On May 11 2019 04:53 Grackaroni wrote:
Duly noted.

I probably should have written a case but I spent last night playing BOTW. I killed some centaur dude. It was worth it.

it's a great game.

Pandain

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May 10 2019 19:59 GMT

#2255

If I'm wrong I'm just going to crawl into a corner and die

Pandain

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May 10 2019 20:00 GMT

#2258

Pandain

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May 10 2019 20:01 GMT

#2260

oh my fucking god

Pandain

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May 10 2019 20:01 GMT

#2261

it's over

Pandain

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May 10 2019 20:02 GMT

#2263

I want to see the obs QT hahahahhaa

Grack what was your strategy if you lived today? Shoot bugs and push who?

Pandain

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May 10 2019 20:19 GMT

#2272

Hahahahaha obsQT was calling Grack the best town player in the game. "Would be an absolute travesty if he got lynched" :D

By the way, bugs was town to me not because of "activity" but because of his genuine obvious enthusiasm. That kind of stuff can be hard to fake. It was pretty obvious to me when he was pushing HF that he genuinely thought HF was scum. Combine that with stuff like his spreadsheet, and his consistent neverending interactions trying to figure out what people thought it was a strong townread for me.

Glad we pulled this off. Really happy with my play this game, getting Koshi, Vivax, and Grack. I was only really wrong on FF.

By the way, it is weird when someone is too right. For instance, when Grack said I was easily the best player in the game still alive, it felt that way to me but definitely shouldn't have felt obvious to other people. Then when he defended HF with an absolute certainty that has got to raise alarm bells. There is a huge difference between strongly thinking someone is town and thinking there's absolutely no way he's scum.

Pandain

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May 10 2019 20:21 GMT

#2273

Great shot by VE.

I also think Grack would have won if he didn't get lynched that night.

Pandain

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May 10 2019 20:22 GMT

#2275

On May 11 2019 05:19 Pandain wrote:

By the way, it is weird when someone is too right. For instance, when Grack said I was easily the best player in the game still alive, it felt that way to me but definitely shouldn't have felt obvious to other people. Then when he defended HF with an absolute certainty that has got to raise alarm bells. There is a huge difference between strongly thinking someone is town and thinking there's absolutely no way he's scum.

To continue off this, if you're always right in a game, it's probably because you know things other players don't know....

Pandain

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May 10 2019 20:23 GMT

#2278

On May 11 2019 05:22 Alakaslam wrote:

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This is excellent townhunting advice. I tried my hardest to be cocksure and well you can see where that went lol

I thought you were town as soon as you basically said "Fuck off this is all the time I get and I do what seems best, what else do you want from me? " It both was extremely genuine and explained why you were approaching the game in a unique way (like filtering HF)

Pandain

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May 10 2019 20:24 GMT

#2281

FF you had some awesome moments in this game. Sorry for my bad meta read D:

Pandain

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May 10 2019 20:33 GMT

#2285

Bugs you made me feel like an idiot for wanting to push away from MZ.

If he was scum I was just going to hide in a cave and probably never play another game.

Pandain

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May 10 2019 20:35 GMT

#2286

Was really fun playing with everyone! Really also enjoyed the HF lynch even though that ended up being an absolute mess, as well as working with Bugs and VE day 3.

Thanks to the hosts! You guys are awesome.

Pandain

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May 10 2019 21:05 GMT

#2295

Great play Grack.

Pretty much nearly got to the endgame with having one of your team be modkilled and the other shot.

On May 11 2019 05:44 Jockmcplop wrote:
Haha its fine I was experimenting a bit but it turned out i was actually just being a douche.
I'll be back for the next normal game for sure

Can't wait to play with you again.

An important lesson to be reinforced from this game is that establishing you as townie can be just as valuable as you actually finding scum. It was pretty obvious to me that Bugs was town, and I had a very strong town read on Slams (and lesser extent MZ) after my interactions with them. It was just as much process of elimination as it was a scum read on Grack which led me to push for his lynch at the end of the day.

If you are able to establish yourself as a universal town-read, you are super dangerous to mafia as the game gets to the end-game. VE also was awesome at this even before his vig shot.

It was my biggest flaw this game, I had an especially shit night/day 2 and I relied too much on my Vivax vote to help show I was town. Instead it hugely backfired, and my shit night two and inactivity helped a lot of people think I was scum despite me being on the right track most of the game. Definitely good lessons to learn.

On May 11 2019 06:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Wow Pandain I do owe you a huge apology, honestly your insistence that I was town was really scaring me haha. I wish you had been around more yesterday evening bc you almost had me sold on grack.

Well played everyone... I told you I was gonna blow your mind Bugs lol

I just couldn't see you as scum asking to be lynched two days in a row. The balls would be enormous. It was definitely possible but I didn't see it likely. I could see maybe one night, but two?

I wish I had been more active during the night, unfortunately I got really busy and I was feeling demotivated after the failed FF lynch.

Pandain

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May 10 2019 21:42 GMT

#2299

Funnily enough Grack helps prove that my defense of myself was shit. I said I was town because I pushed Vivax and Koshi but Grack did the same thing :D

Grack the master of shenanigans and bussing.

I think there's no real good way to defend yourself just by talking about yourself. Sure, it's important to explain your past actions, but the best way to "prove" your town is just to continue scum hunting and pushing for people, not repeatedly responding to people's concerns about yourself.

I'm not sure I convinced anyone I was town until when I started really contributing day 3 and on.

Pandain

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May 10 2019 21:52 GMT

#2304

VE I feel like your shot was especially legendary because I don't think you even posted a scum-read of Koshi in thread before you shot him.

If there aren't any new games that people are making, I might create one and have it start in a month or so. Probably just make it a normal game. I've played mafia for a long time and would love to give back in a small way and also try hosting.

Pandain

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May 10 2019 21:57 GMT

#2308

Oh by the way Rayn, I saw that you thought my post where I said "I would never lynch Bugs and am just auto-assuming he's town" was really stupid. Yeah 100% agree with you. I didn't actually believe that. I just posted it because I wanted Bugs to keep me alive in case he was mafia.

Of course I had a strong town read on him but if he survived to the end game I was probably voting Bugs.

On May 11 2019 06:55 VisceraEyes wrote:

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Damn you did that on purpose? Respect.

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