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On May 01 2020 01:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Why? What’s your excuse for not thinking Slam is mafia or koshi or vivax? Because you think they’re not mafia? Sounds like the same excuse to me.

On May 01 2020 01:45 GlowingBear wrote:
I was starting a case on rayn but caught up with work.

I can't keep fighting my lynch, you do what you want. You already know who I think is mafia.

Koshi/Jock/ and one between rayn and slam

Shockeyy could be mafia if he is too apologetic.

GG

On April 30 2020 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:

It's mostly because he seems to be deciding on some reads and then looking for something to fit those reads. Let's see:

There is way more to be said about Vivax than what Grack writes. Anyways that part isn't my main concern.

On Kurumi:

I can understand people thinking Kurumi is town. There is nothing wrong with that. However grack's reasoning here is that because rayn is mafia Kurumi cannot be mafia because Kurumi wouldn't do what he did in regards of Trfel and rayn. It's like absolutely idiotic to say Kurumi is town for that reason (especially when he later on says his read on me isn't even that strong). I think it's just a made up reason.

Then there is the read on me:

Let's see here.. When ever have i had problems making a case on a townie when i am mafia, regardless of who the said person is (note that Grackaroni has already decided that Kurumi is town)? Like, Grack thinks i am mafia because i am afraid of calling Kurumi mafia. Does that sound reasonable knowing me -- to ANYONE? Because it shouldn't.

The second part is also suspicious. Apparently it is suspicious for me that i am trying to win Koshi over? If it's not a thing that makes me suspicious then what is that whole thing doing in Grack's "rayn is mafia" post? Well, the thing here is that let's say this is true and i am mafia trying to win Koshi over. That should automatically translate (or the starting point should be) that Koshi is town. Why would i otherwise try to win Koshi over as mafia? Except that Grackaroni apparently doesn't think Koshi is town because it's not even in his weak town reads with Kurumi and Vivax.

I don't really have a "problem" with the FF read, although i think FF is an easy target to attack here, since he hasn't done that much in comparison to other people. Ironically that's actually a town thing for FF. He is way more focused and "clean" as mafia than he is as town, which was the original reason for me townreading him, that hasn't changed.

Also also.... I feel like GB is just saying stuff for sake of saying stuff. Like in almost all of his posts he declares why noone can ever think Kurumi is mafia and how Kurumi is 100% town but he has no indication of trying to ever figure out anything about the people who disagree with him. Knowing GB i would assume him to be fully shouting at me and Trfel at least. Instead of doing that (i mean like something productive) he is more interested in just backing on his own read.

On April 30 2020 03:32 Koshi wrote:
GB is not making any waves. Very slippery.

On April 30 2020 03:48 Koshi wrote:

The difference between the conviction in the posts from kurumi/fefe and here gb is why I think the first 2 arz town and gb is mafia.

I also had the wtf how scummy is the jock fella with his vote and backtrack on me. But I also had a healthy amount of doubt and confusion.

I think fefe and kurumi both showed some conservatism in their posts.


GB did not. GB looked like a wolf jumping on a poor misguided sheep.

##Vote GB

On May 01 2020 01:56 Grackaroni wrote:

For Kurumi it's just something that stuck out to me as unusual from his post. Either he is mafia and he felt the need to explain why he's choosing to vote for Trfel and not for you, (my thought would be that he only would feel he has to do this as mafia if you are his teammate) and then he came up with the idea of trfel being a role to justify not voting for you, or he has a strange town thought process. It just seemed convoluted to me to come from a mafia thought process to explain not voting for you.

For you I misread a bit earlier that you already weren't too interested in lynching Kurumi before the first post I quoted. The point wasn't that you are incapable of pushing scumreads as scum. To me it seems like you got in a bit of an argument with Kurumi, a couple of people were sniping on the way you came off in the posts rather than the logic you made, and then when it was already over you came back with the logic of the argument which paints you in a better light, even though you had no interest in using it against Kurumi.

For the Koshi point it was mostly my own bias against you. I was just a bit weary of the way you were interacting with him because he was starting to take control of the thread and you were working hard on influencing him to vote for Jock over GB.

On May 01 2020 01:56 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't think Koshi has done anything outside of his mafia range though

On May 01 2020 01:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Play the game please. You're gonna fight your lynch if you are town and you're gonna fight your lynch if you're mafia. Unless you want us to just kill you which we will do regardless of your affiliation if you act like this.

Why would you want to build a case on me if you have two bigger scumreads from which at least one has a really decent chance of being lynched?

On May 01 2020 02:04 GlowingBear wrote:
I'll be here discussing but don't expect much because I'm working

On April 30 2020 23:02 Vivax wrote:


He mentions Fefe poking Shockeyy lazily for his Koshi vote, which is actually nice from Fefe from where I'm at.

From Fefe:


Though it's kind of strange he jumps to a team of you and FF based on what he is reading in that post, where Fefe is actually disliking your post, so sort of agreeing with Grack?

Feels like he's missing some line of thoughts here he should be having, and a team of you+ff shouldn't make too much sense based on what's in his post, but that's not enough for me to call him mafia for rn.
I'd like to know what he thinks about Shockeyy.

On May 01 2020 02:07 Trfel wrote:
GlowingBear, my main question to you concerns your townread on Kurumi.

Yes, Kurumi's post was pretty and showed effort. But it was largely a summary of the thread, and only the parts on myself and raynpelikoneet showed any amount of thought whatsoever (not even going to discuss it, but you know my thoughts on that).

Why can't scum put in effort? Especially when it doesn't involve thinking or figuring out who is mafia?

On May 01 2020 02:03 GlowingBear wrote:


It's not that I don't want to play, it's that I can't actually keep reading the game right now because I'm caught up with work. I've already said what I think. And you realized I thought you were blue or mafia. You don't take hard stances, your vote on Jock was because "he can look town while been mafia", you have a scum read on grack and you decided to sheep koshi because "he is certainly town" for bad meta. Your under the radar play here would only make sense here if you have a power role as town.

On May 01 2020 02:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Alright. Since you know Koshi's mafia range so well point me out to a game that's "in range" with this game as per his play on D1?

On April 30 2020 23:57 GlowingBear wrote:


I started actually reading the thread and I was posting what it appeared to be more significative, Slam is a scum read because of his wishy washiness. He simply isn't making any hard stances and that's why I think he is probably mafia.
Jock's vote wasn't just super dumb, it simply doesn't make sense from a town perspective. And if it doesn't make sense from a town perspective, he is probably mafia.

I tried to play a bit more but I wasn't feeling well, I did my best to catch up with what is written.

I never called rayn town. I don't like how he is not taking hard stances, but I have a gut feeling he is probably town and I don't want to talk about it for reasons. I'd rather have him alive and think about him later.

I thought Trfel could be mafia if he was actually lazy. My intention with pointing that out was to generate discussion. I think he has being posted a fair amount of information and he is playing more like he is town. I'm not lynching Trfel here.

Kurumi posted the same thoughts I had on Trfel and he kept answering rayn in the same way I was thinking, meaning we are coming from the same perspective - hence, town. His wall of texts has he thought process completely displayed on thread, crystal clear. He's not to be discussed day1 after that. Same thing with Vivax. I had the impression on the beginning of the game that he was acting a bit fake, but he is actively contributing with the thread and clearly displaying his thought process.

I didn't read what Grackaroni posted.
Shockeyy had a bad opening on you, could be mafia, but I wouldn't lynch him today because he does look like mafia as town and he isn't been apologetic for not playing (which I believe is a scum meta for him)

Chez is BROWN <3

FF's post about re-reading the thread and flipping his opinion makes him town.

I don't know who I'm forgetting, let me see

On May 01 2020 02:11 GlowingBear wrote:


Scum CAN put effort, but they are most likely not. It's not solely effort that I am townreading Kurumi. He also had the same perspective as me in the beginning of the game, which points out to him being the same alignment as me, and his thoughts are always crystal clear, original, and kept discussion going. That's why he is town.