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man I might actually be right here
ruxxar put up a weak front when responding to me and then just disappeared, while everyone else has just gone on to talk about all sorts of other things. Koshi's entrance and almost every entrance since then (like Artanis's) just make it easier for him to continue hiding. He's still the best lynch here. disformation's response isn't completely awful, and Conversion's response to Jock feels a bit overblown but it's easier to ignore him for now and let him calm down a bit because it reduces variance.
On May 20 2019 22:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 22:35 Holyflare wrote:On May 20 2019 22:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 20 2019 22:07 Holyflare wrote:On May 20 2019 22:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 20 2019 00:57 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 19 2019 23:32 Calix wrote:While I can see where you're coming from with wanting to avoid a flame war, I don't think disregarding players as lynch candidates [even if only temporary] is a good idea just because they MIGHT act like shitters  And if they will do that then better to get it out of the way IMO. This really just makes it sound like you want to lynch townies. I really don't like the feels. [2] Can you explain how this shows Calix wants to lynch townies? "better to get it out of the way" suggests not actually thinking they'll flip scum to me. The tone of the post in general doesn't suggest that she thinks they'll likely flip scum, which when juxtaposed with her Rayn position doesn't make a whole lotta sense. You realise this means get their tantrum out of the way not lynch them right? That's not how I read it and I'm not sure how you got there.
this is to everyone, but mostly you and VE because you are the ones asserting this:
rather than assume what Calix is saying why not just get Calix to say it directly? Nitpicking someone is not a great way to establish their alignment
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On May 20 2019 23:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I can't understand WBG's read progressions. Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 07:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also why are we trying to kill iGrok while he said he’s on a plane?
I think his vote post is strange but it’s equally strange to try to pressure/kill someone who up front said they’re not going to be here for a while. It accomplishes very little and inevitably iGrok will just come back and complain for being voted while afk regardless of alignment. Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 07:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
I’m 100% down to kill ruxxar based on that single post alone btw What makes iGrok's vote just weird and RuXxar bad?
iGrok's vote is weird because it's singularly based on the role breadcrumbing. I already explained this in detail in a previous post so I'm just going to quote myself:
On May 20 2019 16:28 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 16:21 Holyflare wrote:On May 20 2019 16:18 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 20 2019 16:18 Holyflare wrote:
Jock I suggest moving away from rayn and forming opinions on other people. Rayn is a big time sink and the only thing that will change his mind is by playing townie. Yeah my previous post says as much. I'm finished with that unless he keeps on at me about it. What do you think of conversion? I think your post has a lot of merit, it's flaky and apologetic when it doesn't need to be. Like it a lot better than whatever people are posting about ruxxar because I don't think ruxxar looks too bad tbh. I don't like how bugs has essentially discounted iGrok and solely talked about VE's points and not mine and then given iGrok an afk excuse pass. If your point on iGrok is that he’s scummy because his only reason for voting rayn was the host thing, then yes, I disagree with that point. Back when I was fairly new to the forum (and iGrok used to play as well) we’d kill people over slips like that and I think there was an impression that it was a fairly effective way to find scum. I think there have been several games in which someone got screwed by role breadcrumbing, to the point where it got banned. I never thought it was a reliable way to catch scum but lots of people disagreed with me, and given iGrok’s tenure I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s in that camp. I’m giving him a pass because I don’t think lynching him has high value prop here. Like I said earlier he really doesn’t look all that different to me than Rels did last game. OTOH several other players look worse to me based on post content, notably ruxxar, disformation, and conversion.
On May 20 2019 23:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 08:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright I’m officially putting rayn in the ignore pile.
Also I don’t know how anyone can say they are 100% sure on reading Jock either way, especially someone who played last game and witnessed us mislynch him in the presence of virtually identical rhetoric WBG indicates he feels Jock is playing virtually identically to last game. Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 14:06 wherebugsgo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 20 2019 13:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Honestly bugs as the person who linked the ruxxar post you jumped on as a vote im not going to "sheep you" hes already on my fucking mafia list for his shit. Fuck, his re entry to this thread is also disgustingly bad since then.
between him and Calix I think we have a guarenteed mafia (possibly 2, not ruling it out).
Disinformation really needs to step it up, but based on day 1 screams scum as of the moment. sorry I actually completely missed the fact that you were on ruxxar even though when I just reread now I remembered those posts. But since we're in agreement let's vote together  I can see some merit for wanting to kill Calix but I also see lots of reasons not to kill Calix. IIRC Calix played similar to this when I was scum and Calix was town about a year ago, even did something similar with that colour shading of names (hands up for any of you calling Calix scum, if you thought that particular detail was scummy) and does not seem to be afraid to put up some resistance here. Calix also I think is an asset if town and I don't want to kill potential assets on d1. Now. I know you all hate Rayn for screaming at the top of his lungs about killing jock. You both have (VE and Bugs) has said nothing strikes you as strange however. After reading https://tl.net/forum/mafia/544405-fibonacci-mafia?user=JockmcplopI am a little suspect. Not going to say hes a priority as of right now, but there is a shot of a real hit based purely on this. I find it unlikely (not impossible) that someone could roll town 3 games in a row and completely change their playstyle 3 games in a row. I don't quite understand what that game has to do with this one. I also don't follow your logic on rolling town 3 games in a row and changing his playstyle 3 games in a row. Here's what's given: 1. We know he changed his playstyle twice already. If anything this just tells us that he's willing to try different things and it's hard to say if this is alignment indicative 2. Last game, he got mislynched because people jumped on him for changing his style and couldn't read him properly, thought he was scum based on him being a bit too abrasive on d1 and not providing any real reads. 3. From the postgame, he admitted he was trying something out and he'll not do that again the next game. I don't remember if he mentioned why he changed his style in the first place, but perhaps he thought that his original approach just didn't work for whatever reason, changed it once, that failed, so now third time's the charm. Collectively our record on meta has been pretty trash so I think there need to be better reasons for wanting to kill Jock than this for me to be convinced. WBG, can you explain in what way his rhetoric is the same yet his playstyle is different? To me, this reads like you're appeasing BC's reasons for his read despite them at the very least somewhat disagreeing your assertion. You then throw shade on your own opinions as well. What's going on here?
in the presence of identical rhetoric == what other people are saying about Jock. Last game half the game jumped on his ass almost out of the gate on day 1 because his style changed, and I started seeing elements of that here as well, particularly from rayn. I myself eventually participated in mislynching Jock last game because I ended up not liking Jock's responses to me.
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anyway, we're 100% not lynching Calix today. I think we should encourage Calix to get in here and post actual opinions though, because the more that Calix posts the quicker we can come to a conclusion. That's best for everyone.
I don't believe nitpicking is an effective scumhunting tactic because it opens up an opportunity for the target to respond in a fairly emotional manner as either alignment. and this makes reading them harder. Much more effective would be to actually get Calix to commit to some reads and opinions so that we can see what makes sense and what doesn't; the players who are actively trying to figure out the game and don't have completely whacky opinions and progressions will end up being town.
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On May 20 2019 23:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 23:13 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 20 2019 23:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I can't understand WBG's read progressions. On May 20 2019 07:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also why are we trying to kill iGrok while he said he’s on a plane?
I think his vote post is strange but it’s equally strange to try to pressure/kill someone who up front said they’re not going to be here for a while. It accomplishes very little and inevitably iGrok will just come back and complain for being voted while afk regardless of alignment. On May 20 2019 07:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
I’m 100% down to kill ruxxar based on that single post alone btw What makes iGrok's vote just weird and RuXxar bad? iGrok's vote is weird because it's singularly based on the role breadcrumbing. I already explained this in detail in a previous post so I'm just going to quote myself: On May 20 2019 16:28 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 20 2019 16:21 Holyflare wrote:On May 20 2019 16:18 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 20 2019 16:18 Holyflare wrote:
Jock I suggest moving away from rayn and forming opinions on other people. Rayn is a big time sink and the only thing that will change his mind is by playing townie. Yeah my previous post says as much. I'm finished with that unless he keeps on at me about it. What do you think of conversion? I think your post has a lot of merit, it's flaky and apologetic when it doesn't need to be. Like it a lot better than whatever people are posting about ruxxar because I don't think ruxxar looks too bad tbh. I don't like how bugs has essentially discounted iGrok and solely talked about VE's points and not mine and then given iGrok an afk excuse pass. If your point on iGrok is that he’s scummy because his only reason for voting rayn was the host thing, then yes, I disagree with that point. Back when I was fairly new to the forum (and iGrok used to play as well) we’d kill people over slips like that and I think there was an impression that it was a fairly effective way to find scum. I think there have been several games in which someone got screwed by role breadcrumbing, to the point where it got banned. I never thought it was a reliable way to catch scum but lots of people disagreed with me, and given iGrok’s tenure I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s in that camp. I’m giving him a pass because I don’t think lynching him has high value prop here. Like I said earlier he really doesn’t look all that different to me than Rels did last game. OTOH several other players look worse to me based on post content, notably ruxxar, disformation, and conversion. On May 20 2019 23:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also On May 20 2019 08:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright I’m officially putting rayn in the ignore pile.
Also I don’t know how anyone can say they are 100% sure on reading Jock either way, especially someone who played last game and witnessed us mislynch him in the presence of virtually identical rhetoric WBG indicates he feels Jock is playing virtually identically to last game. On May 20 2019 14:06 wherebugsgo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 20 2019 13:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Honestly bugs as the person who linked the ruxxar post you jumped on as a vote im not going to "sheep you" hes already on my fucking mafia list for his shit. Fuck, his re entry to this thread is also disgustingly bad since then.
between him and Calix I think we have a guarenteed mafia (possibly 2, not ruling it out).
Disinformation really needs to step it up, but based on day 1 screams scum as of the moment. sorry I actually completely missed the fact that you were on ruxxar even though when I just reread now I remembered those posts. But since we're in agreement let's vote together I can see some merit for wanting to kill Calix but I also see lots of reasons not to kill Calix. IIRC Calix played similar to this when I was scum and Calix was town about a year ago, even did something similar with that colour shading of names (hands up for any of you calling Calix scum, if you thought that particular detail was scummy) and does not seem to be afraid to put up some resistance here. Calix also I think is an asset if town and I don't want to kill potential assets on d1. Now. I know you all hate Rayn for screaming at the top of his lungs about killing jock. You both have (VE and Bugs) has said nothing strikes you as strange however. After reading https://tl.net/forum/mafia/544405-fibonacci-mafia?user=JockmcplopI am a little suspect. Not going to say hes a priority as of right now, but there is a shot of a real hit based purely on this. I find it unlikely (not impossible) that someone could roll town 3 games in a row and completely change their playstyle 3 games in a row. I don't quite understand what that game has to do with this one. I also don't follow your logic on rolling town 3 games in a row and changing his playstyle 3 games in a row. Here's what's given: 1. We know he changed his playstyle twice already. If anything this just tells us that he's willing to try different things and it's hard to say if this is alignment indicative 2. Last game, he got mislynched because people jumped on him for changing his style and couldn't read him properly, thought he was scum based on him being a bit too abrasive on d1 and not providing any real reads. 3. From the postgame, he admitted he was trying something out and he'll not do that again the next game. I don't remember if he mentioned why he changed his style in the first place, but perhaps he thought that his original approach just didn't work for whatever reason, changed it once, that failed, so now third time's the charm. Collectively our record on meta has been pretty trash so I think there need to be better reasons for wanting to kill Jock than this for me to be convinced. WBG, can you explain in what way his rhetoric is the same yet his playstyle is different? To me, this reads like you're appeasing BC's reasons for his read despite them at the very least somewhat disagreeing your assertion. You then throw shade on your own opinions as well. What's going on here? in the presence of identical rhetoric == what other people are saying about Jock. Last game half the game jumped on his ass almost out of the gate on day 1 because his style changed, and I started seeing elements of that here as well, particularly from rayn. I myself eventually participated in mislynching Jock last game because I ended up not liking Jock's responses to me. So you're stating that whilst Jock's approach to the game is differently, it's the manner in which people respond to him that's the same? I'm not sure how that is a relevant point as it has no relevance on his alignment. How do you feel he's playing this game compared to previous games and why do you feel so solid in townreading him now?
it does have relevance on his alignment, because if he's changed his alignment several times and people are saying that's a reason to call him scum, why wouldn't I call that out? I thought that BC was saying that Jock looks scummier for changing his style in this game, for the third time in a row, so I wanted to cut that off because I thought it's a bad argument; I think it's not alignment indicative especially because Jock said in post-game that he was intending on trying out new things again. Granted, BC clarified and said he was just saying he wants to keep Jock on a watchlist for the style change so this really doesn't mean much at this point.
I'm confident in townreading him because 1. he caught at least one thing I purposely let go and didn't point out myself to see if others would catch onto the same ideas and 2. based on several things he's said and done in thread it genuinely seems to me like he's trying to figure out the game. I honestly don't really care about comparing Jock's play to past games because I already feel like I can read him from his posts in this game alone. I only use meta when I have a certain hunch about some particular behaviour that a player is exhibiting and I want to figure out whether that lies more often in their town vs scum game.
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On May 20 2019 23:26 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 23:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway, we're 100% not lynching Calix today. I think we should encourage Calix to get in here and post actual opinions though, because the more that Calix posts the quicker we can come to a conclusion. That's best for everyone.
I don't believe nitpicking is an effective scumhunting tactic because it opens up an opportunity for the target to respond in a fairly emotional manner as either alignment. and this makes reading them harder. Much more effective would be to actually get Calix to commit to some reads and opinions so that we can see what makes sense and what doesn't; the players who are actively trying to figure out the game and don't have completely whacky opinions and progressions will end up being town. Why are you so against lynching me anyway? I cannot recall you giving any reasons to town-read me.
I was pretty open to letting people talk about why they want to kill you but I've decided that there's been enough time and at this point the arguments are getting worse and not better, so I want to funnel the discussion toward other people who are more likely to flip scum d1 than you.
On May 20 2019 14:06 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 13:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Honestly bugs as the person who linked the ruxxar post you jumped on as a vote im not going to "sheep you" hes already on my fucking mafia list for his shit. Fuck, his re entry to this thread is also disgustingly bad since then.
between him and Calix I think we have a guarenteed mafia (possibly 2, not ruling it out).
Disinformation really needs to step it up, but based on day 1 screams scum as of the moment. sorry I actually completely missed the fact that you were on ruxxar even though when I just reread now I remembered those posts. But since we're in agreement let's vote together I can see some merit for wanting to kill Calix but I also see lots of reasons not to kill Calix. IIRC Calix played similar to this when I was scum and Calix was town about a year ago, even did something similar with that colour shading of names (hands up for any of you calling Calix scum, if you thought that particular detail was scummy) and does not seem to be afraid to put up some resistance here. Calix also I think is an asset if town and I don't want to kill potential assets on d1.
On May 20 2019 19:53 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 19:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
But you've both stated willingness to lynch Calix? Am I misremembering that too? I'm willing to let other people consider it. I don't have reasons of my own to kill Calix though. Really I want to see if people can come up with decent arguments to kill Calix, or if it's just a push by scum.
Also I think no one actually read this post of mine or it got buried for whatever reason:
On May 20 2019 12:41 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 12:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Then ya I mostly can't help in that regard...I've been almost as absent as you lately. All of the names you listed I have been able to get a read on one way or another in games past or I don't remember playing with them and don't specifically recall if they tended to lurk or not. That their activity in this game is less isn't indicative one way or another to me. my question isn't hinging on past games, I'm asking you to rank them based on their play this game, and based on their play in this game do you think they are lurking/thread skimming/whatever. If you think some number of players fit into that category, however neat, well, or poorly defined that category might be for you, it's important to me esp for day 1 because I think day 1 lynches tend to be very low hit rate and I would rather give a lot of the players in this game time to develop their reads and post enough to reduce the variability that we just hit them on an off day or whatever, especially after we saw what happened last game. Since I feel you're being a bit difficult, I'm going to work out my thoughts for you and put them in a spoiler. If you really think this is a waste of time then go ahead and read the spoiler before responding but I'm trusting you on honor that you'll take my word for it and give your thoughts before getting your opinion tainted by mine. + Show Spoiler +
Like just on reputation and posting we've seen so far I wouldn't lynch you, BC, HF, rayn, Artanis, Calix, or Jock today. Of the remaining players at this very moment I'd rule out Koshi because of absence and I don't see anything wrong with Conversion's posts.
That leaves 3 players on my lynch list for d1:
iGrok
disformation
ruxxar
There is already evidence for iGrok being low on time. Based on what little he's posted so far, this smells exactly the same to me as the Rels lynch from last game. I don't agree on your post about him saying he's "also" friendly because it reads a lot into a single word, and I believe the host business is not alignment indicative. Those are literally the only two pieces of info to go off, so I think moving him from the 25% baseline is not warranted; I'm willing to put him aside along with Koshi.
disformation vs ruxxar, I have a strong preference for killing ruxxar because disformation's posts to some degree indicated attempts at trying to figure out the game. He responded to direct questions and he provided a reasonable interpretation of Jock's posts. There are things that might be fishy in his posts but again, low information content, and to me the information that is there indicates town rather than scum. For ruxxar this is not the case, just refer to my previous post on that matter.
Based on recent thread events I no longer want to consider disformation for a lynch, and I'm not very convinced on conversion either. This just leaves ruxxar, who didn't really respond to things, muddied my credibility by saying that I'm preachy and that I sound like his scum game (and then he disappeared shortly after I asked him to point out this similarity with an example) and has been chainsaw defended for hours despite having done nothing defense-worthy.
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VE, Jock, Artanis, Calix can you guys stop fighting??? it's not actually getting us closer to solving the game.
If you're all town, then please work with me and each other. I'm about to peace off to bed soon but bring the focus back to ruxxar and disformation where it belongs. My stances are pretty clear, just go read my posts. And, if you have your doubts on me being town at this point then honestly I don't know what to tell you.
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On May 20 2019 23:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
I would probably kill any of HF/Bugs simply for saying I'm not as strongly town as last game.
Get fukt boyz.
VE this is honestly not helping
if you want me to get a stronger town read on you then stop flamebaiting Jock and help restore some order.
Like you of all people should know that this:
On May 20 2019 17:51 Fecalfeast wrote:
Day One Vote Count
iGrok (2): VisceraEyes, Holyflare
RuXxar (2): Wherebugsgo, BloodyC0bbler
Raynpelikoneet (1): Holyflare, Wherebugsgo, Jockmcplop, Calix
Wherebugsgo (1): Artanis[Xp], VisceraEyes
Calix (1): RuXxar, Raynpelikoneet
Jockmcplop (1): Raynpelikoneet
conversion(1): Jockmcplop
Disformation (1): Conversion
Holyflare (0): Conversion
Not voting (3): Koshi, iGrok, Disformation
iGrok is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, May 22 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
is not a good look ATM.
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On May 20 2019 23:38 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 23:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
VE, Jock, Artanis, Calix can you guys stop fighting??? it's not actually getting us closer to solving the game.
If you're all town, then please work with me and each other. I'm about to peace off to bed soon but bring the focus back to ruxxar and disformation where it belongs. My stances are pretty clear, just go read my posts. And, if you have your doubts on me being town at this point then honestly I don't know what to tell you. You could say that we need to town confirm each other before we can even start trying solve the game together, right?
you could make the argument that people fighting each other like that are more likely to be town, and I would agree, but I think there are much better ways of solving the game that don't involve destroying the thread.
I'm trying to consolidate votes because I think that is the better way. People can't seem to vote together right now (look at the vote count) and the thread-talk is not progressing in a fruitful direction. This kinda sucks to me because actually I think we have a pretty great lynch in ruxxar. I wouldn't mind killing Koshi either especially because it would reduce even more of the thread noise but I doubt I'll get much support for that at this point.
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On May 20 2019 23:42 disformation wrote:u have... like a case or something? most solid mention on wbg in your filter is like: Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 19:38 Koshi wrote:On May 20 2019 16:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
koshi i'm really not getting scum vibes from WBG except for that one early bit where he gave towncred to hf but he kinda backed up on that a bit later iirc.
Is this because you are posting bit by bit as you read the first pages or do you think WBG is sucm? Wbg is playing thread police and pushing the lynch onto a place it should never go. He claims Calix is mafia but wants to lynch Ruxxar. That is the most retarded thing ever because Ruxxar is only mafia if he decided to hard buss Calix. All other cases he is tip top town. I should read the player list but lynch should almost always go into Calix or a lurker. Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 20:49 Koshi wrote:
Wbg is probably mafia for pushing me to vote Calix.
Come vote ruxxar with me. We can either ignore Koshi or kill him and I think the latter is not happening today. Better to ignore him as he's not in a very explainy mood this game.
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On May 20 2019 23:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not flamebaiting Jock if anything he's flamebaiting me. He's saying patently untrue things about my filter in a way that I can only assume is malicious given the loads of evidence I provided to the contrary. I have to try and decide if I think he's mafia for it now, which was annoying because I thought he was town before.
no, you don't, because I'm not jumping to lynch Jock today and you figuring out Jock's alignment on d1 is not the most important thing you could be doing at this very moment.
This is why, even though I do townread you, it's not as strong as I did last game d2, because you're a smart player and a good town player, and in this situation should realize that 1.) a Jock lynch is not happening on d1 when we have much better lynches, 2.) your own judgment is being clouded by him trying to figure out the game in a way that doesn't jive with you, and 3.) the thing we need to do most urgently is bring the thread back to order.
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conversion I support you and would like to invite you to my town circle
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On May 20 2019 23:52 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 23:50 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 20 2019 23:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not flamebaiting Jock if anything he's flamebaiting me. He's saying patently untrue things about my filter in a way that I can only assume is malicious given the loads of evidence I provided to the contrary. I have to try and decide if I think he's mafia for it now, which was annoying because I thought he was town before. no, you don't, because I'm not jumping to lynch Jock today and you figuring out Jock's alignment on d1 is not the most important thing you could be doing at this very moment. This is why, even though I do townread you, it's not as strong as I did last game d2, because you're a smart player and a good town player, and in this situation should realize that 1.) a Jock lynch is not happening on d1 when we have much better lynches, 2.) your own judgment is being clouded by him trying to figure out the game in a way that doesn't jive with you, and 3.) the thing we need to do most urgently is bring the thread back to order. Again with this no true scotsman bullshit - just because I'm not agreeing with your consolidation targets doesn't make me less town. Also my judgement isn't clouded, rayn has a case on him I don't wholly DISAGREE with, and him coming in here saying untrue things about me makes his mafia equity SKYROCKET for me. And with rayn on Jock he's just as viable as MY LEADING IGROK wagon at the very least. So no, I'm not buying this "You're only town if you do what I tell you" bullshit.
you should step back and reread my post again, because you're jumping to conclusions that are not making sense. Also lol @ leading wagon on iGrok, I literally just quoted the vote count. Regardless of that being technically correct I don't think you actually seriously believe that when four players are tied at two votes apiece.
Also, him saying supposedly untrue things about you isn't a good enough reason to discard the vast amount of things Jock has done that make him look town. I know you know that, you just sound tilted for some weird reason.
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On May 20 2019 23:54 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 23:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
conversion I support you and would like to invite you to my town circle What's conversion done to make you think he's town?
his tone, and that he's one of the very few people in this game who has kept their eye on the prize and forced the conversation back to the lynch target of choice.
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On May 21 2019 00:00 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 23:56 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 20 2019 23:55 Conversion wrote:
The only thing I'd comment on is that I do not think Jock is mafia, and I think he is even less mafia if disfo flips mafia. either that or Jock made a huge misstep in poorly defending disformation I've not really tried to defend disfo as far as i remember. I jsut think you are more likely to be mafia form what i've read so far. Doesn't mean I think disfo is town. I'm going to make one comment to you, and then ignore you for the rest of the day. reasons why are below: 1) you are stumbling trying to make points on different people, and you are misconstruing a lot of people's stances. 2) I have 0 idea why you think me pushing of disformation is more scummy than me when he still has not posted anything on what he thinks the relative state of the game is
and again
anyway Calix & Jock you should consolidate because we're not lynching Conversion today. Also Jock just FYI that I read you as town and I think your intentions seem good but if you continue doing what you've been doing I think you're eventually going to get lynched because you post a lot without thinking through the consequences.
For instance, what is the purpose of attacking VE if you're trying to convince people that Conversion is scum? It dilutes the point of your message and makes people less likely to listen to you, especially if your points are off the mark. I know this cause I suffer from it a lot myself :p
with that said you should vote ruxxar because he's the best lynch
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On May 21 2019 00:05 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 00:00 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 20 2019 23:54 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 20 2019 23:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
conversion I support you and would like to invite you to my town circle What's conversion done to make you think he's town? his tone, and that he's one of the very few people in this game who has kept their eye on the prize and forced the conversation back to the lynch target of choice. what was your read on jock again? i think he was in your town circle? cause he is doing the exact opposite of that imo.
he's town. If you think scum Jock would randomly start attacking VE and bring all sorts of attention to himself in the process, at a time where the thread has already gone to shit and all he'd have to do is sit back, then I don't know what to tell you.
In this situation what I expect a lot of scum to do is to put up token resistance if suspected and then disappear. That's exactly what ruxxar did.
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On May 21 2019 00:09 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 00:05 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 00:00 Conversion wrote:On May 20 2019 23:56 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 20 2019 23:55 Conversion wrote:
The only thing I'd comment on is that I do not think Jock is mafia, and I think he is even less mafia if disfo flips mafia. either that or Jock made a huge misstep in poorly defending disformation I've not really tried to defend disfo as far as i remember. I jsut think you are more likely to be mafia form what i've read so far. Doesn't mean I think disfo is town. I'm going to make one comment to you, and then ignore you for the rest of the day. reasons why are below: 1) you are stumbling trying to make points on different people, and you are misconstruing a lot of people's stances. 2) I have 0 idea why you think me pushing of disformation is more scummy than me when he still has not posted anything on what he thinks the relative state of the game is and again anyway Calix & Jock you should consolidate because we're not lynching Conversion today. Also Jock just FYI that I read you as town and I think your intentions seem good but if you continue doing what you've been doing I think you're eventually going to get lynched because you post a lot without thinking through the consequences. For instance, what is the purpose of attacking VE if you're trying to convince people that Conversion is scum? It dilutes the point of your message and makes people less likely to listen to you, especially if your points are off the mark. I know this cause I suffer from it a lot myself :p with that said you should vote ruxxar because he's the best lynch Yeah that's a fair point to be honest. I'm trying to contribute as much as I can to the thread but I can see why it comes off as unfocused. Its day 1 though, so I'm kinda flailing around a bit trying to get the lay of the land. Who do you think I should consolidate on to? I could go for a ruxxar lynch or even disinfo at a push, but I'd rather lynch conversion given the choice. What makes you think 'we're not lynching conversion today'?
we're not lynching conversion because 1. his responses of frustration have seemed fairly genuine, 2. despite being attacked he continues to push his lynch of choice in a way that is consistent with him being town, and 3. he has made observations that I think scum would not bother making, such as this one:
On May 20 2019 08:34 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 06:58 Holyflare wrote:
If I had to rate people based on being robotic I'd probably have a list of:
Calix
iGrok
Bugs
Then there's just like:
Koshi
Conversion
Disfo(???? maybe not ????)
probably a good list for day 1 to look at tbh koshi literally has no posts and lazily plays all the time why is he on the list
This of course doesn't eliminate the possibility he's scum, just that I think it makes it less likely than several other players. Day 1 tends to be a crapshoot so I think having high confidence is key. If a player has several points in favour of them being town, I think they make a bad day 1 lynch.
Similarly, by those same metrics ruxxar is the best lynch, because there are no town points in his favour; e.g. there is no indication that he is trying to figure out the game nor actually get his target lynched, and there are good reasons already mentioned to consider him scum.
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On May 21 2019 00:20 ruXxar wrote:
ya know, i gotta give you credit for tunneling hard bugs, at least youre trying.
im home now so i can answer any questions you have.
On May 20 2019 16:01 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 15:55 ruXxar wrote:
I do the same shit when im mafia, playing the “knowitlall good guy mafiiso armchair hunter #1” Then please go ahead and point out such a post in a past scum game of yours. It shouldn't be terribly hard for you to do that if you're telling the truth.
Feel free to explain at this point who you'd kill and why. I have my doubts you'll make much sense, though.
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I'm off to bed now. ruxxar's come back so hopefully he can clear up his alignment for us. I'm not hopeful either way
On May 21 2019 00:21 disformation wrote:
fuck flood control...
@ conv:
i think also wanted to know if you think jock is pants on head town or scum from your pov.
btw do you intend on providing any opinions or only asking questions this game?
What player would you kill right now and why?
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Someone is going to have to explain why they think ruxxar became townier with his responses cause I’m not really seeing it. He came back and basically posted a few things that made absolutely no sense (why does he think one of Calix/conversion is scum??) with no particular read progression-he even claimed he read the thread and the only thing that really changed is that he now town reads Koshi.
He also pulled a second disappearing act as people are fighting over Calix again. Why is this such a hard lynch?
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On May 21 2019 01:53 Holyflare wrote:
I'll read ruxxar. His posts strike me as the most gap filler at the moment.
You need to follow up on this now or I’m booting you from my town circle
You say you find it weird that I “defended” iGrok when it’s more like I provided the only valid perspective that isn’t completely coloured by “he used a bad reason for the only thug he’s done so he’s scum”. I find it weird that even now he’s the only person you’re willing to kill.
ruxxar is clearly actively lurking, he basically admitted it twice. That’s more than we can say for iGrok who just straight up disappeared.
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