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[M][N] Holy Guardians - Chapter 2

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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 03 2020 20:52 GMT
#12
Looks like you need someone with character.

/in
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 04 2020 21:09 GMT
#71
On April 05 2020 04:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Side note. Really like the detail you are putting into this GlowingBear.


Now, who my kid. (please be Chez)

Hey dad,

Sorry, I've been away working out. I told grandpa and grandma about this. Grandpa told me to tell you that I need more protein and said to make use of the olive oil and cook me a steak .
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 05 2020 02:30 GMT
#84
Mom!!

Dad said that we wants to murder me!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 05 2020 02:35 GMT
#85
Hey Andrezza!!!

Do you want to be in a movie?!!?

I have this great idea that I'm working on.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 05 2020 06:59 GMT
#126
Hey guys!

I am recruiting actors for my movie! Please let me know if you would like to join!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 05 2020 07:02 GMT
#127
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Chezinu
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United States7448 Posts
April 05 2020 08:22 GMT
#132
##vote Jockmcplop

Consequences
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 05 2020 09:09 GMT
#140
On April 05 2020 17:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Dear child of mine, this is you dad speaking! Change your clothes to something more appropriate right now! You are currently a disgust to the family.

What do you find appropriate dad? Why do I disgust you?
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 05 2020 23:44 GMT
#228
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Chezinu
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April 06 2020 05:18 GMT
#231
MOM!!!

What is up with the pool?!?! I was going to shoot a movie today!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 06 2020 05:20 GMT
#233
On April 06 2020 14:18 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2020 14:18 Chezinu wrote:
MOM!!!

What is up with the pool?!?! I was going to shoot a movie today!
Hi Chez

If you had to throw someone in the pool in a little less than 12 hours, do you have anyone you would choose?

You know the pool is green right now...

oh.. I guess you didn't watch my cooking show. If you did, you would know.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 06 2020 17:55 GMT
#358
Consequences
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 06 2020 18:23 GMT
#362
On April 07 2020 03:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 02:55 Chezinu wrote:
Consequences


Of?

You call me town, yet you know not what I have spoken.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 06 2020 18:31 GMT
#365
On April 07 2020 02:05 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Well well well, I'm happy with that, one town, one mafia member. I think I'll start changing my filter diving habits then. Hap did not seem very good town at all. Ughh, I'll need to really reevaluate who my reads are, but this puts Hap on my town list.

You said you had filter diving habits, yet you did not listen to me.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 06 2020 18:35 GMT
#366
On April 07 2020 03:28 ShoCkeyy wrote:
You barely have spoken, what am I going to do? Last game you did the same thing... So I'm just going with my gut for the meantime.

My name is Lucca Gallo Ricci!!! And you said that you have not heard my voice?!?!?!?

My cooking session was 36 minutes of me talking!! I haven't heard anyone else talk as much!

Thank goodness a good portion of everyone agreed with me to get rid of my sister. She was not helping the business nor my movies. Consequences.

She made a big mistake and missed steak.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 06 2020 19:39 GMT
#373
On April 07 2020 04:11 Hapahauli wrote:


He has eyes that sees. He has augmented reality too!

Wow that was uploaded a few months before Chez had a matrix experience...



Chez never even saw the video before.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 07 2020 00:25 GMT
#415
On April 07 2020 07:49 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 07:36 Hapahauli wrote:
I understand that you're re-reading the thread, there's a fair amount of new and present content to go on. What do you make of Rayn and BC?


I don't think Rayn is mafia, he's a head strong player when he's town, and I can see it in him. Jock though first went for trfel, then rayn, then me, then you. BC on the other hand is interesting. He voted for you first. That's my biggest scum tell this game. BC/Jock does seem like a possible team when Jock leaned on you last.

The only other conclusion I can come up with is that, Jock knew he scum slipped and told Chez to vote him instantly to keep Chez safe. Very tinfoiling but this is mafia, you never fucking know anymore...

OOC: But why would Chez listen to his teammates?!?!?
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 07 2020 00:27 GMT
#416
On April 07 2020 09:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 09:13 Hapahauli wrote:
On April 07 2020 09:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also Hap. Remove the fact we both think eachother are red.

Is it same to state that we both have Shockeyy as possible red?

Is it also safe to say we both currently list Vivax and Trfel as town reads?

I know you have Rayn listed as scum over Chez. Any particular reason you think chez is safe from general suspicion at this moment in time?


Shockey is certainly a plausible red.

Vivax and Trfel are hard town reads, and they have been since Day 1.

Rayn is a stronger town read than Chez. My "reads" post is not necessarily in order. Rather, it categorizes players I would not lynch, vs. players I would consider lynching.

Fact is though, I'm not considering lynching anyone other than you tomorrow.


Not saying you have to consider it tomorrow. I am more operating from the. "hey if we are both town tunneling the fuck out of eachother, lets see what we can do to make it easier to solve after the fact"

Cause straight up. I die I flip green, likely hood is town then lynches you. If you get lynched over me and flip green then I am deff lynched the day after. Pretty sure mathematically the Mafia wins at that point.


MOM!!!

What is up with the pool!??!?

Why is it green? Why does it have a barbed wired fence around it?
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 07 2020 00:29 GMT
#418
Hey Dad,

Can I have Andrezza's room?
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 07 2020 00:50 GMT
#424
DAD!!!!!!


Look what mom did to the pool!



Geez, did you kill something in there?
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 07 2020 04:24 GMT
#453
Are you Prepared?


[image loading]
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 07 2020 05:47 GMT
#455
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 07 2020 05:53 GMT
#456
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 07 2020 06:01 GMT
#457
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Chezinu
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United States7448 Posts
April 07 2020 06:30 GMT
#460
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 07 2020 20:14 GMT
#553
On April 07 2020 01:28 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 01:18 Vivax wrote:
On April 07 2020 01:17 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On April 07 2020 01:07 Vivax wrote:
On April 07 2020 01:06 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I haven't caught up with the thread yet, but as I'm reading it, is there a few reasons why we're voting Jock over Hapa?

To me it seems that Hapa is really skirting by while Jock has been playing the game and responding, to me that seems like town more than anything.

Anyways back to reading.


Hapa isn't skirting by, he's just surgical with his posts.
You were skirting by. This is probably the first opinion on something I see you giving.


Can you post why we should vote Jock over Hapa? Or are you going to continue defending his lack of posting and instant town read on you?

My concern is that every time we vote one of the most active players off the game, it's always turns out as town. Last game we played Sentinel is playing the same way Hap is and he ended up being the roleblocker.


Who are your top towns?


raynpelikoneet
Chezinu
BloodyC0bbler
Trfel


OOC:

rayn,

I already asked shocky why he thought I was mafia town. I already questioned if the thread was read.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 07 2020 21:33 GMT
#558
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 07 2020 22:47 GMT
#559
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 08 2020 00:47 GMT
#563
On April 08 2020 09:35 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I just finished my meetings for today, have a possible D&D setup today, yet this game is so quiet. Anybody around?

Lucca Gallo Here!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 08 2020 06:28 GMT
#569
Hey mom,

Are we going to get the pool fixed?
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 08 2020 06:33 GMT
#572
Aunt Fiona never liked Andrezza.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 08 2020 07:59 GMT
#574
On April 08 2020 15:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2020 15:33 Chezinu wrote:
Aunt Fiona never liked Andrezza.


Going to bed but this was one of the reasons why I asked rayn if he’s also playing the lore. If we were, technically Fiona and Andrezza couldn’t be a team.


Lucca Gallo here. The evil spirits are real! Look what I found written in Andrezza's diary!


I do not believe that our bodily disdain for one another would hinder them from using us in unity. What if our hatred for one another stems not only from ourselves, but can be encouraged or generated by these outer dimensional beings? What if they want us to hate one another for their own desires?

Some have said that these beings leech on us as parasites. But what if we are the parasites in their world and they just enter ours to control the ripples of destruction emitted by our essence? What better way to eliminate the ripples than to have the sources destroy one another?

I must continue to look into this. How can I harm my family if I isolate myself? I will continue to research this dimensional interference. I spoke with Uncle Antonio about this. He believes in the spirits and stated that he has been isolating himself. He spends in nights researching the other dimensions on his dual screen computer while playing video games. He said on the dark web that this coronavirus could have entered our world through a nanosized wormhole created by these outer beings. I am not to sure about this. While Antonio searches the internet for the latest information, I will dive in the books of the past, for if these beings are interfering now, surely they have in the past. I have a better grasp of the past than the present.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 09 2020 05:42 GMT
#596
Mom,

Why didn't you support my videos?
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 09 2020 08:24 GMT
#597
BREAKING NEWS!!



WE MUST DEFEND OUR OLIVE TREES!!!!! Men possessed by evil spirits are ravaging the groves of our neighbors!!

This could have been us!!!!! We must protect our land!!

Arm yourselves!!! *grabs knife*

Let's this ritual over quickly and go on the offensive. Let's conquer the enemy in our neighbor's land before they have a chance to reach our trees!!!

Source:
https://voiceofeurope.com/2020/04/greece-angry-moria-migrants-chop-down-5000-olive-trees-on-lesbos/
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 09 2020 08:35 GMT
#598


The Olive Tree must always be here!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 09 2020 08:40 GMT
#599
My the souls of the olive trees dwell in me. Your oil fills my veins! We shall revenge thee!!!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 10 2020 23:21 GMT
#666
On April 07 2020 01:59 Jockmcplop wrote:
trfel help

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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 10 2020 23:33 GMT
#667
Jock makes a great case against Hapa
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 11 2020 08:07 GMT
#668
I just want to say Jock did a wonderful job speaking to everyone in this game equally including his mafia buddy.

Hapa...Hapa...Hapa....

You said you knew that my heart <3's the other players on this forum. Remember who I am. You know in your heart that my heart <3's you. You argued to keep me alive. You defended my honor to now turn on me? I believe not. Your heart should keep me alive. Jock said you were playing for self-preservation. You choose to assume that I was the inactive one who forgot to send in night kills instead of Mr. Truffles who was also pretty inactive in the thread.

I was assuming Shock was just bad town from his play last game. I still <3 you Shock. He claimed to watch my video when it was apparent he didn't fully read the thread. Oh, Mr. Truffles inquired of my reads where Shock did not. Mr. Truffles did not watch my videos. He said I was intelligent. . . Genuine? Or flattery?

I had doubts that BC was mafia, this the late vote. I hope for information from the night kill, but they killed a townie town. BC even tool note how it seemed rayn and I understood each other as if we recently shared a mind. It's amazing how much you can learn from a player when you know they are town from the beginning. To play with them and trust they are telling you the truth. You learn to understand.

If Vivax was here, he could attest to my tells. I have a secret weapon of claiming townie. That a few vets have learned. So, I will use this now.

I am town.



Insta confirmed. For over ten years Chezinu has played mafia and never once as mafia has he said he was town.

Phew.. the battery in my phone lost power but it saved this text before shutting off. I <3 the engineers and computer scientists that made this happen.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 11 2020 08:32 GMT
#670
[image loading]


But I'm not tired... I'm in quarantine and it is only 3:31 AM here...

Good night Mr. Truffle.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 11 2020 20:33 GMT
#672
Rels is alive!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 11 2020 20:34 GMT
#673
BloodyC0bbler too!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 12 2020 03:42 GMT
#674
Jesus is alive!

+ Show Spoiler +
It's Easter!+ Show Spoiler +
I know it is kind of a pagan holiday, but Passover was Wednesday!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 12 2020 04:18 GMT
#675
GG Mafia, Hapa wins.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 12 2020 07:05 GMT
#677
Yay! I live a little longer with a chance of dying after nightfall .. unless they let me join them... muhahaha!

Will Lucca Gallo live on to troll the internet or will this be his end?
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 12 2020 07:09 GMT
#678
On April 12 2020 15:20 Trfel wrote:
You know what, I've changed my mind, I'm voting for ShoCkeyy.

For all of the resistance to give reads and the confidence to play his own style, there are simply too many contradictions to ignore.

He had reads. Then he said he wouldn't have reads until the night kill or the day 2 lynch. Then when pressured he produced reads. Huh? Makes no sense.

After the day 1 lynch, two of his top townreads (Chezinu and BloodyC0bbler) became his lynch pile. I don't know why, it seems like he was just following thread sentiment (especially on BloodyC0bbler), making up scumreads.

I could babble forever about ShoCkeyy's filter and play, but it feels really motivated by what's happening in the thread, motivated by pressure. Not coming from a town player who is actually trying to figure things out. And that makes me think he is mafia.

Yes, mafia didn't night kill. Yes, Chezinu didn't post at all night 2. But ShoCkeyy's only night 2 posts were very early into night 2. It's quite possible that ShoCkeyy is mafia and didn't submit a night kill and then didn't come back for a while and it was randomized for him. On the lack of night kill alone, it does point to Chezinu more, but I definitely think ShoCkeyy is still a possibility.

I could see it going either way honestly Not very confident this game. It's entirely my bad for laziness/lack of activity/struggling to read these last few players. But right now I am more confident in ShoCkeyy being mafia than I am in Chezinu being mafia.

Will try to be back before the deadline tomorrow to talk about it and/or change votes if needed.


What about Hapa? He defended me and said that my heart <3's people and make them laugh. Then today... he turned on me as if I bussed Jock... If I were to bus, Jock would have volunteered. The question is... did Jock volunteer or did Hapa lynch Jock out of self-preservation?
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 12 2020 07:47 GMT
#683
On April 12 2020 16:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I’ll be around for a few more minutes before placing a placeholder vote till morning, cause I definitely want to talk this out.

Save yourself ShoCkeyy!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 12 2020 07:49 GMT
#684
Mr. Truffles or Hapa?

Ooooo

How about you rank us one to three! Who us most scummy?
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 12 2020 07:51 GMT
#686
We know only one of us is mafia. So if we all create a list like this:

1. Hapa
2. Mr. Truffles
3. Shocking

We can use mathematics and statistics to find the answer. As easy as counting all the jelly beans in a jar.

Hmm.. maybe this should be my Day 1 ploy...
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 12 2020 07:53 GMT
#687
But we aren't all independent observers..

We influence each other..
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 12 2020 07:54 GMT
#688
What if Mr. Truffles double rolled mafia..?
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 12 2020 08:01 GMT
#691
On April 06 2020 01:39 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Jock

Show nested quote +
On April 05 2020 22:42 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 22:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 05 2020 22:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
You can do better than that rayn lol.

Ask yourself this, what purpose does me voting for rels or hap serve town right now?

I really don't want to have explain every little thing.

I asked and i got a conclusion of "why would you vote for outside of your top 2 scumreads in a game where there is 2 scum?". Doesnt really matter who plays or who is playing or not.


That's an absolutely terrible conclusion to come to.

It would make sense ONLY if you believe that the only reason to vote for someone is to kill them.


"Pressure votes" are certainly valid. Why does town-Jock not want to pressure his top scumread ("mafia-hapa") with a vote? Why does town-Jock not want to pressure Rels? How did you arrive at Shockey vs. the other candidates?

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On April 05 2020 21:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
So far my town reads are vivax and bloody and I also wouldn't lynch rayn, or probably chez.

Vivax I already explained, he just has that spark when he's trying to solve, and you can see it here. This is a meta read though so its always a chance that this is the game where scum Vivax changes his meta. He's probably town though.

Bloody keeps saying things that I'm thinking and although that's fakeable so early in the game, I find it far more likely that he sees the game similarly to me because he's town.

I wouldn't lynch rayn here because he *seems* townie, but historically I can't read rayn for shit so I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt really. I'll filter him in a minute and see if anything jumps out. I like the long post alot.

Chez I wouldn't lynch also because I can't read him. He's very entertaining though so best keep him alive.

Everyone else can die until we find scum, probably in the following order, scummiest first:

haphauli - Not really much to say other than I agree with bloody and rayn but he needs to come and be town or he gets lynched.

Rels Nothing.

Shockeyy Need to see more from shockeyy but he seems a bit too laid back if you know what i mean. Almost like he can't be bothered. Said he wants to have more interactions with other people so I want to see what happens if he does.

Trfel I have explained. He responded okay to pressure but I still think his case on rayn was poor and he pulled out the 'trying to get people talking' line that mafia loves. I'm trying to avoid tunnelling on him though because I've done that before when he was town.

So yeah my two biggest scumreads have barely posted. I guess that shows where I am in this game at the moment.


In addition, the "order of scumminess" itself leads to some extra questions about your vote on Shockey. Given this list, Rels is #2. It is literally impossible to tell anything about Rels' alignment given zero posting. Rels is null in the purest sense of it. This would imply that Shockeyy and Trefel are slightly above-null, but you chose to place a vote on Shockeyy anyway.


Interesting lynch order by Jock that he was didnt follow at first.

There is one mafia in there. Jock accused his scum buddy.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 12 2020 08:06 GMT
#692
On April 06 2020 00:47 Hapahauli wrote:
Thoughts after a deep read:

Vivax and Trefel come across as strongly town.

Vivax is adequately paranoid with a "dash" of dickish-ness.
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On April 05 2020 18:54 Vivax wrote:
This is going to be a hard game, too much scummy stuff from too many people that can't all be mafia.


There is a certain "earnestness" about Trefel's posting that's very consistent with a town-Trefel mindset.
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On April 05 2020 15:16 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 15:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On April 05 2020 15:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 14:37 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
Wow does everyone see something off with rayn?

I don't see it.


On April 05 2020 13:39 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:29 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:24 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 12:22 Jockmcplop wrote:
[quote]

INITIATE DISLIKE PILE.
Care to explain why?

@Vivax, you too?

It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious.

Why does that make me more likely mafia? I think all players, regardless of alignment, are more sensitive to people's opinions of them.



Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure.

I don't think all players play like that at all.

A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made).

So the two assumptions you had made were:

1: I think you are mafia
2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else)

Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players.


Trfel from his last game seems new and curious. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.


I wasn't watching the last game.
He's very different already?


Depends on what your definition of different is. He was mafia last game hah. It’s hard to know, but he does seem similar. I’ll give him a second look.
Wait a second, I'm confused. By "new and curious," (see nested quote) are you characterizing my play this game, or are you characterizing my play last game/overall?
Side note, I really want to be suspicious of Jockmcplop, his wording and logic just feel so off, but I can't put my finger on it or articulate why So I'll let it drop. I reserve the right to be suspicious of him later though


The bolded especially. For a player like Trefel, the tone and transparency of this are spot-on with what a townie would be feeling in this particular spot. I think this is very hard to fake.



Jock remains a scumread. I've already posted my rationale, but I'll elaborate on it in the next post.

BloodyCobbler is also a scumread.

Regarding BC, the gist of it is that I have a hard time justifying how he arrived at his initial readlist.
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On April 05 2020 15:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Town
Bloodyc0bbler

Leaning town
Shockeyy
Jockmcplop

Null
Chezinu
Rayn
Rels

Lean scum
Vivax

Scum
Trfel
Hapa


His scumreads are not inherently mafia-motivated. Very, very wrong, but not distinguishable between wrong-town and malevolent-mafia. BC is clearly reading and interpreting the thread on a "how much are you posting vs. what are you contributing" mindset.

Regarding Me:
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On April 05 2020 15:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
His posts scream posting for sake of posting. Asking questions is great, but only if followed by content. I dont like what ive seen thus far.

Interesting question though ;p


Regarding Trefel:
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On April 05 2020 19:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
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On April 05 2020 18:53 Vivax wrote:
On April 05 2020 18:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 05 2020 18:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 05 2020 15:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 15:07 Trfel wrote:
On phone and in bed, so not going to quote you Jockmcplop, hope that's okay.

I don't care about Vivax townreading me because I don't care too much about townreads in general (especially at this stage in the game) and I thought I knew why he was townreading me (since he later explained why, it turns out I was only partially correct, ah well).

I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post so let me know if I missed something. But it seems that a key point is my "case's" first point on raynpelikoneet. It's not that he has an implied read that is suspicious, it's that the implied/joke read changes. Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise. Raynpelikoneet's posts don't fit in either mindset.

That said, if I'm being honest, it's not a strong point at all and we all know this. I'm saying it's the most suspicious thing at that point in the game. Why'd I bring it up then, so people like you have something to talk about! I'd say it worked perfectly


hmm...

i quite like this logic even if I don't agree.


This is the post that made me change my mind. There are many many ways to attack this post in case Jock wants to do that, especially since i don't do any of what Trfel says here. Furthermore even if i did, it's no way of comparing that narrative to my early posting because i posted a joke and a bait to you. No reads lol.


TBH the post jock quoted here (especially the bolded part) is a reason i have a scum read on trfel atm.



Why does the bolded part make Trfel mafia?


What does it add to the thread? How is it helping us progress towards catching someone who is scum? What point does explaining how the game should be played, in relation to a player whos playstyle is a known quantity, to justify a hard stance read this early in the game?

Like, I havent played seriously for years, but what he posted is shit mafia have done for ages to try and blend in. Talking about how one should or shouldn't play makes you look like you are providing useful content when its instead just fluff.
If you take into consideration how hard he also was defending himself / reacting to general suspicion so early into the game gives me the read I have.


Regarding Vivax:
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On April 05 2020 18:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
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On April 05 2020 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
BC i don't really think there is much chance of Vivax being mafia.


Its why I have him as a scum lean. Play I dislike / view as bad (not saying it is the wrong way to play just that i dont like it) makes me lower you down until you do something that stands out. I am merely waiting for it. He has been more active since my original read, but he still needs to give real content to the thread.



These three reads have a common theme: all of us are posting, but not "contributing content", trying to BS our way into inflating our post counts.

Given BC's emphasis, it is extremely hard for me to understand how town-BC turns around and slight town-reads Shockeyy, who up until this point in the game has posted over 10 times, yet only contributed a "benefit of the doubt" read on Trefel:

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On April 05 2020 14:37 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
Wow does everyone see something off with rayn?

I don't see it.


On April 05 2020 13:39 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:29 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:24 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 12:22 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 10:22 Trfel wrote:
So I think the most suspicious person so far is raynpelikoneet.
Implies that I am mafia one post, implies that I am town later
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On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive.
Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements.


INITIATE DISLIKE PILE.
Care to explain why?

@Vivax, you too?

It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious.

Why does that make me more likely mafia? I think all players, regardless of alignment, are more sensitive to people's opinions of them.



Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure.

I don't think all players play like that at all.

A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made).

So the two assumptions you had made were:

1: I think you are mafia
2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else)

Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players.


Trfel from his last game seems new and curious. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.


The dissonance between what he is stating to be his emphasis in his scumreads vs. how he is reading Shockey shows his mafia mindset here.


Mr. Truffles hammered pretty heavily here.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 12 2020 08:12 GMT
#693
Why rayn? I trusted him.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 12 2020 21:07 GMT
#732
On April 13 2020 06:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Thanks for letting me play. Been awhile since I have. May not have gone the way I would have liked for myself but the game itself was still fun. Also impressed with how fast it filled.

You were the last one to egg me for more videos.

Lucca Gallo is alive now because of his mother.


Thanks for hosting GB! Let me know if you need me to make a bank of private Lucca Gallo videos for next game. This way someone else can play the character. Unless, you want me to be on call and cohost the unrevealed character in Day and night posts.. unless Lucca isnt blue yet and the spirits attack the Citadel. .
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
April 13 2020 06:28 GMT
#737
GUYS GUYS!!!!

THE DEMOONS ARE HERES!!!!



self-proclaimed occultist and well-known Satanist, Marina Abramović is working with the VR!!!
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