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On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote: Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? The only people I believe I have not played with are Shockeyy, Jockmcplop and Grackaroni. I believe we have played together (maybe even on a scum team?), I have played lots with rayn, Vivax, Koshi, Chezinu and probably Alakaslam could go into that category as well. So Fecalfeast, Trfel (you) and GlowingBear are people I should've played already but my meta judgement would be seriously impractical here. On April 29 2020 05:04 Vivax wrote: I'm not a fan of that approach. Especially after not playing for so long. I agree Vivax! Actually, if I were in a self-deprecating mood I'd probably state outright that I don't feel meta-competent right now. | ||
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On April 29 2020 04:44 Alakaslam wrote: SUP KURUMI U SKUM? WHAT KIND OF PM COLOR U GET EH Oh, forgot to respond to this. Brown. | ||
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On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote: You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown? Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today  I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? | ||
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On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote: Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead. You want to butt heads, eh?  What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game? | ||
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Sorry I'm responding this late, got a call from a friend. Well, I got all bad vibes from this and wanted another pair of eyes on this. Someone declaring at the start of the game that they're going to be lazy feels like a setup for a future cop-out for why they're not putting the effort in. | ||
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On April 29 2020 06:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: And Trfel did not put effort in? So far all they've done is asked questions, so far asking what does Slam think about them being lazy. Holy fluff batman. On April 29 2020 06:59 Trfel wrote: Fair enough, I didn't realize it was that many players. Thanks for explaining! So why were you asking me about how I'm going to play this game, exactly? | ||
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(...) is asked questions, going so far as asking (...) | ||
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On April 29 2020 07:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: But that's not true, about Trfel only asking questions? What do you mean? So far they've: -started the game out by saying they're going to be lazy -asked Alakaslam what does he mean with people giving excuses (see previous point, wut?) -asked me how I'm going to play and fished for whether I checked out the player roster for past games and meta -now questions GlowingBear about Vivax which is first "OK" thing. I have no idea why you're pushing back on Trfel so much given that all I've done is cast some shade on them. | ||
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On April 29 2020 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: See these are not "only asking questions" things. Regardless of that, i really liked his thought process on your "meta shenanigans" post. I am waiting to see what kind of meta reads you will cook up. You haven't played in what... three years? I also heavily dislike your approach towards me, because you seem to be thinking Trfel is not doing anything but asking useless questions, and i am not (before this) giving you pretty much anything on that front except for support on him for "no apparent reason". Why are you talking to me like there is nothing wrong in my behavior? Fishing for how I'm committed to the game is not something I'm going to write up as "Town" in my book. Especially when someone declares that they're going to be less than committed. And as I've stated already in agreement to Vivax, me going for meta reads might not be the best course of action. I am talking to you "like there is nothing wrong in your behaviour" because it is still early in the game and you might be going off one thing, like you've admitted. I also read your first post after "hi" as combative and wanted to know whether it is light-hearted or not, but you didn't acknowledge me asking about it. Besides, bringing more information into the thread is never wrong, especially when we establish connections people have to each other based on their reactions and interactions. On April 29 2020 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: To be more clear; Is it normal for a guy who is mafia to say "hey i am gonna lurk and only be around mostly at time X", then question people and follow that up with ANYTHING? Now i am not saying this CANT be mafia, but like... I think i tried slowwwwwwly try to get Kurumi off that thing in case he genuinely thought that was mafia behavior (in general i mean). I guess no luck, and i think that smells. Oh come on Ray, what kind of reasoning is this? If anything, we should be concerned that someone that has shown less interest in the game changes their behaviour so fast. If that's the whole picture, that is. | ||
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I decided to make a list for summary's sake and that we hopefully don't miss out something later. No contribution so far: Grackaroni (posted, but it is literally an introduction post and a youtube-link post) Fecalfeast (admitted to not reading the thread) Koshi (no posts at all) Jockmcplop (no posts at all) Chezinu (but talking Chezinu and contributing is a whole can of worms) Low-effort/medium activity Shockeyy (claims town and wanting to lead it, pings me through quoting Vivax, scumreads Alakaslam, notes that Trfel has played games back-to-back and understands their desire to be lazy) Alakaslam (notes the cop-outs, pings me, claimed town, seemingly agrees with me, Vivax, torn about Trfel anyway) GlowingBear (pings Vivax, then votes them without providing more reasoning, interacts with Trfel on basis of past games, although seemingly agrees with me, is interested in how Trfel is going to play) Funnily enough, if someone were to put a gun to my head right now, I'd say all three are Town. That only means I at this moment lean Town more on them than Scum and it's flimsy enough to flip fast. If I were to pick the strongest town feel out of these three, it would be Slam because I liked him noticing the cop-outs and well, I like that he seems to agree with me Active Vivax (pinged me, wanted to interact with people and did, pressured Fecalfeast through a vote on good reasoning after I asked for who I should be looking into, most importantly, came to the exact same conclusions I have right now.) Kurumi Trfel raynpelikoneet I have no idea with which one of these two I should start. There's an obvious triangle between them and me - with them defending each-other and pushing me, but pushing me so lightly that they don't even commit to a vote. And they do all this for me JUST pinging Trfel. Never called Trfel scum. Never voted Trfel. That's a misrepresentation. But the moment I mention Trfel to rayn, he believes that Trfel has shown "effort" (they did not, as I outlined in a post of mine). After this, rayn declares I should be suspicious of him because of his defense of Trfel - to which I have replied already as well. I was. I know that rayn tunnel-visions a lot, but the play he's shown this game is outright bogus to me. Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. They go as far as literally reiterating rayn's previous point he made to me about how I should be suspicious of rayn and me not being suspicious of rayn is scummy. They also misrepresent me as saying "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy" which is wildly untrue. I expressed DOUBTS whether I can do that. Not that I can and will. And you know what's the best thing ever in Trfel's posting? On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote: -snip- However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious. Amazing backpedal. So your plan from the start of the game was claim to be lazy and then call the first person to call you out scum? Because "mostly joking"? So not only you've lied about "being lazy" this game through your gameplay after I put some heat on you, you also admit it outright? Cool. So, the only reason I'm voting Trfel over raynpelikoneet really is that I think Trfel has a role. I'd rather have a scum-with-role dead than a vanilla scum dead. Easy? Easy. ##vote Trfel + Show Spoiler [unofficial votecount] + Fecalfeast - 0 raynpelikoneet - 1 Vivax Vivax - 1 GlowingBear | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [unofficial votecount] + Fecalfeast - 0 raynpelikoneet - 1 Vivax Vivax - 1 GlowingBear Trfel - 1 Kurumi | ||
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On April 30 2020 00:16 ShoCkeyy wrote: Yea, I went from 40 players with about 20 page games to 10 players with 200+ pages, now its 10 with 70 pages, so not that bad anymore. I do know. I've been part of this forum for 9 years now and did my fair share of spamming. On April 29 2020 23:47 Jockmcplop wrote: alakaslam: + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2020 10:09 Alakaslam wrote: Gonna have to side with Kurumi on the logic train. Defend yourself, not others, even when scum. Because it be scummy until the town begins wearing trousers on their head. Then defense the ally. On April 29 2020 15:17 Alakaslam wrote: Stuff getting really strangely simple. Like straight up people make excuse = they is scum. If Vivax is right. But it is funny, Trfel being more active than anyone else post excuse has me feeling townie on him even though it literally points scummier than before. Like, my head and my gut disagree I find these posts pretty scummy, like you want to agree with Kurumi but then want to back out for some reason. You seem so sure in one post and unsure in the next. Kurumi's logic train very much had to do with his suspicions on trfel and you seemed sure about it but then next thing you're like "yeah but maybe not." and that's it. Also, Kurumi's logic, I pointed out above why its bad logic. On the one hand, he says that all trfel has done is ask questions, but trfel's questions brought more information into the thread, which Kurumi says is 'never bad'. I don't think Kurumi is using consistent scumhunting logic here in going after trfel. Trfel's questions were useless or bad. One they asked Alakaslam made absolutely no sense given that Trfel was one giving a cop-out. The way they questioned me about my opening post was not to make me introduce me into the game, but to learn how committed I am to the game. Why do they need to know how committed I am to the game? Well, it makes deciding how the N1 KP goes. | ||
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Well, it makes deciding how the N1 KP goes a lot easier. | ||
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On April 30 2020 00:27 Jockmcplop wrote: -snip- Holy wall of text Batman. You also seem overdefensive in this post (for someone who doesn't have any votes on them.) Are you sure trfel was lying and didn't just get into the game more than he expected to? Wall of text? You people don't do big list posts or case posts anymore? As for the overdefensive comment, I'll take that as a good joke. Why do they think they have to get into the game more when all that's happened is I pinged them out? Overdefensive much, huh? On April 30 2020 00:42 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't know whether to disagree with you or scumread you. I can't see how you've had such a reaction to rayn and trfel questioning how you started the game. You seem genuinely pissed off and i don't get why. Trfel's post is one that you see in about 70% of game openings and sometimes its a town post; sometimes its a mafia post, but you really can't tell from whether someone follows up on day 1 by being exactly as active as they said they would. I also really don't buy this theory that rayn and trfel are mafia coming after you for pinging trfel. Mafia are probably trying to hide or just watch right now. Maybe one of them is, but both, like this on day one? Nah -snip- Then that's bad practice you allow it. It sets up a potential deflection with "well, gee I told you guys I'm not going to do much..." which only creates confusion in the discussion. Look at what's happened: I call out Trfel ever so slightly and rayn comes swinging at me for no reason, so deep to even implicate himself, but never pushing himself to vote, mostly attacking me instead of defending Trfel. Basically, discrediting me instead of committing to defending Trfel. As for you comment to what Mafia is currently doing... why? You just voted Koshi, who's posted NOTHING besides promise of contributing for "pressure". He's pressured himself already a lot more than your vote did. And Shockeyy's. You're abandoning what's already developed in the thread to deflect onto one of the lurkers. And what the fuck is this "Maybe one of them is, but both, like this on day one? Nah". WHY? So you scumread one of them? What is this sentence even? | ||
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Then that's bad practice if you allow it. | ||
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Because it never happened. Or, at least until rayn shows where this has happened. On April 30 2020 01:26 Jockmcplop wrote: I meant wall of text as in you didn't press enter at all and it makes it harder to read. Meh. Most of the time posts like that come from town. Anywayit looks to me like rayn's just pressuring you to see what happens. As for trfel he could be mafia but he hasn't posted anything so far that makes me think he is. Clearly my tongue was in my cheek for that vote, hence the smiley and the fact that of course i don't just believe shockeyy that koshi made his mafia entrance, or even has a koshi style of mafia entrance. I just don't think mafia would expose and align themselves that much as to both push you at the same time when nothing else has happened/is happening. I don't scumread either of them tbh. Are you fucking with me or? I didn't press enter at all? As for bolded, what the holiest of fuck. What? And yes, scum do that, because it might be easy early to discredit someone in the thread or because they panic. | ||
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Then he lied in their first post and kept going with it to then defend themselves with "I was mostly joking". Even more of a reason to get rid of them. | ||
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raynpelikoneet Jockmcplop Reads go in, stocks go down, you can't explain that. | ||
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sure its ip to debate if it makes him mafia or not but... lol
