[M][N]Oil Futures Mafia
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Hapahauli
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Hapahauli
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Hapahauli
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Day 1 - BRRRR.MONEY COUNT Votes: FecalFeast: (0) Vivax: (0) Raynpelikoneet: (1) Vivax Trfel: (1) Kurumi Koshi: (1) Jockmcplop: (1) GlowingBear Not Voting: Chezinu, FecalFeast, Grackaroni, Alakaslam, Jockmcplop, Koshi, Raynpelikoneet, Trfel Raynpelikoneet is set to be lynched with 1 vote. until End of Day | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Day 1 - BRRRR.MONEY COUNT Previous Votecount: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/558949-oil-futures-mafia?page=10#200 Votes: FecalFeast: (0) Vivax: (0) Raynpelikoneet: (1) Vivax Trfel: (1) Kurumi Koshi: (1) Jockmcplop: (1) GlowingBear GlowingBear: (2) Koshi, FecalFeast Shockeyy: (1) Alakaslam Not Voting: Chezinu, Grackaroni, Jockmcplop, Raynpelikoneet, Trfel GlowingBear is set to be lynched with 2 votes. until End of Day | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Day 1 - BRRRR.MONEY COUNT Previous Votecount: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/558949-oil-futures-mafia?page=17#333 Votes: Jockmcplop: (2) GlowingBear, raynpelikoneet GlowingBear: (2) Koshi, FecalFeast ShoCkeyy: (2) Alakaslam, Vivax Trfel: (1) Kurumi Alakaslam: (1) ShocCkeyy Kurumi: (1) Trfel Raynpelikoneet: (1) Grackaroni Koshi: (1) Chezinu FecalFeast: (0) Vivax: (0) Chezinu: (0) Grackaroni: (0) Not Voting: Jockmcplop Jockmcplop is set to be lynched with 2 votes. until End of Day | ||
Hapahauli
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Day 1 - BRRRR.MONEY COUNT Previous Votecount: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/558949-oil-futures-mafia?page=20#382 Votes: GlowingBear: (4) Koshi, FecalFeast, Raynpelikoneet, Vivax Jockmcplop: (1) GlowingBear ShoCkeyy: (1) Alakaslam Trfel: (1) Kurumi Alakaslam: (1) ShocCkeyy Kurumi: (1) Trfel Raynpelikoneet: (1) Grackaroni Koshi: (1) Chezinu FecalFeast: (0) Vivax: (0) Chezinu: (0) Grackaroni: (0) Not Voting: Jockmcplop GlowingBear is set to be lynched with 4 votes. until End of Day | ||
Hapahauli
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Day 1 - 1-HOUR-TILL-DEADLINE COUNT Previous Votecount: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/558949-oil-futures-mafia?page=22#434 Votes: GlowingBear: (3) Koshi, FecalFeast, Vivax ShoCkeyy: (3) Alakaslam, Trfel, Raynpelikoneet Alakaslam: (2) ShocCkeyy, Grackaroni Jockmcplop: (1) GlowingBear Trfel: (1) Kurumi Koshi: (1) Chezinu Kurumi: (0) Raynpelikoneet: (0) FecalFeast: (0) Vivax: (0) Chezinu: (0) Grackaroni: (0) Not Voting: Jockmcplop GlowingBear is set to be lynched with 3 votes. until End of Day | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Day 1 - 45-MINUTES-TILL-DEADLINE COUNT Previous Votecount: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/558949-oil-futures-mafia?page=27#530 Votes: GlowingBear: (3) Koshi, FecalFeast, Vivax Alakaslam: (2) ShocCkeyy, Grackaroni Kurumi: (2) Trfel, Raynpelikoneet Jockmcplop: (1) GlowingBear Trfel: (1) Kurumi Koshi: (1) Chezinu Raynpelikoneet: (0) FecalFeast: (0) Vivax: (0) Chezinu: (0) Grackaroni: (0) ShoCkeyy: (0) Not Voting: Jockmcplop, Alakaslam GlowingBear is set to be lynched with 3 votes. until End of Day | ||
Hapahauli
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Day 1 - 30-MINUTES-TILL-DEADLINE COUNT Previous Votecount: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/558949-oil-futures-mafia?page=27#530 Votes: GlowingBear: (3) Koshi, FecalFeast, Vivax Alakaslam: (2) ShocCkeyy, Grackaroni Kurumi: (2) Trfel, Raynpelikoneet Jockmcplop: (1) GlowingBear Trfel: (1) Kurumi Koshi: (1) Chezinu Raynpelikoneet: (0) FecalFeast: (0) Vivax: (0) Chezinu: (0) Grackaroni: (0) ShoCkeyy: (0) Not Voting: Jockmcplop, Alakaslam GlowingBear is set to be lynched with 3 votes. until End of Day | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Day 1 - 15-MINUTES-TILL-DEADLINE COUNT Previous Votecount: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/558949-oil-futures-mafia?page=27#599 Votes: Kurumi: (4) Trfel, Raynpelikoneet, FecalFeast, Alakaslam GlowingBear: (2) Koshi, Vivax Alakaslam: (2) ShocCkeyy, Grackaroni Jockmcplop: (1) GlowingBear Trfel: (1) Kurumi Koshi: (1) Chezinu Raynpelikoneet: (0) FecalFeast: (0) Vivax: (0) Chezinu: (0) Grackaroni: (0) ShoCkeyy: (0) Not Voting: Jockmcplop Kurumi is set to be lynched with 4 votes. until End of Day | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Day 1 - 5-MINUTES-TILL-DEADLINE COUNT Previous Votecount: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/558949-oil-futures-mafia?page=33#656 Votes: Kurumi: (3) Trfel, Raynpelikoneet, FecalFeast GlowingBear: (3) Koshi, Vivax, Alakaslam Alakaslam: (2) ShocCkeyy, Grackaroni Jockmcplop: (1) GlowingBear Trfel: (1) Kurumi Koshi: (1) Chezinu Raynpelikoneet: (0) FecalFeast: (0) Vivax: (0) Chezinu: (0) Grackaroni: (0) ShoCkeyy: (0) Not Voting: Jockmcplop Kurumi is set to be lynched with 3 votes. until End of Day | ||
Hapahauli
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Hapahauli
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Please note, Kurumi is set to be lynched due to arriving at 3 votes prior to other players. On May 01 2020 04:00 Hapahauli wrote: Day 1 - 5-MINUTES-TILL-DEADLINE COUNT Previous Votecount: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/558949-oil-futures-mafia?page=33#656 Votes: Kurumi: (3) Trfel, Raynpelikoneet, FecalFeast GlowingBear: (3) Koshi, Vivax, Alakaslam Alakaslam: (2) ShocCkeyy, Grackaroni Jockmcplop: (1) GlowingBear Trfel: (1) Kurumi Koshi: (1) Chezinu Raynpelikoneet: (0) FecalFeast: (0) Vivax: (0) Chezinu: (0) Grackaroni: (0) ShoCkeyy: (0) Not Voting: Jockmcplop Kurumi is set to be lynched with 3 votes. until End of Day | ||
Hapahauli
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Day 2 - BRRRR.MONEY COUNT Votes: ShoCkeyy: (1) Koshi GlowingBear: (1) Trfel raynpelikoneet: (0) Trfel: (0) Not Voting: Chezinu, ShoCkeyy, Grackaroni, Alakaslam, Jockmcplop, raynpelikoneet, GlowingBear ShoCkeyy is set to be lynched with 1 vote. until End of Day | ||
Hapahauli
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Day 2 - BRRRR.MONEY COUNT Votes: ShoCkeyy: (2) Koshi, GlowingBear Jockmcplop: (2) Raynpelikoneet, Vivax Koshi: (2) ShoCkeyy, GlowingBear: (1) Trfel Trfel: (1) Alakaslam: (0) raynpelikoneet: (0) Chezinu: (0) Vivax: (0) Not Voting: Grackaroni, Alakaslam, ShoCkeyy is set to be lynched with 2 votes. until End of Day | ||
Hapahauli
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Day 2 - BRRRR.MONEY COUNT Votes: ShoCkeyy: (3) Koshi, GlowingBear, Grackaroni Jockmcplop: (2) Raynpelikoneet, Vivax Koshi: (2) ShoCkeyy, GlowingBear: (1) Trfel Trfel: (1) Alakaslam: (0) raynpelikoneet: (0) Chezinu: (0) Vivax: (0) Not Voting: Alakaslam ShoCkeyy is set to be lynched with 3 votes. until End of Day | ||
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Hapahauli
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Day 3 - BRRRR.MONEY COUNT Votes: Jockmcplop: (3) Trfel, Alakaslam, Chezinu Koshi: (0) Trfel: (0) Alakaslam: (0) Chezinu: (0) Vivax: (0) GlowingBear: (0) Grackaroni: (0) Not Voting: (5) Koshi, Vivax, GlowingBear, Grakaroni, Jockmcplop Jockmcplop is set to be lynched with 3 votes. until End of Day | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Day 3 - BRRRR.MONEY COUNT Votes: Jockmcplop: (4) Trfel, Chezinu, Koshi, Vivax Trfel: (1) Alakaslam Chezinu: (1) Jockmcplop Koshi: (0) Alakaslam: (0) Vivax: (0) GlowingBear: (0) Grackaroni: (0) Not Voting: (2) Grakaroni, GlowingBear Jockmcplop is set to be lynched with 4 votes. until End of Day | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Day 3 - BRRRR.MONEY COUNT Votes: Jockmcplop: (4) Trfel, Chezinu, Koshi, Vivax Chezinu: (1) Jockmcplop Trfel: (1) Alakaslam Vivax: (1) GlowingBear Koshi: (0) Alakaslam: (0) GlowingBear: (0) Grackaroni: (0) Not Voting: (1) Grakaroni Jockmcplop is set to be lynched with 4 votes. until End of Day | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Day 3 - BRRRR.MONEY COUNT Votes: Jockmcplop: (3) Trfel, Koshi, Vivax Vivax: (3) GlowingBear, Alakaslam, Chezinu Chezinu: (1) Jockmcplop Trfel: (0) Koshi: (0) Alakaslam: (0) GlowingBear: (0) Grackaroni: (0) Not Voting: (1) Grakaroni Jockmcplop is set to be lynched with 3 votes. until End of Day | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Day 3 - BRRRR.MONEY COUNT Votes: Jockmcplop: (4) Trfel, Koshi, Vivax, Grakaroni, Vivax: (3) GlowingBear, Alakaslam, Chezinu Trfel: (1) Jockmcplop Chezinu: (0) Koshi: (0) Alakaslam: (0) GlowingBear: (0) Grackaroni: (0) Not Voting: (0) Jockmcplop is set to be lynched with 4 votes. until End of Day | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Day 3 - BRRRR.MONEY COUNT Votes: Jockmcplop: (3) Trfel, Vivax, Grakaroni Trfel: (2) Jockmcplop, Alakaslam Vivax: (1) Chezinu Grackaroni: (1) Koshi Koshi: (1) GlowingBear Chezinu: (0) Alakaslam: (0) GlowingBear: (0) Not Voting: (0) Jockmcplop is set to be lynched with 3 votes. until End of Day | ||
Hapahauli
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Day 3 - BRRRR.MONEY COUNT Votes: Trfel: (4) Jockmcplop, Alakaslam, GlowingBear, Koshi GlowingBear: (3) Trfel, Grakaroni, Vivax Vivax: (1) Chezinu Grackaroni: (0) Koshi: (0) Chezinu: (0) Alakaslam: (0) Jockmcplop: (0) Not Voting: (0) Trfel is set to be lynched with 4 votes. until End of Day | ||
Hapahauli
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Hapahauli
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There is a simple narrative to this game: "Mafia was more active and coordinated than town, and therefore Mafia won a flawless victory." Mafia had an over 450-post QT, were discussing strategy non-stop, and there was even an instance of a rather long three-way mafia chat in the actual game thread! Is it even possible to draw lessons from such a one-sided game?While this narrative is "true", it is deceptive in what it omits. Mafia did not stomp. When you look at how close GlowingBear and Jock came to getting lynched this game, it is apparent that Mafia's margin of victory was razor-thin. I believe the proper narrative to this game is: "Mafia made some significant strategic mistakes, but they clawed their way to victory by being active at the right times. I am going to unpack this "narrative" throughout this post by looking at:1) Mafia's Strategy and Bussing 2) Mafia's Bursts of Activity 3) The Kurumi Lynch 4) The Shockeyy Lynch 5) The Trfel Lynch | ||
Hapahauli
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1) Mafia's Strategy glowingBEAR 04-29-2020 12:40 PM ET (US) JOCK I'm working and can't play right now but I must say I'll hard bus you man :/ that Koshi bit was baaaaad At least one of us will look townie. Please don't be mad at me, that's how I play as scum :///// Vivax 04-29-2020 03:23 PM ET (US) You can always bus, but don't overcommit to it. We just need to post enough to be able to find townie bits giving us an excuse to stop it. glowingBEAR 04-29-2020 03:43 PM ET (US) Don't be afraid of bussing me. I've always won a game of mafia because my scum mates bussed me and I flipped. Mafia QT posts. Read from top to bottom. One of the coolest things about spectating the mafia QT was watching Vivax and GlowingBear argue and debate about "bussing" teammates. Vivax was in favor of playing a simpler mafia game, whereas GlowingBear was adamant about the important of "distancing". Who won the argument? In this game, I think Vivax did. GlowingBear spent a lot of time and effort distancing himself from Jock early in the game. GB scumread Jock very early and pushed his lynch. Ditto for Jock. Despite this, both GB and Jock were at the top of quite a few scumlists (and were very close to getting lynched). Trfel had a post later in the game on the associations between GB and Jock, despite their best efforts to distance: On May 06 2020 11:20 Trfel wrote: I'll be here on and off for the next few hours, I'll be taking a sauna with my dad (shout-out to raynpelikoneet!). Look at the associations between the GlowingBear, Jockmcplop, and Alakaslam team. Notice how Alakaslam is trying to vote anyone other than Jockmcplop, despite having Jockmcplop in his POE list. See how GlowingBear townread Jockmcplop Day 2 despite having no reason to do so (I think a page or two ago I showed why his reasons are invalid). Note Jockmcplop's lack of involvement and desire to play this game. He's a very strong town player, and I know he'd have more pushback against his lynch and throughout the game than this. ... I feel that distancing did not work as intended for a few reasons: 1) How you distance is more important than the fact that you distance. Talking about your mafia teammates is always going to be a risk - you know your teammate is mafia, and the more you post about him, the more about your mafia mentality (extra information) you will unknowingly reveal. In this case, GlowingBear un-did a lot of his Day 1 distancing work by town-reading Jock on Day 2! 2) In a similar vein, why you distance is more important than the fact that you distance. It is unclear to me what the plan was here. GB seemed to think that he would get "bussed by his teammates" at some point, but why pre-determine this? Maybe GB gets universally town-read by the thread, and if so, who cares about distancing? 3) First-impressions are powerful. Towns have a tendency to latch onto early-game suspicions, and those suspicions, rational or not, are very hard to overcome. If you read the thread, GB and Jock established themselves through their "distancing" as scummreads early on, and as a result, they fought against their reputations for the rest of the game. 4) This town was inactive, especially early on. Why give them clues when you can keep them in the dark? Wouldn't it have been easier for mafia to just push mislynches with their superior activity? A good illustration is about midway through Day 3. Vivax is almost universally town-read by the thread. GlowingBear posts a "case" on Vivax: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/558949-oil-futures-mafia?page=75#1481 ... and then gets promptly sheeped by several townies, putting Vivax in danger. Why is this necessary? It feels like distancing for the sake of distancing, rather than distancing for an objective. Vivax had some excellent posts in the QT in response: Vivax 05-06-2020 03:27 AM ET (US) It doesn't matter. Cred for bussing is overrated. As far as I'm aware I've done it to keep suspicion from Koshi and rayn off me, but that didn't require any of you to flip. Like, what do you think I'm going to do if I get lynched later? Say that I can't be mafia because I voted for you? It never works when everyone knows bussing happens. If I had Holyflare on my team and everyone was townreading him I wouldn't see a reason to bus him either. Vivax 05-06-2020 03:33 AM ET (US) It doesn't help your teammates if you scumread them before you flip. Just pretend that I'm actually town this game, would you be scumreading me here when you want to get my vote off you? You'd rather try to figure out who of my scumreads are town and push that one instead. I know I sound super patronizing and made that mistake enough times myself but it's really the only thing worth doing. We all bussed way too much and it's hard to get out of. Overall, the art of playing as mafia is the art of telling people what they want to hear, as opposed to what they need to hear. If a town wants to mislynch itself, why not give the people what the want (mislynch townies), as opposed to distancing without a clear plan? There are games that you have to bus and distance as mafia, but I do not feel that this was one of them. What was the town going to do if mafia just kept pushing mislynches? Mafia made these strategic mistakes, yet played super well on a post-by-post basis to overcome a bad strategy. | ||
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