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Jock, here:
On May 20 2019 10:44 wherebugsgo wrote:man I hate when I'm timeboxed for decisions. I've got one I've got to make before the 27th and I'd rather just punt it for 6 months but people are impatient /rl rant Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 09:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 20 2019 08:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
I’ve got a meeting in 3 minutes.
VE, BC while I’m gone sheep me on ruxxar or explain why you don’t want to
Also define who’s a thread skimmer/lurker this game and rank them on kill priority I'm gonna pass on that one. A) You've given literally no reasoning that I can see for your vote aside from "for that one post alone" which, filtering you in isolation, I can't even see which it is. So... B) I filtered ruxxar and found that his posting seems internally consistent, and relatively comprehensive as far as "what you should know about me" posts go. It feels this side of townie to me. I'm not going to rank lurkers on kill priority, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard what are you even fucking doing? you're right, I didn't post reasons for ruxxar, mostly because I put too much faith in people actually going back to read his only post of any real substance and it being self-explanatory from his entrance. It's quite simple: Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics.
i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart.
- hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up.
- VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia.
- rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho.
- bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information.
already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix 3 things that stand out: 1. Doesn't want to lynch active people but isn't actively involved either. In fact there's almost a hidden implication that ruxxar doesn't intend to be active in that statement 2. First 5 bullets come off as "I need to post some reads so I can continue skating by so let me summarize some basics and say things others probably would agree with" 3. Calix vote justification looks forced and justification for the sake of justification. When Calix responded by saying "yeah well, it looks like that way because I'm sheeping" ruxxar's only response was to concede that the pronouns were wrong.
The tl;dr is that my read is on the basis of ruxxar’s entrance post plus his reaction to the resistance that Calix put up.
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On May 20 2019 15:28 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 15:12 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 20 2019 08:30 Conversion wrote:On May 20 2019 06:39 disformation wrote:On May 20 2019 06:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Hi disinformation. As I see you are here. Answer me!
What do you think of the quote I posted in my bigger post above? dunno if I see the point. rayn comments on some ppl (which dont look scummy to him) and jock asks if anyone looks suspicious to him. I think one would expect rayn to call people scum/mafia (like he is doing now). though. thinking about it, jock kinda ignores that rayn just gave a bunch of reads and says rayn is only defending himself and berating people. which he isnt cause he just gave reads. hmmm... don't think I like that. idk i havent played in a while but this sorta flaky thing is something that’s rather evident (like rayn just mentioned, he doesn’t take a stance really)someone correct me if that’s just how disfo plays, but i dont like pivot posts where someone goes “hmm good point but x” “this is true but y” might be personal bias against posts like that though. i’ll do a meta check once at a computer but i like my read right now WTF this is scummy. So apologetic about his read. And he has played recently - End of the World Mafia.. Bugs what do you think of this.
In so far as that post stuck out to me, I’m in agreement. My problem is that disformation is objectively not a bad lead.
I want to give the two of them more time to see whether that clears itself up and one or both of them post things that make more sense. The scummiest thing that conversion has done is call someone scum for being flaky, in a flaky way. There was the past game point that you pointed out which also stuck out to me but this is less indicative, IMO.
Btw I’m actually so happy you stepped in my town trap because now I’m more confident in my read on you. I looked at conversion’s post history to see if he had any past games after he troll voted HF, to see if he trolls in general. The last game point is one that I let slip to see if someone else would catch it
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On May 20 2019 15:50 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 15:25 wherebugsgo wrote:Jock, here: On May 20 2019 10:44 wherebugsgo wrote:man I hate when I'm timeboxed for decisions. I've got one I've got to make before the 27th and I'd rather just punt it for 6 months but people are impatient /rl rant On May 20 2019 09:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 20 2019 08:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
I’ve got a meeting in 3 minutes.
VE, BC while I’m gone sheep me on ruxxar or explain why you don’t want to
Also define who’s a thread skimmer/lurker this game and rank them on kill priority I'm gonna pass on that one. A) You've given literally no reasoning that I can see for your vote aside from "for that one post alone" which, filtering you in isolation, I can't even see which it is. So... B) I filtered ruxxar and found that his posting seems internally consistent, and relatively comprehensive as far as "what you should know about me" posts go. It feels this side of townie to me. I'm not going to rank lurkers on kill priority, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard what are you even fucking doing? you're right, I didn't post reasons for ruxxar, mostly because I put too much faith in people actually going back to read his only post of any real substance and it being self-explanatory from his entrance. It's quite simple: On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics.
i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart.
- hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up.
- VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia.
- rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho.
- bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information.
already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix 3 things that stand out: 1. Doesn't want to lynch active people but isn't actively involved either. In fact there's almost a hidden implication that ruxxar doesn't intend to be active in that statement 2. First 5 bullets come off as "I need to post some reads so I can continue skating by so let me summarize some basics and say things others probably would agree with" 3. Calix vote justification looks forced and justification for the sake of justification. When Calix responded by saying "yeah well, it looks like that way because I'm sheeping" ruxxar's only response was to concede that the pronouns were wrong. The tl;dr is that my read is on the basis of ruxxar’s entrance post plus his reaction to the resistance that Calix put up. You dont like my entry post but seem just entirely fine with calix list post. Of course you do when he calls you town lmao
Your reaction to resistance on your vote vs Calix's reaction are pretty worlds apart. Hell, even the posts themselves are pretty different. When someone cites another post as part of their rationale in a way that makes sense, and manage to do this very consistently, I find it less likely they are scum. You didn't do that, did you?
Now, what's odd is that you are calling me out for calling one list post bad, but not the other. You want me to look away from your scumminess at someone else...who according to you, did a very similar thing to you?
Anyway, enough about you. The choices I'm presenting people with that aren't you are disformation and Calix. Given that I think your reason for voting Calix isn't valid, and you just basically said both your post AND Calix's post were scummy, I'd like to hear what you think about disformation.
Failing that, talk to me about conversion's push on disformation.
If you can't do either of those things then I'll narrow the list and recommend everyone just lynch you and you only.
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On May 20 2019 15:55 ruXxar wrote:
I do the same shit when im mafia, playing the “knowitlall good guy mafiiso armchair hunter #1”
Then please go ahead and point out such a post in a past scum game of yours.
It shouldn't be terribly hard for you to do that if you're telling the truth.
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On May 20 2019 16:21 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 16:18 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 20 2019 16:18 Holyflare wrote:
Jock I suggest moving away from rayn and forming opinions on other people. Rayn is a big time sink and the only thing that will change his mind is by playing townie. Yeah my previous post says as much. I'm finished with that unless he keeps on at me about it. What do you think of conversion? I think your post has a lot of merit, it's flaky and apologetic when it doesn't need to be. Like it a lot better than whatever people are posting about ruxxar because I don't think ruxxar looks too bad tbh. I don't like how bugs has essentially discounted iGrok and solely talked about VE's points and not mine and then given iGrok an afk excuse pass.
If your point on iGrok is that he’s scummy because his only reason for voting rayn was the host thing, then yes, I disagree with that point. Back when I was fairly new to the forum (and iGrok used to play as well) we’d kill people over slips like that and I think there was an impression that it was a fairly effective way to find scum. I think there have been several games in which someone got screwed by role breadcrumbing, to the point where it got banned. I never thought it was a reliable way to catch scum but lots of people disagreed with me, and given iGrok’s tenure I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s in that camp.
I’m giving him a pass because I don’t think lynching him has high value prop here. Like I said earlier he really doesn’t look all that different to me than Rels did last game. OTOH several other players look worse to me based on post content, notably ruxxar, disformation, and conversion.
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Okay is Koshi scum again
He did the exact same thing last game LOL
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On May 20 2019 16:35 Koshi wrote:
I also deleted or not posted 1 quote because I really dislike spamming.
ROFL
Koshi I legitimately want to keep you alive just because this is hilarious
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On May 20 2019 16:42 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 16:01 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 20 2019 15:50 ruXxar wrote:On May 20 2019 15:25 wherebugsgo wrote:Jock, here: On May 20 2019 10:44 wherebugsgo wrote:man I hate when I'm timeboxed for decisions. I've got one I've got to make before the 27th and I'd rather just punt it for 6 months but people are impatient /rl rant On May 20 2019 09:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 20 2019 08:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
I’ve got a meeting in 3 minutes.
VE, BC while I’m gone sheep me on ruxxar or explain why you don’t want to
Also define who’s a thread skimmer/lurker this game and rank them on kill priority I'm gonna pass on that one. A) You've given literally no reasoning that I can see for your vote aside from "for that one post alone" which, filtering you in isolation, I can't even see which it is. So... B) I filtered ruxxar and found that his posting seems internally consistent, and relatively comprehensive as far as "what you should know about me" posts go. It feels this side of townie to me. I'm not going to rank lurkers on kill priority, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard what are you even fucking doing? you're right, I didn't post reasons for ruxxar, mostly because I put too much faith in people actually going back to read his only post of any real substance and it being self-explanatory from his entrance. It's quite simple: On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics.
i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart.
- hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up.
- VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia.
- rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho.
- bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information.
already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix 3 things that stand out: 1. Doesn't want to lynch active people but isn't actively involved either. In fact there's almost a hidden implication that ruxxar doesn't intend to be active in that statement 2. First 5 bullets come off as "I need to post some reads so I can continue skating by so let me summarize some basics and say things others probably would agree with" 3. Calix vote justification looks forced and justification for the sake of justification. When Calix responded by saying "yeah well, it looks like that way because I'm sheeping" ruxxar's only response was to concede that the pronouns were wrong. The tl;dr is that my read is on the basis of ruxxar’s entrance post plus his reaction to the resistance that Calix put up. You dont like my entry post but seem just entirely fine with calix list post. Of course you do when he calls you town lmao Your reaction to resistance on your vote vs Calix's reaction are pretty worlds apart. Hell, even the posts themselves are pretty different. When someone cites another post as part of their rationale in a way that makes sense, and manage to do this very consistently, I find it less likely they are scum. You didn't do that, did you? Now, what's odd is that you are calling me out for calling one list post bad, but not the other. You want me to look away from your scumminess at someone else...who according to you, did a very similar thing to you? Anyway, enough about you. The choices I'm presenting people with that aren't you are disformation and Calix. Given that I think your reason for voting Calix isn't valid, and you just basically said both your post AND Calix's post were scummy, I'd like to hear what you think about disformation. Failing that, talk to me about conversion's push on disformation. If you can't do either of those things then I'll narrow the list and recommend everyone just lynch you and you only. So is calix scummy or not? Make up your mind. You say im scummy for reading calix as scum, but now youre calling calix scum also. #galaxybrain
My mind is pretty made up, Calix is not scummy to me. I didn't call Calix scum even once in that post? You are calling attention to Calix for apparently, according to your own logic, making a post similar to the one you made. THAT, aka what YOU did, is scummy. I literally just said that I think your post and Calix's post are not similar.
On May 20 2019 16:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 16:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 20 2019 16:31 Jockmcplop wrote:
What does everyone think about lynching a lurker or someone that is AFK?
I know people in general on here tend to be against policy lynches like that but in the game I played as mafia the way mafia won was by literally not posting (mostly) for the first few days. Is that the standard mafia meta here?
Because if so, iGrok is a great vote.
Otherwise I wouldn't really vote for him based off what he has posted, just what he hasn't posted. So it doesn't get lost. Anyone wanna talk about lynching a lurker? given that the lurkers in this game more or less (so far) are like Disinformation Ruxxar Calix and like Conversion are in that list more or less im semi fine with that? But only because most of the people lurking thus far are people i already want to hang. If you are so unsure with the current thread trend and who to lynch id almost say rng it instead.
what do you make of ruxxar's responses to me?
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On May 20 2019 17:04 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 17:01 Holyflare wrote:
I think I currently want to lynch Koshi. He's clearly going down the side of buddying rayn which is smart and angling towards sowing discontent which is also smart but I'm not gonna fall for it. I'll see what boring conclusions he comes up with but he's chosen the wrong side of the fence. Can you point out specific posts that you feel are trying to sow discontent and how he's doing that please? Again, I need things explaining to me as if I'm a baby. It makes the game easier to play that way.
Koshi is basically shitting on me and HF and praising VE & artanis, rayn etc.
I wanna leave him alive purely cause he's hilarious but in srs we should probably just kill him
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On May 20 2019 18:10 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did. As I am just finishing the catch up so far. Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die. Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far. Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game. On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote:On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn, what was the plan behind it? No plan. I just thought it would be fun. So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead? That's really the line you're going with lol? Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do...  I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too. Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn?? It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy. Welcome to smart town. PS: also mafia reside in smart town.
On May 20 2019 17:27 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 00:49 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 20 2019 00:45 Holyflare wrote:
May actually even vote him with you. That WAS an awful lot of words to end up maybe voting him with me. :/ (He is part of dumb part of town) PS: mafia also lives in dumb part of town.
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On May 20 2019 18:53 Jockmcplop wrote:
I'll let you guys figure it out when it comes to my play. I'm trying to be transparent about my reasoning. I'm not too happy with koshi ignoring me because my points are too simplistic.
If i was mafia I'd be delighted to be put in the stupid townie bracket but honestly I jsut wnat to lynch scum and play the game cooperatively with you guys. If koshi's ignoring me he is going directly against my objective of lynching scum and is therefore anti-town at best.
Koshi if you think my reads are stupid or whatever help me read people better don't just say you're gonna ignore me cos that's just not cool.
Koshi has a good chance of being scum this game so if you're town just ignore him
With that said, I am starting to agree with you on Conversion as well.
+ Show Spoiler +let it be known that this post contains a town-trap. I hope someone figures out why i've made this link
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Koshi why is it that you don't care about Conversion? Does this mean you don't read him as either town nor scum?
Sounded like you find him easy to read normally, though.
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Koshi did you see my post? This:
Koshi why is it that you don't care about Conversion? Does this mean you don't read him as either town nor scum?
Sounded like you find him easy to read normally, though.
Also why don't you just vote Calix?
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On May 20 2019 19:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
Lemme go read the case on Calix, surely it's been posted right? Like I missed it before but I don't really believe that Bugs and BC both voting without reasoning.
what?
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On May 20 2019 19:50 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 19:49 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 20 2019 19:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
Lemme go read the case on Calix, surely it's been posted right? Like I missed it before but I don't really believe that Bugs and BC both voting without reasoning. what? Nothing forgot you were on Rux
?? BC isn't on Calix either??
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On May 20 2019 19:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
But you've both stated willingness to lynch Calix? Am I misremembering that too?
I'm willing to let other people consider it. I don't have reasons of my own to kill Calix though.
Really I want to see if people can come up with decent arguments to kill Calix, or if it's just a push by scum.
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sorry to say but I have to agree with HF here, VE. Actually until his post listing the people he considered in his town circle I would have said BC & Jock are the only ones in my circle but actually I'd be willing to include HF as well
rayn I'd consider the raging hobo who I feel bad for and occasionally give money to but he smells bad and yells a lot so I'd rather put him outside
Anyway you have a chance to be let in, don't worry. I see you knocking at that door. You'll have to help us out on koshi, conversion, and ruxxar first though. Which would you kill right now, at this very moment?
BTW HF is the Koshi bandage something you reckon we rip off now or later? He basically just said he won't stop trolling/shitting the thread up until we vote him out, and honestly given the game so far I don't see any reason for a townie, even Koshi, to blow up this hard
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On May 20 2019 20:03 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 19:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
sorry to say but I have to agree with HF here, VE. Actually until his post listing the people he considered in his town circle I would have said BC & Jock are the only ones in my circle but actually I'd be willing to include HF as well
rayn I'd consider the raging hobo who I feel bad for and occasionally give money to but he smells bad and yells a lot so I'd rather put him outside
Anyway you have a chance to be let in, don't worry. I see you knocking at that door. You'll have to help us out on koshi, conversion, and ruxxar first though. Which would you kill right now, at this very moment?
BTW HF is the Koshi bandage something you reckon we rip off now or later? He basically just said he won't stop trolling/shitting the thread up until we vote him out, and honestly given the game so far I don't see any reason for a townie, even Koshi, to blow up this hard I don't agree with your characterisation of Koshi here. He's been posting quite a lot of his thoughts and when reading them, I didn't see them as 'trolling/ shitting up the thread'.
are we even reading the same game right now
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On May 20 2019 20:07 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 20:04 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 20 2019 20:03 Calix wrote:On May 20 2019 19:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
sorry to say but I have to agree with HF here, VE. Actually until his post listing the people he considered in his town circle I would have said BC & Jock are the only ones in my circle but actually I'd be willing to include HF as well
rayn I'd consider the raging hobo who I feel bad for and occasionally give money to but he smells bad and yells a lot so I'd rather put him outside
Anyway you have a chance to be let in, don't worry. I see you knocking at that door. You'll have to help us out on koshi, conversion, and ruxxar first though. Which would you kill right now, at this very moment?
BTW HF is the Koshi bandage something you reckon we rip off now or later? He basically just said he won't stop trolling/shitting the thread up until we vote him out, and honestly given the game so far I don't see any reason for a townie, even Koshi, to blow up this hard I don't agree with your characterisation of Koshi here. He's been posting quite a lot of his thoughts and when reading them, I didn't see them as 'trolling/ shitting up the thread'. are we even reading the same game right now Apparently yes. This isn't to say I think he's town, just that I don't think the huge number of short posts he's making are AI. Which is what you were referring to in this post ^^ My main problem with him is that he's gunning so hard for my head right now and not for good reason. So it's hard for me to trust him or what he says because [if town] his view of the game is so distorted.
go read this: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/545657-uninspired-mafia?user=Koshi
and then this: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/533201-elementary-mafia?user=Koshi
And tell me if Koshi is different alignments between the two.
hint: I think you're right that the huge number of short posts are not alignment indicative.
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and in ye olde #666 where the sun never sets, Koshi proclaimed,
"wbg asked me to vote my scumread therefore he is mafia"
as the wind passed between his cheeks
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