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On April 07 2020 01:07 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2020 01:06 ShoCkeyy wrote: I haven't caught up with the thread yet, but as I'm reading it, is there a few reasons why we're voting Jock over Hapa?
To me it seems that Hapa is really skirting by while Jock has been playing the game and responding, to me that seems like town more than anything.
Anyways back to reading. Hapa isn't skirting by, he's just surgical with his posts. You were skirting by. This is probably the first opinion on something I see you giving.
Two of his posts were reasonably done well, yes? But that's normal in mafia... He has 1 page of filter vs Jocks 3 pages of literally answering everybody...
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On April 06 2020 14:58 Trfel wrote:Notes+ Show Spoiler +ShoCkeyySeems very interested in how towny he looks. Feels suspicious, but maybe this is just how he plays. Check meta as town to confirm or deny this. Note: checked meta from last game, didn't see any similar statements but I'm still not very confident in this reason to suspect ShoCkeyy. Interested to see where he goes from here. BloodyC0bblerWhy does he say I am overly defensive here? I only tried to understand Jockmcplop's read, not disagree. However Jockmcplop also thought this way, so perhaps it's more up to interpretation than I thought. JockmcplopSomething still feels wrong about our conversation yesterday but it's probably just me making something out of nothing. I can't confidently say why it was off, and if Jockmcplop is mafia, there should be better reasons why. On April 05 2020 21:15 Jockmcplop wrote: So far my town reads are vivax and bloody and I also wouldn't lynch rayn, or probably chez.
Vivax I already explained, he just has that spark when he's trying to solve, and you can see it here. This is a meta read though so its always a chance that this is the game where scum Vivax changes his meta. He's probably town though.
Bloody keeps saying things that I'm thinking and although that's fakeable so early in the game, I find it far more likely that he sees the game similarly to me because he's town.
I wouldn't lynch rayn here because he *seems* townie, but historically I can't read rayn for shit so I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt really. I'll filter him in a minute and see if anything jumps out. I like the long post alot.
Chez I wouldn't lynch also because I can't read him. He's very entertaining though so best keep him alive.
Everyone else can die until we find scum, probably in the following order, scummiest first:
haphauli - Not really much to say other than I agree with bloody and rayn but he needs to come and be town or he gets lynched.
Rels Nothing.
Shockeyy Need to see more from shockeyy but he seems a bit too laid back if you know what i mean. Almost like he can't be bothered. Said he wants to have more interactions with other people so I want to see what happens if he does.
Trfel I have explained. He responded okay to pressure but I still think his case on rayn was poor and he pulled out the 'trying to get people talking' line that mafia loves. I'm trying to avoid tunnelling on him though because I've done that before when he was town.
So yeah my two biggest scumreads have barely posted. I guess that shows where I am in this game at the moment.
Some things feel off to me about this post. First, he says he's not willing to lynch Chezinu because he can't read him, but he is willing to lynch Rels, who has made zero posts. I'd understand this more if he said that the reason was that Chezinu was fun, but he said that the reason was that he couldn't read him. It's a minor detail but it makes me a bit suspicious. I also don't like him suddenly agreeing with the Hapahauli read, he didn't mention it at all earlier and then suddenly agrees after raynpelikoneet makes a big post. Q/AShow nested quote +On April 05 2020 17:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 05 2020 15:07 Trfel wrote: Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise. So how do i approach the game normally? Honestly I've no idea. Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 17:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have just spent time trying to figure out what Shockeyys posting means and i don't really see that. Sure you can be right or then not, but i can't tell if he is mafia or not. I think cobbler is right on Hapa though, i thought about the same thing instantly when i saw Hapa's two first posts. @raynpelikoneet and/or BloodyC0bbler: Can you please help me understand why you are scumreading Hapahauli? You said that it feels like he was just posting to post and wasn't going anywhere with his questions. I don't disagree, however you made these statements when Hapahauli's last post was on the bottom of page 4, giving him only two and a half pages of content to work with. At that time, we were talking about flavor and voting randomly. I just don't get what you expect from Hapahauli this early into the game. @Jockmcplop: What was it in particular that made you suspicious of Hapahauli? @ShoCkeyy: I assume you'll see this while you are catching up on the thread, but if not, just a reminder: Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 15:16 Trfel wrote:On April 05 2020 15:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:On April 05 2020 15:05 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 05 2020 14:37 ShoCkeyy wrote:On April 05 2020 13:55 Jockmcplop wrote:Wow does everyone see something off with rayn? I don't see it. On April 05 2020 13:39 Trfel wrote:On April 05 2020 13:29 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 05 2020 13:24 Trfel wrote:On April 05 2020 12:22 Jockmcplop wrote: [quote]
INITIATE DISLIKE PILE. Care to explain why? @Vivax, you too? It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious. Why does that make me more likely mafia? I think all players, regardless of alignment, are more sensitive to people's opinions of them. Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure. I don't think all players play like that at all. A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made). So the two assumptions you had made were: 1: I think you are mafia 2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else) Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players. Trfel from his last game seems new and curious. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. I wasn't watching the last game. He's very different already? Depends on what your definition of different is. He was mafia last game hah. It’s hard to know, but he does seem similar. I’ll give him a second look. Wait a second, I'm confused. By "new and curious," (see nested quote) are you characterizing my play this game, or are you characterizing my play last game/overall?
I'm characterizing you by your last game into this game. It wasn't anything bad, just trying to reason with you and why you're town.
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On April 07 2020 01:07 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2020 01:06 ShoCkeyy wrote: I haven't caught up with the thread yet, but as I'm reading it, is there a few reasons why we're voting Jock over Hapa?
To me it seems that Hapa is really skirting by while Jock has been playing the game and responding, to me that seems like town more than anything.
Anyways back to reading. Hapa isn't skirting by, he's just surgical with his posts. You were skirting by. This is probably the first opinion on something I see you giving.
Can you post why we should vote Jock over Hapa? Or are you going to continue defending his lack of posting and instant town read on you?
My concern is that every time we vote one of the most active players off the game, it's always turns out as town. Last game we played Sentinel is playing the same way Hap is and he ended up being the roleblocker.
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On April 07 2020 01:18 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2020 01:17 ShoCkeyy wrote:On April 07 2020 01:07 Vivax wrote:On April 07 2020 01:06 ShoCkeyy wrote: I haven't caught up with the thread yet, but as I'm reading it, is there a few reasons why we're voting Jock over Hapa?
To me it seems that Hapa is really skirting by while Jock has been playing the game and responding, to me that seems like town more than anything.
Anyways back to reading. Hapa isn't skirting by, he's just surgical with his posts. You were skirting by. This is probably the first opinion on something I see you giving. Can you post why we should vote Jock over Hapa? Or are you going to continue defending his lack of posting and instant town read on you? My concern is that every time we vote one of the most active players off the game, it's always turns out as town. Last game we played Sentinel is playing the same way Hap is and he ended up being the roleblocker. Dude you said a dozen hours ago you were catching up, now you want to speedrun everything within less than an hour and someone to repeat what has already been said. Turns out you are actually still just F5ing the front page while doing it. Who are your top towns?
Dude I asked for a summary as to why we're voting Jock over Hap. I've ready up to page 12 last night, and had to read the other three pages to catch up this morning. I'm not asking for a speed run, I'm asking for legitimate reasons why I should place my vote on Jock, and from what I've seen, and read, Jock has better reason to be town than mafia at this point.
Hap literally cased Jock right after rayn and yourself said something about Jock. He didn't even try, just grabbed two of his posts and said this is why. Like how is that "surgical"...?
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I just don't understand how hap is a better town than Jock... He literally put BC on his scum read because BC put his list of reads so far... WHO DOES THAT?
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On April 07 2020 01:18 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2020 01:17 ShoCkeyy wrote:On April 07 2020 01:07 Vivax wrote:On April 07 2020 01:06 ShoCkeyy wrote: I haven't caught up with the thread yet, but as I'm reading it, is there a few reasons why we're voting Jock over Hapa?
To me it seems that Hapa is really skirting by while Jock has been playing the game and responding, to me that seems like town more than anything.
Anyways back to reading. Hapa isn't skirting by, he's just surgical with his posts. You were skirting by. This is probably the first opinion on something I see you giving. Can you post why we should vote Jock over Hapa? Or are you going to continue defending his lack of posting and instant town read on you? My concern is that every time we vote one of the most active players off the game, it's always turns out as town. Last game we played Sentinel is playing the same way Hap is and he ended up being the roleblocker. Who are your top towns?
raynpelikoneet Chezinu BloodyC0bbler Trfel
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On April 07 2020 01:32 Vivax wrote: Ok I don't think this game is winnable if we lynch Hapa today.
The mafia are Jock and BC if they aren't one afk + Chez imo. But you can give rayn his lynch and see where it takes the game.
Should we policy lynch instead? If we do lose two town here, it's going to be really really fucking rough. I rather policy lynch rels at this point, and have only one person killed even if it means he's town sadly, than two possible towns creating a very disadvantage town.
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Of course you don't care since two townies is most likely to get lynched. Great job giving yourself up.
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Vivax which Hap feels threatened... Isn't that a tell for you?
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On April 06 2020 22:54 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2020 22:45 Vivax wrote:On April 06 2020 21:00 Jockmcplop wrote: Why do you think hap didn't give a proper read of shockeyy, even though he's an important part of the game given that hap is voting for the person who is voting for him?
He says he sees shockeyy as lynchbait which infers that he townreads him but doesn't go into any more detail than that. I'm not sure if you asked me this, but Shockeyy boils down to whether you believe he's scum doing nothing, or town doing nothing. He deserves to be lynched, sure, but how can anyone have a 'proper' read on him? ehh... maybe I just look at how hap has interacted/referred to shockeyy and it gives me the chills. Hap refusing to answer my question above absolutely sucks and his answer to that would have helped me read him so i'm taking his refusal to answer as a sign that he is mafia.
You never answered Jock, why is that?
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If Jock does flip scum, great job on catching him, I'll re-evaluate my filter diving after.
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On April 07 2020 01:50 Hapahauli wrote: You just called me and Jock town. Why is that?
When did I call you town?
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On April 07 2020 01:51 Vivax wrote:Just look at this and be enlightened. Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 19:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 05 2020 19:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: why did you originally vote for hapa? Straight out RNG'd people who basically hadn't done anything yet. My vote has stayed there because all 3 of his posts since the game started provide literally nothing substance. He also vanished quite quickly. I want to see more for him for sure, especially given the fact the thread is far larger now. Show nested quote +On April 06 2020 04:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Yo Jock, wtf was were those last like 2-3 posts by you.
What happened in your brain that could possibly lead your mind into doing the shit you just did. Must have been some bad shit, but. Show nested quote +On April 06 2020 05:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The how is purely I didnt find his entrance as jarring mixed with people i had scum reads focusing him.
ATM id drop him down to Rels / Chez territory of null read.
Here I will update my lists for you
Town Bloodyc0bbler
Lean Town Rayn Vivax
Null Rels Shockeyy Chezinu
Lean scum Jock trfel
Scum Hapa
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There is a world (with how you are currently being active) where I could see my read on you being wrong. So please keep up the posting =)
People have bad games all the time. Especially D1, that's how GlowingBear gets voted out as a blue everytime...
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On April 07 2020 01:53 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2020 01:44 ShoCkeyy wrote: Of course you don't care since two townies is most likely to get lynched. Great job giving yourself up. No no no no you don't get to run away from this. How does any of this make any fucking sense. Mafia-hapa is giving himself up because he and Jock are town?
I'm considering Rels is possible town here... lol wtf are you smoking?
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WE JUST TALKED ABOUT POLICY LYNCHING RELS AND YOU GOT UPSET THAT IT WASN'T JOCK... You're just giving yourself up even further...
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On April 07 2020 01:56 Hapahauli wrote: Oh oh carry on. We both misread each other.
I said I had a strong preference against lynching Rels, and that the lynch should be between myself and Jock.
Yea and I countered with of course you do because then that means two possible townies are getting lynched... Vivax please. It's the most obvious tell.
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Well well well, I'm happy with that, one town, one mafia member. I think I'll start changing my filter diving habits then. Hap did not seem very good town at all. Ughh, I'll need to really reevaluate who my reads are, but this puts Hap on my town list.
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On April 07 2020 02:55 Chezinu wrote: Consequences
Of?
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You barely have spoken, what am I going to do? Last game you did the same thing... So I'm just going with my gut for the meantime.
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On April 07 2020 03:31 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2020 02:05 ShoCkeyy wrote: Well well well, I'm happy with that, one town, one mafia member. I think I'll start changing my filter diving habits then. Hap did not seem very good town at all. Ughh, I'll need to really reevaluate who my reads are, but this puts Hap on my town list. You said you had filter diving habits, yet you did not listen to me.
I did, and I have a ton of points to make on it, such as hope you washed your hands after that workout. Also you're the only family member I know who cooked steak in an oven while trying to promote our families olive oil for subscribes.
Why the eff did you turn on the left stove top to do nothing with it? And you're using the microwave as a timer lmao, wtf man. wtf so many questions, might be the Ricci powder.
Side note: send some snort-able protein powder over here.
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