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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 10:03 GMT
#1146
Just seem honest and not really hiding much? Dunno how to explain feels really. He'll respond to me, no worries.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 10:16 GMT
#1154
I dunno what to tell you bugs but I just don't find those things scummy? Maybe he had to disappear, maybe he found something better and flitted to the next thing on his mind?

I think mafia would be more careful about having explanations at least rather than dropping things for no reason and moving on? What reason does he have to drop calix read etc?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 10:31 GMT
#1180
On May 21 2019 19:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
My vote is on Calix currently and yes, I intend to move it.


I think this is the second time you've essentially said you're going to move your vote while having it on someone but given no other thoughts as to who?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 10:37 GMT
#1191
On May 21 2019 19:35 Calix wrote:
Anyway I was writing a rambly-as-fuck reads post because I was tired of constantly doubting myself. In summary, we should lynch into Koshi/ Rayn [don't think both are mafia] or BC/ iGrok and that Conversion/ ruxxar might actually be T/T.

But only one of those is viable...lol. If anyone is up for one of these people, please speak up now.

[not you WBG, I already know you will disagree with me here ]

Anyhow ##unvote.


What has ruxxar posted that makes you town read him?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 10:40 GMT
#1197
On May 21 2019 19:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
To VE: You didn't answer my question, who do you actually townread this game and who do you intend to move your vote to? I'm only around for a few hours here because I have to sleep, I'll probably be around for deadline but can't guarantee it since I have morning meetings.

To HF: If you don't think ruxxar is a good lynch then do you have any alternatives to suggest or are you going to continue to play coy? I'm not sure if I really have anything left to say on ruxxar and honestly my isolation here is pretty annoying because I'm constantly doubting myself.

Like what I don't get is that I read Calix, conversion, disfo, Jock etc. as town but none of them are helping and they're just playing in some sort of sandbox off on the side refusing to get out. I'm wondering now if my townread on one or more of them is misplaced


I honestly don't have one. I'll decide in my own time. Don't treat me as a town leader this cycle, just as a guy doing his own thing in his own time who will reach a conclusion eventually. Probably. I'll need to hear from ruxxar and make some connections first. Calix post saying ruxxar isn't scummy is my current focus.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 10:49 GMT
#1207
On May 21 2019 19:40 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2019 19:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
To VE: You didn't answer my question, who do you actually townread this game and who do you intend to move your vote to? I'm only around for a few hours here because I have to sleep, I'll probably be around for deadline but can't guarantee it since I have morning meetings.

To HF: If you don't think ruxxar is a good lynch then do you have any alternatives to suggest or are you going to continue to play coy? I'm not sure if I really have anything left to say on ruxxar and honestly my isolation here is pretty annoying because I'm constantly doubting myself.

Like what I don't get is that I read Calix, conversion, disfo, Jock etc. as town but none of them are helping and they're just playing in some sort of sandbox off on the side refusing to get out. I'm wondering now if my townread on one or more of them is misplaced


Can't speak for anyone else but I find your conviction on ruxxar off-putting. Not in a mafia way, just in a "I don't want to be pressured into voting for this guy" kind of way.

And it seems like a lot of people are having doubts on ruxxar anyway so I don't think you'll be able to push past those. Hence why you are frustrated, I think.


Kind of feel the same way tbh. Here's a free town read.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 10:59 GMT
#1212
On May 21 2019 19:42 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2019 19:40 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2019 19:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
To VE: You didn't answer my question, who do you actually townread this game and who do you intend to move your vote to? I'm only around for a few hours here because I have to sleep, I'll probably be around for deadline but can't guarantee it since I have morning meetings.

To HF: If you don't think ruxxar is a good lynch then do you have any alternatives to suggest or are you going to continue to play coy? I'm not sure if I really have anything left to say on ruxxar and honestly my isolation here is pretty annoying because I'm constantly doubting myself.

Like what I don't get is that I read Calix, conversion, disfo, Jock etc. as town but none of them are helping and they're just playing in some sort of sandbox off on the side refusing to get out. I'm wondering now if my townread on one or more of them is misplaced


I honestly don't have one. I'll decide in my own time. Don't treat me as a town leader this cycle, just as a guy doing his own thing in his own time who will reach a conclusion eventually. Probably. I'll need to hear from ruxxar and make some connections first. Calix post saying ruxxar isn't scummy is my current focus.


The problem is that we're all doing this, hence why the thread is mad stupid chaos.
WBG is trying to lead and get people to lynch with him, but he has a weak target that no-one wants to lynch. It would really help if you would try and confirm yourself as town to the rest of us tbh.
I still think conversion is scum and maybe rayn but I would go for ruxxar if I didn't feel iffy about yourself and BC this game.


Wait you feel iffy about me?? When did that change?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 11:05 GMT
#1223
On May 21 2019 20:01 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2019 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2019 19:40 Calix wrote:
On May 21 2019 19:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
To VE: You didn't answer my question, who do you actually townread this game and who do you intend to move your vote to? I'm only around for a few hours here because I have to sleep, I'll probably be around for deadline but can't guarantee it since I have morning meetings.

To HF: If you don't think ruxxar is a good lynch then do you have any alternatives to suggest or are you going to continue to play coy? I'm not sure if I really have anything left to say on ruxxar and honestly my isolation here is pretty annoying because I'm constantly doubting myself.

Like what I don't get is that I read Calix, conversion, disfo, Jock etc. as town but none of them are helping and they're just playing in some sort of sandbox off on the side refusing to get out. I'm wondering now if my townread on one or more of them is misplaced


Can't speak for anyone else but I find your conviction on ruxxar off-putting. Not in a mafia way, just in a "I don't want to be pressured into voting for this guy" kind of way.

And it seems like a lot of people are having doubts on ruxxar anyway so I don't think you'll be able to push past those. Hence why you are frustrated, I think.


Kind of feel the same way tbh. Here's a free town read.

i feel like wbg is like one of the few sane persons (if not the only one) in the thread and i don't think his stuff on ruxxar is horrible (like koshi does apparently). though i agree that it is not nearly as strong as he think it is. think one of the posts of wbg asking me to vote ruxxar felt a bit like scum!pandain getting me to vote for town!sent in the themed game.
dont think wbg is scum, but the ruxxar vote seems off.

maybe im overthinking shit and I should just sheep wbg for at least making sense unless a ton of other ppl


Nah, I don't have any problem with bugs or him pushing ruxxar. In fact, it's quite a good thing to do. I just want to try and interact with ruxxar a bit and other people around ruxxar first. Don't want to be forced into anything repeatedly. Calix just mimics how I was feeling so it was more about her than bugs.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 11:34 GMT
#1249
I think I'd settle on a VE lynch maybe. But it annoys me to do that over people that think it's ok to not play the game. So rayn might be a spite lynch that could hit mafia but ve is an I think is actually mafia but if I'm wrong it would suck.

VE just basically comes back to say look how towny I am, disputes a bunch of shit, says he's not gonna vote who his vote is actually on and is instead gonna sheep, doesn't actually sheep and leaves again.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 11:41 GMT
#1253
On May 21 2019 20:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Im upgrading Calix atm to a town read based on the last few pages.

Also ill do a more concentrated dive on VE. Jesus fuck I don't want to look into that filter though lol


Agreed.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 12:15 GMT
#1297
I could have been an asset last game
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 12:39 GMT
#1326
On May 21 2019 21:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2019 21:15 Holyflare wrote:
I could have been an asset last game


yeah but you faked a red check on me. and in obs thread you and rayn both essentially said grack was the towniest town who ever towned

Sorry to say but actually you or me dying d2 was probably the best thing that could've happened for town because otherwise we'd end up having continued that fight into d3/d4 (and we certainly weren't going to lynch Koshi or Grack in your stead on d2). And regardless of my ass reads I'm a bit proud I helped with the VE & BC circle and in the end read Pandain & slam properly, and prevented us from lynching Pandain who eventually was one of the deciders to kill grack.

BTW what's your assetness this game? Have you decided who you want to lynch yet?


Yeah, VE I think.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 12:41 GMT
#1328
On May 21 2019 21:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2019 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another thing is this Calix thing. There is simply no way Calix considers Holyflare town at the point she does. That always makes her mafia, that, and that only. I don't think she can actually consider me mafia aswell at that point but that's more of a minor point. In one of the last games Calix played, if not last, there was a different parity cop check between me and HF and town (Calix included) chose to NOT vote either of us off (lol) in a no-lylo situation. There should never ever be a world where calix should be that confident of her HF read at the point she came to the thread, regardless of what she thinks about my affiliaton.


I was going to point out that I also viewed HF town at that point, and I guess you were sort of internally consistent in that you called me scum (IIRC?) for calling HF confirmed town there

But at any rate this read is total garbage given that you came to the exact opposite conclusion on ruxxar and he posted this as his first post:

Show nested quote +
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics.
i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.

- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart.
- hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up.
- VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia.
- rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho.
- bugs looks aigh tish.

- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information.
already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.

##Vote calix


So at that point ruxxar should also not have been totally confident that HF and Jock are town? Like why extend this suspicion to every person who called HF & jock town EXCEPT ruxxar?


Ahaha rekt.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 12:46 GMT
#1335
On May 21 2019 21:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2019 21:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
Do you have an actual rationale for why it's within ruxxar's towngame for him to do that and not be scum, and why, according to you, people misread him? Like surely if you expect to convince people of that, who haven't actually played with him, you need some way of laying it out?

Similarly on Calix, since you apparently know her history all so well, why don't you spell it out to me?

I dont have a good answer for the first thing. I just don't feel like he is mafia. Maybe i am wrong maybe i am right, but i sure as hell think there are more scummy people than ruxxar and i dont think those people are mafia with him.

I just did give an example. You were in the very same game.


Ruxxar has played in the same game where I evaded a red check and got the cop lynched and still won. Calix has arguably played less with me than ruxxar, especially as mafia so would know even less about that.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 12:49 GMT
#1343
On May 21 2019 21:45 Jockmcplop wrote:
Only joking.

Why isn't everyone else also voting for rayn.

Top notch high quality lynch right there. Obviously has zero town motivation for any single one of his posts.


You're the bugs of the rayn lynch trying to ram it down our throats and I don't think I like this version.+ Show Spoiler [stuff that I'm thinking in my he…] +
I think you might have a good chance at being mafia in fact because of this. You seem to put weight into people being mafia way too much on little nuances that shouldn't carry that much weight and you have seemingly inconsistent thought processes on say lynching someone to get a view of someone else.


I find it weird how you ask everyone for help on reading calix but feel this passionate about rayn.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 12:50 GMT
#1345
On May 21 2019 21:48 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2019 21:46 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2019 21:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 21 2019 21:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
Do you have an actual rationale for why it's within ruxxar's towngame for him to do that and not be scum, and why, according to you, people misread him? Like surely if you expect to convince people of that, who haven't actually played with him, you need some way of laying it out?

Similarly on Calix, since you apparently know her history all so well, why don't you spell it out to me?

I dont have a good answer for the first thing. I just don't feel like he is mafia. Maybe i am wrong maybe i am right, but i sure as hell think there are more scummy people than ruxxar and i dont think those people are mafia with him.

I just did give an example. You were in the very same game.


Ruxxar has played in the same game where I evaded a red check and got the cop lynched and still won. Calix has arguably played less with me than ruxxar, especially as mafia so would know even less about that.


Eh? I don't recall playing with ruxxar at all.


No, I mean you have played less with me than ruxxar has played with me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 12:56 GMT
#1357
On May 21 2019 21:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2019 21:49 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2019 21:45 Jockmcplop wrote:
Only joking.

Why isn't everyone else also voting for rayn.

Top notch high quality lynch right there. Obviously has zero town motivation for any single one of his posts.


You're the bugs of the rayn lynch trying to ram it down our throats and I don't think I like this version.+ Show Spoiler [stuff that I'm thinking in my he…] +
I think you might have a good chance at being mafia in fact because of this. You seem to put weight into people being mafia way too much on little nuances that shouldn't carry that much weight and you have seemingly inconsistent thought processes on say lynching someone to get a view of someone else.


I find it weird how you ask everyone for help on reading calix but feel this passionate about rayn.


do you remember Jock's response to me last game about what he thought scumhunting meant? Probably not...here's a refresher:

Show nested quote +
On May 01 2019 01:38 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 01 2019 01:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 01 2019 01:27 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 01 2019 01:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Suddenly even happier with my decision.


Yeah vote me first. Why not? I already have a low enough of opinion of tl.net.

First game - mafia - failed to spot it
Second game - town - dead first night
Third game... you get the picture.

I guess I'm a wildcard since I have no meta for you guys to rely on. If you just vote for me you're justified cos I'm new and it saves having to look for scum.

I'm not mafia by the way.


not helping yourself much here mate. Before I go down that path of lowering expectations/opinions about things, why don't you talk to me about who you actually think we should kill instead of you?

If we can't get that far, brushing aside the newness factor, do you understand BC's stated reason for voting you?

What's your strategy for finding scum?


Yeah he wants to get people talking. I can't think of anything to say in particular though.

My strategy for finding scum at the moment is to see who's acting suspiciously, but there isn't much here to go on to be honest.


Show nested quote +
On May 01 2019 11:23 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 01 2019 10:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 01 2019 10:29 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 01 2019 08:54 Holyflare wrote:
Oh well nothing more to add really. I think jock is way out of character and the town read(s) are pretty unjustified here.


Out of character compared to when I was mafia?


You gonna ignore my previous post?

You should answer this, and don't even think about skipping any of the questions:

Can you define what makes people suspicious? What types of things are suspicious and why would they be indicators someone is mafia instead of town?

Have you read Incognito's guide? What do you think your #1 priority should be if you are a townie?


Regardless of your alignment, at your current rate, you should know you're going to be dead.

In addition to that, let's see your reads.


I have read incognito's guide. At the moment I'm looking for typical mafia stuff, apologetic posting, if anyone has an agenda or is making alot of posts without contributing, inconsistent weird logic. That stuff is suspicious.

#1 priority as town for me is finding scum.

don't even think about skipping any of the questions:


LOL


Show nested quote +
On May 01 2019 12:07 Jockmcplop wrote:
BC seems town
He's wrong about me but he's genuinely hunting I think.

FF could be scum. Just turned up to claim town and hasn't said anything at all.

VE is the most blatant town to me so far. His posts are sensible and he's actually contributing.

MZ reads town

Can't read HF

Bugs is interesting. Lots of questions no answers. Probably the most scummy out of everyone, just from the number of questions he's asked people that are irrelevant or pointless.


I don't really have any strong scum reads at the moment.


Seems to me like this isn't really a good indicator for Jock, but could just be me.


I don't find this consistent tbh maybe. He seems to be valuing other people's reads (eg Koshi) to use as an excuse to be unsure of someone he has voted with at every instance.

He just feels a bit off to me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 13:40 GMT
#1418
On May 21 2019 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2019 22:35 Koshi wrote:
On May 21 2019 22:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 21 2019 22:28 Koshi wrote:
##unvote

I dont know anymore guis. Who could be mafia?

your list is okay, aside from ruxxar.

Is he on my list? The only reason he is on is because Calix magically is not voting him, and he is not voting Calix.

And this little part of me who wants to believe people are not full on fuckers and are correct on Ruxxar.

I think if you lynch into list of

Jock
Calix
disformation
Holyflare
iGrok

town almost 100% wins. Maybe there is sneaky mafia in ruxxar or artanis or bugs but i don't really believe it.


?????? ??
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 13:45 GMT
#1426
On May 21 2019 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also HF can easily be mafia.


0% true and you know it
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 21 2019 14:02 GMT
#1442
On May 21 2019 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Look HF, do you really think i am a reasonable lynch today?


I never said you were? I said you'd be a dumb lynch but not an awful one just because you are being an obstinate twat. I think you look more towny recently if anything.
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