EPTOn May 27 2019 04:35 Holyflare wrote:
I don't know what a VT is but I'm a vt
I don't know what a VT is but I'm a vt
I wouldn't know I'm a VT
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On May 27 2019 04:50 Jockmcplop wrote: Of course?!?!? What are you gonna do, give it to a vt?? lol :D you better pop that VT HF like an egg | ||
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apologies all to my play this game, please don't take anything I said seriously. | ||
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Ahahahaa agreed Fuck me indeed I’m gonna host a game so I don’t contribute to another shit show. Sorry VE, really thought you were playing for scum here, your play looked so different and I could barely follow the thread. Even not reading nearly half of the posts I could barely understand what was happening or why | ||
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On May 30 2019 15:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: N1 we frame jock and shoot Koshi N2 we frame disfo and shoot Rayn N1/N2 Rayn checks HF/Conversion and gets different right before dying. Man the crazy thing here is that if I were a cop I would have checked disfo & conv, got back “same” and then assumed they’re both town because it agreed with my gut LOL You all played well. About when iGrok was about to flip was when I started realizing that if rayn & Koshi are both town, you probably were scum too but I couldn’t place anyone else because I was so sure on VE and VE just obviously didn’t fit with anyone. There is no way I would have concluded both conv and disfo were scum here, cause I was only really even considering disfo as an option. | ||
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On May 30 2019 15:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idk where that came from? bugs made the game completely unplayable for VE. Why are you so obsessed with me? If you want to get another rise out of me for whatever it’s probably never going to happen. I just don’t see the point in even playing here if this is what the community is now, like we’re just going to casually all accept that the behaviour you displayed this game toward multiple players, regardless of their actual in-game alignments, is remotely good for the future of TL mafia. This is a big reason why I took a long break. You were even in one of my last two games. They were wins, I was happy with my play, but sad at the direction of the forum. And I will admit I was pretty much just full of rage and burnout. Now i’m Just happier staying away knowing I don’t have to try to cooperate with people like you just to try to enjoy a game I used to really love. | ||
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On May 30 2019 15:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: And what did i do that was bad? I think you just proved my point for me re: irredeemability. I’ll stop interacting with you now since it serves me no further purpose. | ||
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On May 30 2019 15:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Just come play voice with us this weekend! Voice is much more fun than Forum games and people don't get this tryhard. It's fantastic really. I’d love to play but I’m in an awkward time zone compared to everyone now and I am usually asleep or busy when others are active I think. Thank you for the invite though  Come join my game if I can post it sometime in the next week. It’ll be a good break for me since I enjoy hosting quite a lot and I promise the setup will be interesting! It’s a new type of setup I’m trying, since I used to be obsessed with mini normals and now I wanna try putting some spice into the roles | ||
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On May 30 2019 15:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm not playing a forum game for a while, and if I do it'll have to be a post restricted game. I seriously could not keep up with this game and would not have kept up with it even if I was Town. I think I would've been suspected as either alignment past D1 when the game blew up simply cause I wasn't in the flow of things. When that happens I fall off regardless. I did do a bunch of things that made me scum for sure though. Would have never afked on D3 as town if I'm lined up to die. My tone was also all kinds of wrong, and I don't think I would've forgotten disfo in any list post as town :D I did it intentionally as 'scum would never forget their teammates on a list post' in the hopes of that being used later if I flipped. The game I am hosting will be very different from this one on basic mechanics. Normal cycle lengths, silent night (so no reason to troll at night to avoid roleblocks or whatever dumb traps and reasons I came up with for doing antitown things this game at night) I intend to 100% ban multi-posting (double posting okay in selected circumstances) and I intend to give lots of reminders as well as provide a ranking of players by post count and post rate compared to baseline metrics (like say targetting 30-40 pages per cycle) so that players can hopefully moderate themselves. Also let me just say that the roles are gonna be a lot more powerful hahahaha I wanna sit back and watch some of the fireworks | ||
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On May 30 2019 15:33 Grackaroni wrote: The Grackaroni Post Game Awards Show ![[image loading]](https://media.giphy.com/media/zfuOq2rFBE7Kg/giphy.gif) Best reads goes to: + Show Spoiler + Mr BloodyC0bbler! + Show Spoiler + On May 25 2019 20:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: 1. To BC: do you agree with the case on iGrok? I see some merit in it, but I also feel like its somewhat fabricated. Everything of Igrok I see comes off as townish for the most part. My biggest issue is that Koshi is hard town reading him. 2. To both of you: can you again provide a list of all your reads? Town BC Bugs VE(i know right) Null to lean town HF Rayn Igrok Jock Null to Lean Mafia Koshi Conversion Mafia Artanis Calix Disinformation Post with the most potential for solving the game goes to: + Show Spoiler + Ms. Calix! + Show Spoiler + On May 27 2019 17:07 Calix wrote: As for D2, I still think his Artanis switch from this: "definitely looks less towny than BC...generally his entire filter looked good...only thing about this is I don't QUITE particularly think BC was being aggressive" to having Artanis as "probably scum" and: Where did this confidence in mafia!Artanis come from? This post would suggest he wasn't aware of anything Artanis had posted in the meantime. Then Conversion talks a bunch about iGrok and how bad he looks. But still wants Artanis dead more. Not entirely clear whether he thinks both could be mafia or whatnot. This post stood out to me as scummy because of how inconclusive it is: He proposes some explanations for why mafia!iGrok is doing what he is doing. Seems to think both Artanis/ iGrok are mafia. But his second question poses an idea that seems to dent the mafia iGrok/ Artanis idea. Yet Conversion never really goes anywhere with this. @Conversion, would you mind giving me the lowdown of your thought process at EOD1 and why you became more certain that Artanis is mafia, please? (I have read your filter but I am still asking anyway so don't blow me off) As a side note, Conversion was very skeptical of a mafia Artanis/ BC team because of their weird double OMGUS/ bussing thing. My two pence on that matter is that a lot of the BC/ Artanis stuff happened when neither of them were under much pressure and their double OMGUS/ scum-read stuff is weird AF. BC's overreaction to Artanis' scum read especially. But I think the best argument against BC/ Artanis is Artanis popping into the thread at EOD1 with a huge case on BC. This was at a time when sentiment was against BC so he could have actually died there. That would be pretty weird for a mafia to do to another mafia when you could've just settled for a ML, lol. Town MVP goes to: + Show Spoiler + ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Mafia MVP goes to: + Show Spoiler + Mr. Holyflare! + Show Spoiler + Conversion 05-24-2019 09:11 AM ET (US) wowza! that iGrok momentum. thanks HF! Case I most agreed with goes to: + Show Spoiler + Mr. Jock! + Show Spoiler + On May 26 2019 06:08 Jockmcplop wrote: Conversion he's either doing the BC scumpost thing because he hasn't given us an obvious enough scumtell yet or trying to get a reaction. It looks ridiculous if you read it though lol. WHY IS EVERYONE POSTING SO MUCH AND WHY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T POSTING NOT POSTING AND WHY IS EVERYONE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE MAFIA ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH Biggest tilt goes to: + Show Spoiler + Mr. VE! + Show Spoiler + On May 25 2019 04:22 VisceraEyes wrote: The things Bugs is accusing me of do not make me mafia. Post that aged the worst goes to: + Show Spoiler + Mr. Bugs! + Show Spoiler + On May 26 2019 09:35 wherebugsgo wrote: well you aren't fucking reading Artanis either so you can die. I think you have to die and see this in postgame to understand how colossally anti-town you're being here. Congratulations to the mafia team. GG thanks for playing. Ahahahaha I knew that one would come back to bite me. I was just trying to get iGrok to stop tunneling HF and they were both my townreads  Sorry to all 3 of VE, Calix, BC. I should have done more to collaborate with all 3 of you and I failed that pretty hard. I actually couldn’t read enough of the posts to even feel comfortable on any of my reads this game. | ||
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On May 30 2019 15:36 Fecalfeast wrote: I'd just like to say that this game I had a hard time opening up TL.net when I woke up because I knew I'd have 2+ PMs and a bunch of posts in my host qt. At one point I had 6 unread PMs during the whole modkill fiasco. RE: jockmcplop, I personally don't think someone should just be able to replace out because they are flustered or overwhelmed or whatever. If you play and post all game phase and place a vote but replace out it's not fair to the opposing team or anyone really to have to read 2 people in 1 slot in 1 day. If there's an emergency, of course I'll replace you if I can no questions asked. Take a step back, take a break from playing. Nobody is forcing you to post and nobody is forcing you to play. If you don't meet ingame requirements you will be modkilled/replaced but there's no banlist so if you don't want to play anymore, don't talk about it in game. Maybe let the host know you plan on quitting so they can prepare ahead of time if you feel nice. RE: host questions, I get that people have questions about mechanics and sometimes these things aren't covered in the OP. However, this game especially, I received multiple questions from multiple people whom will not be named that were either answered directly in the game rules or at least answered in the FAQ. Asking me a bunch different questions about how a roleblocker interacts with a certain role when you are neither role yourself is going to come off as angle shooting whether I answer or not. I prefer to answer every question I'm asked and maybe that's part of my problem but honestly this game made me rethink my policy on answering player questions. Seeing how many things that were talked about in PM used to formulate reads or otherwise used to 'solve' the game was disheartening. I said this maybe in obs but certainly privately to my cohosts: When people sign up for my games, I expect them to want to play mafia by interacting with other players within the context of the game. I don't expect them to try and game the hosts or use role PMs to find mafia... I was talking to my friend with whom I've played IRL mafia/werewolf with before and he likened it to playing real life werewolf with a deck of standard playing cards, realizing the host only picked red cards for the ones that represent villagers, and trying to find mafia based on that. It goes against the spirit of the game and while I realize nobody has disagreed with me on this, I feel the need to reiterate that fact. /endrant Hey FF I appreciate the feedback here. I’m actually just gonna be up front and admit I was the one asking about how RBs interact with parity cops in this game because I was trying to figure out 1. Why rayn would claim PC day 1 and 2. If he would know he got RBed based on the mechanics and whether I should be calling him scum on d2 based on it, and if he was alive d3 whether I should try to kill him. Like, the logic there was basically that you told me I could check my own gun after the night and essentially that would tell me if I was RBed or not. For an investigative, and based on the info in the thread about parity cops, it sounded like there was a difference between: Receiving no PM at all <—— this is what I thought PC being RBed would look like on n1 n2 Receiving a PM with no result <—— this was stated in the thread. What I thought no RB would look like for PC on n1 Then the problem is that the PC would not know which check was previously successful between n1 and n2 if getting a successful one on n3. So even if we had a PC that scum left alive till d3/d4 I felt we had no way to trust that claim or that it would have any use. Anyway probably not worth spending more time explaining my logic but I also would have just stopped asking if you had said to me or written in the thread that you weren’t going to answer any questions about roles other than the role of the questioner. Maybe you had said that and I missed it, my apologies regardless. Thank you for hosting and I’m sorry I got myself modkilled and ruined your game | ||
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On May 30 2019 17:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Bugs just needed to give me a gun and not get modkilled actually I tried to change my night action to send it to you but I believe it was 10 minutes before I got modkilled and they weren't counting my night action regardless I think of all the mistakes I made, fearing sending my gun to a mafia on n1 was the biggest. I should've given it to Calix like I planned on n1 and talked out the game with her because she was the only one who seemed to be willing to cooperate with people. Like really she was the best player for town in this game, and I'd say you weren't far behind. BTW I flipped my read on you so so so many times and that was a huge mistake on my part because I had a strong day 1 townread probably 24-48 hours into the game on you. Didn't mean to ignore you at all, just was overwhelmed with too many posts. I'm about to brace myself to get modkilled postgame: To: Fecalfeast [ Profile | Report ] Subject: change night action Date: 5/27/19 04:48 give gun to BloodyC0bbler | ||
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On May 31 2019 02:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh no you don't. You don't get to mis-categorize my anger. I wasn't mad at you for getting my alignment wrong. You'll notice that Calix got my alignment wrong multiple times and I never raged at her. I also wasn't mad at you for "reading me incorrectly". You weren't reading me at all, which was the infuriating part. You're generally susceptible to reason, and the fact that you made a call on my alignment without even reading or responding to what I was posting...it made me wrong. It made me either wrong about you listening to reason or it made me wrong about your alignment, and you'll notice that once you said the thing I took as a scumclaim (I play to my win condition) I quit raging about the bullshit you were accusing me of. I assumed I was just wrong on your alignment. You call my invariable presence in the thread anti-town. This is the way I play, and you among others knew that. It got me universally town-read in the last game and frankly this game too besides yourself. So your advice and others' advice is to just accept the D1 lynches for months whilst I "change my meta"? Hard pass. I have finally arrived at a style that is essentially indiscernible from my mafia play and part of it is disallowing things from happening in my absence. Rather than shoot myself in the foot and then run a marathon, I'd sooner just stick with video mafia/irl. A) no one can out-loud VE, and B) my feels based style nets better reads. I was reading you, the reason I called you scum was because of the disfo bit and pretty much that alone because it looked really bad. Had we actually talked that out d1 I think we could have killed him d1 instead of ruxxar because I would have listened to why you thought he was scum. On May 31 2019 02:14 VisceraEyes wrote: So your advice and others' advice is to just accept the D1 lynches for months whilst I "change my meta"? Hard pass. I have finally arrived at a style that is essentially indiscernible from my mafia play and part of it is disallowing things from happening in my absence. I don't have any advice for you, really, cause you're a better player than I am. From my perspective though, I can't figure out the game if you and other players are flooding the thread, so regardless of your alignment it's always in my best interest to get you killed, and I'd probably do what I did this game regardless of alignment. Last game I don't think you said anything similar to the disfo stuff even though you had quite a lot of posts there too. I think the bolded is also really important because if your mafia play basically looks the same as your town play then my take is that "this is a really good player" and if you post 25% of the posts in the game and you cannot lead a lynch to kill scum then I'll kill you because your posts seem inefficient and selfish. I think mafia is a game of cooperation and not a contest for who's better at catching scum or staying alive or whatever. e: btw on day 1 lynches if you mean that you've been lynched on day 1, not sure I really know why because I've never been lynched on day 1 essentially. I think technically 3 times in total, once because my keyboard was broken in Hammer Mini and I got insta-majority'ed, twice in heavily themed roleplaying trollfests, one where I was Chezinu and one where I was a dog. So again I have no advice here cause I do whatever I want and don't get lynched day 1 lol | ||
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