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On May 05 2019 03:40 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 12:17 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 04 2019 12:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 12:14 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 04 2019 12:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
bugs as for a questions for you.
Who would you say is currently controlling the flow of this game player wise? IE who has the most influence currently. no one. If I had to pick one player, the closest would be HF. Why HF over say VE? As of this moment I feel VE has the closest thing to thread control. HF is the only person in the thread who has consistently managed to get a wagon going. Jock, myself, Pandain. Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 12:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 12:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
The paranoia within me gives HF a good chance to flip scum. I don't really understand why others think he is town and he's done a phenomenal job at twisting words and misrepresenting events throughout the game. His responses to rebuttals are really underwhelming, he tends to pick one thing and blow it completely out of proportion, like the NK scumtell thing, me "not responding" to his case on Pandain after calling it trash, he fake claims cop and then just brushes it aside like "ah but nah but maybe not today but yeah I'm gonna try to be mysterious" and even rayn complained that when talking to HF he got nothing out of him, especially when rayn asked HF for his opinions about me. Question for you, then. Outside of fake claiming to kill you. Does he seem to be aggressively pushing targets right now? Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 12:27 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 04 2019 12:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 12:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
The paranoia within me gives HF a good chance to flip scum. I don't really understand why others think he is town and he's done a phenomenal job at twisting words and misrepresenting events throughout the game. His responses to rebuttals are really underwhelming, he tends to pick one thing and blow it completely out of proportion, like the NK scumtell thing, me "not responding" to his case on Pandain after calling it trash, he fake claims cop and then just brushes it aside like "ah but nah but maybe not today but yeah I'm gonna try to be mysterious" and even rayn complained that when talking to HF he got nothing out of him, especially when rayn asked HF for his opinions about me. Question for you, then. Outside of fake claiming to kill you. Does he seem to be aggressively pushing targets right now? He doesn't seem to be aggressive in pushing to me, no. I'd classify his play as opportunistic in this game. This is bullshit. Holyflare was the person pushing people the hardest outside of maybe Rayn and Bugs acknowledged that earlier unprompted..
I don't understand how you can go from Holyflare is leading the thread to Holyflare isn't pushing people aggressively and is just opportunistic.
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I guess it's mostly up to Rels/Koshi if this lynch is going to change.
I don't like this lynch at all. BC's case was just that HF usually plays more aggressively as mafia, and that's definitely not the meta read that people like Rayn/Koshi would use to read HF who are both good players that play with HF frequently. I don't know why BC/WBG are the Holyflare experts when they haven't really played with him in years.
I think HF's content has been good this game and I think that he has actually pushed his views aggressively.
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Even if HF ends up being mafia I still think the meta read is wrong because I'm used to some aggressive scum games from HF.
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On May 05 2019 04:11 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 04:04 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 05 2019 03:59 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 03:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 05 2019 03:46 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 03:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 11:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 08:49 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 07:56 Pandain wrote:
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It's a good question. I can't help but think Doc actually saved someone or a vet got shot, because let's realize that only one person died. And I think it would be super weird for mafia to have 1kp.
Anyway that doesn't answer your question. If I had to guess 2 more? Wtf kind of theory is this by the way? Where does it say anything about any kind of extra mafia kp role in op? Are you trying really badly to fake a dumb tell? I even had to read the op to make sure. I hooe you're impressed. No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot. I know that HF posted this as a reason to vote for pandain. However with the mod confirmation of fixed 1 kp I am inclined to think this post alone would exonerate pandain. Why? Because if you have more information than the rest of the game (being mafia) you tend to be super careful in regards to talking about kp, being vague or what not. I don't see a player of pandains experience being mafia in this case. Fuck. and then I made this post here HF. I have a 3 page filter. Cherry pick me more? THAT'S NOT WHAT CHERRY PICKING IS LOL. YOU you you, have said that I have CHERRY PICKED my case on pandain. That means I've extrapolated information incorrectly and used it to formulate a push in a bad way. This is extremely false because it's the same thing you posted. Either you have also cherry picked a pandain case or I have not. If you say I have then you also have. Just because things after the fact you say exonerate Pandain doesn't mean that I have to agree or disagree with them. If I disagree with your premise and say that people fake dumb tells like that all the time that is then a divergent path in our reads, not a cherry picked case being pushed. You are the one now saying that our disagreement is in fact cherry picking and a twisted narrative. Where does that twisted narrative ever occur BC? I have literally used the word cherry picking once and it was when you cherry picked 1 of my posts while ignoring another. Would would create a false narrative. However. If you really need to know. For all your "case" you have on pandain you didnt fucking vote for him because you still werent sure he was mafia UNTIL HE MENTIONED A POSSIBILITY OF MULTIPLE MAFIA KP. YOU THEN USED THAT AS THE MAIN REASON YOU VOTED FOR HIM. For fucks sake dude. that is literally what you did. Because of the whole bugs and pandain interaction yes. That is why I fake claimed to get a reaction from bugs and see if it would solidify that relationship even more. There's a method behind the madness... Somewhere. I had literally 0 reasons not to vote pandain other than bugs and UNTIL pandain did something that went against my ROLE which I would have had to have done so many things to plan for as mafia : Plan to fake cop on bugs while also planning to really have an endgame strat of claiming veteran afterwards and basing my whole play around that claim so that any kind of slip like that I would have instantly outed myself to trade 1 single town player (if I was mafia) for myself and then also have to fucking deal with people asking why I'm not dead the following thousand cycles and arguing about it pointlessly forever. Or I could just do the much simpler mafia strategy of doing none of that and not creating an intricate dichotomy between bugs and pandain and just simply lynch pandain for free be because almost everyone is onboard. No way do I ever do the first. Never. I mean, this would ordinarily be an amazing fucking argument. Like, I actually was on board with "nah HF would never fake claim here as scum" and 100% believed the claim when you made it because I was like he has to be a cop here. But of course, you have a history of fake claiming. and you know that.Which makes all of these completely alignment non-indicative because you and I both know, as some of the better scum players on these forums, that in order not get lynched for a deviation between your town and scum plays you have to do exactly what you would do as town. Or at least, you need to try to do exactly what you think others would expect you to do as town. And in your case, that's fake claim. Can people stop saying this like they know my meta. I can't think of a single game (maybe one but I'm not even sure if it's exactly one or not) in 100+ games where I have actually fake claimed a role as mafia but I can think of almost every game that I have as town.
lol the last time you said this you linked me to a filter of your scum QT to prove it and in the QT you were like "I'm going to claim cop lolololol."
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On May 05 2019 04:13 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 04:12 Grackaroni wrote:On May 05 2019 04:11 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 04:04 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 05 2019 03:59 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 03:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 05 2019 03:46 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 03:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 11:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 08:49 Pandain wrote:
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No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot. I know that HF posted this as a reason to vote for pandain. However with the mod confirmation of fixed 1 kp I am inclined to think this post alone would exonerate pandain. Why? Because if you have more information than the rest of the game (being mafia) you tend to be super careful in regards to talking about kp, being vague or what not. I don't see a player of pandains experience being mafia in this case. Fuck. and then I made this post here HF. I have a 3 page filter. Cherry pick me more? THAT'S NOT WHAT CHERRY PICKING IS LOL. YOU you you, have said that I have CHERRY PICKED my case on pandain. That means I've extrapolated information incorrectly and used it to formulate a push in a bad way. This is extremely false because it's the same thing you posted. Either you have also cherry picked a pandain case or I have not. If you say I have then you also have. Just because things after the fact you say exonerate Pandain doesn't mean that I have to agree or disagree with them. If I disagree with your premise and say that people fake dumb tells like that all the time that is then a divergent path in our reads, not a cherry picked case being pushed. You are the one now saying that our disagreement is in fact cherry picking and a twisted narrative. Where does that twisted narrative ever occur BC? I have literally used the word cherry picking once and it was when you cherry picked 1 of my posts while ignoring another. Would would create a false narrative. However. If you really need to know. For all your "case" you have on pandain you didnt fucking vote for him because you still werent sure he was mafia UNTIL HE MENTIONED A POSSIBILITY OF MULTIPLE MAFIA KP. YOU THEN USED THAT AS THE MAIN REASON YOU VOTED FOR HIM. For fucks sake dude. that is literally what you did. Because of the whole bugs and pandain interaction yes. That is why I fake claimed to get a reaction from bugs and see if it would solidify that relationship even more. There's a method behind the madness... Somewhere. I had literally 0 reasons not to vote pandain other than bugs and UNTIL pandain did something that went against my ROLE which I would have had to have done so many things to plan for as mafia : Plan to fake cop on bugs while also planning to really have an endgame strat of claiming veteran afterwards and basing my whole play around that claim so that any kind of slip like that I would have instantly outed myself to trade 1 single town player (if I was mafia) for myself and then also have to fucking deal with people asking why I'm not dead the following thousand cycles and arguing about it pointlessly forever. Or I could just do the much simpler mafia strategy of doing none of that and not creating an intricate dichotomy between bugs and pandain and just simply lynch pandain for free be because almost everyone is onboard. No way do I ever do the first. Never. I mean, this would ordinarily be an amazing fucking argument. Like, I actually was on board with "nah HF would never fake claim here as scum" and 100% believed the claim when you made it because I was like he has to be a cop here. But of course, you have a history of fake claiming. and you know that.Which makes all of these completely alignment non-indicative because you and I both know, as some of the better scum players on these forums, that in order not get lynched for a deviation between your town and scum plays you have to do exactly what you would do as town. Or at least, you need to try to do exactly what you think others would expect you to do as town. And in your case, that's fake claim. Can people stop saying this like they know my meta. I can't think of a single game (maybe one but I'm not even sure if it's exactly one or not) in 100+ games where I have actually fake claimed a role as mafia but I can think of almost every game that I have as town. lol the last time you said this you linked me to a filter of your scum QT to prove it and in the QT you were like "I'm going to claim cop lolololol." But DID I claim cop grack DID I?
Not sure I only read the QT. 
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On May 05 2019 04:16 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 04:15 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 04:14 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 05 2019 04:12 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 04:10 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 05 2019 04:08 Grackaroni wrote:
I guess it's mostly up to Rels/Koshi if this lynch is going to change.
I don't like this lynch at all. BC's case was just that HF usually plays more aggressively as mafia, and that's definitely not the meta read that people like Rayn/Koshi would use to read HF who are both good players that play with HF frequently. I don't know why BC/WBG are the Holyflare experts when they haven't really played with him in years.
I think HF's content has been good this game and I think that he has actually pushed his views aggressively. grack I hope you're just a clueless townie here because if HF flips scum you're going to have a lot of explaining to do Do you understand how this mafia game works. When have you ever seen a mafia hard defend their teammate like this? I can't even think of any instance. hello? The last game we played together, I did exactly that?? rofl I literally don't remember. It's certainly not the norm for people to do. Maybe it's worth it if the votes are close but they aren't really that close and who exactly is grack trying to convince? Likely mafia and some afkers. Hardly worth it if at all.
MY POWERS OF PERSUASION COMPEL YOU.
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On May 05 2019 04:24 wherebugsgo wrote:grack I have a quiz for you. Can you guess HF's alignment in each of these posts? 1. Show nested quote +On November 02 2017 08:31 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax came to the thread sheeped a really obvious read and grumbled about being a pro sheep and that's about it. The read itself is imo bad because he's posted since then and vivax didn't use any of that and then he continued to do nothing. Didn't even grumble about me and lynching me which is his favourite pastime.
Damerion, as explained, jumped on specifically one shockeyy post and voted to lynch him which is totally out of character from his meandering walls of narrative that eventually lead to a vote in previous games and that instantly jumped out. I don't think he'd do that as town.
Ticktock I feel like he comes into the game to make comments that aren't particularly difficult and sounds arbitrary and made up and then he leaves again after "contributing". It feels very artificial to me and I have no idea why so many people say they like it. 2. Show nested quote +On May 11 2017 21:19 Holyflare wrote:
Well grack definitely can be. I just haven't really looked into anything. Everything he does is weird though. He says df/vivax definitely contains mafia, spends no real time talking about them and votes you instead.
He was super submissive to rayn.
He spent all that time basically trying to outline to me that your and df's points were different and he had no conclusion on me, you or df other than "people's conclusions can be different" and was just basically arguing for the sake of it.
His interactions with me are all defensive.
Underwhelming, definitely, scummy motivation, maybe? You've definitely got under his skin at least. 3. Show nested quote +On June 05 2018 07:39 Holyflare wrote:
I find it incredibly hard to think there's been any mafia motivation in my play. All I've done is call it like I've seen it. If I was wrong then fair enough, I was wrong but just because I haven't had the time to play nor come back with ferocity that you "think" I should have does not make me mafia.
It's tough for me to decide what alignment you are though because there's so much stacked up against you. I have a feeling that you're stuck in a corner and instead of natural reevaluation you did the typical mafia scenario of doubling down on your read on me because it makes the most "sense" from your perspective. The problem is it doesn't make sense. Everything you write tries to paint me as some mastermind that played for the long game yet I haven't even really been playing the game so I don't understand how you can simultaneously think both things.
It's also quite telling that you said my partner was darthfoley but didn't even look at the vote count last cycle (which you afked your vote on me in) where I actually tried (and almost succeeded) to kill darthfoley, my alleged partner as a shenanigan. What would be the point at all?
It's this lack of critical analysis combined with the most posts that I've ever seen you write (and all the day 1 vote crap) that leads me to think you are mafia.
Shit.
#1 I'm pretty sure HF was town and Damerion was different but I think he was also town that game and that I totally called it too.
#2 probably HF is town and I am mafia? It sounds a lot like I was mafia.
#3 HF mafia?
Tbh I probably played in all of these games and still could be wrong.
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#3 definitely seems to be the one that would support your conclusion for mafia HF.
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On May 05 2019 04:35 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 04:33 Grackaroni wrote:On May 05 2019 04:24 wherebugsgo wrote:grack I have a quiz for you. Can you guess HF's alignment in each of these posts? 1. On November 02 2017 08:31 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax came to the thread sheeped a really obvious read and grumbled about being a pro sheep and that's about it. The read itself is imo bad because he's posted since then and vivax didn't use any of that and then he continued to do nothing. Didn't even grumble about me and lynching me which is his favourite pastime.
Damerion, as explained, jumped on specifically one shockeyy post and voted to lynch him which is totally out of character from his meandering walls of narrative that eventually lead to a vote in previous games and that instantly jumped out. I don't think he'd do that as town.
Ticktock I feel like he comes into the game to make comments that aren't particularly difficult and sounds arbitrary and made up and then he leaves again after "contributing". It feels very artificial to me and I have no idea why so many people say they like it. 2. On May 11 2017 21:19 Holyflare wrote:
Well grack definitely can be. I just haven't really looked into anything. Everything he does is weird though. He says df/vivax definitely contains mafia, spends no real time talking about them and votes you instead.
He was super submissive to rayn.
He spent all that time basically trying to outline to me that your and df's points were different and he had no conclusion on me, you or df other than "people's conclusions can be different" and was just basically arguing for the sake of it.
His interactions with me are all defensive.
Underwhelming, definitely, scummy motivation, maybe? You've definitely got under his skin at least. 3. On June 05 2018 07:39 Holyflare wrote:
I find it incredibly hard to think there's been any mafia motivation in my play. All I've done is call it like I've seen it. If I was wrong then fair enough, I was wrong but just because I haven't had the time to play nor come back with ferocity that you "think" I should have does not make me mafia.
It's tough for me to decide what alignment you are though because there's so much stacked up against you. I have a feeling that you're stuck in a corner and instead of natural reevaluation you did the typical mafia scenario of doubling down on your read on me because it makes the most "sense" from your perspective. The problem is it doesn't make sense. Everything you write tries to paint me as some mastermind that played for the long game yet I haven't even really been playing the game so I don't understand how you can simultaneously think both things.
It's also quite telling that you said my partner was darthfoley but didn't even look at the vote count last cycle (which you afked your vote on me in) where I actually tried (and almost succeeded) to kill darthfoley, my alleged partner as a shenanigan. What would be the point at all?
It's this lack of critical analysis combined with the most posts that I've ever seen you write (and all the day 1 vote crap) that leads me to think you are mafia. Shit. #1 I'm pretty sure HF was town and Damerion was different but I think he was also town that game and that I totally called it too. #2 probably HF is town and I am mafia? It sounds a lot like I was mafia. #3 HF mafia? Tbh I probably played in all of these games and still could be wrong. congratulations, you answered incorrectly. your prize for not knowing how to read HF is a ticket to get on this fucking lynch train and sheep the people who do
What's the correct answer?
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On May 05 2019 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 04:37 Grackaroni wrote:On May 05 2019 04:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 05 2019 04:33 Grackaroni wrote:On May 05 2019 04:24 wherebugsgo wrote:grack I have a quiz for you. Can you guess HF's alignment in each of these posts? 1. On November 02 2017 08:31 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax came to the thread sheeped a really obvious read and grumbled about being a pro sheep and that's about it. The read itself is imo bad because he's posted since then and vivax didn't use any of that and then he continued to do nothing. Didn't even grumble about me and lynching me which is his favourite pastime.
Damerion, as explained, jumped on specifically one shockeyy post and voted to lynch him which is totally out of character from his meandering walls of narrative that eventually lead to a vote in previous games and that instantly jumped out. I don't think he'd do that as town.
Ticktock I feel like he comes into the game to make comments that aren't particularly difficult and sounds arbitrary and made up and then he leaves again after "contributing". It feels very artificial to me and I have no idea why so many people say they like it. 2. On May 11 2017 21:19 Holyflare wrote:
Well grack definitely can be. I just haven't really looked into anything. Everything he does is weird though. He says df/vivax definitely contains mafia, spends no real time talking about them and votes you instead.
He was super submissive to rayn.
He spent all that time basically trying to outline to me that your and df's points were different and he had no conclusion on me, you or df other than "people's conclusions can be different" and was just basically arguing for the sake of it.
His interactions with me are all defensive.
Underwhelming, definitely, scummy motivation, maybe? You've definitely got under his skin at least. 3. On June 05 2018 07:39 Holyflare wrote:
I find it incredibly hard to think there's been any mafia motivation in my play. All I've done is call it like I've seen it. If I was wrong then fair enough, I was wrong but just because I haven't had the time to play nor come back with ferocity that you "think" I should have does not make me mafia.
It's tough for me to decide what alignment you are though because there's so much stacked up against you. I have a feeling that you're stuck in a corner and instead of natural reevaluation you did the typical mafia scenario of doubling down on your read on me because it makes the most "sense" from your perspective. The problem is it doesn't make sense. Everything you write tries to paint me as some mastermind that played for the long game yet I haven't even really been playing the game so I don't understand how you can simultaneously think both things.
It's also quite telling that you said my partner was darthfoley but didn't even look at the vote count last cycle (which you afked your vote on me in) where I actually tried (and almost succeeded) to kill darthfoley, my alleged partner as a shenanigan. What would be the point at all?
It's this lack of critical analysis combined with the most posts that I've ever seen you write (and all the day 1 vote crap) that leads me to think you are mafia. Shit. #1 I'm pretty sure HF was town and Damerion was different but I think he was also town that game and that I totally called it too. #2 probably HF is town and I am mafia? It sounds a lot like I was mafia. #3 HF mafia? Tbh I probably played in all of these games and still could be wrong. congratulations, you answered incorrectly. your prize for not knowing how to read HF is a ticket to get on this fucking lynch train and sheep the people who do What's the correct answer? You were only incorrect about the second one, that's scumflare  #1 is town vig, Heroes of the Storm killed n2 #2 is mafia vanilla, Generic Mini II lynched d4 #3 is mafia vanilla, Elementary Mafia survived d4
lol so he made me think that I was mafia. Pro plays.
#1 I wasn't actually in so maybe Damerion was mafia.
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Now THIS is a day with a potential last minute shennanny.
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EVERYBODY FOLLOW GRACKARONI
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Wait until people find out that the mafia are actually Slam and Rels.
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lol HF if you flip mafia I am going to look sooooo shitty.
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Lynch into Pandain/lurkers imo.
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WBG's push was probably not scum.
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On May 05 2019 05:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
I knew it fuck
lol how did you know it you voted HF.
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I just hope they don't kill me, Grackaroni.
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