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oh my opinion on Kurumi was exactly what you said after deadline, in case that wasn't clear.
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Who is mafia with me and shockeyy?
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There are not many people who can be mafia with us so please, give your opinion.
Like you always try to at least tinfoil a team because youre proud and want to be right. Why not now?
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so okay. me, shockeyy and grack.
I dont think Chezinu is mafia so well. I am blue, no takebacksies here.
What do you do now Koshi?
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Shockeyy and Grackaroni both basically built a case on me then backtracked the hell out of it, so what the fuck do you do now Koshi?
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Like they are literally super town.
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On May 03 2020 21:31 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. Dont care to talk to you at all this game.
If you are town. You should have mynched gb because who the fuck knows.
Kurumi was not likely mafia and I dont care enough to yell at the thread but I for sure care enough to blame you the entire game till you are dead.
So basically.
I am town or you should try to lynch me now.
If i am town that makes shockeyy and grack town.
Vivax is town and you know it
Trfel is town and you know it
GB "knew" i am blue and he would have shot me (maybe roleblock but yeah that's not an idea i am invested in right now because the best thing for mafia!GB is still to shoot me)
Chezinu is blue
So the rest of the people who are not Koshi, for you should be mafia. 
But they are not?
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On May 03 2020 21:37 Koshi wrote:
These are good shockey posts. Please consider them when you vote for either Shockey or me.
Explain please?
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I dont get the point of the last post?
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On May 03 2020 21:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2020 20:57 Koshi wrote:On May 03 2020 14:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:On May 03 2020 14:44 GlowingBear wrote:On May 03 2020 14:40 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GB what are you smoking, I was saying that FF talked about you quite a bit, and with that early vote on you can make it look like one or the other. How in any way FF's death tells anything about my alignment? A lot of people talked about me. On May 03 2020 14:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I didn’t do some conspiracy and just throw it out. I voted with my scum read, how is that throwing it out? Do you think I was framed? No obviously not, that’s why Koshi is going on the second “easiest” lynch this D2. You were first, and he started the wagon. Now D2 he starts the Shockeyy wagon and fucks off again. Good news. They are not both mafia.
well this one, i dont know if it was the last or not
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On May 03 2020 21:54 Vivax wrote:
Is there any read you guys have in common?
I guess no i think?
I am trying to figure out what Koshi's read on Shockeyy actually is because i value his opinion if he is town. I gave him all the information i can, if he wants to re-evaluate or at least discuss the read, but it doesn't seem like he is willing to. I know i wasn't being completely truthful in what i said about shockeyy because you are right, he didn't really make a case against me ever. I don't know why Koshi isn't standing behind his read though, he should know that i am wrong there if he is as invested as he thinks in his read on Shockeyy. But for some reason it doesn't seem like he is, instead he is taking the defeatist route which he so much hated about Kurumi on D1.
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On May 04 2020 01:54 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2020 19:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still think the following people are town.
Vivax, Trfel, Koshi. I mean like i am just going to assume they are town.
The next important thing is the votecount and GB's alignment. If GB is town, mafia didn't care about the lynch. If GB is mafia, mafia still didn't care about the lynch. I kind of agree with Vivax that GB not voting for the counter wagon -- while incredibly stupid, most likely makes him town. The only person from the "not taking a stance on lynch" by the eod was Slam who was swapping his votes after Kurumi started posting. I don't think that looks townie and i think Slam is the only person aside from the people who were on Kurumi and GB can actually be mafia.
I don't think either of Shockeyy and Grackaroni were reading either of Kurumi/GB mafia. I actually think Shockeyy tried to make people switch to Slam, i think that's minor town points for him. I kind of thought Grack has to be mafia based on him not wanting to do anything about the lynch, especially when his biggest scumread is voting for Kurumi the most obvious decision to make is to try make people vote for either Slam, or join the opposing wagon. However, i have zero understanding of why Grack continued like he did after D1. Basically if Grack is mafia, he built up a scumread on me all game jsut to throw it into the trash for whatever reason come D2??? I don't think that makes any sense at all from mafia perspective.
So GB goes to probably town pile and Grack goes to town pile, Shockeyy goes to possibly town pile and Slam is like ????? maybe scum?
The thing to note is that i still think there is a possibility of GB being mafia, just because FF suspected him, and while he writes a lot of posts pretty much everything he votes for is "because he didn't post in X amount of time" and i think that's super weak. Wasn't it for the eod i would definitely think GB is mafia and i don't think it's completely out of the possible universes that he is in fact mafia. Hell it's definitely in his range of mafia plays to even be mafia with Jock, or Slam.
Anyways the most likely answer based on the above there is, is that:
One of GB/Jock is mafia (my preference is Jock)
One of Slam/Shockeyy is mafia (prefer Slam)
Chezinu is mafia.
The problem i have with Slam is his read change with me and Shockeyy. I switched my vote from Jock to GB to Shockeyy to Kurumi. Sure Slam can think that somehow makes me mafia (it shouldn't), but for that he has some weird association that this ALSO makes Shockeyy town. I dont think he should ever have that association based on what i did. I think this is more likely trying to get Shockeyy back off from him, based on that at the point this happened there were two votes on him (aka possibility of him being lynched -- especially if Shockeyy and Grack are town as i assume if Slam is mafia). Furthermore if this was his genuine thought process i don't have a slightest clue why he changes his vote to vote WITH his biggest scumread rayn???? I know he voted GB in the end but at that point it probably didn't matter anymore and he shouldn't have voted for Kurumi in the first place at all if what he said before that was genuine.
I know some people are saying Jock is re-evaluating the game after the FF flip but i don't really see it. I honestly first thouhg Jock is town because why would he kill FF, his scumread (unless GB is mafia too -- but right now i don't expect that to be true). Just look at Jock's re-evaluation:
- First he says he needs to re-evaluate things because FF his scumread died
- He never evaluates GB, which is the first thing he should do
- The he says he need to reread Shockeyy because "a lot of alignments depend on Shockeyys" (i dont even understand why he thinks that because he never explains anything about it)
- But he doesn't really reread Shockeyy on any level, he just comes back with some random posts and says that Shockeyy is town because ??? and Koshi and Shockeyy are opposing alignments and because of a BAD post Shockeyy made on Koshi that could make him think Shockeyy actually could be mafia but without no investigation on that ever in the game he just ends up on Shockeyy being town again and Koshi being mafia.
- Basically he never re-evaluated anything and just ended up with whatever he had before the night kill. That's literally ALL his posts during D2 so basically he hasn't done anything lol...
Chezinu kind of always has to be mafia unless the mafia team is exactly Jock, Gb and Slam. But i don't think that's the most likely answer anyways. Noone is willing to even CONSIDER Chezinu as mafia aside from Vivax and Trfel (who are basically town anyways), so yeah.... I don't think not considering Chezinu mafia as mafia, if Chezinu is not, is a good play for mafia because he is probably almost a free lynch. So i think Chezinu has to be mafia.
##vote Chezinu I don't understad the bolded. Why Shockey is town for that? Rayn, if jock is mafia, why wouldn't he just follow thread sentiment and vote me?
I didnt say that, slam did. Ask him.
Vote you when? Last game he let ho of his scumread to vote NOT his scumread BUT his mafia partner under no pressure and he got lynched for it. I dont know why Jock does what he does when he is mafia and i dont really care even...
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On May 04 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2020 03:16 Trfel wrote:On May 04 2020 03:11 GlowingBear wrote:On May 04 2020 03:04 Trfel wrote:On May 04 2020 02:58 GlowingBear wrote:On May 04 2020 02:53 Trfel wrote:On May 04 2020 02:42 GlowingBear wrote:On May 03 2020 23:17 Trfel wrote:No, I don't want to lynch Koshi. Of the three people currently at two votes I would most want to lynch Jockmcplop I think. I should probably read his filter again. And ShoCkeyy's too, for that matter. But I don't really want to vote with GlowingBear  But maybe I should accept the possibility that I am wrong. Bleh, confusing game hurts my head Trfel, consider I'm confirmed town. Is there any reason to not vote Shockey? I don't know I've periodically been falling asleep while reading Jockmcplop's filter and ShoCkeyy's filter and keeping up with the thread (primarily Grackaroni's posts). When I look at ShoCkeyy's play this game vs his play last game (as mafia), I've actually felt like they are different. This game I see ShoCkeyy coming up with new ideas and sticking with them, and that makes me think he may be town. I didn't read his meta the same way Grackaroni did, I think we are looking at different aspects of ShoCkeyy's play. I don't know what that means. You're considering meta only. What about my argument on Shockey? Which one in particular? Sorry, you'll have to point me to what you are referring to. For the record the middle line of that paragraph wasn't meta but it doesn't really matter. @Koshi, sorry I may very well change my vote. I will probably agonize about it until the deadline. Even though K am busy between now and then. Alright. Assuming you're town: I was up to be mislynched day1. Kurumi died. I could very well be the lynch today. All mafia needed to do was to keep throwing suspicions at me. EoN1. FF is dead. Shockey sees it and throw a bit of suspicions at me by saying I am either mafia or mafia tried to frame me by killing FF. This surely makes people WIFOM about my alignment. In other words, could be mafia tried to guarantee my mislynch day2. When pressured, Shockey is a bit confused in what to answer. I keep pressuring him and he says that he believes I'm town and that I was framed because FF was killed. But he can't really explain how FF being killed could imply I could be mafia. But if he really believes in this, he would expect that anyone pushing me today is mafia. Because, if this is not the case, why would the mafia team try to frame me? For nothing? You suspected me. So you're probably the mafia he is looking for. But when pressured to say you alignment, he said you are NULL. This shows how faulty this logic is and that Shockey can't find good reasons for what he is been posting. Which means he is probably fabricating posts to fit his agenda. His intention in the beginning of day2 was to try to have a mislynch on me, but it didn't work. I don't really want to put words in ShoCkeyy's mouth, but it's understandable to me that mafia could use a night kill to try and implicate someone and wait for town to lead that wagon. I've seen it happen before (or even not happen if town didn't go that way). Honestly if mafia tries to use the night kill to implicate someone, I think that's the smart way to do it. You don't risk yourself if town doesn't bite. Alright, but if he believes mafia tried to implicate me, it has a purpose, right? The purpose is to try to mislynch me. So, mafia will try to push a lynch on me. And you were the only one who did this today, right? This means Shockey needs to believe you are mafia and you're trying to mislynch me. But he said you were NULL. It doesn't fit his perspective. Therefore, he is mafia.
I think this is the strongest point for Shockeyy being mafia.
I still don't think it's as likely as Slam being mafia and there is simply no mafia team where Jock doesn't belong to so basically i am just gonna hope you guys are right then.
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On May 04 2020 03:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2020 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 04 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:On May 04 2020 03:16 Trfel wrote:On May 04 2020 03:11 GlowingBear wrote:On May 04 2020 03:04 Trfel wrote:On May 04 2020 02:58 GlowingBear wrote:On May 04 2020 02:53 Trfel wrote:On May 04 2020 02:42 GlowingBear wrote:On May 03 2020 23:17 Trfel wrote:No, I don't want to lynch Koshi. Of the three people currently at two votes I would most want to lynch Jockmcplop I think. I should probably read his filter again. And ShoCkeyy's too, for that matter. But I don't really want to vote with GlowingBear But maybe I should accept the possibility that I am wrong. Bleh, confusing game hurts my head Trfel, consider I'm confirmed town. Is there any reason to not vote Shockey? I don't know I've periodically been falling asleep while reading Jockmcplop's filter and ShoCkeyy's filter and keeping up with the thread (primarily Grackaroni's posts). When I look at ShoCkeyy's play this game vs his play last game (as mafia), I've actually felt like they are different. This game I see ShoCkeyy coming up with new ideas and sticking with them, and that makes me think he may be town. I didn't read his meta the same way Grackaroni did, I think we are looking at different aspects of ShoCkeyy's play. I don't know what that means. You're considering meta only. What about my argument on Shockey? Which one in particular? Sorry, you'll have to point me to what you are referring to. For the record the middle line of that paragraph wasn't meta but it doesn't really matter. @Koshi, sorry I may very well change my vote. I will probably agonize about it until the deadline. Even though K am busy between now and then. Alright. Assuming you're town: I was up to be mislynched day1. Kurumi died. I could very well be the lynch today. All mafia needed to do was to keep throwing suspicions at me. EoN1. FF is dead. Shockey sees it and throw a bit of suspicions at me by saying I am either mafia or mafia tried to frame me by killing FF. This surely makes people WIFOM about my alignment. In other words, could be mafia tried to guarantee my mislynch day2. When pressured, Shockey is a bit confused in what to answer. I keep pressuring him and he says that he believes I'm town and that I was framed because FF was killed. But he can't really explain how FF being killed could imply I could be mafia. But if he really believes in this, he would expect that anyone pushing me today is mafia. Because, if this is not the case, why would the mafia team try to frame me? For nothing? You suspected me. So you're probably the mafia he is looking for. But when pressured to say you alignment, he said you are NULL. This shows how faulty this logic is and that Shockey can't find good reasons for what he is been posting. Which means he is probably fabricating posts to fit his agenda. His intention in the beginning of day2 was to try to have a mislynch on me, but it didn't work. I don't really want to put words in ShoCkeyy's mouth, but it's understandable to me that mafia could use a night kill to try and implicate someone and wait for town to lead that wagon. I've seen it happen before (or even not happen if town didn't go that way). Honestly if mafia tries to use the night kill to implicate someone, I think that's the smart way to do it. You don't risk yourself if town doesn't bite. Alright, but if he believes mafia tried to implicate me, it has a purpose, right? The purpose is to try to mislynch me. So, mafia will try to push a lynch on me. And you were the only one who did this today, right? This means Shockey needs to believe you are mafia and you're trying to mislynch me. But he said you were NULL. It doesn't fit his perspective. Therefore, he is mafia. I think this is the strongest point for Shockeyy being mafia. I still don't think it's as likely as Slam being mafia and there is simply no mafia team where Jock doesn't belong to so basically i am just gonna hope you guys are right then. He’s making up some bullshit perspective just because I town read him.
That's not a bullshit perspective. You said mafia tried to do something and when someone acts just like you said mafia tried to do you don't scumread them.
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FYI Fecalfeast's last scumreads were;
GB (which he even backed off a little bit), Slam, Shockeyy, Grack (who is town) and Chezinu (who is blue).
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On May 04 2020 03:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2020 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 04 2020 03:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:On May 04 2020 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 04 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:On May 04 2020 03:16 Trfel wrote:On May 04 2020 03:11 GlowingBear wrote:On May 04 2020 03:04 Trfel wrote:On May 04 2020 02:58 GlowingBear wrote:On May 04 2020 02:53 Trfel wrote:[quote]I don't know I've periodically been falling asleep while reading Jockmcplop's filter and ShoCkeyy's filter and keeping up with the thread (primarily Grackaroni's posts). When I look at ShoCkeyy's play this game vs his play last game (as mafia), I've actually felt like they are different. This game I see ShoCkeyy coming up with new ideas and sticking with them, and that makes me think he may be town. I didn't read his meta the same way Grackaroni did, I think we are looking at different aspects of ShoCkeyy's play. I don't know what that means. You're considering meta only. What about my argument on Shockey? Which one in particular? Sorry, you'll have to point me to what you are referring to. For the record the middle line of that paragraph wasn't meta but it doesn't really matter. @Koshi, sorry I may very well change my vote. I will probably agonize about it until the deadline. Even though K am busy between now and then. Alright. Assuming you're town: I was up to be mislynched day1. Kurumi died. I could very well be the lynch today. All mafia needed to do was to keep throwing suspicions at me. EoN1. FF is dead. Shockey sees it and throw a bit of suspicions at me by saying I am either mafia or mafia tried to frame me by killing FF. This surely makes people WIFOM about my alignment. In other words, could be mafia tried to guarantee my mislynch day2. When pressured, Shockey is a bit confused in what to answer. I keep pressuring him and he says that he believes I'm town and that I was framed because FF was killed. But he can't really explain how FF being killed could imply I could be mafia. But if he really believes in this, he would expect that anyone pushing me today is mafia. Because, if this is not the case, why would the mafia team try to frame me? For nothing? You suspected me. So you're probably the mafia he is looking for. But when pressured to say you alignment, he said you are NULL. This shows how faulty this logic is and that Shockey can't find good reasons for what he is been posting. Which means he is probably fabricating posts to fit his agenda. His intention in the beginning of day2 was to try to have a mislynch on me, but it didn't work. I don't really want to put words in ShoCkeyy's mouth, but it's understandable to me that mafia could use a night kill to try and implicate someone and wait for town to lead that wagon. I've seen it happen before (or even not happen if town didn't go that way). Honestly if mafia tries to use the night kill to implicate someone, I think that's the smart way to do it. You don't risk yourself if town doesn't bite. Alright, but if he believes mafia tried to implicate me, it has a purpose, right? The purpose is to try to mislynch me. So, mafia will try to push a lynch on me. And you were the only one who did this today, right? This means Shockey needs to believe you are mafia and you're trying to mislynch me. But he said you were NULL. It doesn't fit his perspective. Therefore, he is mafia. I think this is the strongest point for Shockeyy being mafia. I still don't think it's as likely as Slam being mafia and there is simply no mafia team where Jock doesn't belong to so basically i am just gonna hope you guys are right then. He’s making up some bullshit perspective just because I town read him. That's not a bullshit perspective. You said mafia tried to do something and when someone acts just like you said mafia tried to do you don't scumread them. Wait what? Why would I read GB as mafia if I said he got framed... that makes no sense.
You really dont even realise what you did, do you?
You said mafia framed GB for lynch D2. Trfel is the only player trying to push GB's lynch D2. You don't think Trfel is mafia. Ring any bells? Your don't stick to your own story because if mafia is trying to frame GB you should automatically at least heavily consider Trfel being mafia for TRYING TO FRAME GB.. Obviously Trfel isn't stupid enough to jsut come to the thread and say "hey now we need to lynch GB because FF thought he was mafia and FF died", no, he is gonna do it in some more subtle way (let's say like exactly he did). Yet you care zero amounts of the only person who even remotely looks like he is trying to follow up on framing GB.....
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Basically he just writes a lot of words but never goes anywhere.
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well i tried.
hope you're right.
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Vivax, do you want to talk or stay chill?
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