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No based off rayn's trfel does the same thing as Shapelog but kelsier only calls out trfel.
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But that's distracting from the point that it's much more likely rayn is mafia.
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On June 25 2019 17:16 Grackaroni wrote:
Meh now I have to awkwardly backtrack because you made a good post.
This part is especially true:
"Great Kelsier post? No, not really, it's wishy washy and says absolutely nothing about BOTH eversince and Trfel. Classically mafia post"
And I don't think there's reason to think that Kelsier would be more likely to jump on my bandwagon than attack a bandwagoner.
As for the Rayn Shapelog case, I'd note that there were 2-3 people that said they agree with Rayn's Shapelog case when it was pretty incomprehensible. I think those people are more likely mafia than Rayn who probably believes the case that he's pushing. Plus I'm annoyed because I think I gave much clearer points for why Shapelog could be mafia.
You're still a baddie for voting me though when I'm obv town -- even in the case where Rayn is mafia.
Who are these people?
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On June 25 2019 20:38 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 17:54 Grackaroni wrote:On June 25 2019 17:31 Holyflare wrote:
If shapelog is mafia, it's with kelsier. In the case where Shapelog is not mafia, I see a very plausible team of Pandain/Eversince/Eywa. I think Pandain has been under-contributing from his town meta so far but I have no idea why Eversince is scum reading him in this post. You literally just claimed Pandain is "under-contributing from his town meta" and useless just means mafia to me right now.On June 25 2019 11:02 Eversince wrote:
Ok, Trtfel is ok! Shapelog case by Rayn seemed good to me. Holyflare being disconnected is completely annoying but he is confirmed. Grack is usual. Pandain is best lynch 2019. Jock is ok.
I still think Kels feels off. Better but off. Slam has been totes useless. Ewya still is fishy to me.
So Pandain, Shapelog, Ewya. Thought? She(?) yes also seems to think that being afk is standard behavior for Pandain, and me (though I really haven't played with her very much and don't think I'm an overly afk player.), so why is Pandain best lynch 2019? Last games I've played with Pandain he has been mostly mia. Same for you. But I know both are capable of putting content in such as you have picked up doing later day1! Pandains lack is highly questionable to me.On June 24 2019 17:21 Eversince wrote:On June 24 2019 17:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 24 2019 17:12 Eversince wrote:
Whats the rest of your reads? I don't have any really. No-one looks particuarly town to me. Maybe trfel. Every read I have seen so far is a shot in the dark so I'm not going to join in on that action because its pointless right now. Eywa's quicklynch post makes very little sense tbh, but not in a way that makes me think scum. I'd like some kind of explanation though because that's just weird. Eywa's quicklynch makes no sense to me.. Grack is usual mia, Pandain is usual mia, Rayn knows me far to well. What about everyone else? We have 1 day left. I will get off and sleep. We need to think about a lynch. Then I noticed this post: On June 24 2019 10:40 Eywa- wrote:
I'm good with quicklynching Pandain or Eversince I'm sick of formatting. Ewya's randomly tossing out "lynch ES or Pandain" makes no sense. I asked about it and got no answer. What world do we live in where the entire mafia team buses day 1 for no reason though? I don't agree with HF Rayn points though. I think they are valid. Why I agreed with his case. I think they are worth considering but I don't see it as mafia agenda. More t!Rayn trying to assert himself. I could be wrong on that though ;P. Time will tell!
What are my rayn points?
Can you just briefly bullet point them so I know we're on the same page?
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On June 25 2019 21:04 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 20:58 Holyflare wrote:On June 25 2019 20:38 Eversince wrote:On June 25 2019 17:54 Grackaroni wrote:On June 25 2019 17:31 Holyflare wrote:
If shapelog is mafia, it's with kelsier. In the case where Shapelog is not mafia, I see a very plausible team of Pandain/Eversince/Eywa. I think Pandain has been under-contributing from his town meta so far but I have no idea why Eversince is scum reading him in this post. You literally just claimed Pandain is "under-contributing from his town meta" and useless just means mafia to me right now.On June 25 2019 11:02 Eversince wrote:
Ok, Trtfel is ok! Shapelog case by Rayn seemed good to me. Holyflare being disconnected is completely annoying but he is confirmed. Grack is usual. Pandain is best lynch 2019. Jock is ok.
I still think Kels feels off. Better but off. Slam has been totes useless. Ewya still is fishy to me.
So Pandain, Shapelog, Ewya. Thought? She(?) yes also seems to think that being afk is standard behavior for Pandain, and me (though I really haven't played with her very much and don't think I'm an overly afk player.), so why is Pandain best lynch 2019? Last games I've played with Pandain he has been mostly mia. Same for you. But I know both are capable of putting content in such as you have picked up doing later day1! Pandains lack is highly questionable to me.On June 24 2019 17:21 Eversince wrote:On June 24 2019 17:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 24 2019 17:12 Eversince wrote:
Whats the rest of your reads? I don't have any really. No-one looks particuarly town to me. Maybe trfel. Every read I have seen so far is a shot in the dark so I'm not going to join in on that action because its pointless right now. Eywa's quicklynch post makes very little sense tbh, but not in a way that makes me think scum. I'd like some kind of explanation though because that's just weird. Eywa's quicklynch makes no sense to me.. Grack is usual mia, Pandain is usual mia, Rayn knows me far to well. What about everyone else? We have 1 day left. I will get off and sleep. We need to think about a lynch. Then I noticed this post: On June 24 2019 10:40 Eywa- wrote:
I'm good with quicklynching Pandain or Eversince I'm sick of formatting. Ewya's randomly tossing out "lynch ES or Pandain" makes no sense. I asked about it and got no answer. What world do we live in where the entire mafia team buses day 1 for no reason though? I don't agree with HF Rayn points though. I think they are valid. Why I agreed with his case. I think they are worth considering but I don't see it as mafia agenda. More t!Rayn trying to assert himself. I could be wrong on that though ;P. Time will tell! What are my rayn points? Can you just briefly bullet point them so I know we're on the same page? This post: Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 16:48 Holyflare wrote:I'll explain why rayn is mafia based on just this one post. My comments are in red. On June 25 2019 01:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am gonna try to explain my read on Kelsier. I'd normally most likely not care about it atm but since we're 8vs3 i think i actually need to cut everything that i feel like is bullshit out of the thread so we can actually find mafia.
What bullshit cutting does he need to achieve? Nothing I would consider bullshit is happening and especially nothing that deserves defending Kelsier from suspicion early day 1. This is very disconnected from what is actually happening in the thread and is very typical of someone just trying to look good through bravado of hooray I'm here to save the dayHere is Kelsier's firt real post in the game. On June 24 2019 05:00 KelsierSC wrote:On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
@Shapelog, what are you cooking?
Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas? Gracks entrance post/joke didn't mean anything. Did you expect someone to tell you otherwise? noticeable things so far is that Shapelog says the same thing and this is a post that is correct and doesn't make Grackaroni mafia. This is a noticeable thing for Rayn to mention. Why does it make Kelsier town that he picks up on ONE person doing something but not the other? Hint: It doesn't make him town, or at least, it's not a townie thing to do. Why does being correct mean anything when people most likely to be correct are the people with the most information? Mafia. This post is ONLY noticeable if you are calling Kelsier mafia, it does not belong in this case that Rayn is trying to make, that Kelsier is town.this is the follow up: On June 24 2019 05:23 KelsierSC wrote:
Alright this hasn't really heated up, Sunday evening start so it's to be expected. Going to take off and get some sleep. I'll try and check in a few times each day depending on my availability.
Trfel's post is the worst thing so far I can't decide if it's someone trying to get the game going or if he's just nervous and is uncomfortable sitting quietly in the thread.
I don't know anything about Eversince. If i'm honest it does feel a bit too nice but maybe he is just a good person. That being said, He does like HF so how can you trust him. this actually makes sense in case he is mafia, i agree. But so far, at this point my read on him is that he is trying to get the game going and not pulling any shit. I obviously disagree with his read on Trfel here but i don't think it makes him mafia. Again, would you think this is a town case on Kelsier? Wtf. It's just a narrative saying he disagrees with his read and Rayn has COMPLETELY forgotten anything about shapelog doing EXACTLY the same thing but Kelsier not saying a word about shapelog. Why even mention it above if it plays absolutely no relevance to your further read? This just highlights how much of a pointless narrative this entire post is and there's no critical thinking in it. What are we supposed to think here? That this post can highlight that maybe Trfel is mafia OR town? Great Kelsier post? No, not really, it's wishy washy and says absolutely nothing about BOTH eversince and Trfel. Classically mafia post.Eversince claims Grack is irritating after this. Pandain expresses some feelings i ahve no idea what that means on Grackaroni. At least Pandain has noticed the thing on Grack imo. What have these 2 lines got to do with Kelsier at all????Me, Trfel and ES discuss Eywa. Holyflare comes in and accuses Grackaroni. Jock makes his comment about Grack. Now i think this is the kicker post: On June 24 2019 16:28 KelsierSC wrote:
Morning Everyone,
Liked the discussion between rayn and trefl regarding eywa's reads. That's bumped trefl up. The scum reads seem off to me and need more explanation. I don't like ES particularly, but pandain is just one low content poster in a game of low content posters. ShapeLog town read also needs more explanation.
I don't like Jocks entrance. His first comment is he has nothing to add and things are uneventful. But as soon as HF throws out a name he jumps on it trying to bury Grack. The red part makes perfectly sense in case Kelsier is mafia (unless mafia with Eywa -- lets assume here that Trfel is town). The green part however doesn't make any sense at all in comparison to the red one since he is letting one guy off the hook for doing the wrong thing (accusing Grack) and changing the subject to another guy. I don't think that's a mafia thing to do because i think the mafia thing to do is to let Trfel and Jock be town for now and join the accusation, accuse them both, or act like you dont know where your head is at because you are now confused especially since HF jumped in. I think all of those outcomes are better than what Kelsier did and i don't think what he did makes any sense from mafia perspective. The red part makes perfect sense if Kelsier is mafia............ ah can totally see how this is a town case on Kelsier........ We also just have to assume he might also not be mafia with Eywa and that Trfel is also town. Like 3 leaps of logic for absolutely no reason here? Kelsier arbitrarily dismisses people for being low content poster (pandain) in a game of low content posters but literally doesn't highlight anyone else in the game and dismisses them in the same way, that looks really, really bad.
The green bit making Kelsier town... wtf? It doesn't make sense for a mafia Kelsier to drop his read on Trfel for an OPENING post that he said COULD make him someone who wants to push the game forward OR nervous mafia (not even a real scum read) to then pick up on Jock for scum reading Grack? Why does that not make sense? His old read was well past its expiry date, he could easily see motivation to sheep onto a train that big name rayn is pushing and thus say he's liking everything everyone is agreeing with and then move onto someone else that can't really fight back as much. Very, very easy thing for mafia to do. Does not make sense to town read for this at all, especially if you have any idea how mafia think when they are mafia, which Rayn should do in abundance. None of these things highlight why Kelsier is town, none at all. In fact, if anything, it looks like Rayn should be absolutely scum reading Kelsier. This is just one example of a narrative that Rayn is trying to push that doesn't make sense when you actually get down to it. I read the beginnings of his shapelog case too. It's literally that he thinks shapelog should have more content in a first post based on some previous game he played with shapelog and that he'd think shapelog's accusation would have more reasoning behind it. Not a stellar read, there's loads of stretches of imagination for it.
So you're saying rayn's points are valid? What exactly ARE rayn's points that are valid? The whole point of my post is specifically his town case on kelsier not making sense. Are you saying you're disagreeing with that?
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My main problem with rayn is that kelsier looks very bad in all aspects of his posts but rayn specifically went out of his way to defend kelsier while:
Calling his posts out saying this is what mafia kelsier would do
Ignoring all contradictory kelsier points
Making mafia posts from Kelsier into town posts
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On June 25 2019 23:46 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 22:02 Holyflare wrote:
My main problem with rayn is that kelsier looks very bad in all aspects of his posts but rayn specifically went out of his way to defend kelsier while:
Calling his posts out saying this is what mafia kelsier would do
Ignoring all contradictory kelsier points
Making mafia posts from Kelsier into town posts That would be because Rayn is scum and Kelsier is probably town right?
Or hard defending his buddy.
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On June 25 2019 23:49 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 23:47 Holyflare wrote:On June 25 2019 23:46 Eywa- wrote:On June 25 2019 22:02 Holyflare wrote:
My main problem with rayn is that kelsier looks very bad in all aspects of his posts but rayn specifically went out of his way to defend kelsier while:
Calling his posts out saying this is what mafia kelsier would do
Ignoring all contradictory kelsier points
Making mafia posts from Kelsier into town posts That would be because Rayn is scum and Kelsier is probably town right? Or hard defending his buddy. Good point, but we agree that Rayn is a suitable lynch for today?
Quite likely a good lynch, yeah.
I want to know your thoughts on the game though because so far all I know is a couple of lines with no substance.
Why did you town read shapelog?
Why do you mafia read rayn?
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On June 25 2019 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well Eywa is mafia most likely too. This is the annoying type of scumplayer (Conversion looks the same usually) who are not considerred scum because they are "too abrasive to be mafia" when in fact nothing they say pretty much makes sense, and just get ignored. Furthermore waayyyyyyy different from last game where she actually tried to play and figure shit out (until we got onto a shitfight).
Pandain my best bet for third scum just for calling Grackaroni mafia (or a lynch) for a claim that doesnt make any sense in his mind from mafia perspective, like basically he wants to lynch a townie and paints it as a "mafia read".
Those are my reads, if i am wrong on something get slam in there, most likely everyone else is town.
I just read last game to make sure but eywa looks identical to the start of it and was town sooooo.
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Rayn what was the bullshit in the thread that you needed to stop?
You also said you town read kelsier for pretty much activity and playing proactively rather than reactionary but literally 0 of your case highlights ANY of that train of thought. It pretty much shows kelsier sheeping and responding about his jock read?
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On June 26 2019 00:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Don't care. I have reads on all the people in the game except for slam already so i don't care. Do what you do and go lose.
Alienate the confirmed town guy that you can get to vote who you want. Smart play.
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Anyone that thinks there's a doctor and a named townie is sorely misinformed.
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On June 26 2019 01:14 Jockmcplop wrote:
Wait hf why are you voting grack if rayn is your number one big case scumread?
Didn't realise my vote wasn't on him. Don't think I'll vote him today anyway.
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On June 26 2019 01:15 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 01:13 Holyflare wrote:On June 26 2019 00:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Don't care. I have reads on all the people in the game except for slam already so i don't care. Do what you do and go lose. Alienate the confirmed town guy that you can get to vote who you want. Smart play. You haven't shown any sign that you would work with him and haven't commented on Shapelog.
I have commented on shapelog, I literally said I didn't agree with his case.
I asked him a simple question that required a simple answer. What was the bs in the thread that he felt like he needed to stop by town casing kelsier.
Also, why is his town read on kelsier later that he's playing proactively rather than reactively when that doesn't feature in any of his town case whatsoever?
How is this me not trying to work with rayn?
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That's why it's veteran parity named
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On June 26 2019 01:39 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 01:14 Holyflare wrote:
Anyone that thinks there's a doctor and a named townie is sorely misinformed. 100% this. It's possible but unlikely. And especially when the named townie is HF. Hosts do keep these kinds of things in mind for balance - a host would almost never make all HF, Rayn, and me a mafia team for instance.
Mate hosts rng. No way they'd balance me into a named role for fun. Super uninteresting.
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Rayn or kelsier today or slam maybe. Didn't even know slam was in the game.
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Why exactly are people voting eversince? I'm on my way home so shouldn't be long to solve. Probably don't vote grack or rayn and get rid of slam though. At least it gives people the ability to talk more tonight.
I want answers to my rayn questions.
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Wait nah we kill rayn. Best chance of being mafia, none of you will kill him later and he more than deserves it for ignoring really really relevant questions.
##unvote
##vote raynpelikoneet
No regrets. Don't ignore the confirmed town.
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I need to learn to be more confident in myself. If rayn dies that's his own fault for not being able to convince town adequately enough that he was town. If he's mafia full credit to me for being great.
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