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On April 29 2020 23:21 Jockmcplop wrote:Hi everyone here's a catch up post: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2020 16:45 Vivax wrote:
im on phone formatting will keep it short.
your case sounds an awful lot like you are implying that kurumi is doing what jock did in holy guardians except you did so at a time when trfel had at most 4 or 5 posts that didnt say much about his alignment.
also again you are acting like you know my alignment from the start when ive been mostly shitposting before.
ill play devils advocate with myself later but i find it odd atm that you and trfel didnt have the dejavus i had there. I remember the other game you are talking about and reading through the thread I did get flashbacks. I don't really get how you go from noticing the similarities to rayn having motivations other than scumhunting. Like you think rayn saw that trfel as lynchbait worked in the last game for town so he's leveraging the same idea as mafia and hoping that no-one will notice, with probably half the people playing in both games? I can't really see it. Its simpler just to think that trfel as lynchbait worked last time, kurumi wasn't here last time, rayn is thinking it might work again and get us a day 1 hit. The one thing I do agree with here is it looks like rayn is assuming you are town. I guess I can understand that based on meta (maaaaaaayyyyyybe), and he did say he townread you so its probably just a read more than an assumption. As for trfel's opening, stuff like that isn't really worth discussing unless he disappears at times that are overly convenient for mafia. + Show Spoiler +Is it bad or not?
Let's let Team Liquid decide.On April 29 2020 05:41 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today  I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF This post is bad and you should feel bad for it. On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead. oh. @Glowingbear why is this such a bad post to you? I mean I don't agree with it really or see how it will have the intended effect but it doesn't seem so bad from an AI perspective @Kurumi: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2020 07:48 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 07:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But that's not true, about Trfel only asking questions? What do you mean? So far they've: -started the game out by saying they're going to be lazy -asked Alakaslam what does he mean with people giving excuses (see previous point, wut?) -asked me how I'm going to play and fished for whether I checked out the player roster for past games and meta -now questions GlowingBear about Vivax which is first "OK" thing. I have no idea why you're pushing back on Trfel so much given that all I've done is cast some shade on them. On April 29 2020 08:10 Kurumi wrote: Besides, bringing more information into the thread is never wrong, especially when we establish connections people have to each other based on their reactions and interactions.
Would you say that trfel asking the questions he asked brought more information into the thread? I mean, I now know who you have played with before and am better able to judge the different way you might interact with me compared to say rayn... which is useful.
I don't believe in pressure votes when you explicitly say it's a pressure vote. You appear like doing something but you're actually doing nothing. That sounded suspicious about Vivax, and I thought this would make people discuss. I have been sick and didn't play the game until now.
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On April 30 2020 10:38 Alakaslam wrote:
GB those posts following each other remind me of your condition *X)
My condition?
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On April 30 2020 00:03 Kurumi wrote:Slam, everyone, please don't spam post, it really doesn't help. I decided to make a list for summary's sake and that we hopefully don't miss out something later. No contribution so far:Grackaroni (posted, but it is literally an introduction post and a youtube-link post) Fecalfeast (admitted to not reading the thread) Koshi (no posts at all) Jockmcplop (no posts at all) Chezinu (but talking Chezinu and contributing is a whole can of worms)
Low-effort/medium activityShockeyy (claims town and wanting to lead it, pings me through quoting Vivax, scumreads Alakaslam, notes that Trfel has played games back-to-back and understands their desire to be lazy) Alakaslam (notes the cop-outs, pings me, claimed town, seemingly agrees with me, Vivax, torn about Trfel anyway) GlowingBear (pings Vivax, then votes them without providing more reasoning, interacts with Trfel on basis of past games, although seemingly agrees with me, is interested in how Trfel is going to play) Funnily enough, if someone were to put a gun to my head right now, I'd say all three are Town. That only means I at this moment lean Town more on them than Scum and it's flimsy enough to flip fast. If I were to pick the strongest town feel out of these three, it would be Slam because I liked him noticing the cop-outs and well, I like that he seems to agree with me  ActiveVivax (pinged me, wanted to interact with people and did, pressured Fecalfeast through a vote on good reasoning after I asked for who I should be looking into, most importantly, came to the exact same conclusions I have right now.)
KurumiTrfel
raynpelikoneetI have no idea with which one of these two I should start. There's an obvious triangle between them and me - with them defending each-other and pushing me, but pushing me so lightly that they don't even commit to a vote. And they do all this for me JUST pinging Trfel. Never called Trfel scum. Never voted Trfel. That's a misrepresentation. But the moment I mention Trfel to rayn, he believes that Trfel has shown "effort" (they did not, as I outlined in a post of mine). After this, rayn declares I should be suspicious of him because of his defense of Trfel - to which I have replied already as well. I was. I know that rayn tunnel-visions a lot, but the play he's shown this game is outright bogus to me. Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. They go as far as literally reiterating rayn's previous point he made to me about how I should be suspicious of rayn and me not being suspicious of rayn is scummy. They also misrepresent me as saying "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy" which is wildly untrue. I expressed DOUBTS whether I can do that. Not that I can and will. And you know what's the best thing ever in Trfel's posting? Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote:
-snip-
However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious. Amazing backpedal. So your plan from the start of the game was claim to be lazy and then call the first person to call you out scum? Because "mostly joking"? So not only you've lied about "being lazy" this game through your gameplay after I put some heat on you, you also admit it outright? Cool. So, the only reason I'm voting Trfel over raynpelikoneet really is that I think Trfel has a role. I'd rather have a scum-with-role dead than a vanilla scum dead. Easy? Easy. ##vote Trfel+ Show Spoiler [unofficial votecount] +
Fecalfeast - 0
Vivax
raynpelikoneet - 1
Vivax
Vivax - 1
GlowingBear
This is the best post in thread and Kurumi is top town. There is no way scum would put so much effort while also mindmelding with me in the beginning of the game.
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On April 30 2020 10:49 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 10:45 GlowingBear wrote:On April 29 2020 23:21 Jockmcplop wrote:Hi everyone here's a catch up post: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2020 16:45 Vivax wrote:
im on phone formatting will keep it short.
your case sounds an awful lot like you are implying that kurumi is doing what jock did in holy guardians except you did so at a time when trfel had at most 4 or 5 posts that didnt say much about his alignment.
also again you are acting like you know my alignment from the start when ive been mostly shitposting before.
ill play devils advocate with myself later but i find it odd atm that you and trfel didnt have the dejavus i had there. I remember the other game you are talking about and reading through the thread I did get flashbacks. I don't really get how you go from noticing the similarities to rayn having motivations other than scumhunting. Like you think rayn saw that trfel as lynchbait worked in the last game for town so he's leveraging the same idea as mafia and hoping that no-one will notice, with probably half the people playing in both games? I can't really see it. Its simpler just to think that trfel as lynchbait worked last time, kurumi wasn't here last time, rayn is thinking it might work again and get us a day 1 hit. The one thing I do agree with here is it looks like rayn is assuming you are town. I guess I can understand that based on meta (maaaaaaayyyyyybe), and he did say he townread you so its probably just a read more than an assumption. As for trfel's opening, stuff like that isn't really worth discussing unless he disappears at times that are overly convenient for mafia. + Show Spoiler +Is it bad or not?
Let's let Team Liquid decide.On April 29 2020 05:41 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF This post is bad and you should feel bad for it. On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead. oh. @Glowingbear why is this such a bad post to you? I mean I don't agree with it really or see how it will have the intended effect but it doesn't seem so bad from an AI perspective @Kurumi: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2020 07:48 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 07:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But that's not true, about Trfel only asking questions? What do you mean? So far they've: -started the game out by saying they're going to be lazy -asked Alakaslam what does he mean with people giving excuses (see previous point, wut?) -asked me how I'm going to play and fished for whether I checked out the player roster for past games and meta -now questions GlowingBear about Vivax which is first "OK" thing. I have no idea why you're pushing back on Trfel so much given that all I've done is cast some shade on them. On April 29 2020 08:10 Kurumi wrote: Besides, bringing more information into the thread is never wrong, especially when we establish connections people have to each other based on their reactions and interactions.
Would you say that trfel asking the questions he asked brought more information into the thread? I mean, I now know who you have played with before and am better able to judge the different way you might interact with me compared to say rayn... which is useful. I don't believe in pressure votes when you explicitly say it's a pressure vote. You appear like doing something but you're actually doing nothing. That sounded suspicious about Vivax, and I thought this would make people discuss. I have been sick and didn't play the game until now. This is golden GB and, you literally reference your condition. The condition of your health. Like you taking it for the team right now, U STRONK HOMBOII LIKE SLAVIC MAN
CYKA BLYAT! I thought you were talking about a possible condition in my head.
Like difficulties of understanding and reading and stuff
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On April 30 2020 10:45 Trfel wrote:
Mostly finished filter diving. Some notable points:
For maybe the first time ever, I actually like Koshi. Surprised, haha.
Why does everyone think Jockmcplop's play was so suspicious? To me it was obviously a joke/pressure vote. I don't understand why it's so bad and blatantly a scummy mistake.
People already pointed out Alakaslam's wishy-washy attitude, it makes me suspicious but it also is the thing that makes me hesitate to scumread him (I know, the irony here is incredible). I want to read a previous Alakaslam game or two later tonight for comparison. Alakaslam is also a ton more serious than I am used to, which if I remember correctly is his tendency when he is mafia. So I am highly suspicious of him (admittedly, mostly due to meta), but I want to double check the meta later.
Fecalfeast just seems to follow thread sentiment and not contribute much. Feels like he is just existing. I find him hard to read, but that all his reads follow thread sentiment is rather interesting.
Really don't know what to make of Kurumi. Going to try to reread his filter.
Alright, things are insteresting, but are they alignment indicative?
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On April 29 2020 15:56 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 15:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But they are not. I also think FF and Slam are town but i am not that sure about it. slam i can get behind, not ff why ff
This is the exact opposite of what I think.
Actually, FF is basically NAI. He just came to the thread, shitposted and got out.
On April 30 2020 00:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So far I have Slam, Koshi, and Kurumi on my possibly mafia list.
It's impossible to think Kurumi is mafia here, and there is nothing on Koshi to think he might be mafia. This makes no sense at all.
On April 30 2020 00:27 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 00:03 Kurumi wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Trfel
raynpelikoneetI have no idea with which one of these two I should start. There's an obvious triangle between them and me - with them defending each-other and pushing me, but pushing me so lightly that they don't even commit to a vote. And they do all this for me JUST pinging Trfel. Never called Trfel scum. Never voted Trfel. That's a misrepresentation. But the moment I mention Trfel to rayn, he believes that Trfel has shown "effort" (they did not, as I outlined in a post of mine). After this, rayn declares I should be suspicious of him because of his defense of Trfel - to which I have replied already as well. I was. I know that rayn tunnel-visions a lot, but the play he's shown this game is outright bogus to me. Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. They go as far as literally reiterating rayn's previous point he made to me about how I should be suspicious of rayn and me not being suspicious of rayn is scummy. They also misrepresent me as saying "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy" which is wildly untrue. I expressed DOUBTS whether I can do that. Not that I can and will. And you know what's the best thing ever in Trfel's posting? On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote:
-snip-
However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious. Amazing backpedal. So your plan from the start of the game was claim to be lazy and then call the first person to call you out scum? Because "mostly joking"? So not only you've lied about "being lazy" this game through your gameplay after I put some heat on you, you also admit it outright? Cool. So, the only reason I'm voting Trfel over raynpelikoneet really is that I think Trfel has a role. I'd rather have a scum-with-role dead than a vanilla scum dead. Easy? Easy. ##vote Trfel Holy wall of text Batman. You also seem overdefensive in this post (for someone who doesn't have any votes on them.) Show nested quote +Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. Are you sure trfel was lying and didn't just get into the game more than he expected to?
I 100% disagree. I don't think Kurumi was being overdefensive, he is just dropping his thought process on his posts and that makes him 100% town.
On April 30 2020 00:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 00:23 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 30 2020 00:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So far I have Slam, Koshi, and Kurumi on my possibly mafia list. Why koshi? That entrance is sounds totally like Koshi mafia entrance.
I would understand if this was the very beginning of day 1 but we have enough information other than dwelling in opening posts. There is nothing alignment indicative in Koshi's opening.
Shockey, could you please explain what is this meta about? What consist in "Koshi mafia opening"?
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On April 30 2020 10:51 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 10:49 GlowingBear wrote:On April 30 2020 00:03 Kurumi wrote:Slam, everyone, please don't spam post, it really doesn't help. I decided to make a list for summary's sake and that we hopefully don't miss out something later. No contribution so far:Grackaroni (posted, but it is literally an introduction post and a youtube-link post) Fecalfeast (admitted to not reading the thread) Koshi (no posts at all) Jockmcplop (no posts at all) Chezinu (but talking Chezinu and contributing is a whole can of worms)
Low-effort/medium activityShockeyy (claims town and wanting to lead it, pings me through quoting Vivax, scumreads Alakaslam, notes that Trfel has played games back-to-back and understands their desire to be lazy) Alakaslam (notes the cop-outs, pings me, claimed town, seemingly agrees with me, Vivax, torn about Trfel anyway) GlowingBear (pings Vivax, then votes them without providing more reasoning, interacts with Trfel on basis of past games, although seemingly agrees with me, is interested in how Trfel is going to play) Funnily enough, if someone were to put a gun to my head right now, I'd say all three are Town. That only means I at this moment lean Town more on them than Scum and it's flimsy enough to flip fast. If I were to pick the strongest town feel out of these three, it would be Slam because I liked him noticing the cop-outs and well, I like that he seems to agree with me ActiveVivax (pinged me, wanted to interact with people and did, pressured Fecalfeast through a vote on good reasoning after I asked for who I should be looking into, most importantly, came to the exact same conclusions I have right now.)
KurumiTrfel
raynpelikoneetI have no idea with which one of these two I should start. There's an obvious triangle between them and me - with them defending each-other and pushing me, but pushing me so lightly that they don't even commit to a vote. And they do all this for me JUST pinging Trfel. Never called Trfel scum. Never voted Trfel. That's a misrepresentation. But the moment I mention Trfel to rayn, he believes that Trfel has shown "effort" (they did not, as I outlined in a post of mine). After this, rayn declares I should be suspicious of him because of his defense of Trfel - to which I have replied already as well. I was. I know that rayn tunnel-visions a lot, but the play he's shown this game is outright bogus to me. Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. They go as far as literally reiterating rayn's previous point he made to me about how I should be suspicious of rayn and me not being suspicious of rayn is scummy. They also misrepresent me as saying "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy" which is wildly untrue. I expressed DOUBTS whether I can do that. Not that I can and will. And you know what's the best thing ever in Trfel's posting? On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote:
-snip-
However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious. Amazing backpedal. So your plan from the start of the game was claim to be lazy and then call the first person to call you out scum? Because "mostly joking"? So not only you've lied about "being lazy" this game through your gameplay after I put some heat on you, you also admit it outright? Cool. So, the only reason I'm voting Trfel over raynpelikoneet really is that I think Trfel has a role. I'd rather have a scum-with-role dead than a vanilla scum dead. Easy? Easy. ##vote Trfel+ Show Spoiler [unofficial votecount] +
Fecalfeast - 0
Vivax
raynpelikoneet - 1
Vivax
Vivax - 1
GlowingBear
This is the best post in thread and Kurumi is top town. There is no way scum would put so much effort while also mindmelding with me in the beginning of the game. Only issue is there is a way. Scum can be badass But yeah Kurumi top town for me as well.
I hardly believe Kurumi is mafia here. I would be surprised.
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On April 30 2020 11:05 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 11:03 GlowingBear wrote:On April 29 2020 15:56 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 15:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But they are not. I also think FF and Slam are town but i am not that sure about it. slam i can get behind, not ff why ff This is the exact opposite of what I think. Actually, FF is basically NAI. He just came to the thread, shitposted and got out. no
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On April 30 2020 03:48 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 01:42 GlowingBear wrote:On April 30 2020 01:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 30 2020 01:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Wait jock says his vote on koshi was jokes?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Nah I genuinely thought he was mafia after his one post and shockeyy saying that post made him mafia. I was convinced. but alas! Now I have seen the light. ##unvote: koshi No way. ##Unvote
##Vote: JockmcplopYou're mafia. The difference between the conviction in the posts from kurumi/fefe and here gb is why I think the first 2 arz town and gb is mafia. I also had the wtf how scummy is the jock fella with his vote and backtrack on me. But I also had a healthy amount of doubt and confusion. I think fefe and kurumi both showed some conservatism in their posts. GB did not. GB looked like a wolf jumping on a poor misguided sheep.
##Vote GB
This is bad. The guy just started voting you out of a joke, then when FF pushed him, he said he genuinely thought you were mafia but now "have seen the light". It makes no sense from a town perspective. Why would he think you're mafia in the first place? Because of a weak meta read from Shockey? And what was so iron clad that he thought OKAY HAHA I GOT IT WRONG
It makes no sense as town and you should know it.
You have no reason to vote me.
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On April 30 2020 03:53 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. Seems like Vivax and rayn think slam is town. GB not mentioned a lot.
I shall keep an eye on these 2 then. GB without doubt most mafia guy in the thread so far.
No waves
Wolftype attack on obvious mafiaish post made by thinking about the game townie.
What do you mean with no waves?
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On April 30 2020 11:16 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I only voted Koshi to put more pressure on him after that opening, especially if it was going to be two votes already. I thought it would of been obvious. I already explained my reasoning why I thought it was a Koshi mafia opening.
Okay, I'll have to read the whole thread.
I'll have to stop playing now because I'm having very bad headaches. But I'll be back when I get better.
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On April 30 2020 23:27 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 23:22 Vivax wrote:On April 30 2020 23:04 Koshi wrote:
If people dont know why it is mafia:
45%) He is not looking for mafia.
30%) It is hard to freally give good reads when you are mafia not bothering to indepth read.
20%) It keeps his options open on all other players
5%) After we lynch GB there is no information in his filter. What do you mean he's not looking for mafia? He has Slam and Jock as his scumleans, pretty obviously. His thought process on Kurumi also feels genuine. With Kurumi calling out Trfel after GB did, ie the mindmeld. Sure, he isn't putting in the super work, but he's also ill. So right now it looks more like you are pushing him at all costs while he can't play optimally. What are your other reads Koshi? The jock scumread is pathetic. GB said that Jock said his vote was serieus and then backtracked that his vote was a joke. That is either: Misreading as mafia because you are not paying attention. Misrepresenting as mafia. Misreading so gravely as town that it is punishable by lynch.
Koshi, that's not how I read Jock as mafia.
He came to the thread, saw Shockeyy opening with a bad meta read on your opening post that only he could see, then Jock came to the thread and placed a vote on you like that was a joke. Then FF asked him why he was voting you. He then said he genuinely thought you are mafia (WHY?) and decided to unvote.
This is clearly, for me, a mafia that decided to leave a vote on a wagon without thinking much but when pressured to say anything about it, didn't have any reasons and decided to backtrack.
Now, I would understand if he just said "I was joking" or "I was just pressuring", but he said he "genuinely" thought you were mafia, which doesn't make sense from a town perspective. WHY would he unvote just because someone asked his opinon? What was so glaringly town from you at that time that made him unvote???
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Also, why are you so eager to defend Jock from a lynch and to call me mafia for reasons that doesn't make me mafia, Koshi?
Tell me why Jock is so fucking town to you.
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On April 30 2020 23:31 Koshi wrote:
So why are you saying GB has a slam scumread????
Because I have? You would know if you ACTUALLY READ MY FILTER before throwing any suspicions on me.
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On April 30 2020 23:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 23:36 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, why are you so eager to defend Jock from a lynch and to call me mafia for reasons that doesn't make me mafia, Koshi?
Tell me why Jock is so fucking town to you. Who the fuck cares what Jock is to me. This is you trying to discredit me by me having to proof Jock is town. BUT JOKE IS ON YOU. I dont have to proof shit.
Yes you fucking do because you're pushing my lynch for no fucking reason because I called Jock mafia and you have him town for no fucking reason.
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On April 30 2020 23:40 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 23:39 GlowingBear wrote:On April 30 2020 23:31 Koshi wrote:
So why are you saying GB has a slam scumread???? Because I have? You would know if you ACTUALLY READ MY FILTER before throwing any suspicions on me. PROOF IT
JUST FUCKING READ MY FILTER
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On April 30 2020 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fine i am going to side with Koshi on this, at least some townies are voting for the same shit.
##unvote jockmcplop
##vote glowingbear
Why are they town again? Why are you voting me?
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On April 30 2020 21:38 Vivax wrote:
FF laughing at his own mistakes feels townie.
Well played if scum. Revisiting at a later day.
GB not seeing it and calling him scum for shitposting is kinda bad. Makes me feel less good about my Jock vote together with rayn being too comfy with it as well.
Dunno, maybe I should just yolo Shockeyy.
I said FF was shitposting AT THAT PARTICULAR MOMENT while I was doing my catch up. I agree that FF is most likely town after that post.
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On April 30 2020 23:45 Koshi wrote:
You dont have Slam as a scumread. Merely mentioned him being wishy washy. That is just an observation. Nothing more at all.
Your jock scumread was teiggered by jock doing something super dumb which looked mafia. So you went for the safe jump on jock without thinking twice.
You are not trying to solve this game enough to call you town or to leave you alive.
You make no waves at all. You voted Vivax and it had 0.0000% impact. No explanation no nothing.
You call rayn town and it had 0.000% impact on the game. No explanation no nothing.
Early game you claim to have the same suspicion of tfrel as kurumi, hence the townread, yet when you talk to Tfrel there is absolutely nothing there to support that claim. You backed off from the conversation
I started actually reading the thread and I was posting what it appeared to be more significative, Slam is a scum read because of his wishy washiness. He simply isn't making any hard stances and that's why I think he is probably mafia.
Jock's vote wasn't just super dumb, it simply doesn't make sense from a town perspective. And if it doesn't make sense from a town perspective, he is probably mafia.
I tried to play a bit more but I wasn't feeling well, I did my best to catch up with what is written.
I never called rayn town. I don't like how he is not taking hard stances, but I have a gut feeling he is probably town and I don't want to talk about it for reasons. I'd rather have him alive and think about him later.
I thought Trfel could be mafia if he was actually lazy. My intention with pointing that out was to generate discussion. I think he has being posted a fair amount of information and he is playing more like he is town. I'm not lynching Trfel here.
Kurumi posted the same thoughts I had on Trfel and he kept answering rayn in the same way I was thinking, meaning we are coming from the same perspective - hence, town. His wall of texts has he thought process completely displayed on thread, crystal clear. He's not to be discussed day1 after that. Same thing with Vivax. I had the impression on the beginning of the game that he was acting a bit fake, but he is actively contributing with the thread and clearly displaying his thought process.
I didn't read what Grackaroni posted.
Shockeyy had a bad opening on you, could be mafia, but I wouldn't lynch him today because he does look like mafia as town and he isn't been apologetic for not playing (which I believe is a scum meta for him)
Chez is BROWN <3
FF's post about re-reading the thread and flipping his opinion makes him town.
I don't know who I'm forgetting, let me see
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