but he is actually not trying to solve the game. He is not trying to discover ritoky's alignment. He is just pushing for the sake of pushing someone. Why this comes from a mafia?: Mafia tends to look contributive but lacks the town intention for solving the game. He simply displays 3 names people should take a look at but does not go after those names. He is disinterested in solving the game, to discover people's alignment. That's not a townie. A townie would go against those 3 names he spoke of. He just posted this analysis because he wants to look contributive. ********************************************************************************************* 4)Town read on froggynoddyWhen I noticed these patterns, I inquired him for reads on froggynoddy and Vivax. This is his response: + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2014 10:21 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 10:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Holyflare
Your reads on froggynoddy and vivax, please. I have no idea how this is relevant in the slightest when I've made it pretty clear who i think mafia are. Either way, froggy is a kindaaaa towny/i dunno read. He writes quite long posts to say not much but I dunno how to explain that I don't want to lynch him other than saying his posts look innocent enough and to the point. He also wanted people to talk to him about his templar read that he's been pushing around the deadline which was cool and I kinda regret not talking to him more, he also said something around the bunnies lynch which i forget that made it seem like he was actually thinking about the game. I wouldn't say it's particularly difficult stuff to post as mafia but it seems pretty genuine to me. Vivax has been pushing people that I agree look scummy (- xatalos) but his reasons for doing it look like he's putting in the effort to find out inconsistencies. After a few games where we've been wrong on each other I think we've just resorted to ignoring the other and are just gonna base it on overall play. Well I am anyway. Not really bothered to elaborate further. You see, he was scumreading froggy noddy, said he looked terrible by his wasted vote, BUT CALLS HIM TOWN WHEN ASKED FOR A READ. This is someone who is NOT consistent with his reads. This is someone who gives fabricated reads and forgets them, or someone who doesn't want to scumread a possible partner. I know for a fact that Holyflare does this a lot. He scumreads a partner to further townread him. Remember: HE HAD NO ATTEMPT TO DISCOVER FROGGY'S ALIGNMENT. He started having this townread on him out of nothing, which is completely scummy. I'm sure you can understand mafia motivation behind it. ********************************************************************************************* 5) Scumread on me This is hilarious. I want you to check these two posts regarding me, from the most recent to the oldest: + Show Spoiler +On December 13 2014 08:29 Holyflare wrote:
I can only assume someone pushing so much false information is mafia. Much like ritoky who even when presented with multiple pieces of evidence to show that his meta was wrong continued to push his scum read on me. Not to mention his initial contradictory stance on how he has a super solid meta read on me but was fooled last game even though he said that meta read existed then too. Glad to see absolutely nobody in this game is paying attention to that. On December 10 2014 00:11 Holyflare wrote:
2 people haven't posted in this game at all yet, useful -.-
Oats, your post on vivax is wrong and your post refuting that wasn't in any english I could understand.
Ls looks not bad to me, dunno why people are hating on him giving all the meta when loads of other people do the same. Ritoky seems angry for some reason because of this??
Obi still being useless, just because he was useless last game (russian) as town doesn't stop him being able to be useless this game as mafia. It just means he's useless which increases the odds of him being mafia.
Kush.. Meh will resolve itself i think
Gb hasn't really done anything but hasn't done anything outrageously wrong like I'd expect him to as town but his picking on solely koshi and like nothing else is wearing thin and is pretty scummy
I dunno feel kinda iffy about hts after reading the things about kush feels a bit too flippant
New list oats, obi, (gb?) bunnies
Mehhhhbe/mehhhhbe not: hts, kush
HAHAHA HE SAYS IT'S A TOWN TRAIT FOR ME FOR BEING OUTRAGEOUSLY WRONG, BUT WHEN HE THINKS I'M OUTRAGEOUSLY WRONG THE SCUMREADS ME. This is the most inconsistent thing I have ever seen. He didn't scumread me because I acted scummy. He scumread me because he felt I was getting close to him. He is trying to discredit me and to survive, and not to figure out my alignment. Town perspective would be evaluate my action and figure out my alignment for something he already knows about my gameplay. Mafia perspective is "I'm getting caught, I have to make this guy look bad" ##VOTE: HOLYFLARE RIGHT NOW!!!! Full case with added spoilers on some quotations to make it more readable Yeah. ROFL. Also, we should repeat that game's setup. It was very good. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells I wish we could get enough people for a full mafia game again... did someone say "is policy lynching lurkers the right way to go forward"? Just make everyone a dayvig, power to the players
Damn, this reminded me of https://tl.net/forum/mafia/237124-real-time-mafia
and the fact we had Lurker Banes in the past
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