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On May 01 2020 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 02:03 GlowingBear wrote:On May 01 2020 01:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 01 2020 01:45 GlowingBear wrote:
I was starting a case on rayn but caught up with work.
I can't keep fighting my lynch, you do what you want. You already know who I think is mafia.
Koshi/Jock/ and one between rayn and slam
Shockeyy could be mafia if he is too apologetic.
GG
Play the game please. You're gonna fight your lynch if you are town and you're gonna fight your lynch if you're mafia. Unless you want us to just kill you which we will do regardless of your affiliation if you act like this. Why would you want to build a case on me if you have two bigger scumreads from which at least one has a really decent chance of being lynched? It's not that I don't want to play, it's that I can't actually keep reading the game right now because I'm caught up with work. I've already said what I think. And you realized I thought you were blue or mafia. You don't take hard stances, your vote on Jock was because "he can look town while been mafia", you have a scum read on grack and you decided to sheep koshi because "he is certainly town" for bad meta. Your under the radar play here would only make sense here if you have a power role as town. well okay, everything here is pretty much not right. I am not blue fingers crossed now you can actually call me mafia. Do your best if that's what you want to do.
I don't really care now what you are, I think Jock is more likely to be mafia and I'll vote him for all the reasons I've already said. You either agree with me and vote him or you don't and vote me.
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On May 01 2020 02:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 02:11 GlowingBear wrote:On May 01 2020 02:07 Trfel wrote:On May 01 2020 02:04 GlowingBear wrote:
I'll be here discussing but don't expect much because I'm working GlowingBear, my main question to you concerns your townread on Kurumi. Yes, Kurumi's post was pretty and showed effort. But it was largely a summary of the thread, and only the parts on myself and raynpelikoneet showed any amount of thought whatsoever (not even going to discuss it, but you know my thoughts on that). Why can't scum put in effort? Especially when it doesn't involve thinking or figuring out who is mafia? Scum CAN put effort, but they are most likely not. It's not solely effort that I am townreading Kurumi. He also had the same perspective as me in the beginning of the game, which points out to him being the same alignment as me, and his thoughts are always crystal clear, original, and kept discussion going. That's why he is town. I will let you do your thing after this one, but i have to do this: Why does that make Kurumi town (aside from him "mindmelding with you" which is really stupid tbh), and why doesn't that make let's say me and Trfel town? Because i can easily apply your narrative to Trfel (and myself but if you want to see myself biased towards me then let's only talk about Trfel).
I've already said Trfel is probably town because of these very reasons. I can't say the same about you. I couldn't say what your reads were at least until mid day1, then you voted jock without actually providing reasons, all the information I have about it is that "he could certainly look town as mafia). Then you felt Grack was mafia but ignored this read to sheep koshi into me. Sounds like mafia to me, you're not taking hard stances. But I could be OMGUSing and I thought about the possibility of you being blue. That's the only reason I don't call you certainly mafia.
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On May 01 2020 02:18 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 02:11 GlowingBear wrote:On May 01 2020 02:07 Trfel wrote:On May 01 2020 02:04 GlowingBear wrote:
I'll be here discussing but don't expect much because I'm working GlowingBear, my main question to you concerns your townread on Kurumi. Yes, Kurumi's post was pretty and showed effort. But it was largely a summary of the thread, and only the parts on myself and raynpelikoneet showed any amount of thought whatsoever (not even going to discuss it, but you know my thoughts on that). Why can't scum put in effort? Especially when it doesn't involve thinking or figuring out who is mafia? Scum CAN put effort, but they are most likely not. It's not solely effort that I am townreading Kurumi. He also had the same perspective as me in the beginning of the game, which points out to him being the same alignment as me, and his thoughts are always crystal clear, original, and kept discussion going. That's why he is town. I'd ask you to reread the post/Kurumi's filter except you said you're at work and can't, I'll try to respect that. I guess I can agree that his thoughts are clear, and original, and kept discussion going. I would also say they have logical flaws and don't make sense though. What exactly did you and him "mindmeld" about? Just my opening? Because I'd consider agreeing about that fairly insignificant.
His reaction to your opening and his responses to rayn were solid and it felt original, and I had the same thought process. In other words, if someone is having the same perspective as I, he is probably town. This is weak but this is only one of the reasons why I consider him town.
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On May 01 2020 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 02:13 Trfel wrote:On April 30 2020 23:57 GlowingBear wrote:On April 30 2020 23:45 Koshi wrote:
You dont have Slam as a scumread. Merely mentioned him being wishy washy. That is just an observation. Nothing more at all.
Your jock scumread was teiggered by jock doing something super dumb which looked mafia. So you went for the safe jump on jock without thinking twice.
You are not trying to solve this game enough to call you town or to leave you alive.
You make no waves at all. You voted Vivax and it had 0.0000% impact. No explanation no nothing.
You call rayn town and it had 0.000% impact on the game. No explanation no nothing.
Early game you claim to have the same suspicion of tfrel as kurumi, hence the townread, yet when you talk to Tfrel there is absolutely nothing there to support that claim. You backed off from the conversation I started actually reading the thread and I was posting what it appeared to be more significative, Slam is a scum read because of his wishy washiness. He simply isn't making any hard stances and that's why I think he is probably mafia. Jock's vote wasn't just super dumb, it simply doesn't make sense from a town perspective. And if it doesn't make sense from a town perspective, he is probably mafia. I tried to play a bit more but I wasn't feeling well, I did my best to catch up with what is written. I never called rayn town. I don't like how he is not taking hard stances, but I have a gut feeling he is probably town and I don't want to talk about it for reasons. I'd rather have him alive and think about him later. I thought Trfel could be mafia if he was actually lazy. My intention with pointing that out was to generate discussion. I think he has being posted a fair amount of information and he is playing more like he is town. I'm not lynching Trfel here. Kurumi posted the same thoughts I had on Trfel and he kept answering rayn in the same way I was thinking, meaning we are coming from the same perspective - hence, town. His wall of texts has he thought process completely displayed on thread, crystal clear. He's not to be discussed day1 after that. Same thing with Vivax. I had the impression on the beginning of the game that he was acting a bit fake, but he is actively contributing with the thread and clearly displaying his thought process. I didn't read what Grackaroni posted. Shockeyy had a bad opening on you, could be mafia, but I wouldn't lynch him today because he does look like mafia as town and he isn't been apologetic for not playing (which I believe is a scum meta for him) Chez is BROWN <3 FF's post about re-reading the thread and flipping his opinion makes him town. I don't know who I'm forgetting, let me see @Vivax and the rest, what makes this post so bad? I get that this wasn't really pertinent to the discussion, but I don't think that makes GlowingBear mafia. The main issue I see with it is that there are a lot of townreads and very few scumreads (really only on Alakaslam), but given that there's only 25 pages in the thread I don't find it completely unreasonable. My gut says GlowingBear isn't mafia, my head doesn't have great reasons to call him mafia, unless something changes I don't really want to lynch him today. he says: jock is mafia slam is mafia rayn can be town or mafia trfel could be town or mafia well whatever, everything else is someone can be town or mafia aside from Kurumi. into later "jock and KOSHI are mafia but i am gonna make a case on rayn". what's GOOD in that?
This is not true, I also said I believe Vivax is town for the same reasons why Kurumi is and I also said I believe Trfel is probably town.
I can't have better reads from the others because they are basically question marks. How do you read Chez? FF is town just because of that innocent post alone, because, otherwise, he would be a question mark too.
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Now I really need to work, I'll get back soon
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I'm here, can't catch up everything though, gonna skim
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On May 01 2020 03:44 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nice that you decided to magically appear just now. I waited until my lynch was more or less assured, I asked for a replacement 11 and half hours ago because I couldn't muster any interest to play this game. So to make sure you don't make me suffer another fucking cycle I decided to come and say hi. You mad?
Why would your lynch be guaranteed? Nobody was actually hard scumreading you
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You should vote Jock since he is mafia + basically afked the hell out of this game
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On May 01 2020 03:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 03:46 Koshi wrote:
rayn I will be very upset with if kurumi flips town. Me too but what? I dont think i am gonna vote for GB over him and Jock.
Then vote jock with me
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On May 01 2020 03:49 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 03:47 GlowingBear wrote:On May 01 2020 03:44 Kurumi wrote:On May 01 2020 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nice that you decided to magically appear just now. I waited until my lynch was more or less assured, I asked for a replacement 11 and half hours ago because I couldn't muster any interest to play this game. So to make sure you don't make me suffer another fucking cycle I decided to come and say hi. You mad? Why would your lynch be guaranteed? Nobody was actually hard scumreading you That's literally why I'm getting lynched. You bunch basically foregone any scumreading and consolidating and decided that going for roflmaowagons in the last hour or two is the towniest game you can play.
Kurumi, this doesn't make sense, you were not being scumread most of the game. If there is a wagon forming on you, you can expect that there's at least one mafia going after you, don't you?
Who would you like to vote?
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On May 01 2020 03:53 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do people so hard want to ruin the game every single fucking time i am town? Yeah, I ask those questions myself every time people fuxking quintuple post with one liners in span of 10 minutes.
LOL regardless of alignment, this is such an unnecessary and pitiful post
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On May 01 2020 03:59 Alakaslam wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: GlowingBear
GG
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But I can't say I'm sorry due to his behaviour near deadline
Gotta work now
Veteran, kill jock
Kthxbai
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On May 01 2020 04:29 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GB reads now.
They didn't change and I have to work. I'll play more tonight.
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I'll be playing a bit of diplomacy and then I'll come back here.
I don't want to make excuses but I'm going through a bit here. Nothing to worry about, but I'm not feeling well most of the time and I've comitted to more work than I can probably handle.
I'll be refreshing the page while I play so if you have anything to ask me, I'm here.
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On May 01 2020 11:20 Trfel wrote:
@GlowingBear, why is Jockmcplop mafia?
I don't get why the Koshi vote and unvote makes him mafia. I don't get why anything else makes him mafia either. Please explain?
I think his Koshi vote and unvote doesn't make sense as town. He either was joke on both of his posts or was serious in both of them. Joking on the first and being serious on the unvote, or the opposite, doesn't make sense.
But I've been thinking about this and I believe I was too tunneled with this. I don't actually have anything against jock besides this thought process that I couldn't get behind. I also don't believe that him, as mafia, would not vote anyone and AFK. He could've just drop a vote on someone.
Who I now believe is probably mafia is rayn. I've been fixated in him being blue and after my last game with HolyFlare I didn't want to go against a high profile player because of incongruencies in his posts. Thinking of it now, that's stupid.
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On May 01 2020 11:29 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 10:49 GlowingBear wrote:On April 30 2020 00:03 Kurumi wrote:Slam, everyone, please don't spam post, it really doesn't help. I decided to make a list for summary's sake and that we hopefully don't miss out something later. No contribution so far:Grackaroni (posted, but it is literally an introduction post and a youtube-link post) Fecalfeast (admitted to not reading the thread) Koshi (no posts at all) Jockmcplop (no posts at all) Chezinu (but talking Chezinu and contributing is a whole can of worms)
Low-effort/medium activityShockeyy (claims town and wanting to lead it, pings me through quoting Vivax, scumreads Alakaslam, notes that Trfel has played games back-to-back and understands their desire to be lazy) Alakaslam (notes the cop-outs, pings me, claimed town, seemingly agrees with me, Vivax, torn about Trfel anyway) GlowingBear (pings Vivax, then votes them without providing more reasoning, interacts with Trfel on basis of past games, although seemingly agrees with me, is interested in how Trfel is going to play) Funnily enough, if someone were to put a gun to my head right now, I'd say all three are Town. That only means I at this moment lean Town more on them than Scum and it's flimsy enough to flip fast. If I were to pick the strongest town feel out of these three, it would be Slam because I liked him noticing the cop-outs and well, I like that he seems to agree with me  ActiveVivax (pinged me, wanted to interact with people and did, pressured Fecalfeast through a vote on good reasoning after I asked for who I should be looking into, most importantly, came to the exact same conclusions I have right now.)
KurumiTrfel
raynpelikoneetI have no idea with which one of these two I should start. There's an obvious triangle between them and me - with them defending each-other and pushing me, but pushing me so lightly that they don't even commit to a vote. And they do all this for me JUST pinging Trfel. Never called Trfel scum. Never voted Trfel. That's a misrepresentation. But the moment I mention Trfel to rayn, he believes that Trfel has shown "effort" (they did not, as I outlined in a post of mine). After this, rayn declares I should be suspicious of him because of his defense of Trfel - to which I have replied already as well. I was. I know that rayn tunnel-visions a lot, but the play he's shown this game is outright bogus to me. Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. They go as far as literally reiterating rayn's previous point he made to me about how I should be suspicious of rayn and me not being suspicious of rayn is scummy. They also misrepresent me as saying "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy" which is wildly untrue. I expressed DOUBTS whether I can do that. Not that I can and will. And you know what's the best thing ever in Trfel's posting? On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote:
-snip-
However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious. Amazing backpedal. So your plan from the start of the game was claim to be lazy and then call the first person to call you out scum? Because "mostly joking"? So not only you've lied about "being lazy" this game through your gameplay after I put some heat on you, you also admit it outright? Cool. So, the only reason I'm voting Trfel over raynpelikoneet really is that I think Trfel has a role. I'd rather have a scum-with-role dead than a vanilla scum dead. Easy? Easy. ##vote Trfel+ Show Spoiler [unofficial votecount] +
Fecalfeast - 0
Vivax
raynpelikoneet - 1
Vivax
Vivax - 1
GlowingBear
This is the best post in thread and Kurumi is top town. There is no way scum would put so much effort while also mindmelding with me in the beginning of the game. Also, @GlowingBear, why was this post the best post in the thread to you? I get that it was a lot of effort and made Kurumi look town to you, but I don't see your conclusions matching Kurumi's conclusions in this post. Calling it the "best post in the thread" seems like quite the stretch.
Trfel, this is the only post where I saw someone trying to understand everyone from every perspective. It has original and genuine content, his thought process is clear, and there was a high amout of information people could use to discuss. I can actually undrestand him being upset, this post was either ignored or called scummy. I'm pretty sure he took tremendous amount of time to write all of this, to analyse people's post.
It doesn't mean he is right. It means it shows he is town. He wasn't even under pressure, he didn't neet to post this. Not an easy feat to do as mafia. He should never be the lynch today with so many people that don't post a single information in thread.
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On May 01 2020 08:03 Vivax wrote:GB, Shockeyy is up close. I'd like Shockeyy to continue his inquiry into Slam though. I didn't finish looking at EoD from a lynch derailing perspective and wagon analysis, but rayn's switch looks bad to me. I thought he was as confident as me on GB.
LOL Vivax, then finish EoD because it makes no sense to keep calling me scum right now. It should be obvious to you
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On May 01 2020 12:10 Trfel wrote:
For the record, Jockmcplop was joking in both of his posts. Thanks for explaining though.
Care to summarize why raynpelikoneet is mafia to you? I skimmed your filter for it again and I don't believe you ever clearly laid it out. No rush, if you want to play Diplomacy first I'll be here a few hours.
I've finished playing diplo today, I'll stay here for like 30 minutes before going to sleep. Jock wasn't joking on both of his posts because he said himself he GENUINELY THOUGHT KOSHI WAS MAFIA because of his opening.
I've already talked about rayn, but okay, I'll flesh out.
I think rayn has been under the radar and not actually taking hard stances.
Early day1 he said you had a thought process that made you look townie. What is so particularly townie in thinking "I'm lazy haha won't be posting much okay lol"? There's nothing townie to read into it. His read seemed forced.
Then he later went on the game just talking a bit but without taking any hard stance. He was suspicious of Kurumi but didn't push his lynch. He decided to vote for jock but I couldn't find anything in his filter where he said why jock was mafia other than "jock can look very townie when he is mafia". That's not a reason to vote him.
He then went under the radar and only changed his vote to sheep Koshi on a faint reason to call me mafia. He decided I wasn't a good lynch today and went against Kurumi who we know is town.
it doesn't make sense, it feels rayn is just trying to survive. I thought that he might be blue because of this, I didn't really want to engage in a shitfest saying RAYN IS MAFIA WHARRGARBL.
But now, thinking about it, he is most likely mafia instead of blue.
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