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On April 30 2020 04:51 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 04:47 Alakaslam wrote:On April 30 2020 00:58 Kurumi wrote:On April 30 2020 00:27 Jockmcplop wrote:-snip- Holy wall of text Batman. You also seem overdefensive in this post (for someone who doesn't have any votes on them.) Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. Are you sure trfel was lying and didn't just get into the game more than he expected to? Wall of text? You people don't do big list posts or case posts anymore? As for the overdefensive comment, I'll take that as a good joke. Why do they think they have to get into the game more when all that's happened is I pinged them out? Overdefensive much, huh? On April 30 2020 00:42 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 30 2020 00:27 Kurumi wrote:On April 30 2020 00:16 ShoCkeyy wrote:On April 30 2020 00:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
Kurumi if you think this is spammy you would have hated it a couple years ago...
Shit more like 5 years ago Yea, I went from 40 players with about 20 page games to 10 players with 200+ pages, now its 10 with 70 pages, so not that bad anymore. I do know. I've been part of this forum for 9 years now and did my fair share of spamming. On April 29 2020 23:47 Jockmcplop wrote:alakaslam: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2020 10:09 Alakaslam wrote:
Gonna have to side with Kurumi on the logic train. Defend yourself, not others, even when scum. Because it be scummy until the town begins wearing trousers on their head. Then defense the ally. On April 29 2020 15:17 Alakaslam wrote:
Stuff getting really strangely simple. Like straight up people make excuse = they is scum.
If Vivax is right.
But it is funny, Trfel being more active than anyone else post excuse has me feeling townie on him even though it literally points scummier than before. Like, my head and my gut disagree I find these posts pretty scummy, like you want to agree with Kurumi but then want to back out for some reason. You seem so sure in one post and unsure in the next. Kurumi's logic train very much had to do with his suspicions on trfel and you seemed sure about it but then next thing you're like "yeah but maybe not." and that's it. Also, Kurumi's logic, I pointed out above why its bad logic. On the one hand, he says that all trfel has done is ask questions, but trfel's questions brought more information into the thread, which Kurumi says is 'never bad'. I don't think Kurumi is using consistent scumhunting logic here in going after trfel. Trfel's questions were useless or bad. One they asked Alakaslam made absolutely no sense given that Trfel was one giving a cop-out. The way they questioned me about my opening post was not to make me introduce me into the game, but to learn how committed I am to the game. Why do they need to know how committed I am to the game? Well, it makes deciding how the N1 KP goes. I don't know whether to disagree with you or scumread you. I can't see how you've had such a reaction to rayn and trfel questioning how you started the game. You seem genuinely pissed off and i don't get why. Trfel's post is one that you see in about 70% of game openings and sometimes its a town post; sometimes its a mafia post, but you really can't tell from whether someone follows up on day 1 by being exactly as active as they said they would. I also really don't buy this theory that rayn and trfel are mafia coming after you for pinging trfel. Mafia are probably trying to hide or just watch right now. Maybe one of them is, but both, like this on day one? Nah -snip- Then that's bad practice you allow it. It sets up a potential deflection with "well, gee I told you guys I'm not going to do much..." which only creates confusion in the discussion. Look at what's happened: I call out Trfel ever so slightly and rayn comes swinging at me for no reason, so deep to even implicate himself, but never pushing himself to vote, mostly attacking me instead of defending Trfel. Basically, discrediting me instead of committing to defending Trfel. As for you comment to what Mafia is currently doing... why? You just voted Koshi, who's posted NOTHING besides promise of contributing for "pressure". He's pressured himself already a lot more than your vote did. And Shockeyy's. You're abandoning what's already developed in the thread to deflect onto one of the lurkers. And what the fuck is this "Maybe one of them is, but both, like this on day one? Nah". WHY? So you scumread one of them? What is this sentence even? Very town looking of Kurumi here. But I love giving policy advice as mafia too, hmmm..... The effort of making a huge summary this early was quite townie, just seems exactly that: Too early. Btw he reminded me that Grack is in this game. Hey Grack, care to post?
Sure but there is always wifom; he could know that and pull early legwork so he can coast a bit if he needs to.
Or to solidify town credibility and lead mislynches. I do think he is town largely because I agree with him, but I agree with scum a lot so idk.
Meanwhile my gut loves to OMGUS on ShoCkeyy. It’s actually quite the motivator but I don’t like the idea of OMGUSing.
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On April 30 2020 04:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 04:47 Alakaslam wrote:On April 30 2020 00:58 Kurumi wrote:On April 30 2020 00:27 Jockmcplop wrote:-snip- Holy wall of text Batman. You also seem overdefensive in this post (for someone who doesn't have any votes on them.) Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. Are you sure trfel was lying and didn't just get into the game more than he expected to? Wall of text? You people don't do big list posts or case posts anymore? As for the overdefensive comment, I'll take that as a good joke. Why do they think they have to get into the game more when all that's happened is I pinged them out? Overdefensive much, huh? On April 30 2020 00:42 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 30 2020 00:27 Kurumi wrote:On April 30 2020 00:16 ShoCkeyy wrote:On April 30 2020 00:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
Kurumi if you think this is spammy you would have hated it a couple years ago...
Shit more like 5 years ago Yea, I went from 40 players with about 20 page games to 10 players with 200+ pages, now its 10 with 70 pages, so not that bad anymore. I do know. I've been part of this forum for 9 years now and did my fair share of spamming. On April 29 2020 23:47 Jockmcplop wrote:alakaslam: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2020 10:09 Alakaslam wrote:
Gonna have to side with Kurumi on the logic train. Defend yourself, not others, even when scum. Because it be scummy until the town begins wearing trousers on their head. Then defense the ally. On April 29 2020 15:17 Alakaslam wrote:
Stuff getting really strangely simple. Like straight up people make excuse = they is scum.
If Vivax is right.
But it is funny, Trfel being more active than anyone else post excuse has me feeling townie on him even though it literally points scummier than before. Like, my head and my gut disagree I find these posts pretty scummy, like you want to agree with Kurumi but then want to back out for some reason. You seem so sure in one post and unsure in the next. Kurumi's logic train very much had to do with his suspicions on trfel and you seemed sure about it but then next thing you're like "yeah but maybe not." and that's it. Also, Kurumi's logic, I pointed out above why its bad logic. On the one hand, he says that all trfel has done is ask questions, but trfel's questions brought more information into the thread, which Kurumi says is 'never bad'. I don't think Kurumi is using consistent scumhunting logic here in going after trfel. Trfel's questions were useless or bad. One they asked Alakaslam made absolutely no sense given that Trfel was one giving a cop-out. The way they questioned me about my opening post was not to make me introduce me into the game, but to learn how committed I am to the game. Why do they need to know how committed I am to the game? Well, it makes deciding how the N1 KP goes. I don't know whether to disagree with you or scumread you. I can't see how you've had such a reaction to rayn and trfel questioning how you started the game. You seem genuinely pissed off and i don't get why. Trfel's post is one that you see in about 70% of game openings and sometimes its a town post; sometimes its a mafia post, but you really can't tell from whether someone follows up on day 1 by being exactly as active as they said they would. I also really don't buy this theory that rayn and trfel are mafia coming after you for pinging trfel. Mafia are probably trying to hide or just watch right now. Maybe one of them is, but both, like this on day one? Nah -snip- Then that's bad practice you allow it. It sets up a potential deflection with "well, gee I told you guys I'm not going to do much..." which only creates confusion in the discussion. Look at what's happened: I call out Trfel ever so slightly and rayn comes swinging at me for no reason, so deep to even implicate himself, but never pushing himself to vote, mostly attacking me instead of defending Trfel. Basically, discrediting me instead of committing to defending Trfel. As for you comment to what Mafia is currently doing... why? You just voted Koshi, who's posted NOTHING besides promise of contributing for "pressure". He's pressured himself already a lot more than your vote did. And Shockeyy's. You're abandoning what's already developed in the thread to deflect onto one of the lurkers. And what the fuck is this "Maybe one of them is, but both, like this on day one? Nah". WHY? So you scumread one of them? What is this sentence even? Very town looking of Kurumi here. But I love giving policy advice as mafia too, hmmm..... So either town or mafia?
Exactly. I’m wishy-washy as all hell, don’t uou know?
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Otherwise, I would vote Trfel.
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On reflection while I ate lunch.
##Vote: ShoCkeyy
Don’t want to lynch the more active player between the two.
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I can confirm (also in Diplomacy) GB is ill. Like less activity there as well as here. Some illnesses cause you not to want to look at a screen and read and think and encourage vomit.
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Well figgis fish I must teach
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On April 30 2020 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why are you voting for Shockeyy Slam?
He seems to be coasting on an easy LHF. I don’t believe the reasons he has raised for scumreading me, and he is one of very few who goes that far (not that I have shined a holy light of townieness, in other words).
In that context it just looks scummy to me.
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On April 30 2020 10:10 GlowingBear wrote:
ALRIGHT I'm here. I'll make a catchup post.
Homboii
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On April 30 2020 10:24 Trfel wrote:
Alakaslam, can you explain why you are suspicious of me?
Because you did some stuff that threw my gut off. Earlier it felt intelligent and now it doesn’t but that is largely due to my goldfishlike nature on here. I can’t remember jack except the overall gut feeling over time.
You seem invested though which is good either way. If you are scum, the fact that you are active warrants keeping you in the game because you will show yourself eventually. If you are town, keep playing and you will very likely change my mind. Because you already have started to do so.
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GB those posts following each other remind me of your condition *X)
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On April 30 2020 10:45 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 23:21 Jockmcplop wrote:Hi everyone here's a catch up post: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2020 16:45 Vivax wrote:
im on phone formatting will keep it short.
your case sounds an awful lot like you are implying that kurumi is doing what jock did in holy guardians except you did so at a time when trfel had at most 4 or 5 posts that didnt say much about his alignment.
also again you are acting like you know my alignment from the start when ive been mostly shitposting before.
ill play devils advocate with myself later but i find it odd atm that you and trfel didnt have the dejavus i had there. I remember the other game you are talking about and reading through the thread I did get flashbacks. I don't really get how you go from noticing the similarities to rayn having motivations other than scumhunting. Like you think rayn saw that trfel as lynchbait worked in the last game for town so he's leveraging the same idea as mafia and hoping that no-one will notice, with probably half the people playing in both games? I can't really see it. Its simpler just to think that trfel as lynchbait worked last time, kurumi wasn't here last time, rayn is thinking it might work again and get us a day 1 hit. The one thing I do agree with here is it looks like rayn is assuming you are town. I guess I can understand that based on meta (maaaaaaayyyyyybe), and he did say he townread you so its probably just a read more than an assumption. As for trfel's opening, stuff like that isn't really worth discussing unless he disappears at times that are overly convenient for mafia. + Show Spoiler +Is it bad or not?
Let's let Team Liquid decide.On April 29 2020 05:41 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today  I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF This post is bad and you should feel bad for it. On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead. oh. @Glowingbear why is this such a bad post to you? I mean I don't agree with it really or see how it will have the intended effect but it doesn't seem so bad from an AI perspective @Kurumi: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2020 07:48 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 07:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But that's not true, about Trfel only asking questions? What do you mean? So far they've: -started the game out by saying they're going to be lazy -asked Alakaslam what does he mean with people giving excuses (see previous point, wut?) -asked me how I'm going to play and fished for whether I checked out the player roster for past games and meta -now questions GlowingBear about Vivax which is first "OK" thing. I have no idea why you're pushing back on Trfel so much given that all I've done is cast some shade on them. On April 29 2020 08:10 Kurumi wrote: Besides, bringing more information into the thread is never wrong, especially when we establish connections people have to each other based on their reactions and interactions.
Would you say that trfel asking the questions he asked brought more information into the thread? I mean, I now know who you have played with before and am better able to judge the different way you might interact with me compared to say rayn... which is useful. I don't believe in pressure votes when you explicitly say it's a pressure vote. You appear like doing something but you're actually doing nothing. That sounded suspicious about Vivax, and I thought this would make people discuss. I have been sick and didn't play the game until now.
This is golden GB and, you literally reference your condition. The condition of your health. Like you taking it for the team right now, U STRONK HOMBOII LIKE SLAVIC MAN
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On April 30 2020 10:49 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 00:03 Kurumi wrote:Slam, everyone, please don't spam post, it really doesn't help. I decided to make a list for summary's sake and that we hopefully don't miss out something later. No contribution so far:Grackaroni (posted, but it is literally an introduction post and a youtube-link post) Fecalfeast (admitted to not reading the thread) Koshi (no posts at all) Jockmcplop (no posts at all) Chezinu (but talking Chezinu and contributing is a whole can of worms)
Low-effort/medium activityShockeyy (claims town and wanting to lead it, pings me through quoting Vivax, scumreads Alakaslam, notes that Trfel has played games back-to-back and understands their desire to be lazy) Alakaslam (notes the cop-outs, pings me, claimed town, seemingly agrees with me, Vivax, torn about Trfel anyway) GlowingBear (pings Vivax, then votes them without providing more reasoning, interacts with Trfel on basis of past games, although seemingly agrees with me, is interested in how Trfel is going to play) Funnily enough, if someone were to put a gun to my head right now, I'd say all three are Town. That only means I at this moment lean Town more on them than Scum and it's flimsy enough to flip fast. If I were to pick the strongest town feel out of these three, it would be Slam because I liked him noticing the cop-outs and well, I like that he seems to agree with me  ActiveVivax (pinged me, wanted to interact with people and did, pressured Fecalfeast through a vote on good reasoning after I asked for who I should be looking into, most importantly, came to the exact same conclusions I have right now.)
KurumiTrfel
raynpelikoneetI have no idea with which one of these two I should start. There's an obvious triangle between them and me - with them defending each-other and pushing me, but pushing me so lightly that they don't even commit to a vote. And they do all this for me JUST pinging Trfel. Never called Trfel scum. Never voted Trfel. That's a misrepresentation. But the moment I mention Trfel to rayn, he believes that Trfel has shown "effort" (they did not, as I outlined in a post of mine). After this, rayn declares I should be suspicious of him because of his defense of Trfel - to which I have replied already as well. I was. I know that rayn tunnel-visions a lot, but the play he's shown this game is outright bogus to me. Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. They go as far as literally reiterating rayn's previous point he made to me about how I should be suspicious of rayn and me not being suspicious of rayn is scummy. They also misrepresent me as saying "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy" which is wildly untrue. I expressed DOUBTS whether I can do that. Not that I can and will. And you know what's the best thing ever in Trfel's posting? On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote:
-snip-
However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious. Amazing backpedal. So your plan from the start of the game was claim to be lazy and then call the first person to call you out scum? Because "mostly joking"? So not only you've lied about "being lazy" this game through your gameplay after I put some heat on you, you also admit it outright? Cool. So, the only reason I'm voting Trfel over raynpelikoneet really is that I think Trfel has a role. I'd rather have a scum-with-role dead than a vanilla scum dead. Easy? Easy. ##vote Trfel+ Show Spoiler [unofficial votecount] +
Fecalfeast - 0
Vivax
raynpelikoneet - 1
Vivax
Vivax - 1
GlowingBear
This is the best post in thread and Kurumi is top town. There is no way scum would put so much effort while also mindmelding with me in the beginning of the game.
Only issue is there is a way. Scum can be badass
But yeah Kurumi top town for me as well.
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On April 30 2020 10:45 Trfel wrote:
Mostly finished filter diving. Some notable points:
For maybe the first time ever, I actually like Koshi. Surprised, haha.
Why does everyone think Jockmcplop's play was so suspicious? To me it was obviously a joke/pressure vote. I don't understand why it's so bad and blatantly a scummy mistake.
People already pointed out Alakaslam's wishy-washy attitude, it makes me suspicious but it also is the thing that makes me hesitate to scumread him (I know, the irony here is incredible). I want to read a previous Alakaslam game or two later tonight for comparison. Alakaslam is also a ton more serious than I am used to, which if I remember correctly is his tendency when he is mafia. So I am highly suspicious of him (admittedly, mostly due to meta), but I want to double check the meta later.
Fecalfeast just seems to follow thread sentiment and not contribute much. Feels like he is just existing. I find him hard to read, but that all his reads follow thread sentiment is rather interesting.
Really don't know what to make of Kurumi. Going to try to reread his filter.
See Trfel being more town. Dammit I am very confused this game. Because that is spot-on correct 2016 slam meta but living on the island really changed my life. Also getting married contributed to that. So in more recent games, the change should be apparent to him and he suspects this possibility rather than rush into starting a lynch train.
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On April 30 2020 11:48 Fecalfeast wrote:I made a bunch of comments about random posts as I was going through and was going to condense them all down but now I'm disheartened. Here's where I was at, including the part i copy and pasted into my previous post + Show Spoiler +USO HODLER (Innocent Child) lol On April 25 2020 15:09 Alakaslam wrote:Hey. Have you hacked into my acc? I dont know wbo you are, but PM me from and alt and I have multiple smurfs you can use. Ok? I’ve changed the pass to this one. So. Please go to an alt and I’ll give you a smurf. was this real btw? On April 29 2020 05:16 GlowingBear wrote:
OHAI!
I'm town town gb would have said he is mafia On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF I work dayshift, deadline is at noon for me. On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead. Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player. shit i think we should kill him then You want to butt heads, eh? What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game? how tf is that a good lead? You don't even know me lol wut the ping about trfel also seems forced when i read it On April 29 2020 06:59 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:20 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? The only people I believe I have not played with are Shockeyy, Jockmcplop and Grackaroni. I believe we have played together (maybe even on a scum team?), I have played lots with rayn, Vivax, Koshi, Chezinu and probably Alakaslam could go into that category as well. So Fecalfeast, Trfel (you) and GlowingBear are people I should've played already but my meta judgement would be seriously impractical here. On April 29 2020 05:04 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:02 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player. I know he's played a bunch before, I've seen him around a bit before (forget where). The reason I ask is that he said he will be trying to make some meta reads, I'm curious if that's going to be based on previous game experience or if he intends on filter diving past games of unfamiliar players or what. I'm not a fan of that approach. Especially after not playing for so long. I agree Vivax! Actually, if I were in a self-deprecating mood I'd probably state outright that I don't feel meta-competent right now. Fair enough, I didn't realize it was that many players. Thanks for explaining! Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:26 GlowingBear wrote:On April 29 2020 04:37 Trfel wrote:Hi all  In-game excuse, I'm going to be a bit lazy this game. Also more likely to be active late evening (PDT). No Trfel, you're either effortful or mafia. You hosted last game, where I was lazy and town? Come to think of it, GlowingBear, what do you think about Vivax's alignment? haha gb is actually mafia isn't he On April 29 2020 12:58 Vivax wrote:So after not being able to sleep through the night, today is the day a meteor apparently misses earth once again. I have set up a little shrine sacrificing some stale mozzarella and pray to my favourite deity that it hits us. Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 11:37 Chezinu wrote:
I am unable to think of any critical, complex human activity that could be safely reduced to a simple summary equation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman_equation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NMDA_receptorShow nested quote +On April 29 2020 11:59 Grackaroni wrote:
Hi guys. I was hoping to get some investing advice.
My last investment didn't go so good... Lucca Gallo olive oil. Alternatively learn to grow tobacco and distill vodka from potatoes. I am. Shitposting aside: I think Kurumi and GB are reading too much into the Trfel 'future cop out' thing, but in a good way. Game still kinda looks like my mozzarella, and that helped. Fefe why are you so unpassionate? I have to work in the land of Pandemia and it's getting me down. It's stressful because my wife works in healthcare so if I get it she gets it and passes it to vulnerable people On April 29 2020 14:01 Trfel wrote:@Alakaslam and GlowingBear, thanks for answering my questions.
Anyway, I find Kurumi to be the most interesting person in the thread at the moment. Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead. Super non-committal, zero followup. Saying it's "not bad" means he thinks there is something to it, but he didn't say another word on the subject in any of his posts. Yes, I know, Fecalfeast didn't post in that time so there was nothing new to discuss, but I still think that if Kurumi actually found Fecalfeast suspicious/interesting he would have mentioned it to others. Like later that same post: Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player. shit i think we should kill him then You want to butt heads, eh? What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game? Why is he more interested in me making an excuse than the scumread he just said was decent? But that's what he chose to ask raynpelikoneet about. And he never seemed to stop and question raynpelikoneet's alignment, or even find raynpelikoneet's response interesting. This I really don't get. Raynpelikoneet's play of hard defending someone early in the game for weak reasons (especially in Kurumi's view, for the exact same reason he is suspicious) should be seen as a terrible play. I'd think that would be at least worth mentioning. But all Kurumi cares about is a player who made an excuse, not the alignment of the person he's interacting with. Doesn't feel right to me. Thoughts? good post, agree On April 29 2020 15:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But they are not. I also think FF and Slam are town but i am not that sure about it. why would you think I'm town tho? Also I think slam is scummy on toneread On April 29 2020 16:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's bad teasoning so i'd rather not discuss it yet.
Also i would really like to at least answer your case but i have a hard time understanding what youre accusing me of. Because youre saying i am doing similar things that i did as town or aomeone else did as town in some other game and that makes me MAFIA???
Also i always make reads that people find out to be for flimsy reasons early on in the game. Yes i think youre town and yes i think Trfel is town, whether or noy you like the reasoning that's something i do every single game as town (truth to be told probably in most games as mafia too).
I am also not trying to paint Kurumi mafia. I was simply just questioning the only thing i found to be worth questioning at that point of the game. I dont think i am getting more definite information on that, and i dont know what that makes Kurumi so i am just gonna let it go and see what he does after. I had the same reaction to vivax's case On April 29 2020 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am also one more time trying to clarify what is the problem i have with Kurumi. First he ask me about his opinion on Trfel. His opinion seems to be based on the following narrative: - Mafia is scared to post, therefore making excuses to not post It's simply no way Kurumi is even remotedly interested in Trfel's opening post unless the above is true. When i give my opinion on Trfel's posting (he had posted more in between), he says this: Show nested quote +Well, I got all bad vibes from this and wanted another pair of eyes on this. Someone declaring at the start of the game that they're going to be lazy feels like a setup for a future cop-out for why they're not putting the effort in. This is okay alignment wise i think, i mean i can see it coming from a townie too -- the quote in itself not considering other things. The thing that interests me here is that Trfel is not actually being lazy as he claimed at the start of the game. When i confront this Kurumi says: Show nested quote +Oh come on Ray, what kind of reasoning is this? If anything, we should be concerned that someone that has shown less interest in the game changes their behaviour so fast. If that's the whole picture, that is. Now what? Now we should be interested in Trfel because he ISN'T lazy? Basically throughout the game so far Kurumi has been saying: - Trfel is mafia because he is lazy and making excuses for not posting - If that's not true after all he is still mafia because he is actually posting aka, Trfel is mafia if he is not posting or if he is posting. What gives? hard agree On April 30 2020 00:03 Kurumi wrote:Slam, everyone, please don't spam post, it really doesn't help. I decided to make a list for summary's sake and that we hopefully don't miss out something later. No contribution so far:Grackaroni (posted, but it is literally an introduction post and a youtube-link post) Fecalfeast (admitted to not reading the thread) Koshi (no posts at all) Jockmcplop (no posts at all) Chezinu (but talking Chezinu and contributing is a whole can of worms)
Low-effort/medium activityShockeyy (claims town and wanting to lead it, pings me through quoting Vivax, scumreads Alakaslam, notes that Trfel has played games back-to-back and understands their desire to be lazy) Alakaslam (notes the cop-outs, pings me, claimed town, seemingly agrees with me, Vivax, torn about Trfel anyway) GlowingBear (pings Vivax, then votes them without providing more reasoning, interacts with Trfel on basis of past games, although seemingly agrees with me, is interested in how Trfel is going to play) Funnily enough, if someone were to put a gun to my head right now, I'd say all three are Town. That only means I at this moment lean Town more on them than Scum and it's flimsy enough to flip fast. If I were to pick the strongest town feel out of these three, it would be Slam because I liked him noticing the cop-outs and well, I like that he seems to agree with me ActiveVivax (pinged me, wanted to interact with people and did, pressured Fecalfeast through a vote on good reasoning after I asked for who I should be looking into, most importantly, came to the exact same conclusions I have right now.)
KurumiTrfel
raynpelikoneetI have no idea with which one of these two I should start. There's an obvious triangle between them and me - with them defending each-other and pushing me, but pushing me so lightly that they don't even commit to a vote. And they do all this for me JUST pinging Trfel. Never called Trfel scum. Never voted Trfel. That's a misrepresentation. But the moment I mention Trfel to rayn, he believes that Trfel has shown "effort" (they did not, as I outlined in a post of mine). After this, rayn declares I should be suspicious of him because of his defense of Trfel - to which I have replied already as well. I was. I know that rayn tunnel-visions a lot, but the play he's shown this game is outright bogus to me. Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. They go as far as literally reiterating rayn's previous point he made to me about how I should be suspicious of rayn and me not being suspicious of rayn is scummy. They also misrepresent me as saying "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy" which is wildly untrue. I expressed DOUBTS whether I can do that. Not that I can and will. And you know what's the best thing ever in Trfel's posting? Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote:
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However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious. Amazing backpedal. So your plan from the start of the game was claim to be lazy and then call the first person to call you out scum? Because "mostly joking"? So not only you've lied about "being lazy" this game through your gameplay after I put some heat on you, you also admit it outright? Cool. So, the only reason I'm voting Trfel over raynpelikoneet really is that I think Trfel has a role. I'd rather have a scum-with-role dead than a vanilla scum dead. Easy? Easy. ##vote Trfel+ Show Spoiler [unofficial votecount] +
Fecalfeast - 0
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raynpelikoneet - 1
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GlowingBear
classic effortpost that is basically a summary of the thread so far that ends in the same scumread you had all game. with the bonus effort of a votecount. nope gb calling this post the best post in the game and lock town also shows that GB isn't reading or else it would be clear that this is just empty effort On April 30 2020 00:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
Dislike rayns post on kurumi and i like kurumi so far
Shockckckckckeyyyy why is it a koshi mafia entrance and why did it take until jock voted for you to vote HAHAHAHAHAHA hahahahaha nice. I was obviously not reading before I would scumread myself for this post rn... let me check my pm again... On April 30 2020 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 00:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
Dislike rayns post on kurumi and i like kurumi so far
Shockckckckckeyyyy why is it a koshi mafia entrance and why did it take until jock voted for you to vote What do you dislike about my post? apparently I don't anymore so that's a thing On April 30 2020 11:08 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 11:05 Fecalfeast wrote:On April 30 2020 11:03 GlowingBear wrote:On April 29 2020 15:56 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 15:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But they are not. I also think FF and Slam are town but i am not that sure about it. slam i can get behind, not ff why ff This is the exact opposite of what I think. Actually, FF is basically NAI. He just came to the thread, shitposted and got out. no ye no On April 30 2020 11:11 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 03:48 Koshi wrote:On April 30 2020 01:42 GlowingBear wrote:On April 30 2020 01:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 30 2020 01:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Wait jock says his vote on koshi was jokes?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Nah I genuinely thought he was mafia after his one post and shockeyy saying that post made him mafia. I was convinced. but alas! Now I have seen the light. ##unvote: koshi No way. ##Unvote
##Vote: JockmcplopYou're mafia. The difference between the conviction in the posts from kurumi/fefe and here gb is why I think the first 2 arz town and gb is mafia. I also had the wtf how scummy is the jock fella with his vote and backtrack on me. But I also had a healthy amount of doubt and confusion. I think fefe and kurumi both showed some conservatism in their posts. GB did not. GB looked like a wolf jumping on a poor misguided sheep.
##Vote GB This is bad. The guy just started voting you out of a joke, then when FF pushed him, he said he genuinely thought you were mafia but now "have seen the light". It makes no sense from a town perspective. Why would he think you're mafia in the first place? Because of a weak meta read from Shockey? And what was so iron clad that he thought OKAY HAHA I GOT IT WRONG It makes no sense as town and you should know it. You have no reason to vote me. if I pushed someone then i didn't just shitpost and leave
It absolutely was. Somehow I /in seconds before I finished writing that I would in but idgttt. I dont got the time tho.
I changed pass etc and no word since.
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On April 30 2020 13:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 09:30 Alakaslam wrote:On April 30 2020 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why are you voting for Shockeyy Slam? He seems to be coasting on an easy LHF. I don’t believe the reasons he has raised for scumreading me, and he is one of very few who goes that far (not that I have shined a holy light of townieness, in other words). In that context it just looks scummy to me. You haven't posted any reasons to vote me, you just went from Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 04:57 Alakaslam wrote:On April 30 2020 04:51 Vivax wrote:On April 30 2020 04:47 Alakaslam wrote:On April 30 2020 00:58 Kurumi wrote:On April 30 2020 00:27 Jockmcplop wrote:-snip- Holy wall of text Batman. You also seem overdefensive in this post (for someone who doesn't have any votes on them.) Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. Are you sure trfel was lying and didn't just get into the game more than he expected to? Wall of text? You people don't do big list posts or case posts anymore? As for the overdefensive comment, I'll take that as a good joke. Why do they think they have to get into the game more when all that's happened is I pinged them out? Overdefensive much, huh? On April 30 2020 00:42 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 30 2020 00:27 Kurumi wrote:On April 30 2020 00:16 ShoCkeyy wrote:On April 30 2020 00:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
Kurumi if you think this is spammy you would have hated it a couple years ago...
Shit more like 5 years ago Yea, I went from 40 players with about 20 page games to 10 players with 200+ pages, now its 10 with 70 pages, so not that bad anymore. I do know. I've been part of this forum for 9 years now and did my fair share of spamming. On April 29 2020 23:47 Jockmcplop wrote:alakaslam: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2020 10:09 Alakaslam wrote:
Gonna have to side with Kurumi on the logic train. Defend yourself, not others, even when scum. Because it be scummy until the town begins wearing trousers on their head. Then defense the ally. On April 29 2020 15:17 Alakaslam wrote:
Stuff getting really strangely simple. Like straight up people make excuse = they is scum.
If Vivax is right.
But it is funny, Trfel being more active than anyone else post excuse has me feeling townie on him even though it literally points scummier than before. Like, my head and my gut disagree I find these posts pretty scummy, like you want to agree with Kurumi but then want to back out for some reason. You seem so sure in one post and unsure in the next. Kurumi's logic train very much had to do with his suspicions on trfel and you seemed sure about it but then next thing you're like "yeah but maybe not." and that's it. Also, Kurumi's logic, I pointed out above why its bad logic. On the one hand, he says that all trfel has done is ask questions, but trfel's questions brought more information into the thread, which Kurumi says is 'never bad'. I don't think Kurumi is using consistent scumhunting logic here in going after trfel. Trfel's questions were useless or bad. One they asked Alakaslam made absolutely no sense given that Trfel was one giving a cop-out. The way they questioned me about my opening post was not to make me introduce me into the game, but to learn how committed I am to the game. Why do they need to know how committed I am to the game? Well, it makes deciding how the N1 KP goes. I don't know whether to disagree with you or scumread you. I can't see how you've had such a reaction to rayn and trfel questioning how you started the game. You seem genuinely pissed off and i don't get why. Trfel's post is one that you see in about 70% of game openings and sometimes its a town post; sometimes its a mafia post, but you really can't tell from whether someone follows up on day 1 by being exactly as active as they said they would. I also really don't buy this theory that rayn and trfel are mafia coming after you for pinging trfel. Mafia are probably trying to hide or just watch right now. Maybe one of them is, but both, like this on day one? Nah -snip- Then that's bad practice you allow it. It sets up a potential deflection with "well, gee I told you guys I'm not going to do much..." which only creates confusion in the discussion. Look at what's happened: I call out Trfel ever so slightly and rayn comes swinging at me for no reason, so deep to even implicate himself, but never pushing himself to vote, mostly attacking me instead of defending Trfel. Basically, discrediting me instead of committing to defending Trfel. As for you comment to what Mafia is currently doing... why? You just voted Koshi, who's posted NOTHING besides promise of contributing for "pressure". He's pressured himself already a lot more than your vote did. And Shockeyy's. You're abandoning what's already developed in the thread to deflect onto one of the lurkers. And what the fuck is this "Maybe one of them is, but both, like this on day one? Nah". WHY? So you scumread one of them? What is this sentence even? Very town looking of Kurumi here. But I love giving policy advice as mafia too, hmmm..... The effort of making a huge summary this early was quite townie, just seems exactly that: Too early. Btw he reminded me that Grack is in this game. Hey Grack, care to post? Sure but there is always wifom; he could know that and pull early legwork so he can coast a bit if he needs to. Or to solidify town credibility and lead mislynches. I do think he is town largely because I agree with him, but I agree with scum a lot so idk. Meanwhile my gut loves to OMGUS on ShoCkeyy. It’s actually quite the motivator but I don’t like the idea of OMGUSing. to Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 05:23 Alakaslam wrote:
On reflection while I ate lunch.
##Vote: ShoCkeyy
Don’t want to lynch the more active player between the two. in like 15 mins... doubt you reflected much.
Thinking while having Tapas and KimchiJigae is a very stimulating course of action. It can almost be compared to the art of ingesting oolong tea.
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On April 30 2020 22:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I would be pleased if Slam and Shockeyy did something other than this 1on1 with each other.
I have flipped from a scum read to a town read on Trfel, be pleased!
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On May 01 2020 00:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why would i consider that? It's a dumb thing to consider "hey who is mafia if this and that of your scumreads are not in fact scum". Like do you want me to give opinion on the game being on a state i don't think it is?
Such confidence
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On May 01 2020 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well we have like what, three hours? I want to lynch between GB, Jock, and Grack. I dont think i am gonna vote for anyone else unless it's between two other people. I can do any of this because i think all of them are mafia. I'd like to have Trfel here too.
Such confidence
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On May 01 2020 02:45 Grackaroni wrote:
##unvote
##Vote:Slam
I think I'm probably going to be the lynch tbh. Sorry for bad play.
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Wait how are Koshi and I connected? I feel like I haven’t even agreed with him at all. I see no connection?
Also my next student is from 11:30-12:30 so though I am on, I can’t switch votes around and don’t see any reason to thus far.
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