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On May 26 2019 06:35 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2019 06:33 Holyflare wrote:
For the good of the thread I will leave for approximately 1 hour to give iGrok some breathing room so he can chat it out with you guys and maybe you can quote that post I made against him asking why VE was red or something, that'd be swell. Figuring him out is key. I don't think we can figure him out from his colourful chart because I think you're making more of than is necessary. Its definitely not the scummiest thing I've seen in this game. Shit its not even the scummiest thing you've pointed out in this game.
Hey you, are YOU willing to switch to VE or rayn or Koshi or SOMETHING?
As someone who is observing the thread, as opposed to getting caught up in everything, I can confirm that they are going out of their way to spam up the thread with irrelevant one-liners. We really need to kill one of them to make the thread more readable.
I am becoming convinced that all the time-poor posters are town and that the mafia are spamming to make the time-poor posters unable to keep up, thus meaning they make bad posts, thus meaning active townies think they're scum and lynch them.
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On May 26 2019 06:41 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2019 06:38 Calix wrote:On May 26 2019 06:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 26 2019 06:33 Holyflare wrote:
For the good of the thread I will leave for approximately 1 hour to give iGrok some breathing room so he can chat it out with you guys and maybe you can quote that post I made against him asking why VE was red or something, that'd be swell. Figuring him out is key. I don't think we can figure him out from his colourful chart because I think you're making more of than is necessary. Its definitely not the scummiest thing I've seen in this game. Shit its not even the scummiest thing you've pointed out in this game. Hey you, are YOU willing to switch to VE or rayn or Koshi or SOMETHING? As someone who is observing the thread, as opposed to getting caught up in everything, I can confirm that they are going out of their way to spam up the thread with irrelevant one-liners. We really need to kill one of them to make the thread more readable. I am becoming convinced that all the time-poor posters are town and that the mafia are spamming to make the time-poor posters unable to keep up, thus meaning they make bad posts, thus meaning active townies think they're scum and lynch them. Yeah I am. Absolutely. Who should I read first though. Any advice, because that's a buttload of filter and I don't wanna randomly lynch a spammer, especially cos I'm a bit of a spammer myself.
I'm not asking you to read filters. Trust me, I'd never ask someone to read the entirety of Koshi/ rayn/ VE's filters.
Just go back a few pages. Maybe 10.
Skim-read those pages.
Look at who is going out of their way to make spammy one-liners when they don't have to. Maybe keep a tally or something.
Lynch those people.
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On May 26 2019 06:45 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2019 06:44 Calix wrote:On May 26 2019 06:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 26 2019 06:38 Calix wrote:On May 26 2019 06:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 26 2019 06:33 Holyflare wrote:
For the good of the thread I will leave for approximately 1 hour to give iGrok some breathing room so he can chat it out with you guys and maybe you can quote that post I made against him asking why VE was red or something, that'd be swell. Figuring him out is key. I don't think we can figure him out from his colourful chart because I think you're making more of than is necessary. Its definitely not the scummiest thing I've seen in this game. Shit its not even the scummiest thing you've pointed out in this game. Hey you, are YOU willing to switch to VE or rayn or Koshi or SOMETHING? As someone who is observing the thread, as opposed to getting caught up in everything, I can confirm that they are going out of their way to spam up the thread with irrelevant one-liners. We really need to kill one of them to make the thread more readable. I am becoming convinced that all the time-poor posters are town and that the mafia are spamming to make the time-poor posters unable to keep up, thus meaning they make bad posts, thus meaning active townies think they're scum and lynch them. Yeah I am. Absolutely. Who should I read first though. Any advice, because that's a buttload of filter and I don't wanna randomly lynch a spammer, especially cos I'm a bit of a spammer myself. I'm not asking you to read filters. Trust me, I'd never ask someone to read the entirety of Koshi/ rayn/ VE's filters. Just go back a few pages. Maybe 10. Skim-read those pages. Look at who is going out of their way to make spammy one-liners when they don't have to. Maybe keep a tally or something. Lynch those people. LOL no. Shit you think I just want to randomly lynch a spammer for spamming regardless of their intention? Cleaning up the thread is not my priority. I'll lynch a spammer if they are scum because they are the most dangerous scum.
At least two mafia are in the spammers. Not 100% sure all three of them are, however.
I, personally, think rayn and VE are most likely to hit red. rayn especially has not said anything intelligent. Even though he's around, he never adds updated points as to why I am mafia. He just repeats the same thing over and over; this is a form of spam which vaguely resembles his 'town meta' but actually isn't his town meta because he lacks fluidity. He just berates people for 'shit lynches' while doing nothing to change anything [this is something he can do as mafia. It's not exclusive to his town game].
Meanwhile VE posts nothing but waffly posts and Appeal to Emotion [ATE] posts. I read this as mafia because he tends to make ATE posts when people are making inconvenient points against him. It looks like a deflection tactic.
I'm least inclined to lynch Koshi purely because of the Veteran claim. But he is playing like mafia even if he is town.
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On May 26 2019 06:50 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2019 06:40 Jockmcplop wrote:BC End of the World Party: On March 08 2019 06:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:What the fuck is going on in this game? I leave for a bit and the thread turns to a shit show -_- How the fuck has more or less the entire thread glossed over the fact we had Rsoultin out Rel's role because she thought he was mafia then proceeded to not seriously push him as a candidate whatsoever Then proceeded to remain voting for someone she doesn't fully believe is fucking scum. Seriously wtf is wrong with you guys. We have already had a bunch of blues flip and no one questions seriously why its ok for someone to out another players role on a gut read? IMO there is literally no reason to out rels at this point in time unless you plan to go ham on a scum read. On March 08 2019 05:57 Blazinghand wrote:On March 08 2019 05:54 sicklucker wrote:
Well if we dont kill hf now hes never dying. So ill just have to asume hes town if thats happening and pray mafia nk him and reevaluate if I dont kill. I dont think we have the votes to kill him today is what im trying to say. so lets set up a side wagon to bh. But fuck I dont have enough time We only need like 3 votes on HF. please vote him and stay on him. Don't say "let's just assume he's town for no reason because he's too good at convincing people to ever be able for us to lynch him" wtf Jesus fuck. BC 10 minutes ago On May 26 2019 06:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Jesus flying fuck at this game. If anyone wonders why I have more or less vanished from the game it is seriously the last 25 pages or so of shit, like holy fuck. THIS game is a very clear reason of many issues I had which led me to quit playing Mafia. Like this is a shit show. Anyone at this point has a logical reason to just not want to play, regardless of alignment. Because its the most ridiculous thing in the world to read full of vitrol and hate.
Lets pretend for even 1 moment that HF's claim (which he redacted) is real. Why would any of you think that Bugs would ever listen to you guys when he has a gun? As mafia he just shoots who he wants. He would only shoot the other wagon if it was going to kill another townie. Otherwise he shoots a "scum" read or some shit. As town, when he thinks 90% of you are shitters he will just shoot who he wants.
Now heres the thing, HE HAS ALREADY CLAIMED PR. He didn't claim what he has, he just claimed he was one. Now, that means if he isn't CCing that he is
A) A vig, which can be either of alignment
B) he is the jailkeeper who thinks hes the reason KP was blocked last night was him
C) Hes a lying mafia asshat who is scared shitless of a confirmed town.
NOW, speaking of confirmed town. Say for some flying fuck wild ride that Koshi is legit a Veteran and stopped a shot. Who the fuck would shoot him? Like seriously. No one has even remotely considered who in their right might shoots Koshi. The guy literally has bare bones reasons to his reads, in some case he has no reasons and just posts / parrots other people. He spams the thread, is widely ignored, but is essentially helping mafia. Why do they shoot him? Only someone who actually thought he was threatening that no one else was. You guys can go read that if you want. Why do I say this? Because the "vet" players in this game are 100% more likely to shoot Koshi as vigi's over being mafia.
Like the sheer level of dumb in this thread. (Me included, im not saying im not guilty of it).
People are being given a free pass for tons of shit.
Rayn - acting like a troll day 1, fake claims, gets out of a "lynch" becomes non entity.
Conversion - where the fuck is he. He is such a non entity that he more or less appears, says a few things of basically nothing, mimics sentiment or defends himself and vanishes
Disinformaion - Literally this games defiinition of a parrot. He has basically 0 thoughts that are his own, spews out other peoples cases to justify his own shit, asks questions, then pisses off with nothing new. In fact he constantly brings up shit the thread has moved past to re clutter it with the same debates.
Jock - Where the fuck is he. Outside of day 1, what has he done, where is he, why should I care about him. He is such a non entity with everything going on I barely ever remember hes in this game.
VE - You argue and fight everything. You are extremely combative this game and part of the reason I can't tell between you and bugs who should die to clean the thread. I purposely and reading you both as town so I can skim posts now. you both are responsible for half the stuff that makes the thread so terrible. STOP FIGHTING WITH EACHOTHER and spending pages upon pages upon pages burying everything else.
HF - You are being productive now but you werent for ages. I had more but you have started to actually well play. Long as you keep it up your general laziness / apathy day 1 can be ignored.
Igrok - You don't know why you are up for the lynch? You have been basically for the last 72 hours. It was you or Artanis. Not sure how you can appear and disappear as frequently as you do and not even know where the thread sentiment / votes are. However, this is a case (as much as everyone will call me terrible for it) of why you are likely dumb town and not scum.
Artanis and Calix are literally non stop talked about, and so am I. I know my filter is full of shit so feel free to kill me for it. Youd be doing me a favour. Does he do this as town? Do I have to meta dive this guy while we're generating 8 million posts an hour or can someone just tell me??
As someone who HAS reviewed BC's mafia games and 1-2 town games, his aggression is more consistent when he is mafia. He has stronger reads and is more certain. In this game, his aggression has been limited to 1-2 posts.
I would say his overall posting resembles his town games. But I can see why that post would make you have doubts.
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That reminds me of my 'shit' VE/ rayn mafia tinfoil.
I will laugh so hard if that was actually correct.
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On May 26 2019 07:13 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2019 07:11 Calix wrote:
That reminds me of my 'shit' VE/ rayn mafia tinfoil.
I will laugh so hard if that was actually correct. Like you're just baiting me. This is the exact same shit you're saying we should lynch me/rayn (who isn't guilty of any of this)/Koshi. One-liner posts that are meaningless and don't move the game forward. But yeah you're town right? Sure.
Rayn ISN'T guilty of that? Ahahahahahaha.
My post was certainly townier than your [very obvious] attempts at throwing shade on me.
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On May 26 2019 07:44 Jockmcplop wrote:
I'm willing to change my vote to BC on the basis of this evening's posts tbh.
Is anyone else?
Calix I'm not going to lynch a spammer. VE's filter is impossible to read properly. How can i lynch someone I can't tell if they're scum or not?
That's why I recommended NOT reading his filter and just rereading the last few pages of the thread to get an idea of who is deliberately clogging it up. Because trying to read his entire filter will exhaust you.
If people aren't willing to listen to my plan then I'll just stay on iGrok.
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Not gonna lie, I was really confused when WBG basically flipped his reads after iGrok's flip and started gunning for HF and even considering having HF shot over VE.
But then HF made that horrible Jailer claim. Which is never legitimate since HF didn't try gunning for Koshi and actually thought WBG was scummy for being so dead-set on mafia!Koshi which makes 0 sense if HF is Jailer. He also hasn't revealed who the 'confirmed townie' is that he jailed N1.
Now HF is rambling on about modkills or some other nonsense and it looks really bad.
So I am chill with HF/ VE dying.
Also I guess this means I might have had pretty bad reads this game? lol
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@WBG you are correct. I do not mind being included in the POE, being mislynched, or even losing the game at this point. The reason I didn't think BC's rage post was mafia was because I could relate to how unpleasant the game was. Although my feelings aren't as vitriolic as BC's, I have found playing this game [the spam and the rayn/ Koshi tunnel in particular] to be an unpleasant experience and I refuse to put myself through that again.
The fact that I will likely be alive for at least another 90-odd hours fills me with dread.
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If you are going to kill me in triple MYLO without even considering a world where I am town then kindly let me know so I can do something else with my life three days in advance.
I don't want to do what I did in the last game I played, where I tried hard to avoid being mislynched yet ended up being killed in LYLO anyway because nobody was willing to re-evaluate.
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Anyway this is what I currently think. It's very up in the air still because I have to throw out almost all my town-reads at this point. Clearly they cannot all be correct.
Koshi - Uncc'd Veteran.
Jock - Very likely town.
Calix - 
Meaning 3/5 of these people are mafia:
BC
Artanis
disformation
VE
Conversion
Christ, I might have been town-reading the ENTIRE mafia team.
At this point in time, I'm most inclined to think I was wrong to let up on BC. And I think VE is mafia. But I need to look into disformation and Conversion again. They HAVE been skirting by and avoiding attention so could be a 'just getting by' mafia there.
Artanis, I did not think was mafia when I filtered him. But he has been very 'meh' so at this point, it would not surprise me if he was scum. And he was the counter-wagon to town on D2. On a day where votes were highly divided and AFAICT, none of the off-wagon votes were mafia.
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I also made some COLOURFUL VOTE COUNTS. I only coloured the flipped players so everyone can use this post.
On May 22 2019 08:54 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
RuXxar (5): Wherebugsgo, BloodyC0bbler , Disformation, Wherebugsgo, VisceraEyes, Disformation, Calix, Conversion
Calix (2): RuXxar, Raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes , Artanis[Xp], Holyflare, iGrok
BloodyC0bbler(1): Artanis[Xp], Disformation
iGrok (1): VisceraEyes , Holyflare, Holyflare, VisceraEyes, Calix
Raynpelikoneet (1): Holyflare, Wherebugsgo, Jockmcplop, Calix, Calix, Jockmcplop
Holyflare (2): Conversion , ruxxar, iGrok
Koshi(1): Conversion
Artanis[Xp](1): BloodyC0bbler
VisceraEyes (0):BloodyC0bbler
Jockmcplop (0): Raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes, Holyflare
Disformation (0): Conversion, Wherebugsgo
Wherebugsgo (0): Artanis[Xp] , VisceraEyes , Koshi
conversion(0): Jockmcplop, Calix
Not voting (0):
RuXxar is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, May 22 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
On May 26 2019 09:08 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
iGrok (6): Holyflare, Calix, VisceraEyes, VisceraEyes, Wherebugsgo, Artanis[Xp], Disformation, Jockmcplop, VisceraEyes, Holyflare, Wherebugsgo, VisceraEyes
Artanis[Xp] (4): Jockmcplop, Koshi, VisceraEyes, BloodyC0bbler, Conversion, VisceraEyes, Koshi, Jockmcplop, VisceraEyes, iGrok, iGrok
Calix (2): VisceraEyes, Koshi, Raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes, VisceraEyes, Koshi
Holyflare(0): iGrok, iGrok
Wherebugsgo(0): Artanis[Xp], VisceraEyes, Koshi, Holyflare
VisceraEyes(0): VisceraEyes
Koshi(0): Wherebugsgo
Not voting(0):
iGrok is currently set to be lynched with 6 votes.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Sunday, May 26 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
I accidentally posted this in the vote thread, whoops
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On May 27 2019 16:24 Koshi wrote:
Seriously. I give 0 fucks about people who voted both igrok and ruxxar and now want some fucking voice in this thread.
You can go away for 3 days and not play anymore. Even if you are town you did enough harm. Go away.
Far far away.
Think I'm going to play anyway.
Anyway I posted this in the VC as well because I'm a genius ^^
On May 27 2019 16:29 Calix wrote:
From my POV, mafia were not under any threat on D1 [the usual]. Day 2 points towards a mafia Artanis given that the wagons were 6-5 at one point IIRC. Given Koshi is uncc'd Veteran, mafia must have been voting on the main wagons. So they probably had something to lose.
In short, D2 votes points towards Artanis being mafia. Really insightful stuff here, eh?
Aside from that, think I'll go take a look at the reasons people had for their EOD votes. If I can find them -_- I recall rayn making points on Conversion having bad EODs, shall see if there is validity in that.
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On May 27 2019 16:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
I dunno calix it looks kinda like you're trying to find reasons why voting iGrock and Ruxxar doesn't make you mafia, more than trying to figure out why other people were doing what they were doing.
Where do I say anything like that?
I haven't defended my iGrok/ ruxxar votes at all.
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On May 27 2019 16:52 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2019 16:49 Calix wrote:On May 27 2019 16:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
I dunno calix it looks kinda like you're trying to find reasons why voting iGrock and Ruxxar doesn't make you mafia, more than trying to figure out why other people were doing what they were doing. Where do I say anything like that? I haven't defended my iGrok/ ruxxar votes at all. Well you did say that mafia were under no threat on day 1, which heavily implies mafia votes could be anywhere and that we shouldn't read into it. Probably a bit true but given that koshi just pointed out where your votes were it seems very much like that's why you made that post...
I said that re: D1 because two wagons flipped town and I know the third one [me] was also town. It's literally just stating the obvious.
I never said you shouldn't read into it. I said you can't tell anything from vote placement alone and you'd have to look into the reasons for votes. I literally said this in my post, lmao.
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On May 22 2019 11:24 Conversion wrote:
d'oh.
I just meta-dived ruxxar and he plays really fluid, jokes around a lot as town.
his mafia games are like 4+ years old, though, and not sure if they should really count as much here (couldn't find any more recent games)
but you're right in the fact that nothing about his game here resembles the town games I read meta wise.
in terms of reads, my brain is fried (as evidenced by fucking up a simple logic table up ^^^ there), and I think I'm inclined to believe bugs.. I think disfo is in a pretty non-safe spot going on this ruxxar lynch here as well, so ruxxar flipping mafia doesn't give him too much cred. I don't really buy any of Koshi's reads, and him dodging me and not calling me scum is pretty fuckin' weird cause I'm not really playing any differently than I have in the games we've played together. m
If ruxxar flips mafia though Koshi is never, ever, 100% never ever mafia.
and now I'm sleepy and lost 90 minutes of s tudying for an interview so I'm peacing out. gl hf, see y'all after like 4 PM est for a bit before I fly out
Yeah, D1 progression is a bit dodgy. Had ruxxar at null beforehand then says ruxxar's meta points towards him being mafia [as someone who also looked into ruxxar's games, his posting style this game didn't really resemble either town/ mafia ruxxar. Only 'tell' that he might have been mafia on D1 was low activity - he generally has higher activity as town - but that wasn't strong enough for me to think the meta argument was compelling by itself].
Anyway, he then talks about, I presume, why he's voting for ruxxar despite one of his strongest mafia reads also voting for ruxxar. And in retrospect, a lot of this post doesn't say anything because ruxxar was not mafia.
As for D2, I still think his Artanis switch from this:
On May 24 2019 03:20 Conversion wrote:artanis is giving me great conflict. generally his entire filter looked good to me. the only thing about this is I don't QUITE particularly think BC was being aggressive, except to Artanis himself. so I don't quite get this "BC was super duper aggressive, but then chilled out" as a switch reason. + Show Spoiler +On May 23 2019 20:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts: Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him.
Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to.
That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well. The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game. The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best. As for why WBG: Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied: Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false. Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia." Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC: Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
why did people say BC OMGUSed artanis when BC scumread artanis first
or at least I feel like I remember that sentiment was thrown around
ok w/e. Too much thinking.
Makes an incorrect statement. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me insteadLastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction. Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:26 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 23 2019 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE. I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him. I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction. I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG. Did you scumread BC before you voted him? Because if you did then I honestly just didn’t remember that, all I remember is that I ignored you for a while since your vote was on me and you were mostly AFK so why would I bother reading you. If you did indeed scumread him before then my apologies, I’m wrong and BC OMGUSed you. Not sure that makes him scum or that his assessment of the situation from his perspective is scummy given that I agreed with it. "Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!" The focus is much more defensive and closed. Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines. ##Vote wherebugsgo the second thing is his bugs read, but that's mostly because I townread bugs and I don't think his argument was a good one. mmmmmmmh he's definitely looks less towny than BC to me right now
"definitely looks less towny than BC...generally his entire filter looked good...only thing about this is I don't QUITE particularly think BC was being aggressive"
to having Artanis as "probably scum" and:
On May 25 2019 00:18 Conversion wrote:
man how are there 23+ pages since I last left!
and why are people off scum again! did Artanis prove himself town somehow?
Where did this confidence in mafia!Artanis come from? This post would suggest he wasn't aware of anything Artanis had posted in the meantime.
Then Conversion talks a bunch about iGrok and how bad he looks. But still wants Artanis dead more. Not entirely clear whether he thinks both could be mafia or whatnot. This post stood out to me as scummy because of how inconclusive it is:
On May 25 2019 01:07 Conversion wrote:
is that mafia!iGrok flailing since he knows Artanis is his scumbuddy, and trying to force a lynch onto someone else? but why would mafia!Grok try to lynch someone he deems is unlynchable by his own words, and is attempting to distance himself from his scumbuddy Artanis?
He proposes some explanations for why mafia!iGrok is doing what he is doing. Seems to think both Artanis/ iGrok are mafia. But his second question poses an idea that seems to dent the mafia iGrok/ Artanis idea. Yet Conversion never really goes anywhere with this.
@Conversion, would you mind giving me the lowdown of your thought process at EOD1 and why you became more certain that Artanis is mafia, please?
(I have read your filter but I am still asking anyway so don't blow me off)
As a side note, Conversion was very skeptical of a mafia Artanis/ BC team because of their weird double OMGUS/ bussing thing.
My two pence on that matter is that a lot of the BC/ Artanis stuff happened when neither of them were under much pressure and their double OMGUS/ scum-read stuff is weird AF. BC's overreaction to Artanis' scum read especially. But I think the best argument against BC/ Artanis is Artanis popping into the thread at EOD1 with a huge case on BC. This was at a time when sentiment was against BC so he could have actually died there. That would be pretty weird for a mafia to do to another mafia when you could've just settled for a ML, lol.
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On May 27 2019 17:00 Koshi wrote:
##vote Calix
You are mafia or somebody who was at some point in this 250 page game a second helpful to town is mafia.
I am going to lynch the person who wasnt helpful a goddamn fuckibg second.
You screamed for my head for most of the game because of my opening post. Now you refuse to reconsider at triple MYLO. Yet you turn around and blame me for losing the game. The lack of self-awareness is truly amazing.
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[reads the last few posts]
[considers that these two are the most 'townie' people we have in the game]
[laughs hysterically]
RIP me.
Well, can't change that. I'm just curious as to whether I can get my reads right before I die.
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On May 27 2019 17:16 Koshi wrote:
Your game was fucking horrible. Please get lynched. Do t spread fear I dont buy it. If you are town die because than at least we lynched the most anti town entity this game before we lost.
Projection at 110%. You talk like I am bad town instead of super-gud mafia who is playing to her win condition.
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Jock, why are you making these posts? I don't see the point of yelling at Koshi or saying he's scared of me or whatever.
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