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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 16:55 GMT
#1635
On May 22 2019 01:52 iGrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 01:47 Holyflare wrote:
Igrok are you going to expand on your post about me or just sit in the thread whittling down your limited hours? Not seen any real conclusion about anything.

Is there anyone that you haven't accused of being mafia D1?


Are you saying my reads should be static and unchanging or what? Each time I call someone mafia I have a precise reason for it and then I see their reaction and what they say and reevaluate. Does that make me mafia?

Think bc might be the only person I haven't called mafia I think.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 16:56 GMT
#1636
On May 22 2019 01:02 iGrok wrote:
Frankly the HF turn on Jock feels scummy, like pushing an easy lynch. Honestly HF's filter looks like trash, with one or two exceptions


What was this supposed to mean as well? Looks like you're giving yourself an out if it all goes wrong.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 16:58 GMT
#1641
On May 22 2019 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 01:55 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 01:52 iGrok wrote:
On May 22 2019 01:47 Holyflare wrote:
Igrok are you going to expand on your post about me or just sit in the thread whittling down your limited hours? Not seen any real conclusion about anything.

Is there anyone that you haven't accused of being mafia D1?


Are you saying my reads should be static and unchanging or what? Each time I call someone mafia I have a precise reason for it and then I see their reaction and what they say and reevaluate. Does that make me mafia?

Think bc might be the only person I haven't called mafia I think.

its actually pretty funny HF


I'd rather call everyone mafia multiple times than none at all :D
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 17:00 GMT
#1645
On May 22 2019 01:59 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 01:55 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 01:52 iGrok wrote:
On May 22 2019 01:47 Holyflare wrote:
Igrok are you going to expand on your post about me or just sit in the thread whittling down your limited hours? Not seen any real conclusion about anything.

Is there anyone that you haven't accused of being mafia D1?


Are you saying my reads should be static and unchanging or what? Each time I call someone mafia I have a precise reason for it and then I see their reaction and what they say and reevaluate. Does that make me mafia?

Think bc might be the only person I haven't called mafia I think.

why though? have you read my posts on him? koshi also had one.
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 00:32 disformation wrote:
On May 22 2019 00:31 disformation wrote:
why no bc? hard to follow reads. fell off super hard after first half of this cycle. currently basically fear voting ve.

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On May 21 2019 22:20 Koshi wrote:
On May 21 2019 19:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
This thread is such a clusterfuck.

Lets all sit back for like, 5 minutes. Remove all our current views for the moment on Calix and Ruxxar.

I say this as these 2 have eaten up the majority of the last well, 30+ hours?

Who does everyone else think is mafia. Of those people who has been say mentioned many times but like, any number of people but its either ignored, buried, or forgotten?

This is for people like VE and Bugs. Stop fighting each other for 5 minutes and how about we find some form of consensus.

and before you yell and scream at me bugs. Yes I think Ruxxar could still flip mafia, but it means jack shit currently if neither of us can convince anyone else to see what we have. So if only 2 maybe 3 people see what we see, just for a moment concede for the purposes of other options that we could be wrong.

Let's not focus on 2 people that are mafia and look for mafia.

Yes I joined the fucking dark side on Ruxxar but I will not lynch him before Calix EVVVVEEERRR




I just think I prefer my tone read to whatever these posts say. I definitely don't want to write him off as blindly town but it's vastly different from what I've experienced when he is mafia.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 17:14 GMT
#1667
On May 22 2019 02:02 iGrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 01:56 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 01:02 iGrok wrote:
Frankly the HF turn on Jock feels scummy, like pushing an easy lynch. Honestly HF's filter looks like trash, with one or two exceptions


What was this supposed to mean as well? Looks like you're giving yourself an out if it all goes wrong.

The specific things I think you did that were good were:
VE was aggroing me early, you attacked his reasoning but agreed with his conclusion. that reads as townie to me.

Mostly everything else you've done is flip back and forth on people. Rayne, me, ve, calix, rux, jock, back to ve/rayne. And usually when you switch targets its when there looks like there is some momentum building against that person.


This is so surface level. What reasoning did I use to jump on these people when it was opportune that you did not like or that was not my own original thought?

I've voted 2 people in this game even.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 17:22 GMT
#1675
On May 22 2019 02:09 iGrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck i really want to call iGrok town for that post hahahah ;D
So good.

Which?

Also right now top scum read is HF and calix, followed by arty. least confident is BC/bugs,

Key points on Calix:
Calix
HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good
-Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum
stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons
Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy
Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad
BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more?
Rux is maybe not scum because he is admitting to having trouble making reads and calix is also
pushes rayn
-#1247 honestly lots of true points about rayn but ones that I see as NAI because my memory of rayn's meta is palmar jr


Why are these not points about me???
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 17:23 GMT
#1678
On May 22 2019 02:22 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 02:09 iGrok wrote:
On May 22 2019 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck i really want to call iGrok town for that post hahahah ;D
So good.

Which?

Also right now top scum read is HF and calix, followed by arty. least confident is BC/bugs,

Key points on Calix:
Calix
HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good
-Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum
stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons
Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy
Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad
BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more?
Rux is maybe not scum because he is admitting to having trouble making reads and calix is also
pushes rayn
-#1247 honestly lots of true points about rayn but ones that I see as NAI because my memory of rayn's meta is palmar jr


Why are these not points about me???


Are these even key points? It'sa summary of posts?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 17:53 GMT
#1701
We lynch iGrok imo. Dude just came back made a list post of literally summary with no conclusion or reasons on why anyone is mafia. Never backed up his read on me or had any posts to prove what he was saying and conveniently went on calix (the biggest wagon iirc? At least in thread sentiment wise) and then fucked off again. He says I'm mafia for hopping in with sentiment and then literally did just that with calix.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 18:11 GMT
#1713
On May 22 2019 03:05 Calix wrote:
Why do you people keep hopping between lynches while always avoiding the obvious scum in front of you?

First Jock, then me, and now possibly iGrok?

Come on.

Then again, I have 4 votes. Meaning that even if the ENTIRE mafia team is on my arse, at least one townie looked at the ""case"" against me and the CONVINCING 'lynch Calix' posts put forth by rayn/ Koshi/ VE and concluded "yes, this is a great D1 vote".

But I'm more annoyed with the people dicking around and letting this happen.


Don't mind lynching you for this post ;D
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 18:16 GMT
#1716
On May 22 2019 03:11 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 03:05 Calix wrote:
Why do you people keep hopping between lynches while always avoiding the obvious scum in front of you?

First Jock, then me, and now possibly iGrok?

Come on.

Then again, I have 4 votes. Meaning that even if the ENTIRE mafia team is on my arse, at least one townie looked at the ""case"" against me and the CONVINCING 'lynch Calix' posts put forth by rayn/ Koshi/ VE and concluded "yes, this is a great D1 vote".

But I'm more annoyed with the people dicking around and letting this happen.


Don't mind lynching you for this post ;D


Igrok was on your mafia list and now he's opportunistically made a 'case" on you and you've totally ignored it and berated the town for possibly looking into him?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 18:20 GMT
#1721
On May 22 2019 03:18 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 03:16 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:11 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:05 Calix wrote:
Why do you people keep hopping between lynches while always avoiding the obvious scum in front of you?

First Jock, then me, and now possibly iGrok?

Come on.

Then again, I have 4 votes. Meaning that even if the ENTIRE mafia team is on my arse, at least one townie looked at the ""case"" against me and the CONVINCING 'lynch Calix' posts put forth by rayn/ Koshi/ VE and concluded "yes, this is a great D1 vote".

But I'm more annoyed with the people dicking around and letting this happen.


Don't mind lynching you for this post ;D


Igrok was on your mafia list and now he's opportunistically made a 'case" on you and you've totally ignored it and berated the town for possibly looking into him?


I want rayn dead more and cannot understand why nobody will just kill him already.

I don't care about anyone else.

Like the reason I even suggested rayn as a lynch was because [at the time I made the 'lynch rayn' post] nobody else was doing anything and a bunch of my town-reads thought rayn was suspect too.

But when I actually say 'hey maybe we should lynch rayn' nobody does anything and SUDDENLY people want to lynch Jock or me instead.


Do you think the reasons for wanting to lynch jock were bad? Do you disagree with my case that he was caught out in an inconsistency?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 18:22 GMT
#1724
On May 22 2019 03:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But Calix first, i dont know who else is mafia. Maybe Holyflare. disfo looks better and iGrok i am not sure is scum anymore. well gn


Stop man.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 18:40 GMT
#1727
On May 22 2019 03:28 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 03:20 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:18 Calix wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:16 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:11 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:05 Calix wrote:
Why do you people keep hopping between lynches while always avoiding the obvious scum in front of you?

First Jock, then me, and now possibly iGrok?

Come on.

Then again, I have 4 votes. Meaning that even if the ENTIRE mafia team is on my arse, at least one townie looked at the ""case"" against me and the CONVINCING 'lynch Calix' posts put forth by rayn/ Koshi/ VE and concluded "yes, this is a great D1 vote".

But I'm more annoyed with the people dicking around and letting this happen.


Don't mind lynching you for this post ;D


Igrok was on your mafia list and now he's opportunistically made a 'case" on you and you've totally ignored it and berated the town for possibly looking into him?


I want rayn dead more and cannot understand why nobody will just kill him already.

I don't care about anyone else.

Like the reason I even suggested rayn as a lynch was because [at the time I made the 'lynch rayn' post] nobody else was doing anything and a bunch of my town-reads thought rayn was suspect too.

But when I actually say 'hey maybe we should lynch rayn' nobody does anything and SUDDENLY people want to lynch Jock or me instead.


Do you think the reasons for wanting to lynch jock were bad? Do you disagree with my case that he was caught out in an inconsistency?


I don't disagree it was inconsistent.

I just don't think it's a mafia inconsistency. Or a bad enough inconsistency to make me reconsider my town read.

I'll admit I've spent a lot of the game thinking "this guy is obvious town, who gives a damn if he has one or two weird posts if they're not really mafia motivated?" though so I am biased towards dismissing stuff against him.

[I feel the same way about WBG. To me he is also obvious town]


Do you think it's not scummy because of the emotional stuff afterwards or did you think it was not scummy before?

Also, if it was inconsistent, you can imagine that some people DID find it scummy right?

So, Rayn found it scummy and it WAS an inconsistency so his case WASN'T actually that bad and he thinks it's a slam dunk and solely wanted to vote Jock and was afk for a very long time. That's the crux of rayn's play this game. Is that scummy?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 18:54 GMT
#1730
I say we lynch igrok and see where the nks take us.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 18:57 GMT
#1731
Yes, this is a real waffle but I get a good feeling from Calix's posts every time she feels convicted about stuff that just seems honest (apart from the re-entry).
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 19:05 GMT
#1738
This game is very confusing. I feel like every time I accuse somebody of something it's like trying to ram a jigsaw piece that doesn't quite fit. That usually means one of the people that are town read by lots of people is playing well. There are a few outliers though. I think Artanis just posts really agreeable things and decides to leave each time so he doesn't draw attention to himself. I think iGrok basically just sheeped consensus and couldn't be fucked to expand on his read on me.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 19:07 GMT
#1740
Can you just drop rayn for like 2 god damn seconds and talk about your feelings on iGrok? He's posted accusations at you and you haven't really acknowledged his existence despite being your mafia read.

Quote some of his posts, tell us why he's wrong.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 19:13 GMT
#1743
On May 22 2019 04:11 Koshi wrote:
Igrok thinks bc, Calix and hf are mafia. Looks good.


you can be mafia too if you think he looks good
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 19:20 GMT
#1748
On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false.


Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia."
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 19:47 GMT
#1780
On May 22 2019 04:30 iGrok wrote:
Lunch break.

Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 04:11 Koshi wrote:
Igrok thinks bc, Calix and hf are mafia. Looks good.


I dont have a strong read on BC, I just think he's done some things that I don't like. I'm slightly biased towards liking him for a couple reasons. A) His posts are typically well formatted summaries, and I'm a sucker for those. B) As he said about me, we recognize each other's names so there is some subconcious level of bias towards each other. As in, all things considered, if I had two players exactly equally likely, I'd rather keep the player I'm more familiar with because it should be easier to read them later.

HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order.

HF wants me to cite every action of his that I refer to and I'm simply not going to do that. The thread is too long and too dense. He's flipped aggro a bunch of times as I referred to previously, and almost always it was towards someone who was starting to get momentum towards them.


No, I don't want you to cite every single one. I want you to come up with an example of a person that was gaining momentum where I specifically decided to flip my read on to lynching that person and joined their wagon. Right now all you've given is a generalisation and no evidence.
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