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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 06 2020 12:11 GMT
#265
Actually it might be better to vote Rels over ShoCkeyy.

If Rels is town, his modkill costs us a lynch. If we mislynch and Rels is modkilled, it's 4v2 MYLO which is far from ideal.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 06 2020 16:56 GMT
#327
Am here but am sleepy...
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 06 2020 17:02 GMT
#339
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 06 2020 19:29 GMT
#370
@Hapahauli: Why didn't you care who got lynched between you and Jockmcplop?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 06 2020 19:40 GMT
#374
Fair enough, thanks for explaining.

@Raynpelikoneet: I know this is slightly WIFOM, but if Hapahauli is mafia and double bussed with Jockmcplop, why did he go into the deadline openly saying he doesn't care about the lynch? That seems really dumb to me.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 06 2020 21:33 GMT
#381
BloodyC0bbler, I'm really confused as to why that makes Hapahauli mafia. If Hapahauli is mafia and doing a double-bus with Jockmcplop, why would he so openly say he didn't care who was lynched instead of continuing to push Jockmcplop? That seems like a really stupid play to me, basically anyone would avoid doing that as mafia. It's one thing if it merely seemed like he didn't care, but openly saying it has no mafia motivation/doesn't fit a mafia mindset.

Same with Hapahauli saying he is tempted to lynch a townread before a scumread. He's obviously not actually going to do that, so why does him saying that make him mafia?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 06 2020 21:50 GMT
#386
I like those Hapahauli posts, the reasoning makes sense, and the results are the same as what I was thinking.

I do want to check on Jockmcplop's read on BloodyC0bbler, where he said it checks out and keeps him at town lean. Does it really check out? Note to self.

Also BloodyC0bbler's read on ShoCkeyy. Hapahauli made some really good points on this, where BloodyC0bbler said he read ShoCkeyy as town partially because some of his scumreads were reading ShoCkeyy as mafia. But that's actually not true at all. This point was kinda forgotten but I think it's worth bringing back up.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 06 2020 21:55 GMT
#388
BloodyC0bbler, thanks for answering. I'll take some time and think about it.

ShoCkeyy, thanks for answering too. For the record, my "case" on raynpelikoneet was pretty weak, and I don't think it's worth revisiting. Just to make sure, you are saying Hapahauli is town and BloodyC0bbler and Chezinu are null? Or the reverse?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 07 2020 01:31 GMT
#429
On April 05 2020 04:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
hmm, im having some intuitions that say "watch the trfel person, or that shockeyy" the entrance they made hasn't been good enough.

Also glad to see you still play exactly as my brain remembers you Vivax. Fast and loose. Like I was at 17 apparently.
So my memory is correct. BloodyC0bbler himself was suspicious of ShoCkeyy's entrance to the thread. Jockmcplop, BloodyC0bbler's townread at the time, was too.

This makes BloodyC0bbler's townread on ShoCkeyy early on even harder to understand.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 07 2020 01:36 GMT
#430
I'm dumb, that's what you guys were talking about with the whole jarring thing. But on my phone I can't seem to find the conversation.

Just thinking out loud, which given the low number of posts in the thread is fine I believe.

Curious if anyone knows when Jockmcplop realized he was going to be lynched. I want to look at Jockmcplop's filter to try and get any hints to if there was an intentional bus play or not.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 07 2020 01:54 GMT
#434
@BloodyC0bbler: Why did you townread ShoCkeyy early Day 1?

I know you already answered it here:
On April 06 2020 05:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
The how is purely I didnt find his entrance as jarring mixed with people i had scum reads focusing him.
But to me, that doesn't make any sense. Given that you said that you didn't like his entrance:
On April 05 2020 04:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
hmm, im having some intuitions that say "watch the trfel person, or that shockeyy" the entrance they made hasn't been good enough.
and your scumreads (Vivax, Hapahauli, and me) weren't focusing him at all. I looked at player filters to confirm this. I asked ShoCkeyy a few questions, but said my read on him was "exactly null." Vivax had ShoCkeyy had top scum for about 20 minutes, and quickly jumped away to focus on Jockmcplop. Hapahauli barely mentioned ShoCkeyy and didn't suggest he was mafia in the slightest.

So how did you arrive at this read? Because to me it doesn't add up.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 07 2020 02:08 GMT
#438
Also followed up on Jockmcplop's continued townread on BloodyC0bbler, here:
On April 06 2020 23:33 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2020 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He said Vivax wasn't explaining his reads until he did, and his position changed on the list after that.

Yeah that checks out.

BC still a townread for me then.
Does that really make sense?

Here's a look at some of Vivax's posts before BloodyC0bbler's first read list. The "unexplained reads." (pre post 120)
+ Show Spoiler [Vivax's posts at first] +
On April 05 2020 12:44 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2020 10:22 Trfel wrote:
So I think the most suspicious person so far is raynpelikoneet.
  • Implies that I am mafia one post, implies that I am town later
    + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
    On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
    On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive.
    Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements.

  • More focused on flavor than gameplay
    + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
    This:
    On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Shockeyy feels weird.
    is raynpelikoneet's only post with actual mafia gameplay. Frivolous posts at this stage in the game are understandable, however even after this raynpelikoneet continues to talk about flavor. He didn't explain why ShoCkeyy's post felt weird to him, or try to ask ShoCkeyy any followup questions.

  • Said he'd be back in 1-2 hours, didn't return
    + Show Spoiler +
    On April 05 2020 04:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On April 05 2020 04:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
    On April 05 2020 04:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    On April 05 2020 04:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
    On April 05 2020 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    I am in search for my wife. If you married this super handsome Luca guy just tell me and i will give you immunity for day 1. I am happy to murder our kids though.


    Lucca Baby. I dont know if its love or the quarantine talking, but I like the cut of your olives.

    Holy Italy is it you my love? :D


    Of course my Dear. You filled me with a kid then made me fall in love with you because of the farm. Its not stockholm, its the real deal.

    I should have known it of course. You cannot be possessed with those dark souls, no dark sould would crash my head against a pan repeatedly like you. That being said i am gonna have some dinner snacks and watch a movie with my other missus so i will be back in an hour or two.
    Clearly, raynpellikoneet lied here. This is in dramatic contrast with the boredom and interest in playing the game he was trying to show earlier on.
Have fun!


You are probably town for this.
I also think you are right on rayn but not for those reasons.,
On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote:
Shockeyy do you have any scumreads or leads?
Feels like you are just coexisting.

Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory.

I kinda understand where BloodyC0bbler is coming from to put Vivax at a scum lean at this point. He explained his townread on me (Trfel), and said he is suspicious of raynpelikoneet, and implied that he is suspicious of ShoCkeyy. But there were no reasons given for the last two.

And how did Vivax's posts change by BloodyC0bbler's updated read list? (post 121-225)
+ Show Spoiler [Vivax's posts later] +
On April 05 2020 15:55 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2020 15:06 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote:
Shockeyy do you have any scumreads or leads?
Feels like you are just coexisting.

Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory.


Just curious why do you think Trfel is town here? Do you have anything on anybody else yourself?


It's funny you quote a post where I explain why and ask for the why.
There is enough content in the game already to form opinions, but you don't have any reads and want more content.

I don't know if you're just that confused and lazy at reading or just mafia.
On April 05 2020 17:20 Vivax wrote:
Rayn, Shockeyy is probably scum.
Also where Hapa seemed to intend to go with his posting.
On April 05 2020 17:40 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2020 17:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like.... why is he mafia? I don't understand?


He's just posting along and not poking anywhere. Though I'm doubting the read a little because he just seems super carefree.

Warming up for a Jock vote instead on a reread, tell me what you think?

I think him going after Trfel here feels a bit like he was trying to echo some sentiment (from BC but also me at the start) so it seems kind of opportunistic and he's way too focused on just talking it out with him instead of explaining what makes Trfel scum besides the post where he said he was overdefensive.
On April 05 2020 18:15 Vivax wrote:
Fair enough, could use more Hapa in here anyway.
But I still don't think the way Jock went after Trfel was townie.

On April 05 2020 18:56 Vivax wrote:
BC in this case seems to just take positions beforehand and then attach whatever reasoning he can muster to justify them, posthum.
Also scummy af.
On April 05 2020 19:11 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2020 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well that's not true tbh.


How so.

First thing he did was post a list. Then afterwards came any explanation for those reads. Also it bugs me massively what he writes about me.

Show nested quote +
On April 05 2020 18:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 05 2020 17:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 15:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:

Lean scum
Vivax



I am confused.


On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote:
Shockeyy do you have any scumreads or leads?
Feels like you are just coexisting.

Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory.


That is basically the easiest thing hes posted that I went "wtf" on. Also, he didnt answer a question I posted a few pages ago and has been "active' while not actively pushing much. Outside of basically Trfe and rayn, Vivax has no real reads/leanings on peoples alignment. Or at least ones hes posted. Meanwhile he called someone out for almost identical behaviour


I mean sure, he doesn't understand how I read Trfel. Which is just that in the last game, he was posting 'analysis' on tons of people without seeming to have an actual opinion. While also seeming awkward and appeasing.
That can be forgiven because I kept it short.

But saying I have no reads or leans or claiming that not answering his question when it's obvious at what I'm looking at which answers it, is just false. I scumlean shockey, rayn, Jock. I townread Trfel and made all of those clear.

But I have to admit chances are this is just bad town play. Depends really on how much he is willing to backtrack and admit it was just factually wrong.
(and a few more but you get the idea)

Admittedly, it seems like a reasonable change. I still struggle a little to see the initial read but if you accept the initial read, the reasons for the read to change do make sense.

I'll probably be out for a bit. That or looking at Jockmcplop's filter some more.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 07 2020 02:14 GMT
#440
Thanks for the analysis Hapahauli. That makes sense to me. I guess given the circumstances it's not super meaningful I was hoping to see how other people's interactions changed around the time it seems like Jockmcplop gave up (like, if people went harder to push him then, it's more likely they were bussing, etc). But given that my biggest scumread, BloodyC0bbler, wasn't around at all during that time anyway, there's probably not too much to be learned from it.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 07 2020 06:10 GMT
#458
Vivax, why does BloodyC0bbler look townier now?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 08 2020 05:15 GMT
#567
Sorry, I'm not mafia, as much as you'd like me to be.

I still think it's BloodyC0bbler, I'll re-evaluate more tomorrow. Kinda lazy currently after getting mafia day 1.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 09 2020 04:29 GMT
#595
I know I haven't posted much, just feels like nothing has changed. Really hope BloodyC0bbler is mafia, otherwise things will likely get rough in MYLO. I'll see if I can re-evaluate briefly but idk if anything will change.

Let me know if anyone wants to talk about anything.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 09 2020 16:58 GMT
#601
Please be mafia?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 09 2020 17:01 GMT
#607
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 09 2020 17:15 GMT
#608
So the remaining players are ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, Chezinu, and Hapahauli.

I feel like raynpelikoneet and Hapahauli are town. Raynpelikoneet because of not bussing Jocmcplop and his tinfoil scumread of me, feels really genuine. Hapahauli because he was the other Day 1 wagon and he's beeen doing a ton of quality analysis. However I know that raynpelikoneet is very strong as mafia and I can only assume Hapahauli is as well, I will try and read their filters and make sure.

Chezinu and ShoCkeyy I both feel like are town? But I don't have a ton of reasoning for why. Chezinu because of meta (I don't like his lack of reads this game, but I know he sometimes does this as town too), but moreso because of his vote on Jockmcplop Day 1. That said I could definitely see him being mafia, I just don't know how to read him and how to see if he is indeed mafia. So it feels like a shot in the dark.

ShoCkeyy I kinda forget about honestly. At a glance he feels similar to last game, where he was town. There have been some things that I don't really like about his play, specifically lack of reads/commitment to things, but I'm not rally sure if that makes him mafia or not

I still need to watch most of Chezinu's videos. But if those aren't too helpful I'll probably focus on reading ShoCkeyy and going from there. And of course re-evaluating the other two (maybe after the night kill).
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 09 2020 17:23 GMT
#611
On April 10 2020 02:18 Hapahauli wrote:
I don't see an option other than Shockey.

Rayn, talk to me about your Trfel read when you get the chance.
Purely because of Chezinu's vote on Jockmcplop?

Maybe I'm tinfoiling too much, but the more I think about it, the more I think I could see it coming from mafia. Still a useful point but yeah, Chezinu is so unpredictable...
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