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ITT: Mafia!Conversion repeatedly refuses to give any other substantial reads, prefers to make a forced tunnel on disformation and use horrible pre-flip association 'reads' which say literally nothing since they're pre-flip.

Calix

3379 Posts

May 20 2019 15:05 GMT

#784

On May 21 2019 00:04 Conversion wrote:

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ITT: Calix piggybacks off someone's scum read and then does nothing but tunnel in on to Conversion, and instead of working to convince other people that I am scum, is happily shit-flinging the thread and not entertaining other ideas

I can make you sound like mafia too

But do you think I'm mafia?

Calix

3379 Posts

May 20 2019 15:12 GMT

#791

K, D&D nerd.

I'm not impressed but I've made my point and pushing it further won't accomplish anything productive. I'll wait for whatever it is you're doing on disformation.

Calix

3379 Posts

May 20 2019 16:00 GMT

#805

Clearly the current best case is ruxxar making a "here if you have any questions" post before fucking off.

Calix

3379 Posts

May 20 2019 16:46 GMT

#812

On May 21 2019 01:39 ruXxar wrote:

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so i spent about an hour reading through filters to refresh and condense my thoughts.
tbh my opnions didnt change much. new development being koshis entry and seeming fairly townish.
im starting to dislike jock a lot, his thread presence is annoying and erratic, i wish he would calm down and focus.
my scum read on calix remains, though i liked her post on conversion.
speaking of: im sensing some fake agression from conversion. might be tryharding to imitate town meta.
i could be swayed to vote conversion today.

Of course you'd like Koshi when he's been yelling down the house about how totes townie you are.

Disliking someone - is this a scum-read? lol

So you still think I'm mafia despite me being one of the main people scum-reading Conversion. Makes sense.

Calix

3379 Posts

May 20 2019 16:50 GMT

#816

On May 21 2019 01:49 ruXxar wrote:

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1) the koshi read is due to meta read from previous games, but sure, its not a hard read.

2) its between the two of you

Why re: question 2? I don't see what led you to think "one of Jock/ Calix is mafia"

Calix

3379 Posts

May 20 2019 16:58 GMT

#823

On May 21 2019 01:53 ruXxar wrote:

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there is no jock

My mistake.

I'm not a fan of how you're like "eh it's one of those two" without any evidence of deeper thought because it doesn't seem like you're re-evaluating to me. It's more like you realise it's inconvenient to have Calix/ Conversion as a team but don't want to take hard stances on which one of us is the more likely mafia or who else might be mafia, etc etc etc.

Calix

3379 Posts

May 20 2019 16:59 GMT

#825

On May 21 2019 01:54 disformation wrote:

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unwillingness to update ones reads in the face of new evidence is usually not town. guess that applied to conv too though...

At least Conversion MIGHT actually be tunneled though. I didn't hate his meta post as much as I thought I would. By that, I mean I can actually kinda see it come from a townie, not that I agree with it.

Calix

3379 Posts

May 20 2019 17:01 GMT

#827

On May 21 2019 01:59 ruXxar wrote:

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how could you possible interpret this to mean jock and calix? like wtf?

My sentence about Jock was the second line down. And you numbered your question with a two.

Why make this post? Do you think I intentionally made that mistake as mafia or something? lol

Calix

3379 Posts

May 20 2019 21:50 GMT

#906

On May 21 2019 06:41 Koshi wrote:
I am back to voting Calix. The most grey posts and prudent as fuck.

I am not going to change on that anymore.

She cleaned up her posts today and when I removed my suspicion nothing more came from her. That's not ok.

Final read is that she plays to survive and not to solve the puzzle.

This is the second untruth you've made against me. It's so blatantly untrue I'm not even going to bother refuting it.

I don't understand why iGrok is being talked about more than Conversion. iGrok is literally a policy lynch. Nothing else. Why not have him as a backup while voting for actual scum-reads? Then if the scum-read acts townie then we have something to fall back on as a D1 option and we don't lose anything regardless of iGrok's alignment.

Calix

3379 Posts

May 20 2019 21:52 GMT

#908

I am also happy to not kill ruxxar today. His later posts seem more 'scrub townie' than 'mafia'.

Calix

3379 Posts

May 20 2019 22:00 GMT

#916

On May 21 2019 06:56 Koshi wrote:

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It was not enough Calix.

I dont believe your first post.
I dont believe you read the thread and tinfoil both rayn and ve mafia.

I dont believe your second readpost. I dont like you townread VE there after reading his filter and not by reading the thread. The entire thing reads like you did it to safely backpaddel on the tinfoil.
I dont believe the townread on disformation there. Like come on... what is that.

I simply truly believe you are the best lynch for now. And 48 hous is long enough. No more time to make upsies.

I will read your filter again after your flip.

Oh? You 'don't believe' my posts? What a stellar argument that doesn't require any analysis whatsoever.

This post says nothing and shows no thought. I don't think you believe I'm mafia at all.

Calix

3379 Posts

May 20 2019 22:38 GMT

#925

On May 21 2019 07:34 disformation wrote:

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see thing is: i dont think it looks like either her previous town nor her previous scum games? but as i said i dont really want to meta her.
i also dont hate her for being like "imma sheep yo". tl could use a bit more sheep and a bit less ego imo.
thing that bothers me is that she is kinda around, kinda not around.
kinda jives with:

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though. dunno if her plan to survive is to call everyone who calls her mafia bad and or scum.

I'm not playing anything like any of my games so Koshi primarily scum-reading me based "she's not spamming the thread like she does when town" is so bad. It's even more nonsensical because the meta is at least a year old and my circumstances are way different now [aka busier].

Disformation, what are your scum-reads now you no longer think Ruxxar is mafia?

Calix

3379 Posts

May 20 2019 22:48 GMT

#928

I am tired myself but I'm happy to talk about whatever thoughts you have

You are pretty chill to discuss stuff with, lol.

Calix

3379 Posts

May 20 2019 22:55 GMT

#930

On May 21 2019 07:52 disformation wrote:

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On May 20 2019 14:06 wherebugsgo wrote:

On May 20 2019 13:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Honestly bugs as the person who linked the ruxxar post you jumped on as a vote im not going to "sheep you" hes already on my fucking mafia list for his shit. Fuck, his re entry to this thread is also disgustingly bad since then.

between him and Calix I think we have a guarenteed mafia (possibly 2, not ruling it out).
Disinformation really needs to step it up, but based on day 1 screams scum as of the moment.

sorry I actually completely missed the fact that you were on ruxxar even though when I just reread now I remembered those posts. But since we're in agreement let's vote together

I can see some merit for wanting to kill Calix but I also see lots of reasons not to kill Calix. IIRC Calix played similar to this when I was scum and Calix was town about a year ago, even did something similar with that colour shading of names (hands up for any of you calling Calix scum, if you thought that particular detail was scummy) and does not seem to be afraid to put up some resistance here. Calix also I think is an asset if town and I don't want to kill potential assets on d1.

Now. I know you all hate Rayn for screaming at the top of his lungs about killing jock. You both have (VE and Bugs) has said nothing strikes you as strange however. After reading

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/544405-fibonacci-mafia?user=Jockmcplop

I am a little suspect. Not going to say hes a priority as of right now, but there is a shot of a real hit based purely on this. I find it unlikely (not impossible) that someone could roll town 3 games in a row and completely change their playstyle 3 games in a row.

I don't quite understand what that game has to do with this one.

I also don't follow your logic on rolling town 3 games in a row and changing his playstyle 3 games in a row. Here's what's given:

1. We know he changed his playstyle twice already. If anything this just tells us that he's willing to try different things and it's hard to say if this is alignment indicative
2. Last game, he got mislynched because people jumped on him for changing his style and couldn't read him properly, thought he was scum based on him being a bit too abrasive on d1 and not providing any real reads.
3. From the postgame, he admitted he was trying something out and he'll not do that again the next game. I don't remember if he mentioned why he changed his style in the first place, but perhaps he thought that his original approach just didn't work for whatever reason, changed it once, that failed, so now third time's the charm.

Collectively our record on meta has been pretty trash so I think there need to be better reasons for wanting to kill Jock than this for me to be convinced.

uh wat?
isnt the part bolded by me super strange?
calix is saying she is playing way differently than before.
koshi says she isnt playing like town calix.
bugs says she is playing like town calix.

there is def something wrong here

WBG has played one game with me about a year ago (?). He was mafia. I was town. We were both alive for a while IIRC.

I've played maybe 5 times with Koshi, don't really remember. We have never been the same alignment before. Usually he is mafia and I am town.

Does that help?

Calix

3379 Posts

May 20 2019 23:02 GMT

#933

On May 21 2019 07:59 disformation wrote:

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getting kinda late here, but i can be around a bit longer.

so head kinda at:
there is something wrong in calix <> wbg <> koshi that i need to look at after ive gotten some sleep.

i think bc hasnt explained the jock reads stuff so I actually have no idea how some reads in his filter came to be, which i dont like the longer the game progresses. the last page of his filter also doesnt carry a lot of good information. liked him better earlier in the game.

Actually I have a question about BC. When I saw his post against Artanis, I thought it was weird, almost OOC, coming from him. Seemed a lot 'angrier' (for lack of a better word) than what I'd expect. (also I didn't understand the part where he says he was protecting Artanis given Artanis hasn't been under any pressure)

But I also don't know the guy at all. Is that kind of thing normal for him?

[I also haven't paid any attention to him, might go read his filter actually]

Calix

3379 Posts

May 20 2019 23:07 GMT

#937

On May 21 2019 08:05 disformation wrote:

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On May 21 2019 07:55 Calix wrote:

On May 21 2019 07:52 disformation wrote:

On May 20 2019 14:06 wherebugsgo wrote:

sorry I actually completely missed the fact that you were on ruxxar even though when I just reread now I remembered those posts. But since we're in agreement let's vote together

nah i need to double check if koshi and wbg actually make like sense. xD
like koshi is scumreading both wbg and you? and im kinda seeing his comment on wbg pushing him on calix?
not sure though. but the whole thing seems off to me.

I don't think they're mafia together, lol.

Koshi is considerably more likely mafia anyway. I noticed during the VE/ HF fight that he basically popped in and changed a bunch of scum-reads around with zero explanations. You can check for yourself. It really reeks of 'throw a dart at some names and claim they're your new scum-reads' play.

Calix

3379 Posts

May 20 2019 23:15 GMT

#941

On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.

As I am just finishing the catch up so far.

Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.

Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.

Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront

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this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.

VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far.

Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game.

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Okay I admit I haven't read all of BC's posts.

But I felt compelled to point out how bad the bolded part is.

Look at that and tell me that ISN'T the sort of post a mafia makes when trying to avoid voting for a mafia buddy.

It has everything. The structure. The inability to concisely say "he's scummy but let's wait and see". The avenues left open.

The admission that someone made a point against iGrok.

The excuses made to sidestep the point.

The 'yeah he's mafia but give him a chance' line that gives BC the option to either vote for iGrok if his posts continued to suck or town-read iGrok if his posts became good.

I didn't even scum-read either BC or iGrok before this but holy shit, this paragraph is disgusting.

Calix

3379 Posts

May 20 2019 23:23 GMT

#945

On May 21 2019 08:19 wherebugsgo wrote:

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On May 21 2019 08:15 Calix wrote:

On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.

HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.

I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.

Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.

(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)

##vote raynpelikoneet

On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:

On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote:

On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Rayn, what was the plan behind it?

No plan. I just thought it would be fun.

So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead?

That's really the line you're going with lol?

Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do...

I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too.

Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn??

It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy.

If you wanna make bad association reads feel free to throw me on the pile because I made literally the same comment on iGrok. This is not the avenue to attack BC for.

Also lynching BC today is not very high value. Yeah, he could be scum, but we’d be ignoring a lot of good evidence and several players much more likely to flip scum than BC.

In fact, if you actually think this, rather than throwing shade on BC just vote iGrok and kill him instead, because we’ll get rid of a useless player and we’ll be able to confirm or deny the association afterward.

I'm not saying we should lynch BC today. If I did, I would have changed my vote. I just found that post scummy and flagged it up.

But I am now more amenable to VE's idea so I may change my vote to iGrok on non-policy grounds.

However I need to mull things over first. Right now I have too many scum reads.

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