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On May 21 2019 17:50 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 17:43 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 17:37 Holyflare wrote:
Personally, I think ruxxar was perfectly correct to call me mafia. I had a high burst of activity and then have completely waffled and disappeared as people get more active.
What I don't like is that it was opportunistic. He'd town read me before afaik, arbitrarily decided that between rayn and I that I somehow became mafia and then wrote the narrative on me.
He dropped all his other reads for that too. Essentially I'm the lynch bait currently and he took it. Who else is he supposed to push to look good other than a high profile sitting duck that people can't disagree with his read on? Why are you not responding to me I find this analysis weird though, why on earth do you think you’re the lynch bait here? If anything it’s Calix or disformation. I agree that it’s a scum vote but I think it’s more a vote in line with “if I vote HF here no one will believe I’d have the balls to do that as scum” because you weren’t on any radars and weren’t likely to be lynched given the vote spread He has consistently just disappeared after every short burst of activity and his “progressions” are just odd. As you pointed out he just completely dropped the Calix/conversion business; what happened to one of them being scum? He also had a set up into calling BC scum but dropped that too. No idea why he mentions rayn in his post on you either, just seems like a forced mention especially because rayn was nearly completely absent for 24 hours. Sorry what was I supposed to respond to? I am the perfect lynch bait. I could make a case on myself for being mafia. High activity poking on rayn to blow up into low activity keeping options open when everyone becomes active? I'm the mafia dream to push. Nobody can really argue with that. Push back on calix/conversion etc is all because they have blurred lines, nothing to sway one way or the other.
Should there be a difference to me when I'm reading between lynch bait and scum?
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On May 21 2019 18:10 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 18:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
Calix I already explained myself and mobile posting, go read the game.
You can just read rayn’s last couple filter pages and look for his questions to Koshi Point taken. Doesn't look like rayn's reads have changed with the flow of the game at all. His scum-reads are based on old info. And his points against Jock and I weren't good to begin with and are even worse now.
Honestly I assumed that if he came back he would drop his thing about me being scum. Holding on to that in the face of everything that's gone on since he disappeared looks very bad. I was willing to forgive his madness yesterday as just butthurt and stupid but hanging on to it now looks as though he's conscious of what people are thinking of him.
Rayn give me a GOOD reason why you haven't changed your vote.
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On May 21 2019 19:02 wherebugsgo wrote:
well, see HF, the thing about ruxxar is that he does not respond to questions
that is really what makes him scum.
Also what is it about his posts that you find not scummy? If it's tone, I already can tell you that's probably not alignment indicative for ruxxar.
Plenty of people don't respond to questions.
It doesn't always make them scum.
What about ruxxar specifically makes not responding to questions scummy, but tone NAI??
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VE a few times you claimed you're being obvtown but I don't see it..
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On May 21 2019 19:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
Cool story, I don't care. Are you voting for me, or thinking about it?
No
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On May 21 2019 19:27 Koshi wrote:
She is scum. You are all pants on head and I dont understand it.
If calix is scum I have to rethink everything :/
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On May 20 2019 17:29 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics.
i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart.
- hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up.
- VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia.
- rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho.
- bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information.
already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix Might become spokepersons between plebeians and aristocrats.
So koshi thinks ruxxar has hit the nail ont he head with his calix scumread here, and that stupid town should listen to him.
Problem is, there are issues with this post --- the main one being that ruxxar is criticizing in calix the exact same thing he is guilty of in this post...
Koshi are we supposed to ignore that inconvenient fact on the basis that you are absolutely sure that ruxxar is town and calix is scum??
Is there something else here that would suggest that???
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On May 21 2019 19:31 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 19:28 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 21 2019 19:27 Koshi wrote:
She is scum. You are all pants on head and I dont understand it. If calix is scum I have to rethink everything :/ Don't you have me as a scum lean? What changed?
It was a slight lean based off your posts - nothing definite at all - but your voting and the fact that you are on conversion with me means that if you're scum I have to rethink more than my opinion of you --- it involves pretty much everything about my game so far.
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Calix also that fact you put rayn back in the scumpile at the exact same time i did.
Its not just conversion.
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On May 21 2019 19:40 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 19:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
To VE: You didn't answer my question, who do you actually townread this game and who do you intend to move your vote to? I'm only around for a few hours here because I have to sleep, I'll probably be around for deadline but can't guarantee it since I have morning meetings.
To HF: If you don't think ruxxar is a good lynch then do you have any alternatives to suggest or are you going to continue to play coy? I'm not sure if I really have anything left to say on ruxxar and honestly my isolation here is pretty annoying because I'm constantly doubting myself.
Like what I don't get is that I read Calix, conversion, disfo, Jock etc. as town but none of them are helping and they're just playing in some sort of sandbox off on the side refusing to get out. I'm wondering now if my townread on one or more of them is misplaced I honestly don't have one. I'll decide in my own time. Don't treat me as a town leader this cycle, just as a guy doing his own thing in his own time who will reach a conclusion eventually. Probably. I'll need to hear from ruxxar and make some connections first. Calix post saying ruxxar isn't scummy is my current focus.
The problem is that we're all doing this, hence why the thread is mad stupid chaos.
WBG is trying to lead and get people to lynch with him, but he has a weak target that no-one wants to lynch. It would really help if you would try and confirm yourself as town to the rest of us tbh.
I still think conversion is scum and maybe rayn but I would go for ruxxar if I didn't feel iffy about yourself and BC this game.
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Koshi do you think I could confirm calix as scum from her interactions re: myself and rayn??
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On May 21 2019 19:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 19:42 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 21 2019 19:40 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2019 19:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
To VE: You didn't answer my question, who do you actually townread this game and who do you intend to move your vote to? I'm only around for a few hours here because I have to sleep, I'll probably be around for deadline but can't guarantee it since I have morning meetings.
To HF: If you don't think ruxxar is a good lynch then do you have any alternatives to suggest or are you going to continue to play coy? I'm not sure if I really have anything left to say on ruxxar and honestly my isolation here is pretty annoying because I'm constantly doubting myself.
Like what I don't get is that I read Calix, conversion, disfo, Jock etc. as town but none of them are helping and they're just playing in some sort of sandbox off on the side refusing to get out. I'm wondering now if my townread on one or more of them is misplaced I honestly don't have one. I'll decide in my own time. Don't treat me as a town leader this cycle, just as a guy doing his own thing in his own time who will reach a conclusion eventually. Probably. I'll need to hear from ruxxar and make some connections first. Calix post saying ruxxar isn't scummy is my current focus. The problem is that we're all doing this, hence why the thread is mad stupid chaos. WBG is trying to lead and get people to lynch with him, but he has a weak target that no-one wants to lynch. It would really help if you would try and confirm yourself as town to the rest of us tbh. I still think conversion is scum and maybe rayn but I would go for ruxxar if I didn't feel iffy about yourself and BC this game. Wait you feel iffy about me?? When did that change?
The following chain should explain it
On May 21 2019 15:34 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 15:27 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 15:10 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 21 2019 15:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
Jock I think conversion is town based on his tone and responses to being called out. He’s pretty self-aware that he’s only focusing on disformation so a part of me wants to help disformation die so he can do other things but actually if you read he is doing things other than tunneling disfo. For example response posts, 775 780 and 787 are all posts that I find would be difficult for scum to fake.
At the moment I think they’re both town though. Hmm... OK Well I can see that you think he is town. Nothing you've posted would convince me that he's town though. I've just looked at those three posts and they all seem NAI to me. I could well imagine mafia posting any of those. Do you think hf is playing differently to usual? Where is his pushing for a lynch? Why i he going for afkers when he never does that. I don’t think HF is playing particularly out of band here. Right now I’m still rather confused at some events in the game. Based on HF’s style of adding up townreads and lynching through the rest, and what he’s posted so far on feeling unsure about said townreads, I imagine he just hasn’t been able to get enough of a grip on the game and resorted to voting iGrok. Now that iGrok is back and EU is waking up I fully expect HF to do some reevaluations and if he doesn’t, then I’ll become concerned. I’m also waiting for him to react to certain things I’ve noted and I want to see if his opinions move in a way that I’d expect. So far so good though; my opinion on HF is that he’s a fairly logical player even if sometimes he harps on weird stuff or goes pants-on-head like he did with me last game with his inordinately stupid fake claim red check. Btw why I pointed out those 3 posts is because I think mafia tend to not try to call as much attention to themselves in non-chalant, repeated ways. It’s especially the case in his responses to Calix, because he essentially says “hey look I can make you look bad too” without OMGUSing, and I think most scum in that situation would not be bold enough to counter like that. OK thanks for explaining... I'll bear that in mind as he posts more. IMO from what he has posted so far that isn't nearly enough to make me townread him or downgrade my scumread on him. I just want him to scumhunt in a way that doesn't seem fake. His sudden about turn from "I only want to talk about disfo" to agreeing with thread sentiment on ruxxar is an example of this. Let's see what happens today. With hf, I'm very much in the 'wait and see' camp with you on that one. He might come here and do his usual hf thing, and you explanation for why he is acting the way he is actually makes sense in context with his previous games.I think I'm getting a little bit thrown with the 72 hour days. The rhythm of the game is different - I think this might be why everything is a little bit wild at the moment... No-one's really motivated o properly push a lynch because there's so much time left.
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On May 21 2019 20:08 Calix wrote:
Okay if nobody else is going to try pushing for a lynch then I'll do it. HF/ Jock/ WBG, we should go back to rayn. I'm pretty sure his train was pure. And since the pressure went off him, he's done pretty much nothing to redeem himself.
##vote raynpelikoneet
I'm not saying no, but I'd like to talk to koshi first.
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On May 21 2019 20:10 Conversion wrote:
Just woke up and sort of caught up
what are town goals today?
@Jock you are horribly misconstruing my filter YET AGAIN. I’m inclined to believe that you’re bordering on scum trying to save ruxxar or disformation. you gave me shit for tunneling, and when I try and lsiten to others to have thoughts you call that out as well. do you want to 1:1 coach me so you can townread me? like wtf.
It makes sense to me though.
You also noticed you were tunelling disfo, and then went to the next easiest target with a half arsed post that agreed with the overwhelming thread sentiment at that time.
Tell me you didn't do that?!
You still have time to be townish. Just be townish. My vote isn't dead set.
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On May 21 2019 20:13 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 20:12 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 21 2019 20:10 Conversion wrote:
Just woke up and sort of caught up
what are town goals today?
@Jock you are horribly misconstruing my filter YET AGAIN. I’m inclined to believe that you’re bordering on scum trying to save ruxxar or disformation. you gave me shit for tunneling, and when I try and lsiten to others to have thoughts you call that out as well. do you want to 1:1 coach me so you can townread me? like wtf. It makes sense to me though. You also noticed you were tunelling disfo, and then went to the next easiest target with a half arsed post that agreed with the overwhelming thread sentiment at that time. Tell me you didn't do that?! You still have time to be townish. Just be townish. My vote isn't dead set. easiest post? WBG asked me to untunnel, so I read a filter and put my opinions on it. you on the other hand, what have you done?
Read my filter and you'll see. I'm genuinely trying to figure things out. Its taking alot of posts to do it, but I think I'll get there.
Have I done something scummy???
There's really not much point in us two shouting at each other all day again. I still think you're mafia - all you have to do to change that is make a bunch of townie posts - you haven't done that yet at all.
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On May 21 2019 17:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He already pissed me off and normally it stops sooner when he is town. Bit idk. I am noy gonna vote for anyways. Tbh i am not gonna change my vote at all because even if jock is town he is still +1 mafia. Noone as town should ever say shit like that then later on just say oh thats not why i said it you should just trust i meant something i didnt say.
I never said anything like this rayn you are talking shit.
I don't understand why you think you can flat out lie about something that everyone can read in my filter.
I also don't really get why mafia would even try that its soooooo fucking stupid.
I'm tempted to vote you just so I can find out whether calix is scum or not.
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On May 21 2019 20:28 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 20:27 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 21 2019 17:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He already pissed me off and normally it stops sooner when he is town. Bit idk. I am noy gonna vote for anyways. Tbh i am not gonna change my vote at all because even if jock is town he is still +1 mafia. Noone as town should ever say shit like that then later on just say oh thats not why i said it you should just trust i meant something i didnt say. I never said anything like this rayn you are talking shit. I don't understand why you think you can flat out lie about something that everyone can read in my filter. I also don't really get why mafia would even try that its soooooo fucking stupid. I'm tempted to vote you just so I can find out whether calix is scum or not. Calling bullshit on the idea that you can tell ANYTHING about my alignment from rayn's flip. Vote rayn because he's mafia, not because of some stupid "get information" idea you have -_-
The thing is...
If rayn is mafia he's even more retarded than if he's town.
So I wouldn't vote for him on that basis --- as I explained in the above post.
Why are you trying to start a wagon on rayn? Is he your #1 scumread?
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Arg I'm going to take a break I'm confusing the shit out of myself.
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On May 21 2019 20:44 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 20:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 21 2019 20:24 Conversion wrote:On May 21 2019 20:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
The jock read has been explained in thread, however it was by bugs.
The entire premise of me asking people (specifically the ones I was asking) was to try and recreate something we made last game that was well, helpful even if we were wrong at points.
Also as for you? You have provided nothing of value to the thread, maintain activity levels, but basically don't do anything to help further a lynch / find possible mafia. This is clearly how I see your posting. Others clearly could see it differently.
Also how about for a change you actually post who you think is mafia? Hell theres enough of a thread. If you could lynch 1 of 3 people right now, list them.
Also Conversion I ask you the same question. Who are your top 3 scum reads and why I’m spending a good chunk of this day getting a better hold of who I trust and who I don’t since I spent the last 48hrs tunneling andapparently that makes me mafia. also heading into work now brb Hey everyone, Keep a note at this reply please. Its not fully damning but it not looking good. Hey Disinformation. Your turn. Name your top 3 scum reads and why how is that not good? are you serious. my entire filter is calling disfo scum, and the MAJORITY of people in the game are telling me (some which I believe to be town atm) that I’m wrong and to look elsewhere. you have Jock on your list crying about how I’m scum and being flimsy as fuck and not really looking into anything else yet you don’t question him/find him suspicious? this game man..
People I have 'looked into' during this game:
You
Hf a little bit
VE a little bit then backed off
Rayn more than once
I've spent most of the first couple of rl days trying to get reads by asking questions and gathering information..
Tell me that's wrong... I dare you.
Stop this OMGUS please it doesn't help anything.
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On May 21 2019 20:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
disfo, conversion, BC (especially BC, cause you came in with the intention of cleaning up the thread :D)
you're doing that classic town vs town vs town shitfest thing.
Let's back it up a bit, and come to an agreement that you all disagree with each other, and from this standpoint it looks like you're all arguing about completely pointless things when none of the things any of you are pointing out seem scummy to me.
I would like to do this.
I think we need to start working together more.
I'll start with this:
##Unvote
Right conversion, I still think you're scum but my vote will most likely land elsewhere. I'm fed of being being distracted with you putting me on the defensive while I'm trying to figure out more important shit.
WBG: Can you see why I need to figure out calix/koshi???
Calix has almost exactly the same reads as me and is now trying to get the rayn trayn a running. However, Koshi is insisting that calix is scum and we're all stupid for not already knowing that.
So... I need to know whether calix is scum so I can figure out whether or not to reevaluate absolutely everything so far.
What are you thinking on this? I'm sorry for being fucking useless but I don't even know how to figure this shit out at all... especially while koshi isn't here.
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