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On May 25 2019 22:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Like I don't remember him saying anything of note since I threw him in my townish category. I don't think I've had a single interaction with him since and he loves talking to me  You're really never around when i am. I don't really remember anything you have posted either. | ||
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On May 25 2019 22:52 Holyflare wrote: Like, I really just don't know if bugs is obviously showing face as mafia and became really bad or just town doing some really stupid bait. After his nk in that game rayn was talking about that saved town I'm really starting to see a picture where he just doesn't "get" people's metas yet and is trying to make a mafia play that seems obvious to him but looks really out of place to me or anyone that knows these people. Unfortunately that doesn't make him mafia. I thought basically the same thing last game, but especially the comment after game where he said never listen to rayn when i voted for mafia D1 and died on N1 and he managed to land his vote on zero mafia in four days, idk i realised he actually believes in his narratives. Idk what's the point of even interacting a player like that, like earlier you asked me about my claim, the "weird" wording on Conversion's question, i explained it, bugs has just completely skipped over it and is still saying i am fakeclaiming. Again, what's the point in interacting a player like that? I am not even reading his posts anymore. | ||
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On May 25 2019 23:09 Holyflare wrote: You gotta learn to let go my man. Last game isn't real anymore, just history. Be free rayn, be free. Yeah i do let go, but i also think what people say after game tells about their mindset a lot since the game is not on anymore and you have all the information, there is no reason to lie about anything whatever alignment anyone was. | ||
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On May 24 2019 09:47 Holyflare wrote: TL;DR His early game reads are inconsistent at best. Ruxxar and disformation appear out of nowhere but even those reads don't add up. Missing other players that have done the exact same things (Conversion). I think this is a point that can actually make iGrok mafia. I aswell don't understand why he chose to write summaries on whatever people that don't arrive to anything when he actually scumread some people. I asked about this from iGrok and i don't think he ever answered. So yeah, this actually is a legit point. His Ruxxar read is reportedly mafia OR bored town for being boring and doing nothing but he has actual points on Ruxxar and says bugs case against ruxxar was good. So, it's not just that ruxxar was boring is it? His Calix read and all of his reads really, are just summaries. Nothing he says about Calix adds up to a scum read, especially the strong one he has. He adds points later to Calix that are actually things he agrees with Calix on so why does it get STRONGER after he adds those???? His read on me is so unbelievably incorrect. When questioned I forced him to provide examples and he got called out for them being wrong but when proven wrong he ignores it and still pushes the incorrect logic. He unvoted Calix when disfo said why did hf vote calix if they're both mafia like it was some revelation (but I didn't really even ever vote her so we both could easily be mafia??) but he never really summarises this correctly. He unvoted Calix but still called her mafia, said he would never be able to lynch me, suddenly town read Ruxxar when he was up for lynch and instead of trying to stop the wagon he argued about logic of why I was mafia out of the 3 for an hour and berated bugs for ruxxar dying and being town when he did nothing to stop it and even saved his scum read in the process. When i was reading this, especially the late D1 posting iGrok had, i was thinking to myself "why does mafia do this?". I honestly can't find any reason for mafia iGrok to do any of this unless he is protecting a teammate aka Calix. Once again, as i said earlier, if all of HF/Calix/ruxxar are town any of this doesn't make any sense from mafia iGrok perspective, like i can easily find like ten better approaches that doesn't get you scumread and you don't really even have to write BS like that. He's afkd forever (allegedly will change from Friday on so excited to see what fire he brings that isn't myself or Calix). I don't think this means anything. ------------------ Many people who play this game seem to forget about the fact that ten townie things dont necessarily mean you should write off even one scummy thing, because no fucking mafia almost ever "slips" in all of their posts. An exaggerated example would be this: "there is a red check on player X from N1, said player makes many many good posts D2, should you ignore the red check because you need to re-evaluate?" Calling someone out for "not re-evaluating their reads" is fucking stupid, because scummy things are still scummy things. I dont want to vote for anyone than Calix. I think no player in this game (discounting Jock and maybe iGrok) should townread Holyflare at the point Calix did, with or without meta backup, because at the time HF had made a fake case on me, and backed down when votes actually started piling on me. HF can easily do at as mafia, even if i was mafia, 100%. Then there is the bullshit read where Calix scumreads two dudes and then starts calling a SCUMMY THING NAI just because BOTH OF HER SCUMREADS did the same thing. That's so uber BS i dont even know what to say. I think Conversion looks like mafia for the eod1. I cba what he has posted before that or after but i can't find any other explanation for his eod1 actions other than that he is mafia and doesn't want to take a stance on a buddy. Last thing, noone should ever base their judgement on the pointlessness of "one of the blue claims having to be fake". There is simply no reason why any of us claims at the time we did as mafia, and you don't have to go further than the last game FF hosted. It had parity cop, veteran and gunsmith. So shut your fucking keyboard bugs and dont feed people this bullshit. You're on the verge of completely fucking up this game, well your shit as fuck reads are doing it too but this also. | ||
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On May 26 2019 00:36 Koshi wrote: Well Artanis is horrible. Kill him. I dont really know what Artanis is doing rn if he is mafia. | ||
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On May 26 2019 01:08 Holyflare wrote: Can I get past the BC meta read Artanis made? I dunno lol. I can't believe Artanis thought BC's posts were even aggro to make a case? Kinda unbelievable? I thought that too, especially towards Artanis. | ||
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On May 26 2019 01:13 Holyflare wrote: wait you're AGREEING with artanis case? What i am not agreeing it but i can see a town perspective for what he wrote. | ||
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On May 26 2019 02:14 wherebugsgo wrote: rayn I don't understand why you would ever ever ever ever claim VT into PC 17 hours into day 1 in a game where the day cycle is 72 hours, as town, when most of the votes were clearly pressure. I also don't believe you are dumb enough to either 1.) as town post a VT claim before checking your role PM because in the off-chance you do indeed roll a PR it will weaken your claim later or 2.) check your role PM, see that you are a PR and decide you still want to make a troll post claiming vanilla town. I did it because i like to cut off shit immediately. Also if i live on D3 i am doing something wrong. | ||
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On May 26 2019 02:22 wherebugsgo wrote: like you didn't explain the VT role claim at all right there and that's essentially a scum claim on your behalf. No way you do either of those things if you're a townie. I did. | ||
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On May 26 2019 02:45 wherebugsgo wrote: let me just add: if I'm 100% right about iGrok and his role, I think you fucked up the NKs/RBs pretty hard. That's a big reason why you lost, and this time you can't blame me cause I'm not on your team. Whatever. If iGrok flips mafia then pretty please read my posts after you lynch your parity cop. | ||
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