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On May 26 2019 02:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Like after all that, I'd still welcome a lynch because I think it would help town.
it'll be a silent lynch
Like if you want to do this right now, I'll make sure I coordinate everyone to lynch you, and we won't have to talk about anything really.
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On May 26 2019 02:40 wherebugsgo wrote:I'm sure you're smart enough to tell me why you and iGrok are opposite alignments here
let me just add:
if I'm 100% right about iGrok and his role, I think you fucked up the NKs/RBs pretty hard. That's a big reason why you lost, and this time you can't blame me cause I'm not on your team.
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On May 26 2019 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is never fucking mafia in this game why are you being such idiots?
feel free to explain this like all of the other reads you have explained in this game
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On May 26 2019 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2019 02:45 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 26 2019 02:40 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 26 2019 02:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Dear god... I'm sure you're smart enough to tell me why you and iGrok are opposite alignments here let me just add: if I'm 100% right about iGrok and his role, I think you fucked up the NKs/RBs pretty hard. That's a big reason why you lost, and this time you can't blame me cause I'm not on your team. Whatever. If iGrok flips mafia then pretty please read my posts after you lynch your parity cop.
wow you didn't read did you. You're smart enough to know that I know you and iGrok are opposite alignments.
So why would you make such a bad dumbtell?
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On May 26 2019 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 09:47 Holyflare wrote:
TL;DR
His early game reads are inconsistent at best. Ruxxar and disformation appear out of nowhere but even those reads don't add up. Missing other players that have done the exact same things (Conversion). I think this is a point that can actually make iGrok mafia. I aswell don't understand why he chose to write summaries on whatever people that don't arrive to anything when he actually scumread some people. I asked about this from iGrok and i don't think he ever answered. So yeah, this actually is a legit point. Show nested quote +His Ruxxar read is reportedly mafia OR bored town for being boring and doing nothing but he has actual points on Ruxxar and says bugs case against ruxxar was good. So, it's not just that ruxxar was boring is it?
His Calix read and all of his reads really, are just summaries. Nothing he says about Calix adds up to a scum read, especially the strong one he has. He adds points later to Calix that are actually things he agrees with Calix on so why does it get STRONGER after he adds those????
His read on me is so unbelievably incorrect. When questioned I forced him to provide examples and he got called out for them being wrong but when proven wrong he ignores it and still pushes the incorrect logic.
He unvoted Calix when disfo said why did hf vote calix if they're both mafia like it was some revelation (but I didn't really even ever vote her so we both could easily be mafia??) but he never really summarises this correctly.
He unvoted Calix but still called her mafia, said he would never be able to lynch me, suddenly town read Ruxxar when he was up for lynch and instead of trying to stop the wagon he argued about logic of why I was mafia out of the 3 for an hour and berated bugs for ruxxar dying and being town when he did nothing to stop it and even saved his scum read in the process. When i was reading this, especially the late D1 posting iGrok had, i was thinking to myself "why does mafia do this?". I honestly can't find any reason for mafia iGrok to do any of this unless he is protecting a teammate aka Calix. Once again, as i said earlier, if all of HF/Calix/ruxxar are town any of this doesn't make any sense from mafia iGrok perspective, like i can easily find like ten better approaches that doesn't get you scumread and you don't really even have to write BS like that. Show nested quote +He's afkd forever (allegedly will change from Friday on so excited to see what fire he brings that isn't myself or Calix).
I don't think this means anything. ------------------ Many people who play this game seem to forget about the fact that ten townie things dont necessarily mean you should write off even one scummy thing, because no fucking mafia almost ever "slips" in all of their posts. An exaggerated example would be this: "there is a red check on player X from N1, said player makes many many good posts D2, should you ignore the red check because you need to re-evaluate?" Calling someone out for "not re-evaluating their reads" is fucking stupid, because scummy things are still scummy things. I dont want to vote for anyone than Calix. I think no player in this game (discounting Jock and maybe iGrok) should townread Holyflare at the point Calix did, with or without meta backup, because at the time HF had made a fake case on me, and backed down when votes actually started piling on me. HF can easily do at as mafia, even if i was mafia, 100%. Then there is the bullshit read where Calix scumreads two dudes and then starts calling a SCUMMY THING NAI just because BOTH OF HER SCUMREADS did the same thing. That's so uber BS i dont even know what to say. I think Conversion looks like mafia for the eod1. I cba what he has posted before that or after but i can't find any other explanation for his eod1 actions other than that he is mafia and doesn't want to take a stance on a buddy. Last thing, noone should ever base their judgement on the pointlessness of "one of the blue claims having to be fake". There is simply no reason why any of us claims at the time we did as mafia, and you don't have to go further than the last game FF hosted. It had parity cop, veteran and gunsmith. So shut your fucking keyboard bugs and dont feed people this bullshit. You're on the verge of completely fucking up this game, well your shit as fuck reads are doing it too but this also.
this is another scum claim BTW rayn
Calix is never mafia here. Conversion is never mafia here.
That you even consider these two reads at this point in the game is proof you are scum by itself.
Especially when you did nothing all day to push Calix, only to show up here to shit on HF's iGrok read.
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On May 26 2019 02:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do you know i am different alignment with iGrok?
because I'm 99.9% sure I saw him breadcrumb his role and despite being scum you couldn't find it
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like come on rayn, you can't just not read the thread because you rolled scum.
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On May 26 2019 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: And what does that have to do with me and why are you not yelling he is a mislynch?
Well, if I'm a PR, and I have good reason to believe there is another PR in the game, then I'm pretty sure neither you nor Koshi are PRs.
I'm not yelling iGrok is a mislynch because there's a possibility you are actually the real power role between iGrok and rayn. I also could just be wrong about iGrok having breadcrumbed and he isn't one, but reading the thread really suggests otherwise.
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On May 26 2019 03:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Did you even read my post where i said last FF game had 3 pr's?
yep. And there are certainly not 4 here so you have to pick at least one scum.
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and you just hard defended Koshi so now you have no choice but to try a futile attempt at lynching me
and that just won't happen. Time for you to give up now.
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On May 26 2019 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I also dont believe in breadcrumbs. I also say right now that iGrok is 100% town powerrole. You can quote me on that after game.
I mean you came up with this conclusion after I did, and you're scum, so this means absolutely nothing.
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On May 26 2019 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why cant you just tell me he crumbed being cop?
because I like to see you squirm?
idk, it's nice to play with your food sometimes
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also not biting that bait btw. I don't know if he crumbed cop. HF said that and not me
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On May 26 2019 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2019 03:08 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 26 2019 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why cant you just tell me he crumbed being cop? because I like to see you squirm? idk, it's nice to play with your food sometimes I am sorry i dont have time. I am interracting with people on a bdayparty so filterdiving is a no-go.
nope. You have the 4th? 5th? most posts in this game despite afking for half of today, and I'm to believe that you have enough time to scream at everyone that Calix is mafia with 1000% certainty with no progression from your day 1 reason to vote her but not enough time to actually read iGrok's posts, the literal person being lynched right now, who you just townread like two hours ago.
nah. Get trapped scum.
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On May 26 2019 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I also dont believe in breadcrumbs. I also say right now that iGrok is 100% town powerrole. You can quote me on that after game.
On May 26 2019 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show me his breadcrumb and make me believe its a legit crumb and i will vote him. You and Koshi are not mafia anyways.
rofl
literally one minute apart. "I don't believe in breadcrumbs, he's 100% town powerrole. Quote me after" into "show me the breadcrumb and if it's legit I'll vote him"
why is a breadcrumb a mafia claim to rayn who does not believe in breadcrumbs
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On May 26 2019 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: I didnt exactly townread him wtf are you smoking?
yeah you didn't exactly townread him, you're just a townie who poo pooed HF's leading iGrok case cause you had literally nothing better to do
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On May 26 2019 03:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2019 03:23 Holyflare wrote: Why do you want his crumb and why did you say you'd vote him if he was a power role rayn wtf? Because if he "claims" to be town PR he is mafia because bugs and Koshi are not.
so all four of us are town if there is no breadcrumb?
So shouldn't you have figured out the entire scumteam by now then? We're on fucking POE at this point rayn
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On May 26 2019 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:I mean you are just super annoying rn, when i try to be reasonable. Idk why. 
I will stop antagonizing you now, I have reached full confidence that you are scum and I can go back to fully ignoring you.
Too bad I can't vote you right now otherwise Artanis might have a chance at dying. Gotta wait for all those bandwagoners to move onto you instead and make this interesting
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btw rayn one last thing before I go to bed
if iGrok dies, flipping blue, and another blue besides me comes forward
how will you defend yourself and Koshi then?
you know, just hypothetically. There'll be 5 of us then when you just let us all know there can only be 3 max!
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Alright iGrok if you aren’t about to claim jailer here then I suppose I was 100% wrong on you breadcrumbing and I suppose you can also flip any alignment. I’m actually way less confident you are town now and Koshi of all players rises in towniness. Well, that is, until you flip and we still have to flip you today. If we have an actual jailer and it’s not you though, they’re probably going to need to claim or hopefully get shot by mafia on D4 or later as VE is still essentially confirmed scum and dies D3, and if there are literally no other blues then both rayn and Koshi may be telling the truth even though they both scum slipped half a dozen times post-claims. Now of course if iGrok flips scum then I believe Koshi’s claim 100% and would lynch rayn D5 after VE, as Koshi does not look nearly as bad as rayn does, and no additional town claims necessary till D6 unless of course a jailer gets shot before then in which case Koshi goes back to essentially POEd confirmed scum.
The “breadcrumb” I saw iGrok write was his first (?) post where rather than claim he was vanilla town like VE and rayn he was merely friendly and “wearing black tie attire” and the very next post says “I only post in blue” which I found really strange. I thought the combination of these two posts suggested he was definitely not vanilla town, but then his rayn vote reason....???? Anyway the latter I thought maybe it a just a red herring, esp because it occurred after FF’s clarification on the VT role PM. Compare iGrok’s reason to voting to my voting. Occam’s razor suggests that if iGrok really believed in host shenanigans then he’s VT but he posted things talking about colours black and blue in his first two posts in the thread, following two players who claimed vanilla town. I on the other hand didn’t know what the VT PM looked like even though I voted rayn for other reasons, because I didn’t receive a VT role this game. I actually worried almost immediately after explaining my vote on rayn if scum caught the slip I made but then decided that scum don’t read the thread and didn’t worry.
Basically my slip was three posts, I called HF “confirmed town” (even though the VT role was clarified in thread by that point so it was alignment-null to attack someone on that) and told Jock to read his role PM even though my own wasn’t VT, then I explicitly said I disagreed with iGrok’s reason and found his reason strange.
I also never said I found iGrok’s reason scummy because I found three posts and between them he could have been any alignment and any role (mafia, neutral survivor balrog, or town)
If there is indeed a jailer in this game I ask that you never target myself, VE, rayn, Koshi, maybe Calix, maybe HF- let them provide their thoughts on the matter as well—for the rest of the game. I think aiming for anyone else is good because mafia will then need to shoot into this pool (probably me, HF, Calix) and confirm us OR risk a jail intersecting with their shot on Jock/conv/disfo / Artanis/BC and they will be forced to roleblock me or roleblock & kill me because they know I’m blue and have refused jailer protection, which really increases the chance of a jail attempt succeeding because it isn’t optimal play for them to aim the roleblock in the direction of the jailer. Well, maybe they think it is because another successful jail will confirm that Koshi is scum.
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