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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
May 06 2020 07:52 GMT
#1593
So Jock maybe you can explain to me why Chez decided to vote for you together with his entire delegation of scumreads.
Because that's the only guy I'd lynch over you.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
May 06 2020 08:00 GMT
#1594
The way I see it you're telling me my two top town are my teammates and that doesn't fly to well, that goes without saying.

I also don't think you'd believe rayn to have been wrong about everything before getting shot.

At the very least you should have a mild suspicion of Slam, or some slamdunk (no pun intended) argument for him being town.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
May 06 2020 08:08 GMT
#1599
On May 06 2020 17:01 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2020 16:52 Vivax wrote:
So Jock maybe you can explain to me why Chez decided to vote for you together with his entire delegation of scumreads.
Because that's the only guy I'd lynch over you.


I can't explain anything chez does. Either he's scum, and i'm totally wrong about my other scumreads, and that's why he voted for me, or he's town and doing something i don't understand. It doesn't make much sense i agree.

If I wasn't so sure on trfel and you being scum i would totally lynch chez here but the three of you as a scum team just doesn't work. If chez is scum i literally have no idea who the other scum are. Slam maybe. I can't really see it though.

So you think chez and I are scum, who do you think the third scum is?



Gubgub or slam. Don't really feel like it's something I have to think about today.
Unless you are town that is, but then your job is to convince me, maybe others why one of those is mafia. We lose otherwise.

The way I'm looking at it you're essentially self-destructing with weird hipster reads and I don't take any responsibility at all if you get mislynched.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
May 06 2020 16:35 GMT
#1659
Still don't know what Slam is doing.
I know that it feels like almost everyone has Chez as possible mafia but no one is voting for him. That usually means something.

But we can keep that in mind for tomorrow if the game doesn't end. Wagon feels good to me and there's enough dudes going sort of ape with Jock on the table.

Grack, you bored greenchecked mafia, what do you make of Chez after today?Still null?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
May 06 2020 16:45 GMT
#1664
On May 07 2020 01:38 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2020 01:35 Vivax wrote:
Still don't know what Slam is doing.
I know that it feels like almost everyone has Chez as possible mafia but no one is voting for him. That usually means something.

But we can keep that in mind for tomorrow if the game doesn't end. Wagon feels good to me and there's enough dudes going sort of ape with Jock on the table.

Grack, you bored greenchecked mafia, what do you make of Chez after today?Still null?

gameplay says scum and theory crafting says there should be two blues and nobody else but Chez could be a blue.


Well, I skipped the theorycrafting part.

Will look into associations if we're still playing after the lynch Trfel.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
May 06 2020 17:02 GMT
#1667
Yeah is anyone not around at deadline? Trfel isn't I think.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
May 06 2020 17:15 GMT
#1677
##Unvote
##Vote GB


Good call to claim at the end of the day.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
May 06 2020 17:40 GMT
#1681
On May 07 2020 02:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2020 02:03 Trfel wrote:
How to Solve the Unsolvable Game
On May 05 2020 16:45 Koshi wrote:
Town 99% certain lost.
Fortunately, I still have one card to play.

I claim Town Tracker.

Hard claim. No take-backsies or any of that.

I know, I'm surprised there are two investigative roles in the game. But the setup is what the setup is, it's up to us to play it to the best of our abilities.

Night 1: Tracked Koshi. Koshi did not visit anyone.
Night 2: Tracked GlowingBear. GlowingBear visited Chezinu.

Please note a few things about the setup of the game. First, non-vt roles are unique. This includes the mafia team. The mafia team comprises of up to one goon (who delivers the night kill) and two to three of the following: roleblocker, framer, godfather, and mason. Also, keep in mind that roleblocking the veteran does not prevent his ability from blocking a kill in this game.

I believe:
GlowingBear is the mafia roleblocker/framer who visited Chezinu on Night 2.

Framing causes the framed player to visit a random player on that night only (not all future nights, like framing in some other mafia games). So a Night 1 frame on GlowingBear would not cause him to visit a player on Night 2. Also note that framing another mafia member is useless in this game, as framing causes them to return mafia to checks, not reverse the alignment.

There is the possibility that GlowingBear himself is the mafia framer and framed Chezinu on Night 2, but I think it is more likely that he is the roleblocker. The reason for this is that Chezinu was hinting at being a power role for a significant portion, as was raynpelikoneet. It makes sense that mafia would roleblock Chezinu and kill raynpelikoneet in this situation. However, if GlowingBear is the mafia framer, I would still consider it a successful lynch.

GlowingBear as mafia would never visit mafia!Chezinu in this way. Therefore, unless GlowingBear was framed on Night 2, he is 100% mafia. I consider the odds quite good. And furthermore, if GlowingBear is indeed mafia, Chezinu is confirmed town. That's why I have been hard townreading Chezinu despite knowing that he is not blue.

Player List
Chezinu
Grackaroni?
Vivax
Alakaslam
Jockmcplop
Koshi
GlowingBear
Trfel

From here the game still has some difficulty, but the above is what is known. Hopefully as more mafia are lynched, the roles of the mafia players make things more clear.

For example, I very, very, very strongly believe Jockmcplop to be mafia, enough that I would be willing to lynch him over nearly-confirmed-mafia GlowingBear today (Day 3, at the time of writing). If Jockmcplop flips mafia goon, unfortunately this is not very helpful. I expect Jockmcplop to be the goon because of Murphy's Law. However, if Jockmcplop flips any other mafia role, we know that the third mafia (not GlowingBear, if he was the goon then Chezinu would be dead, and not Jockmcplop) has to be the goon, because mafia roles are all unique. And remember, the goon delivers the night kill until they are dead. This would all but confirm Koshi as town, because he did not visit anyone on Night 1 (there would need to be three mafia roles, none of which are the goon, and Koshi would need to be the godfather or mason and not deliver the night kill). If Jockmcplop flips godfather, this would also make it even more likely that GlowingBear is mafia and Grackaroni is town (as there is even less likelihood of a framer in a game with an unaware miller and a godfather).

One other thing that can be tried is trying to figure out who is the mason. I personally believe that the mason is mafia, otherwise there is no reason for the mason not to have claimed already (even if not to save ShoCkeyy, why not still claim?). I believe that the mason would rather avoid the attention that claiming mason would cause, thus is playing to survive, and therefore is mafia. If no town players claim mason, then we know the remaining mason is mafia, as masons are required to be a pair. If a mafia member is a mason, they can't have any other role (at least, I think this is true anyway, might be worth asking). Therefore, it's even less likely for a framer to exist (assuming GlowingBear flips roleblocker).

Unless mafia decides to try and counterclaim (which I welcome with open arms), I will be dead and there will still be two lynches ahead. I strongly recommend lynching Jockmcplop and Alakaslam.

Reading Grackaroni as mafia is quite tinfoil-y, but this possibility can be addressed if needed when there is only one mafia left. As more information about the mafia roles is revealed, more information about whether it's possible for Grackaroni to be mafia here is likewise revealed.

Koshi is also almost certainly town. In addition to not visiting anyone Night 1, he hard-pushed GlowingBear on Day 1 and nearly lynched him.

Vivax is very likely to be town here as well. In my opinion, Vivax's play this game has been a solid average. I realize that this is underwhelming for him given the very strong town games he has played recently. However, I also know that Vivax's meta as mafia is to afk and play a very weak game (admittedly this is an old meta since there haven't been many games for the past few years, so take it with a grain of salt). So I could see Vivax playing like this as mafia. The question is, how likely is it? Is it more likely that Vivax is playing a pretty amazing scum game here, or that obviously suspicious people like Jockmcplop and Alakaslam are mafia? I think viewing Vivax as mafia here is quite paranoid, given the much more obvious targets available (Jockmcplop and Alakaslam).

Conclusion

Unfortunately, I failed to confirm anything for certain. However, a lot of things are very, very likely with this claim. These are as follows:
GlowingBear is mafia
Chezinu is town
Koshi is town

And with a few basic associations,
Jockmcplop is mafia
Grackaroni is town
Alakaslam is mafia

I haven't had the time to do this yet, but please, please, please, someone look through GlowingBear's filter. Look at how he and Jockmcplop have been townreading each other since the start of Night 1 for very weak reasons, no matter what evidence is presented. Look at how GlowingBear is so averse to lynching Jockmcplop here. Look how Alakaslam is trying to find the easiest lynch that isn't Jockmcplop, despite Jockmcplop being in his POE mafia list. The associations are strong. Please, please, please heavily consider the following mafia team:

GlowingBear
Jockmcplop
Alakaslam


It's been a pleasure playing with you all. I look forward to hopefully playing together again soon.
+ Show Spoiler [Why did you say this now?] +
I didn't want to post this before the End of Night 3 unless I absolutely had to. The main reason is to try and get one more track in (I'd track Alakaslam, he's the mafia target I am least confident in). However, another reason is that I believe that flipping one mafia who isn't GlowingBear will provide even more information on GlowingBear's alignment and the possible roles of the mafia team. And I am very confident that Jockmcplop is mafia here, I am very willing to stake the game on it. I'm possibly even more confident in Jockmcplop being mafia than I am in GlowingBear being mafia, despite the track and all.

If this is posted at the End of Night 3 after all, I apologize to town for not being more quiet over Day 3 and kinda giving away that I am a power role. My best play was to keep my mouth shut and not draw attention to get a third track action and hopefully seal the game away. Unfortunately, it was difficult for me to judge how much guidance town needed, and more importantly, I was just plain bored on Day 3, so I needed to be involved and post my thoughts.

I don't know when this will actually be posted, I am writing this in the middle of Day 3. I apologize if some of the information is a bit out-of-date, I doubt I had the time and/or motivation to edit this post.

+ Show Spoiler [Music] +
Perhaps more appropriate for me than for you, given the circumstances But we're all in Endgame now.


##Unvote
##Vote: Trfel


Very well played, I'd never thought you would be mafia in this game


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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
May 06 2020 17:53 GMT
#1689
On May 07 2020 02:46 Alakaslam wrote:
Hmm. Claim looks fake due to the overall context. I feel comfortable with my vote.

##Summon Chezinu

I think U are the real bloo m8


Explain?
Did Trfel just claim to save Jock who he was voting before, or what is it you're suggesting.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
May 06 2020 18:06 GMT
#1708
On May 07 2020 02:55 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2020 02:53 Vivax wrote:
On May 07 2020 02:46 Alakaslam wrote:
Hmm. Claim looks fake due to the overall context. I feel comfortable with my vote.

##Summon Chezinu

I think U are the real bloo m8


Explain?
Did Trfel just claim to save Jock who he was voting before, or what is it you're suggesting.

I strongly believe you are scum at this point. Glowingbear has said it better just now. He has been town to me almost all game because he understood Kurumi as I did.

Kurumi is town MVP. We got rid of him too early.


Sorry bro but your vote was with me on GB when Kurumi was lynched.
Pretty nonsensical to say he's your townbro now because of a read on Kurumi when you didn't think so D1.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
May 06 2020 18:11 GMT
#1716
On May 07 2020 03:08 Koshi wrote:
Vivax read tfrel filter. Does it show that he has a redcheck on GB?????

Not at fucking all right?


Two thread leaders (Koshi and Vivax) townread GlowingBear well before Jockmcplop confirmed his townread on GlowingBear. Therefore I don't believe that GlowingBear's reason to townread Jockmcplop is valid (even if GlowingBear is town).

GlowingBear, thoughts?


I don't really see why he puts this caveat in here if GB is conf scum to him.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
May 06 2020 18:22 GMT
#1728
If Trfel is mafia here that was a ballsy play.

I mean he'd have had to bus Jock hardcore all day, saw two votes on himself, got cold feet and prepared that post to save Jock or something.

Meanwhile nurturing us with Jock-GB interactions so at least he appeared half-right.

Isn't Jock always mafia in this scenario?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
May 06 2020 18:41 GMT
#1749
I looked at Trfel's read on Chez. One's on N2, the other is today.
It actually is consistent with the claim.

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 04 2020 05:22 Trfel wrote:
Finished lunch. On a computer now.

Let me know if anyone wants to talk, I'll be on and off between this and schoolwork.

Before Rereading

Town
Vivax - Only other player who has been consistently present and trying to find mafia

Maybe Town
Grackaroni - Good thoughts on ShoCkeyy even if wrong, need to double check though
Alakaslam - Seems like he is actually trying to solve the game
Koshi - Effort, re-evaluating reads, trying to solve the game
raynpelikoneet - Trying to solve the game, willing to work with people. Didn't make much of a fuss about ShoCkeyy getting lynched, need to re-evaluate this

Maybe Mafia
Chezinu - Very distant, disinterested
Jockmcplop - Hiding in the background, not posting original thoughts/reads
GlowingBear - Scumreads feel fabricated, doesn't seem to care about them

9 players left. 6 v 3. After the night kill it'll be 5 v 3, so that makes it MYLO currently. Lousy position to be in


On May 05 2020 06:50 Trfel wrote:
Town
Chezinu
Grackaroni

Town?
Vivax
Koshi

Mafia?
Alakaslam

Mafia
Jockmcplop
GlowingBear




What doesn't make sense are these two posts:

On May 06 2020 12:10 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2020 12:04 Chezinu wrote:
ok, confession time...

Guys, I did not role check Grack. I just said he was town with a question mark because he acknowledge my role Day 1 and the mafia didn't kill me.
Chezinu I really thought you were town


On May 06 2020 12:23 Trfel wrote:
But that means there's a blue who hasn't claimed, why?


Post 1 should never have happened if Chez was confirmed town for Trfel.

##Unvote
##Vote Trfel
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
May 06 2020 18:43 GMT
#1751
But wait. If it's Chez + Trfel, who the fuck is the third mafia? Has to be Koshi or Grack.

##Unvote
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
May 06 2020 18:48 GMT
#1757
On May 07 2020 03:45 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2020 03:43 Vivax wrote:
But wait. If it's Chez + Trfel, who the fuck is the third mafia? Has to be Koshi or Grack.

##Unvote

Evil Vivax, you know I would have voted already if I was mafia.


No, you're just going to pile into the townie at the end. That's why you aren't committing.
I'll have to go with Trfel being town here, or everything I believed was wrong.

##Vote Glowingbear
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
May 06 2020 18:58 GMT
#1767
You're here after all? What the fuck man
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
May 06 2020 19:00 GMT
#1776
On May 07 2020 03:59 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2020 03:43 Vivax wrote:
But wait. If it's Chez + Trfel, who the fuck is the third mafia? Has to be Koshi or Grack.

##Unvote

Why is this even a reason to u vote? Why wouldnt it be one of us lol???


Fuck you for being scum
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
May 06 2020 19:18 GMT
#1782
SHAME
SHAME
SHAME
SHAME
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
May 06 2020 19:58 GMT
#1802
On May 07 2020 04:54 Koshi wrote:
Still sad I voted with 3 mafia


We were way better off when we were lynching Jock.
Thanks for scumclaiming, I guess.
Keep the crocodile tears coming.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
May 07 2020 06:18 GMT
#1812
GB is conf. scum and the roleblocker. Chez is town. Grack pocketed me hard if he's mafia, but he deserves to win just for that and being greenchecked, which is a tiny chance. I don't know what anyone else is. Going to bother with that after GB lynch.
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