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Either way, gtg.
I'm curious if rayn really thought that what he was doing there wasn't some kind of carbon copy of what happened from the last games.
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On April 29 2020 15:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Well at least the two of my initial reads are correct. 
Can't be initial if it's the only ones.
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On April 29 2020 15:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But they are not. I also think FF and Slam are town but i am not that sure about it.
slam i can get behind, not ff
why ff
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the music video was nice tho ill give him that
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im on phone formatting will keep it short.
your case sounds an awful lot like you are implying that kurumi is doing what jock did in holy guardians except you did so at a time when trfel had at most 4 or 5 posts that didnt say much about his alignment.
also again you are acting like you know my alignment from the start when ive been mostly shitposting before.
ill play devils advocate with myself later but i find it odd atm that you and trfel didnt have the dejavus i had there.
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On April 30 2020 00:12 Koshi wrote:
Been a while. Glad this didnt start 2 days earlier. I'll see what I can come up with.
On April 30 2020 00:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 00:23 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 30 2020 00:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So far I have Slam, Koshi, and Kurumi on my possibly mafia list. Why koshi? That entrance is sounds totally like Koshi mafia entrance.
Okay, why?
On April 30 2020 00:42 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 00:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:On April 30 2020 00:23 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 30 2020 00:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So far I have Slam, Koshi, and Kurumi on my possibly mafia list. Why koshi? That entrance is sounds totally like Koshi mafia entrance. say no more ##vote: koshi
What?And this was serious?
Jock what is this shit?
On April 29 2020 23:21 Jockmcplop wrote:Is it bad or not?
Let's let Team Liquid decide.Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:41 GlowingBear wrote:On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today  I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF This post is bad and you should feel bad for it. Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead. oh. @Glowingbear why is this such a bad post to you? I mean I don't agree with it really or see how it will have the intended effect but it doesn't seem so bad from an AI perspective
Why the 'let TL decide part', and then it's just about me voting FF, but you somehow quote Kurumi and then end up asking GB about it. Could you walk me through what you were thinking doing that?
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On April 30 2020 04:15 Koshi wrote:
Hi detective Vivax! How are you?
Feel like shit tbh. I have a feeling the 'rona doesn't really go away and I slept through the rest of the day after coming home. Now I'll be up most of the night.
Gonna look into GB real quick.
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Dunno about GB, him overreacting to my crappy vote was kinda meh but I like where his vote is at now.
Could use some more meat from his posts, but I'll go with a townlean for now.
On April 30 2020 01:36 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 01:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 30 2020 01:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Wait jock says his vote on koshi was jokes?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Nah I genuinely thought he was mafia after his one post and shockeyy saying that post made him mafia. I was convinced. but alas! Now I have seen the light. ##unvote: koshi 🙄
Fefe how do you go from this to voting GB?
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On April 30 2020 01:30 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 01:25 Fecalfeast wrote:On April 30 2020 01:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 30 2020 01:22 Fecalfeast wrote:On April 30 2020 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 30 2020 00:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
Dislike rayns post on kurumi and i like kurumi so far
Shockckckckckeyyyy why is it a koshi mafia entrance and why did it take until jock voted for you to vote What do you dislike about my post? Real quick it seems based on your idea of what kurumi was thinking rather than what was said let me do a real post later Did you miss the part where Kurumi basically said that what i wrote is accurate? sure its ip to debate if it makes him mafia or not but... lol Obviously i did miss that Because it never happened. Or, at least until rayn shows where this has happened. Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 01:26 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 30 2020 00:58 Kurumi wrote:
Wall of text? You people don't do big list posts or case posts anymore?
As for the overdefensive comment, I'll take that as a good joke.
Why do they think they have to get into the game more when all that's happened is I pinged them out? Overdefensive much, huh?
I meant wall of text as in you didn't press enter at all and it makes it harder to read. Then that's bad practice you allow it. It sets up a potential deflection with "well, gee I told you guys I'm not going to do much..." which only creates confusion in the discussion. Look at what's happened: I call out Trfel ever so slightly and rayn comes swinging at me for no reason, so deep to even implicate himself, but never pushing himself to vote, mostly attacking me instead of defending Trfel. Meh. Most of the time posts like that come from town. Anywayit looks to me like rayn's just pressuring you to see what happens. As for trfel he could be mafia but he hasn't posted anything so far that makes me think he is. As for you comment to what Mafia is currently doing... why? You just voted Koshi, who's posted NOTHING besides promise of contributing for "pressure". He's pressured himself already a lot more than your vote did. And Shockeyy's. You're abandoning what's already developed in the thread to deflect onto one of the lurkers. Clearly my tongue was in my cheek for that vote, hence the smiley and the fact that of course i don't just believe shockeyy that koshi made his mafia entrance, or even has a koshi style of mafia entrance.And what the fuck is this "Maybe one of them is, but both, like this on day one? Nah". WHY? So you scumread one of them? What is this sentence even? I just don't think mafia would expose and align themselves that much as to both push you at the same time when nothing else has happened/is happening. I don't scumread either of them tbh.
Are you fucking with me or? I didn't press enter at all?As for bolded, what the holiest of fuck. What? And yes, scum do that, because it might be easy early to discredit someone in the thread or because they panic.
He didn't press enter at all.
Funniest thing in the thread so far.
Jock do they prescribe funky stuff in the UK or did you roll mafia again?
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On April 30 2020 04:34 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 04:29 Vivax wrote:Dunno about GB, him overreacting to my crappy vote was kinda meh but I like where his vote is at now. Could use some more meat from his posts, but I'll go with a townlean for now. On April 30 2020 01:36 Fecalfeast wrote:On April 30 2020 01:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 30 2020 01:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Wait jock says his vote on koshi was jokes?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Nah I genuinely thought he was mafia after his one post and shockeyy saying that post made him mafia. I was convinced. but alas! Now I have seen the light. ##unvote: koshi 🙄 Fefe how do you go from this to voting GB? Could you explain to me why Jock is mafia?
Have you read him?
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On April 30 2020 04:32 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 04:22 Vivax wrote:On April 30 2020 04:15 Koshi wrote:
Hi detective Vivax! How are you? Feel like shit tbh. I have a feeling the 'rona doesn't really go away and I slept through the rest of the day after coming home. Now I'll be up most of the night. Gonna look into GB real quick. You had corona???
Presumably. It didn't make me supersick but enough to cause me the occasional trouble breathing at night and feeling kinda drained since then. Sometimes I feel like there's droplets of water running down the trachea, mostly in bed.
Hope you're fine tho. I've seen the charts and the mortality in Belgium was super high.
Btw ignore my last question, I was thinking you were rayn there for a sec and I wanted to ask him about reading Jock.
Jock's first post was a catch-up-post, that already made me lift my eyebrows because it seemed kind of overkill. But the 'let TL decide' bit with the confusing followup is where I'm at mostly. Let him explain tho.
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On April 30 2020 04:47 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 00:58 Kurumi wrote:On April 30 2020 00:27 Jockmcplop wrote:-snip- Holy wall of text Batman. You also seem overdefensive in this post (for someone who doesn't have any votes on them.) Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. Are you sure trfel was lying and didn't just get into the game more than he expected to? Wall of text? You people don't do big list posts or case posts anymore? As for the overdefensive comment, I'll take that as a good joke. Why do they think they have to get into the game more when all that's happened is I pinged them out? Overdefensive much, huh? On April 30 2020 00:42 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 30 2020 00:27 Kurumi wrote:On April 30 2020 00:16 ShoCkeyy wrote:On April 30 2020 00:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
Kurumi if you think this is spammy you would have hated it a couple years ago...
Shit more like 5 years ago Yea, I went from 40 players with about 20 page games to 10 players with 200+ pages, now its 10 with 70 pages, so not that bad anymore. I do know. I've been part of this forum for 9 years now and did my fair share of spamming. On April 29 2020 23:47 Jockmcplop wrote:alakaslam: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2020 10:09 Alakaslam wrote:
Gonna have to side with Kurumi on the logic train. Defend yourself, not others, even when scum. Because it be scummy until the town begins wearing trousers on their head. Then defense the ally. On April 29 2020 15:17 Alakaslam wrote:
Stuff getting really strangely simple. Like straight up people make excuse = they is scum.
If Vivax is right.
But it is funny, Trfel being more active than anyone else post excuse has me feeling townie on him even though it literally points scummier than before. Like, my head and my gut disagree I find these posts pretty scummy, like you want to agree with Kurumi but then want to back out for some reason. You seem so sure in one post and unsure in the next. Kurumi's logic train very much had to do with his suspicions on trfel and you seemed sure about it but then next thing you're like "yeah but maybe not." and that's it. Also, Kurumi's logic, I pointed out above why its bad logic. On the one hand, he says that all trfel has done is ask questions, but trfel's questions brought more information into the thread, which Kurumi says is 'never bad'. I don't think Kurumi is using consistent scumhunting logic here in going after trfel. Trfel's questions were useless or bad. One they asked Alakaslam made absolutely no sense given that Trfel was one giving a cop-out. The way they questioned me about my opening post was not to make me introduce me into the game, but to learn how committed I am to the game. Why do they need to know how committed I am to the game? Well, it makes deciding how the N1 KP goes. I don't know whether to disagree with you or scumread you. I can't see how you've had such a reaction to rayn and trfel questioning how you started the game. You seem genuinely pissed off and i don't get why. Trfel's post is one that you see in about 70% of game openings and sometimes its a town post; sometimes its a mafia post, but you really can't tell from whether someone follows up on day 1 by being exactly as active as they said they would. I also really don't buy this theory that rayn and trfel are mafia coming after you for pinging trfel. Mafia are probably trying to hide or just watch right now. Maybe one of them is, but both, like this on day one? Nah -snip- Then that's bad practice you allow it. It sets up a potential deflection with "well, gee I told you guys I'm not going to do much..." which only creates confusion in the discussion. Look at what's happened: I call out Trfel ever so slightly and rayn comes swinging at me for no reason, so deep to even implicate himself, but never pushing himself to vote, mostly attacking me instead of defending Trfel. Basically, discrediting me instead of committing to defending Trfel. As for you comment to what Mafia is currently doing... why? You just voted Koshi, who's posted NOTHING besides promise of contributing for "pressure". He's pressured himself already a lot more than your vote did. And Shockeyy's. You're abandoning what's already developed in the thread to deflect onto one of the lurkers. And what the fuck is this "Maybe one of them is, but both, like this on day one? Nah". WHY? So you scumread one of them? What is this sentence even? Very town looking of Kurumi here. But I love giving policy advice as mafia too, hmmm.....
The effort of making a huge summary this early was quite townie, just seems exactly that: Too early.
Btw he reminded me that Grack is in this game.
Hey Grack, care to post?
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Going to take back what I said about rayn earlier.
Was just crappy tinfoil reasoning from me seeing parallels to the other games, in hindsight, probably.
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On April 29 2020 13:47 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 13:41 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 13:28 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hi Trfel can we be friends this game? Hopefully, that's kinda on you though On April 29 2020 07:26 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 06:59 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 05:20 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? The only people I believe I have not played with are Shockeyy, Jockmcplop and Grackaroni. I believe we have played together (maybe even on a scum team?), I have played lots with rayn, Vivax, Koshi, Chezinu and probably Alakaslam could go into that category as well. So Fecalfeast, Trfel (you) and GlowingBear are people I should've played already but my meta judgement would be seriously impractical here. On April 29 2020 05:04 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:02 Trfel wrote:
[quote]I know he's played a bunch before, I've seen him around a bit before (forget where).
The reason I ask is that he said he will be trying to make some meta reads, I'm curious if that's going to be based on previous game experience or if he intends on filter diving past games of unfamiliar players or what. I'm not a fan of that approach. Especially after not playing for so long. I agree Vivax! Actually, if I were in a self-deprecating mood I'd probably state outright that I don't feel meta-competent right now. Fair enough, I didn't realize it was that many players. Thanks for explaining! So why were you asking me about how I'm going to play this game, exactly? Because your post didn't make sense to me. Claiming you planned on doing a lot of meta reads doesn't make sense if you're unfamiliar with many/most of the players in the game, which I thought you were. Therefore, I was asking to try and learn more about what you meant by that. It makes more sense now that you said you were just faking confidence. It just feels a bit weird for me for town to come into the thread right at the start of day 1 and say "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy," especially if they don't know everyone. But it makes more sense now that you've clarified it. On April 29 2020 09:45 Alakaslam wrote:On April 29 2020 04:47 Trfel wrote:
Alakaslam, I assume by cop-outs you mean excuses?
And if so, what (if anything) do you make of them? Meh, NAI but also unnecessary. Just kinda bad. I cant always be here, I don’t have to go on and on about my daily teaching schedule or coronavirus actually making me busier and whatnot. I just show up when I can. Because I’m town, and therefore dont give a shit what people think. Alakaslam, do you really care what people think of you when you're mafia? On April 29 2020 10:32 GlowingBear wrote:On April 29 2020 08:10 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 29 2020 07:48 Kurumi wrote:
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-asked me how I'm going to play and fished for whether I checked out the player roster for past games and meta
-now questions GlowingBear about Vivax which is first "OK" thing.
[...] See these are not "only asking questions" things. Regardless of that, i really liked his thought process on your "meta shenanigans" post. I am waiting to see what kind of meta reads you will cook up. You haven't played in what... three years? I also heavily dislike your approach towards me, because you seem to be thinking Trfel is not doing anything but asking useless questions, and i am not (before this) giving you pretty much anything on that front except for support on him for "no apparent reason". Why are you talking to me like there is nothing wrong in my behavior? Fishing for how I'm committed to the game is not something I'm going to write up as "Town" in my book. Especially when someone declares that they're going to be less than committed. And as I've stated already in agreement to Vivax, me going for meta reads might not be the best course of action. I am talking to you "like there is nothing wrong in your behaviour" because it is still early in the game and you might be going off one thing, like you've admitted. I also read your first post after "hi" as combative and wanted to know whether it is light-hearted or not, but you didn't acknowledge me asking about it. Besides, bringing more information into the thread is never wrong, especially when we establish connections people have to each other based on their reactions and interactions. On April 29 2020 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
To be more clear; Is it normal for a guy who is mafia to say "hey i am gonna lurk and only be around mostly at time X", then question people and follow that up with ANYTHING?
Now i am not saying this CANT be mafia, but like... I think i tried slowwwwwwly try to get Kurumi off that thing in case he genuinely thought that was mafia behavior (in general i mean). I guess no luck, and i think that smells. Oh come on Ray, what kind of reasoning is this? If anything, we should be concerned that someone that has shown less interest in the game changes their behaviour so fast. If that's the whole picture, that is. Although I agree with you about Trfel's opening, it will only be proven if he in fact acts lazy and uses his opening as a cop-out. If he is mafia, he could be using that excuse right out of the bat and simply not play. Trfel usually asks lots of questions as town, forcing people to contribute to the thread. That's townie from him. But I'll let him explain himself. Actually, @Trfel, one question: why do you believe you'll be lazy in this game? Are you uninterested? I'm slightly demotivated/a little tired of mafia, yes. I wouldn't have played if there was another person who signed up for the 12th slot. I was serious about being just as happy to not play as to play. However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious. So you plan to not be lazy?  Also, what do you think of the reactions so far? I dunno. You get what you get. Honestly I'm kinda confused, I'm just in a place where I'm trying to get more information and hoping something comes of it. Lemme reread the thread and see. I'll be around for a bit if anyone wants to talk. I'll bite. Assume I wanted to vote for rayn right now, what do you think would be the reason? I'd think that it's because he made a weakly -reasoned townread on me, and was over-defensive of this read when Kurumi asked about it. I don't really know what to think about what he said about Kurumi; on one hand I agree that Kurumi felt weird around that time, but I don't think it was for the reason that raynpelikoneet mentioned. My two cents, anyway.
On April 29 2020 14:01 Trfel wrote:@Alakaslam and GlowingBear, thanks for answering my questions.
Anyway, I find Kurumi to be the most interesting person in the thread at the moment. Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead. Super non-committal, zero followup. Saying it's "not bad" means he thinks there is something to it, but he didn't say another word on the subject in any of his posts. Yes, I know, Fecalfeast didn't post in that time so there was nothing new to discuss, but I still think that if Kurumi actually found Fecalfeast suspicious/interesting he would have mentioned it to others. Like later that same post: Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player. shit i think we should kill him then You want to butt heads, eh? What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game? Why is he more interested in me making an excuse than the scumread he just said was decent? But that's what he chose to ask raynpelikoneet about. And he never seemed to stop and question raynpelikoneet's alignment, or even find raynpelikoneet's response interesting. This I really don't get. Raynpelikoneet's play of hard defending someone early in the game for weak reasons (especially in Kurumi's view, for the exact same reason he is suspicious) should be seen as a terrible play. I'd think that would be at least worth mentioning. But all Kurumi cares about is a player who made an excuse, not the alignment of the person he's interacting with. Doesn't feel right to me. Thoughts?
These two posts still don't feel right to me though.
It's like he's seeing reasons for both to be mafia then feels pressured to make a case on Kurumi because of it.
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On April 30 2020 05:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax, are you still in Slam is town train?
On a 'don't want to lynch him today'-level of confidence, yes.
I'm not too much of a slam-whisperer and know I misread him as town in the past.
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On April 30 2020 05:35 Koshi wrote:
GB:
Silly questions
No waves
Bit unfunny oncomfortable gif
Comes out of lurk to devour poor green jock
Excuses to continue lurk
i lol'd
Rayn what's the really dumb thing Jock did?
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##Unvote
##Vote Jock
Chez what are you trying to tell us?
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On April 30 2020 07:06 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 14:44 Vivax wrote:I don't think there's much merit to Kurumi calling Trfel mafia just for the lazy thing. In my opinion, it's not worth reading too much into, but it was also too early to call Trfel town. Rayn for one, is already saying 'Vivax will probably call me mafia for it', which implies he thinks I'm town. I'll skip the part of voting him for that because he'll just say 'good job' like last time that happened. Rayn more or less tried to pull off what I did with Jock two games ago (who was mafia and pushed Trfel aggressively with flimsy reasons), though the circumstances are different. Then he said I should read him mafia for it, which doesn't make much sense considering he should know that I still remember that fact well. And while I agree that Kurumi should know better than harping on Trfel's NAI posts, it's unfair to say he did that on his own after rayn led him to do that. Summing it up: It kind of feels like rayn here is trying to paint Kurumi mafia with the reasons I used on Jock, while trying to make me unable to call him mafia for it because he's emulating what we both did as town in the last games. So yeah rayn, you are right I will call you mafia for it And Trfel is mafia too, because right after he realized he should be scumreading you, he went and made a scum case on Kurumi in order to not have to. ##Unvote
##Vote rayn Does anyone actually understand what Vivax is trying to say here? I keep reading this and can't understand it  No, I don't remember what reasons were used last game, the logic here feels so convoluted. I don't think that it makes Vivax mafia (I see no mafia motivation), I'm just really confused. I'll be back in an hour or two to catch up on the rest of the thread.
In my head, I take full credit for dunking Jock trying to mislynch you in that one game.
And the reason I jumped at rayn here is because it felt like he was doing to Kurumi what I did to Jock...And expected me to call him mafia for it, which I didn't find believable.
It seems convoluted because it is.
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Granted I worded it like shit and could have probably packed it into a single sentence like I did now. And to me it doesn't matter anymore. I'm feeling goodish about rayn as long as he keeps poking.
Shockeyy still need you to explain why Koshi's entrance was scummy.
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On April 30 2020 07:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 07:11 Vivax wrote:On April 30 2020 07:06 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 14:44 Vivax wrote:I don't think there's much merit to Kurumi calling Trfel mafia just for the lazy thing. In my opinion, it's not worth reading too much into, but it was also too early to call Trfel town. Rayn for one, is already saying 'Vivax will probably call me mafia for it', which implies he thinks I'm town. I'll skip the part of voting him for that because he'll just say 'good job' like last time that happened. Rayn more or less tried to pull off what I did with Jock two games ago (who was mafia and pushed Trfel aggressively with flimsy reasons), though the circumstances are different. Then he said I should read him mafia for it, which doesn't make much sense considering he should know that I still remember that fact well. And while I agree that Kurumi should know better than harping on Trfel's NAI posts, it's unfair to say he did that on his own after rayn led him to do that. Summing it up: It kind of feels like rayn here is trying to paint Kurumi mafia with the reasons I used on Jock, while trying to make me unable to call him mafia for it because he's emulating what we both did as town in the last games. So yeah rayn, you are right I will call you mafia for it And Trfel is mafia too, because right after he realized he should be scumreading you, he went and made a scum case on Kurumi in order to not have to. ##Unvote
##Vote rayn Does anyone actually understand what Vivax is trying to say here? I keep reading this and can't understand it No, I don't remember what reasons were used last game, the logic here feels so convoluted. I don't think that it makes Vivax mafia (I see no mafia motivation), I'm just really confused. I'll be back in an hour or two to catch up on the rest of the thread. In my head, I take full credit for dunking Jock trying to mislynch you in that one game. And the reason I jumped at rayn here is because it felt like he was doing to Kurumi what I did to Jock...And expected me to call him mafia for it, which I didn't find believable. It seems convoluted because it is. i am not sure if i should play mafia. I think rayn was doing something to someone, the same thing i did when i was town and it even worked!! But hey let's call rayn scum here because it's so convoluted!!! Because it is. True story guis, rayn is mafia lets murder him with fire.
Why did you expect me to call you mafia for what I did?
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