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On May 08 2019 20:33 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2019 14:50 Alakaslam wrote:
Like what does one even do to prove innocence? I thought here the sole tubería was trying to look for scum? Not much, honestly. If you, for instance, have a doubt about someone you think is scum and you ask me about that person and explain why you are asking (it can be in the same post or a different one) that’s an easy way to show you’re trying to figure out the game. I townread Pandain really hard because Pandain has written things that indicate P is trying to figure out the game from a standpoint of limited information. (This applies to BC and VE as well, prior to VE being confirmed) If that happens enough times in ways that make sense, the hurdle for that person being scum is so high you can just basically ignore the possibility until you get (enough) evidence that is very difficult to ignore. Compare this to FF. There were times when I thought that FF was trying to figure out the game but not enough, and the messages were far more conflicting. FF was a much harder read and it was way easier to convince me that he’s scum.
Ok, but filter diving and giving literally every impression that hits my mind is somehow not honest enough? Or is it some form of effort? Like I have to fabricate something?
Isn’t that a lie? Isn’t lying what scum had to do?
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On May 08 2019 20:56 Pandain wrote:
I just have an extremely strong feeling MZ is going to flip town. Like I said, it would have made no sense to push FF if he was in the endgame and FF was very very townread.
Like there was no reason to assume the lynch would change. So if he was scum he was just giving up? Doesn't seem like it.
I could see a hail Mary play
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On May 08 2019 21:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think Slam. Grack's play, while being less active than some, has been PRETTY consistently more active than others.
And conversely from Slam, he DOES mention Koshi pretty regularly, as early as D1 drawing attention to him.
Yeah. Between the two, I think it's pretty easily Slam.
Then you need to realize something.
You lynched FECALFEAST before me when I TOLD YOU IN ADVANCE that I would singlehandedly sink the game.
I ALREADY TOLD YOU.
So.
Lynch me then MZ is my recommendation. If we lose to Pandain, then as you said, he earned this win.
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On May 08 2019 21:11 Pandain wrote:
It's not just about activity. Anyone, even mafia, can be active. It's about meaningful activity, and clearly showing that you care about the game and seriously showing that you're trying to solve it.
It's also part of why Slam is suspicious. He has 8 pages of filter and I don't actually think one is a good post. I mean he's a spammer but is he normally this bad?
This is pretty normal Slam.
Actually I think he's been more outspoken than usual in his push on you this game.
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On May 08 2019 21:02 VisceraEyes wrote:Why the opposite conclusion?
Because his pants are on his head or he is mafia saving the easier lynch for last.
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On May 08 2019 21:11 Pandain wrote:
It's not just about activity. Anyone, even mafia, can be active. It's about meaningful activity, and clearly showing that you care about the game and seriously showing that you're trying to solve it.
It's also part of why Slam is suspicious. He has 8 pages of filter and I don't actually think one is a good post. I mean he's a spammer but is he normally this bad?
Yeah, I really hope you’re Mafia just so this post isn’t so bad.
Using another of the definitions of bad as well. See, it’s bad because I replaced and said I would only be able to give this game sporadic attention yet you expect results.
You try not reading 30 pages in the context and producing results.
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On May 08 2019 21:19 Pandain wrote:
I mean if you want to actually try to analyze slam you find terrible things:
Complains about time but uses it uselessly
1. Whole last day was going through HF filter (why would we even think HF is accurate, and I think town has been pretty good so far on Vivax and Koshi even though they didn't die from getting lynched). It was all useless and spammy and pointless an
Wanted to vote me and never ever justified it. Even said he wanted to martyr
Like half his posts are spam, 1/4 are HF posts, and 1/4 are about me. But he never justified it even after I asked him.
But is this because he's mafia or because he's just useless?
BECAUSE HE WAS.
HF nailed two of the scum early! BC also did but he fell apart.
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I don't think Slam is mafia.
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On May 08 2019 21:19 Pandain wrote:
I mean if you want to actually try to analyze slam you find terrible things:
Complains about time but uses it uselessly
1. Whole last day was going through HF filter (why would we even think HF is accurate, and I think town has been pretty good so far on Vivax and Koshi even though they didn't die from getting lynched). It was all useless and spammy and pointless an
Wanted to vote me and never ever justified it. Even said he wanted to martyr
Like half his posts are spam, 1/4 are HF posts, and 1/4 are about me. But he never justified it even after I asked him.
But is this because he's mafia or because he's just useless?
Also you’re slanderizing like HF
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On May 08 2019 21:22 Pandain wrote:
But the man needs to die. Even as a late policy lynch and even if he's town. YOU DIDNT JUST CONGRATULATE THE DOCTOR YOU EVEN KNOW I AM TOWN AND WANT PEOPLE TO LYNCH ME ANYWAY!
If you are able to have 8 pages you are not "low on time", at least not enough to the point where you are this useless and incapable of doing a single actual analysis. Both as town and mafia, it's inexcusable to have the amount of useless spam, sheeping, and generally uncomprehensible material.
Pandain is so fucking scummy to me man! The slander, the changing opinions, justifying his shitass shot on BC which I guess is brilliant because he knows you fools?
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yeah nah slam is not scum
I’m back to MZ/grack and I give grack a better chance to not be scum
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On May 08 2019 21:27 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2019 21:20 Pandain wrote:
When your main argument against him is "he never mentioned Koshi!" you know that it's a pretty weak argument. And it's not because he's not mafia, it's because there's literally nothing in the filter you can analyze. He might as well not have posted at all than post 8 pages, it's the same result. I disagree with your premise. Koshi flipped as the mafia team's most important role. Especially given their only other role was modkilled. Slam replacing in and then proceeding to ignore Koshi entirely, while everyone else who's alive today had at the very least mentioned Koshi or drawn attention to him at the time, is entirely damning in my eyes.
Fucking hell VE you dumbass.
Did I ever mention HF while he was alive?
How about WBG do I mention WBG much at all?
How about grack I have almost nothing to say about him right?
How about VIvax?
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On May 08 2019 21:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
grack why did you flip your read on me being town?
Like I don’t really get the progression and it makes you look really scummy. I can’t get over how it seems you’re always on the right side of the lynch eventually in terms of opinions, but as far as I can tell you have little to no influence in the lynch beforehand. You don’t really participate in the discussions I’d expect you to participate in, and you kind of just shit on people’s posts from the periphery. Why did you accuse Pandain of trying to bus Vivax d1 when you also sheeped that same vote? idk. Just talk it out here, I’m rather confused because I don’t find clear takeaways about your reads.
I explained my reasoning on Jock and HF was pretty clear to me and I still think he shouldn't have been lynched. He had the best contributions in the game and you killed him for not being aggressive (when you also fucking said he was the town leader)
It wasn't that he voted Vivax, it's the appearance of the posts. The EOD posts looked to me like he knew Vivax was scum and ensured he would get good town-cred from the vote.
Honestly I'm going to have to take another look at Pandain in case of hero scum play even though he's played easily the strongest game here out of the players here and has had the best cases/scumhunting. Though I think the difference between Pandain this game and in the last scum game he played is pretty night and day.
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On May 08 2019 21:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
@slam you fucker pay arrention you asshat
Would you kill grack or MZ?
In a (me/Pandain), you, grack world who would you kill?
What about (me/Pandain) you, MZ?
MZ
Pandain or grack.
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it’s fucking pandain I am done reading this
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On May 08 2019 21:20 Pandain wrote:
When your main argument against him is "he never mentioned Koshi!" you know that it's a pretty weak argument. And it's not because he's not mafia, it's because there's literally nothing in the filter you can analyze. He might as well not have posted at all than post 8 pages, it's the same result.
I think he's pretty clearly low on time. He just makes a spam of like a page of posts in every 20 minute span that he is here.
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On May 09 2019 00:00 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2019 21:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think Slam. Grack's play, while being less active than some, has been PRETTY consistently more active than others.
And conversely from Slam, he DOES mention Koshi pretty regularly, as early as D1 drawing attention to him.
Yeah. Between the two, I think it's pretty easily Slam. Then you need to realize something. You lynched FECALFEAST before me when I TOLD YOU IN ADVANCE that I would singlehandedly sink the game. I ALREADY TOLD YOU. So. Lynch me then MZ is my recommendation. If we lose to Pandain, then as you said, he earned this win.
I think it's MZ and we just don't have to worry about it. But yeah, I'm down to lynch you after MZ fo sho.
Look Slam, don't feel bad, the game is fucked. It was fucked from the beginning by town not doing anything about lurkers. We should have lynched a lurker when we lynched HF. But instead we didn't and now we're paying for it. This isn't on you, it's on all the lurkers and the townies who didn't punish them.
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Slam look through the quote and who VE responded to there.
I find it really hard to believe that scum Pandain here could fake that, he’s potentially agreeing with a read but disagreeing with reasons, and fairly good reasons at that. If he’s scum he has no incentive to do that, there are much easier paths and he could just echo VE’s sentiment and find reasons to help confirm that bias
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On May 08 2019 21:22 Pandain wrote:
But the man needs to die. Even as a late policy lynch and even if he's town.
If you are able to have 8 pages you are not "low on time", at least not enough to the point where you are this useless and incapable of doing a single actual analysis. Both as town and mafia, it's inexcusable to have the amount of useless spam, sheeping, and generally uncomprehensible material.
Woops quoted the wrong post.
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On May 09 2019 00:11 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2019 21:27 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 08 2019 21:20 Pandain wrote:
When your main argument against him is "he never mentioned Koshi!" you know that it's a pretty weak argument. And it's not because he's not mafia, it's because there's literally nothing in the filter you can analyze. He might as well not have posted at all than post 8 pages, it's the same result. I disagree with your premise. Koshi flipped as the mafia team's most important role. Especially given their only other role was modkilled. Slam replacing in and then proceeding to ignore Koshi entirely, while everyone else who's alive today had at the very least mentioned Koshi or drawn attention to him at the time, is entirely damning in my eyes. Fucking hell VE you dumbass. Did I ever mention HF while he was alive? How about WBG do I mention WBG much at all? How about grack I have almost nothing to say about him right? How about VIvax?
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You motherfucker.
You set up fucking STRAW MEN and you call me a DUMBASS?!?!?!
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