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Holyflare
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Holyflare
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Holyflare
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On May 01 2019 08:46 Holyflare wrote: I think jock is mafia and bc is more mafia for defending(?? ? But also accusing???) him. Not much else to add really. Didn't even realise the game had even started. You can disregard this because I've reread it and it didn't go down like this. BC still gave jock a bit of an out which I don't like but he's pretty much said stuff I was thinking about Jock's posting. Minus points for grack not pointing this out. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
So do you think Grack has the wrong idea with voting him? | ||
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Holyflare
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Holyflare
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On May 01 2019 09:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: So do you think Grack has the wrong idea with voting him? Not really the wrong idea just the wrong reasoning | ||
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Holyflare
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
On May 01 2019 09:07 Holyflare wrote: Not really the wrong idea just the wrong reasoning What's the right reasoning? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 01 2019 02:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I've got a question - is your resistance to the Jock lynch intentional or circumstantial? Like, I get that you're suspicious of MZ or whatever, but you say MZ "smells blood in the water", does that imply that you think Jock is town? I'm 99% sure at this point if I do absolutely nothing to push a different lynch, Jock will continue to get suspicion and probably die. I'm giving him outs and the benefit of the doubt because I'm not confident he's scum. Honestly to me the weirdest thing he's done so far has been his last exit: I gotta go to band practice I'll be back in a few hours Only for him to never come back. It's what, 1 am in the UK? So we can't really expect him to come back and defend himself any time soon. Anyway, my opinion has always been that having a single wagon on day 1 is rarely good. No need for me to contribute to that if I see something better, anyway. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
On May 01 2019 09:06 Holyflare wrote: What I got from Jock's mindset in his first mafia game is that he was afraid in the qt whenever someone called him out. He's used that, and the advice people gave him of "don't care what people say if they call you mafia" and gone to the other extreme scale of being bratty when called out. I'd associate that more with being new and mafia than Jock as town being lost on what to say. Especially with the insults to TL as a whole. I was just rereading Jock in End of the World because he screamed town that game to me but ended up being red. I mean look here: On March 02 2019 10:16 Jockmcplop wrote: 99% of my comments are in jest. Jesters are important as they remind kings and nobility of their mortality, fallibility and humanity. Kings fart just the same as the rest of us. This sort of disarming humor type stuff as well as polite questions and well written accusations is how I'd characterize his first game. His second game was similar except with fewer analysis posts. His thread entrance to this game was very jarring and different from both his scum and his town games thus far. The worst part is that it seems like he's trying to bait out the meta read with this comment: On May 01 2019 01:27 Jockmcplop wrote: Yeah vote me first. Why not? I already have a low enough of opinion of tl.net. First game - mafia - failed to spot it Second game - town - dead first night Third game... you get the picture. I guess I'm a wildcard since I have no meta for you guys to rely on. If you just vote for me you're justified cos I'm new and it saves having to look for scum. I'm not mafia by the way. It reads like he knows he's playing different and is daring people to scum read him for it. If he hadn't played so similarly in his first two games despite being different alignments I'd be more willing to read his current stance as combative townie who isn't afraid of the spotlight but after looking at his two previous games and his own self aware jab at meta reads I'm more inclined to think he's scum trying to hide behind bravado. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
On May 01 2019 09:10 Holyflare wrote: Mz are you ever gonna take a stance on jock? You seem to be fannying around the subject contemplatively rather than deciding on him. You posted this while I was writing up my thoughts, I think you and I are picking up on the same things. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
On May 01 2019 09:17 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm 99% sure at this point if I do absolutely nothing to push a different lynch, Jock will continue to get suspicion and probably die. I'm giving him outs and the benefit of the doubt because I'm not confident he's scum. Honestly to me the weirdest thing he's done so far has been his last exit: Only for him to never come back. It's what, 1 am in the UK? So we can't really expect him to come back and defend himself any time soon. Anyway, my opinion has always been that having a single wagon on day 1 is rarely good. No need for me to contribute to that if I see something better, anyway. Completely agree having single wagons D1 is bad. I obviously am currently standing with the Jock suspicions crowd but what other names should we be considering? Me? What do you think of Grack voting Rels, is that another avenue worth exploring? | ||
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Grackaroni
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Meapak_Ziphh
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On May 01 2019 09:25 Grackaroni wrote: Scum has a pretty natural tendency towards appeasement when under pressure. I don't think scum's first reaction to being accused would be to shit on the entire player base of the website and boast about getting night killed in the last game. I feel pretty confident at reading butt-hurt and he reeks of butt-hurt townie to me. But what is he butthurt about? I've definitely done that before as scum (and had my ass lynched for my troubles). The combative attitude feels forced after reading his other games again. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 01 2019 09:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Completely agree having single wagons D1 is bad. I obviously am currently standing with the Jock suspicions crowd but what other names should we be considering? Me? What do you think of Grack voting Rels, is that another avenue worth exploring? What avenue, Grack or Rels? There are a few players who haven't showed up, and a few who have but have just disappeared under the radar. It'd be nice if we could get them to talk. I'm going to continue being vague with my reads for a bit because I want to see things play out more. Speaking of non-participants, FecalFeast, mind explaining why you sheeped on MZ, and why you've subsequently been absent from the thread? | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
On May 01 2019 09:30 wherebugsgo wrote: What avenue, Grack or Rels? There are a few players who haven't showed up, and a few who have but have just disappeared under the radar. It'd be nice if we could get them to talk. I'm going to continue being vague with my reads for a bit because I want to see things play out more. Speaking of non-participants, FecalFeast, mind explaining why you sheeped on MZ, and why you've subsequently been absent from the thread? Rels, since Grack said he lurks as scum D1. HF says that he lurks as either alignment so it's not a bad idea but bad reasoning. Personally I'm inclined to agree with Grack. What are your thoughts? | ||
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wherebugsgo
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On May 01 2019 09:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Rels, since Grack said he lurks as scum D1. HF says that he lurks as either alignment so it's not a bad idea but bad reasoning. Personally I'm inclined to agree with Grack. What are your thoughts? I don't have enough of an understanding of how Rels plays to take a stance re: lurkiness, but I do find it strange that Rels had the time to throw in a "me too" and then disappear. Again, caveat that I find it unlikely we'll hear from some of the Europeans for several more hours so I don't put much weight in this ATM. I like grack though, he's making sense. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On May 01 2019 09:25 Grackaroni wrote: Scum has a pretty natural tendency towards appeasement when under pressure. I don't think scum's first reaction to being accused would be to shit on the entire player base of the website and boast about getting night killed in the last game. I feel pretty confident at reading butt-hurt and he reeks of butt-hurt townie to me. Zzzzz generic statements that never catch mafia/reliably find town or hold up to any kind of scrutiny when examined closely zzzz What he counters with doesn't even make any sense. He's boasting about not being able to be read as mafia, being shot by mafia as town? That's implying he's too good for the website.... But he's using that at a point when people are calling him mafia. So he's using a defence of him being better than everyone to prove absolutely nothing about why they are wrong other than some weak deterrent that only shifts people that read people in generic metrics (grack etc). | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 01 2019 10:00 Holyflare wrote: Zzzzz generic statements that never catch mafia/reliably find town or hold up to any kind of scrutiny when examined closely zzzz What he counters with doesn't even make any sense. He's boasting about not being able to be read as mafia, being shot by mafia as town? That's implying he's too good for the website.... But he's using that at a point when people are calling him mafia. So he's using a defence of him being better than everyone to prove absolutely nothing about why they are wrong other than some weak deterrent that only shifts people that read people in generic metrics (grack etc). when does not making sense = scum? | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9621 Posts
On May 01 2019 08:54 Holyflare wrote: Oh well nothing more to add really. I think jock is way out of character and the town read(s) are pretty unjustified here. Out of character compared to when I was mafia? | ||
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