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On May 04 2020 03:16 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2020 03:11 GlowingBear wrote:On May 04 2020 03:04 Trfel wrote:On May 04 2020 02:58 GlowingBear wrote:On May 04 2020 02:53 Trfel wrote:On May 04 2020 02:42 GlowingBear wrote:On May 03 2020 23:17 Trfel wrote:No, I don't want to lynch Koshi. Of the three people currently at two votes I would most want to lynch Jockmcplop I think. I should probably read his filter again. And ShoCkeyy's too, for that matter. But I don't really want to vote with GlowingBear  But maybe I should accept the possibility that I am wrong. Bleh, confusing game hurts my head Trfel, consider I'm confirmed town. Is there any reason to not vote Shockey? I don't know I've periodically been falling asleep while reading Jockmcplop's filter and ShoCkeyy's filter and keeping up with the thread (primarily Grackaroni's posts). When I look at ShoCkeyy's play this game vs his play last game (as mafia), I've actually felt like they are different. This game I see ShoCkeyy coming up with new ideas and sticking with them, and that makes me think he may be town. I didn't read his meta the same way Grackaroni did, I think we are looking at different aspects of ShoCkeyy's play. I don't know what that means. You're considering meta only. What about my argument on Shockey? Which one in particular? Sorry, you'll have to point me to what you are referring to. For the record the middle line of that paragraph wasn't meta but it doesn't really matter. @Koshi, sorry I may very well change my vote. I will probably agonize about it until the deadline. Even though K am busy between now and then. Alright. Assuming you're town: I was up to be mislynched day1. Kurumi died. I could very well be the lynch today. All mafia needed to do was to keep throwing suspicions at me. EoN1. FF is dead. Shockey sees it and throw a bit of suspicions at me by saying I am either mafia or mafia tried to frame me by killing FF. This surely makes people WIFOM about my alignment. In other words, could be mafia tried to guarantee my mislynch day2. When pressured, Shockey is a bit confused in what to answer. I keep pressuring him and he says that he believes I'm town and that I was framed because FF was killed. But he can't really explain how FF being killed could imply I could be mafia. But if he really believes in this, he would expect that anyone pushing me today is mafia. Because, if this is not the case, why would the mafia team try to frame me? For nothing? You suspected me. So you're probably the mafia he is looking for. But when pressured to say you alignment, he said you are NULL. This shows how faulty this logic is and that Shockey can't find good reasons for what he is been posting. Which means he is probably fabricating posts to fit his agenda. His intention in the beginning of day2 was to try to have a mislynch on me, but it didn't work. I don't really want to put words in ShoCkeyy's mouth, but it's understandable to me that mafia could use a night kill to try and implicate someone and wait for town to lead that wagon. I've seen it happen before (or even not happen if town didn't go that way). Honestly if mafia tries to use the night kill to implicate someone, I think that's the smart way to do it. You don't risk yourself if town doesn't bite.
I think the night kill says that mafia don't feel intimated by Rayn/Koshi. I'd expect one of them to be scum tbh, but if GB is mafia with neither of them then he made a really ballsy choice to leave them both in. If they both put in their town play Rayn/Koshi could come together and give GB hell for a second cycle in a row.
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I'll give this another look really quick.
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I know some people are saying Jock is re-evaluating the game after the FF flip but i don't really see it. I honestly first thouhg Jock is town because why would he kill FF, his scumread (unless GB is mafia too -- but right now i don't expect that to be true). Just look at Jock's re-evaluation:
- First he says he needs to re-evaluate things because FF his scumread died
- He never evaluates GB, which is the first thing he should do
- The he says he need to reread Shockeyy because "a lot of alignments depend on Shockeyys" (i dont even understand why he thinks that because he never explains anything about it)
- But he doesn't really reread Shockeyy on any level, he just comes back with some random posts and says that Shockeyy is town because ??? and Koshi and Shockeyy are opposing alignments and because of a BAD post Shockeyy made on Koshi that could make him think Shockeyy actually could be mafia but without no investigation on that ever in the game he just ends up on Shockeyy being town again and Koshi being mafia.
- Basically he never re-evaluated anything and just ended up with whatever he had before the night kill. That's literally ALL his posts during D2 so basically he hasn't done anything lol.
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On May 04 2020 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:On May 04 2020 03:16 Trfel wrote:On May 04 2020 03:11 GlowingBear wrote:On May 04 2020 03:04 Trfel wrote:On May 04 2020 02:58 GlowingBear wrote:On May 04 2020 02:53 Trfel wrote:On May 04 2020 02:42 GlowingBear wrote:On May 03 2020 23:17 Trfel wrote:No, I don't want to lynch Koshi. Of the three people currently at two votes I would most want to lynch Jockmcplop I think. I should probably read his filter again. And ShoCkeyy's too, for that matter. But I don't really want to vote with GlowingBear But maybe I should accept the possibility that I am wrong. Bleh, confusing game hurts my head Trfel, consider I'm confirmed town. Is there any reason to not vote Shockey? I don't know I've periodically been falling asleep while reading Jockmcplop's filter and ShoCkeyy's filter and keeping up with the thread (primarily Grackaroni's posts). When I look at ShoCkeyy's play this game vs his play last game (as mafia), I've actually felt like they are different. This game I see ShoCkeyy coming up with new ideas and sticking with them, and that makes me think he may be town. I didn't read his meta the same way Grackaroni did, I think we are looking at different aspects of ShoCkeyy's play. I don't know what that means. You're considering meta only. What about my argument on Shockey? Which one in particular? Sorry, you'll have to point me to what you are referring to. For the record the middle line of that paragraph wasn't meta but it doesn't really matter. @Koshi, sorry I may very well change my vote. I will probably agonize about it until the deadline. Even though K am busy between now and then. Alright. Assuming you're town: I was up to be mislynched day1. Kurumi died. I could very well be the lynch today. All mafia needed to do was to keep throwing suspicions at me. EoN1. FF is dead. Shockey sees it and throw a bit of suspicions at me by saying I am either mafia or mafia tried to frame me by killing FF. This surely makes people WIFOM about my alignment. In other words, could be mafia tried to guarantee my mislynch day2. When pressured, Shockey is a bit confused in what to answer. I keep pressuring him and he says that he believes I'm town and that I was framed because FF was killed. But he can't really explain how FF being killed could imply I could be mafia. But if he really believes in this, he would expect that anyone pushing me today is mafia. Because, if this is not the case, why would the mafia team try to frame me? For nothing? You suspected me. So you're probably the mafia he is looking for. But when pressured to say you alignment, he said you are NULL. This shows how faulty this logic is and that Shockey can't find good reasons for what he is been posting. Which means he is probably fabricating posts to fit his agenda. His intention in the beginning of day2 was to try to have a mislynch on me, but it didn't work. I don't really want to put words in ShoCkeyy's mouth, but it's understandable to me that mafia could use a night kill to try and implicate someone and wait for town to lead that wagon. I've seen it happen before (or even not happen if town didn't go that way). Honestly if mafia tries to use the night kill to implicate someone, I think that's the smart way to do it. You don't risk yourself if town doesn't bite. Alright, but if he believes mafia tried to implicate me, it has a purpose, right? The purpose is to try to mislynch me. So, mafia will try to push a lynch on me. And you were the only one who did this today, right? This means Shockey needs to believe you are mafia and you're trying to mislynch me. But he said you were NULL. It doesn't fit his perspective. Therefore, he is mafia. I think this is the strongest point for Shockeyy being mafia. I still don't think it's as likely as Slam being mafia and there is simply no mafia team where Jock doesn't belong to so basically i am just gonna hope you guys are right then.
He was definitely lackluster. He just decided ShoCkkey and Koshi are opposite alignments, looks over people's reasons for voting ShoCkkey and says that there was no real reason to scum read ShoCkkey so he stays as a townread, and he writes a post saying that GB could have lynched him if he was scum. I agree he didn't seem to put in much.
On May 03 2020 00:30 Jockmcplop wrote:So the people who voted shockeyy are slam, trfel and rayn. Rayn voted him because he didn't like shockeyy trying to lynch koshi, but rayn also backed down pretty quickly and went for people he was more strongly scumreading (some town points to rayn for this by the way). Slam's reason seems to be about a beef with shockeyy and the way shockeyy has called him mafia alot. I'm using a particular post slam made to me about it for reference as to slam's reasoning. Trfel seems like rayn, kind of not really bothered about lynching shockeyy: Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 02:50 Trfel wrote:
##unvote
##vote ShoCkeyy
Underwhelming filter. I like Vivax's (?) point about ShoCkeyy saying he voted Koshi only for a pressure vote, but also saying that Koshi's opening was a mafia opening. He's yet to give any other reasons to suspect Koshi. And more importantly, he's just saying recently "I like GlowingBear more than Koshi" while voting for Alakaslam, while GlowingBear is leading the lynch and Koshi or Alakaslam aren't really in contention.
Not sold on it but maybe it'll work? Possibly just seeing what would happen with the wagon if he voted there. His point about saying he voted koshi for a pressure vote and also saying koshi's opening was mafia is the only thing i agree looks bad here. I disagree with drawing conclusions from how shockeyy was voting slam while GB was up for lynch. I don't think that looks bad on shockeyy and he never showed interest in particularly trying to save GB, but was voting for a scumread. I still think shockeyy is town here. I just can't see any case for him being mafia except his early thing with the read on koshi, and that's nowhere near enough to scumread him when his reads have been consistent, and consistent with his voting also.
Are you mostly scumreading him from lack of effort and PoE or is there something I misunderstand that makes him very scummy to you.
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On May 04 2020 03:51 Alakaslam wrote:Well fuck I am sorry but can we get a more recent count? I have no clue what is going on because yesterday I was having mad mutual masturbation all day and all night because she’s worried about sex during pregnancy sonce she hasnt seen a doctor ywt and learned wisdom
We don't have to hear about this Slam. lol.
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On May 04 2020 03:49 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2020 03:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:
It does, you just chose to ignore that it makes sense. I'll repeat what I've said, then. You think mafia tried to frame me by killing FF. Which means mafia agenda = mislynching GB. In other words, this is an argument they will use against me at some point. The only person who scumreads me is Trfel. It fits your perspective as scummy. He should be insta-scum in your perspective. I ask you: what's Trfel alignment? You say: nullHow do you explain this?
That could really easily just be a throwaway comment. I can speculate about night kills and then mostly ignore it.
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On May 05 2020 04:41 Alakaslam wrote:
I just thought of something I want to say.
Why the hell have people been scumreading based on changing minds?
If you are gonna scumread someone for changing their mind. Then you should also believe that day1 lynches usually hit scum. Because, town MUST change their mind on occasion as new information comes up, and town often WILL change their mind even with no new info as they look at the same shit with a new lens.
Scum are more likely to have a consistent plan and stick to it (which doesn't mean their reads will be consistent!) so tbat is the thing to watch for.
Why were you so confident ShoCkkey would be town at the end of the day? That was a large part of why I thought he would be scum.
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On May 05 2020 05:50 Alakaslam wrote:
I mean fuck it. If it is against my wincon to play the fucking game then I’ll just go silent and vote so that more townies dont get ahat on because I am smart enough to see they are town
I'm not shitting on you. I was just trying to understand your thought process. I didn't read the pages the previous night so that's my bad that Rayn was asking you that already.
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On May 05 2020 11:06 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2020 19:12 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 03 2020 06:56 Trfel wrote:On May 03 2020 06:41 Vivax wrote:On May 03 2020 06:19 Trfel wrote:On May 03 2020 05:41 Vivax wrote:On May 03 2020 05:37 Trfel wrote:I take it people were very underwhelmed by my post on GlowingBear Hard to think of something I'm not underwhelmed from. Which people btw. ##Vote rayn Just no one commented on it. Maybe I need to rewrite it. Voting raynpelikoneet if he doesn't play makes sense? Except for a lot of people aren't playing currently Yeah I'm sorry if I don't pay too much attention to your case right now. I'm also kinda triggered that today to me feels like a circlejerk between you and me. But if vets I'm used to like Koshi and rayn basically put 1% of the effort they did on D1, coupled with the FF kill, then odds are at least one of them is mafia. And I'm putting my money on rayn, also because of his voting shenanigans yesterday. Hm, that makes sense, fair enough. I'll keep my vote on GlowingBear for now (I'm most confident he is mafia) but I guess I could vote for raynpelikoneet if things keep going this way. Also, sorry Jockmcplop, realized I forgot to respond to you. I am sorry for being incorrect. For some reason I'm having trouble finding the posts in your filter. I take it the reason you ask is because you're scumreading Koshi too, so the same logic that it looks suspicious for GlowingBear should look suspicious for you too. That makes sense but I don't think it really applies to this case, since this is more of an emotional point. GlowingBear should be much more emotionally invested in his scumread of Koshi if he is town, and I would expect that to come out much more in his play. OK. Thanks for responding. I don't like this argument, at least I can't go along with it, because someone's emotional investment in the game is something you get to know about each individual player and I don't really know GB at all. If I was sure you were town I would be more likely to take your word for it, but I'm not. As for the other parts of your case: 1. Scumread Koshi for misconstruing GlowingBear's play. However, note the timing, he scumread Koshi well after this all started. Despite GlowingBear not having a townread on Koshi, he got mad at Koshi and treated Koshi like town and never questioned that he could be mafia until much later, when raynpelikoneet asks him about Koshi. This doesn't feel natural at all. Town tend to be quick to call their accusers scum, especially when they feel misrepresented and ignored and all the things GlowingBear was saying. Point 1 does get my interest. Do you have quotes to back this up? 2. Shifting reads. His scumreads shift in priority in a way that doesn't make sense. First he says Jockmcplop is mafia, and Alakaslam second. Then he says Jockmcplop and Koshi are mafia, and raynpelikoneet or Alakaslam. Then he was making a case on raynpelikoneet to defend himself (huh?). Then most recently raynpelikoneet as top mafia. It doesn't feel like he is putting much thought into his scumreads. Point 2 is actually the reason i was townreading GB to start with. I think he would have taken the opportunity to get a mislynch on me rather than just townreading me because I didn't vote. He's reacting to what is happening in the thread. I take it you think these reactions are not genuine looking. Is that because of bad reasoning or just a feeling you get? I'm diving jock's filter. Here's the thing: why would jock defend me if he is scum here? He is in the chopping block day1 and instead of jumping on a wrong case, he decided it was better to talk about it point by point, debunking it. I don't see mafia!jock doing that.
we're at 5-3 at this point and you/Jock both write each other off as possible mafia just for choosing not to lynch each other. I kind of doubt you would both do that as a team, but I think 1 of you two has to be mafia.
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On May 05 2020 12:06 Alakaslam wrote:
Or frankly town is playing like shit but it is easier for me to say mafia is playing really well since I still have some dignity.
It's hard to say town is playing like shit without including in yourself or having the game solved.
It seems like the mafia team played well. I'm mostly just hoping it's Jock lol.
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On May 05 2020 13:00 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 12:52 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 12:44 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 12:37 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 12:36 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 12:29 Trfel wrote:
Grackaroni, what are your thoughts on Jockmcplop right now?
What are your thoughts on me? Trfel, what do you think of Chez? Blue. Because...? I guess I just kinda assumed since he's been hinting at it and raynpelikoneet believed it. Plus, no one else has claimed blue yet and this would have been the time to do it (given that it's MYLO). I'd be very, very, very surprised if there was only one blue in a 12 player game. So did Slam? Also, Chez didn't claim. @Chez, are you a blue role? I thought Chezinu's was a joke? I'm horrid about people hinting at roles and subtleties and things. I guess I'll take another look at it, but raynpelikoneet obviously saw something, so I think that's a valid point.
Chez has been role playing as the federal reserve/doctor.
I agree if someone else is blue they should claim.
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On May 05 2020 12:29 Trfel wrote:
Grackaroni, what are your thoughts on Jockmcplop right now?
What are your thoughts on me?
I think Rayn is right Jockmcplop has been underwhelming and the possible mafia are getting narrowed down.
I still think you could be mafia but Rayn/you both seem to be acting like your play this game is outside of your mafia range and I don't think I would go against that.
I'd guess Koshi as well since he isn't obvious town. He's usually the cockiest player and during the night he was blaming me for misleading him as a beacon of smartness. Most of the time Koshi/Rayn should have died ahead of FF.
I'd never lynch Vivax.
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What are you going to study?
My life is fucked too lol.
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On May 05 2020 14:03 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 14:02 Grackaroni wrote:
What are you going to study?
My life is fucked too lol. I majored in Mechanical Engineering before, I'm planning on going back for Computer Science. The prerequisites overlap, so it'll only be another two and a half years or so... How so?
Oh nice. I majored in math and have no experience for anything. I'm stuck tutoring at least until Covid passes. I think I may try to get into Computer Science too.
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On May 05 2020 14:06 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 14:04 Grackaroni wrote:On May 05 2020 14:03 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:02 Grackaroni wrote:
What are you going to study?
My life is fucked too lol. I majored in Mechanical Engineering before, I'm planning on going back for Computer Science. The prerequisites overlap, so it'll only be another two and a half years or so... How so? Oh nice. I majored in math and have no experience for anything. I'm stuck tutoring at least until Covid passes. I think I may try to get into Computer Science too. Ah, yeah How does tutoring work during the coronavirus time? I imagine it would be a lot harder to find new people to tutor... And that'd be cool! It ought to be a good career for getting employed and staying employed 
Actually busier than before. There's a lot of people looking to fill in missing school time.
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On May 05 2020 14:13 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 14:09 Grackaroni wrote:On May 05 2020 14:06 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:04 Grackaroni wrote:On May 05 2020 14:03 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:02 Grackaroni wrote:
What are you going to study?
My life is fucked too lol. I majored in Mechanical Engineering before, I'm planning on going back for Computer Science. The prerequisites overlap, so it'll only be another two and a half years or so... How so? Oh nice. I majored in math and have no experience for anything. I'm stuck tutoring at least until Covid passes. I think I may try to get into Computer Science too. Ah, yeah How does tutoring work during the coronavirus time? I imagine it would be a lot harder to find new people to tutor... And that'd be cool! It ought to be a good career for getting employed and staying employed Actually busier than before. There's a lot of people looking to fill in missing school time. Huh, surprised, that's pretty cool though! I assume that's a good thing for you? Haha
Yeah for the moment but there's no long-term prospects there.
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On May 06 2020 02:54 Alakaslam wrote:
People really exploded with my obvious nighttime fakeclaim of cop. Now they want me to be mason. Can we really not fit a tongue in any of our cheeks, or am I just a chipmunk?
Wait didn't you claim cop at the end of day 1.
That's pretty suspicious lol.
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I think GB comes off as quite townie for day 3. I like that he's keeping things interesting and I don't think his reasoning for calling out Vivax is bad. It kind of feels like mafia are just waiting out the final day.
If we aren't voting Jock I'd vote Koshi over Vivax though. Slam also claimed cop at the end of day 1 when he had 2 votes and was being hard pushed by Rayn the night before Rayn died.
This would be my new list atm.
Trfel
GB
Vivax
Chezinu?
Jock
Slam
Koshi
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