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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 05 2019 23:49 GMT
#3649
On March 06 2019 08:49 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 08:47 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 06 2019 08:43 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 06 2019 08:41 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 06 2019 08:40 LightningStrike wrote:
This nk anticipation is killing me. BTW on mobile guys.

It's Iamp and Vivax methinks.

Why you think those two?

Just putting in my guess. Those are very Grackaroni night kills. Kill off the really townie people that won't be read as scum because they can't play as scum.

I never played with iamp before so I cant say much about that unless I dig up his old games later but Vivax I agree on the logic.

Iamp is similar to Vivax. Much stronger town game than scum game.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 05 2019 23:52 GMT
#3654
On March 06 2019 08:51 Vivax wrote:
Just kill BH and then report him to BH in the banlist for throwing the game.

He's way ahead of you. He suspended the ban list prior to joining!

Coincidence???
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 06 2019 00:01 GMT
#3679
On March 06 2019 09:00 Mocsta wrote:
Koshi + AMG i reckon.

AMG is a good player

AMG is a vig shot.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 06 2019 00:04 GMT
#3691
On March 06 2019 09:02 AMG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 09:01 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 06 2019 09:00 Mocsta wrote:
Koshi + AMG i reckon.

AMG is a good player

AMG is a vig shot.


If someones felt the need to remove me from the game for something Pandain did, thats a shame but I guess it achieves my objective of not having to read 150 pages.

Otherwise, vigging me for anything in the last 24 hours is crap but i suppose out of my control.

Nah I just meant if you die it wouldn't be by mafia.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 06 2019 00:06 GMT
#3701
I'm sheeping the Sentinel read from Marv/Palmar.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 06 2019 00:07 GMT
#3704
I think it's good.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 06 2019 00:14 GMT
#3723
On March 06 2019 09:13 marvellosity wrote:
Gg, was a pleasure!

I didn't even get one second of Marv attention.

Boo Marv.

+ Show Spoiler +
And now he can't even sass me either
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 06 2019 01:12 GMT
#3799
Ok I'm going to stick around for the next 5 hours or so and see what I can find.

I need to see cooler heads prevail here even though I think HF is a dumbass. I have nothing against lynching Palmar day 1. I just think that Palmar's posts this game were pretty obviously high quality posts ignoring his name.

HF is probably not mafia. Early in the day multiple people said that he was a worse mayor choice than Palmar because he was liable to do something stupid. I knew he would do something stupid. His ego tells him that the only way that Palmar can have more votes than him is if Palmar is mafia. To no surprise he does something stupid. There is maybe a 10% chance that HF makes a calculated play as mafia to get rid of Palmar knowing he can talk his way out of the lynch the next day.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 06 2019 01:26 GMT
#3814
SL why are you voting HF?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 06 2019 01:32 GMT
#3817
What happened to the SL that wrapped himself in tin foil?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 06 2019 01:34 GMT
#3818
Is TT a boy or a girl? I thought she said she was a woman at the start of the game, but I've always assumed TT was a guy in previous games.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 06 2019 01:38 GMT
#3821
On March 06 2019 10:38 Holyflare wrote:
Would appreciate if we could get some vote analysis and scum reads going on guys, that'd be good.

I've only made it to page 109. I'd be closer if you didn't talk so much!
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 06 2019 01:42 GMT
#3831
On March 06 2019 10:40 Holyflare wrote:
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On March 06 2019 10:38 sicklucker wrote:
the only compromise I think I can make is kill bh first. but if bh is town we lose. IF bh is mafia hf is mafia so why not just go straight for the gut


and just ignore what I wrote where it's likely we both could be town?

Vivax being town doesn't make BH town. His whole play right now is to be seen as wanting to be lynched, so it makes sense that he wouldn't vote to save himself.

BH has shown that he has lots of time to contribute if he wants to. If he doesn't then he's giving us no reason not to lynch him.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 06 2019 01:46 GMT
#3840
On March 05 2019 06:58 Tumblewood wrote:
like. you know what i dig. iamp as mayor (unless we could realistically pull of koshi, or fuck it, me). and then we lynch conv, trfel, grack, maaaybbe tube, BH, exo. and the mayor does good stuff

Tumble your scum reads are disappearing and I know my alignment.

Have any exciting new ideas?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 06 2019 01:54 GMT
#3851
Tumble thoughts on HF/Rayn
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 06 2019 01:56 GMT
#3855
@Tumble, by the way, I really do like you reads when you're town, I just don't really think you are so far this game.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 06 2019 02:20 GMT
#3896
On March 06 2019 10:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
BC is a scummers. This post before deadline reeks:

+ Show Spoiler +

On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else.

Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you.

So no I am not down for lynching him -_-


If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison.

We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing.

So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game.


How about instead we look into this pool.

Onegu
Why?
1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt.
2) Reads currently given have no substance to them
3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements
4) Basically just has posts with 0 content


Iamperfection

I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it.

Show nested quote +
On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question.

i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow.

i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment


Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons.
He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players
Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum.




He gets to come in, yell at town, and then set himself up to look vindicated if Palmar dies. No comments on any of the active wagons of which we know two (trfel, conv) were town, and says he disagrees with some of Palmar's reads without going into specifics. Very easy way to posture for 'town points' without needing to commit to anything.

Besides that he's jumped on a couple other points but hasn't accomplished any real scum hunting in thread.

This is plaigarism lol. Exact same word choice as Ace.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 06 2019 02:23 GMT
#3899
As a wise man once said:


wiggles
wiggles
wiggles
wiggles
wiggles
wiggles
wiggles
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 06 2019 03:23 GMT
#3926
+ Show Spoiler +

On March 05 2019 08:23 Holyflare wrote:
Arbitrary list. Please tell me which of the ones I haven't read should be read asap. Bit annoying the bottom half of the player list has a lot of scummy people to read. I cba writing anymore so close to deadline.


11) sicklucker
14) Damdred
16) Jockmcplop
18) Vivax
19) [UoN]Sentinel
20) Grackaroni
21) rsoultin
23) Pandain
24) darthfoley
25) Conversion
29) Meapak_Ziphh
31) BloodyC0bbler
33) Alakaslam
35) Rels



Town

Koshi
iamperfection




Town-ish

tubesock (Could be wrong on him but his filter seems clean and he's making his own conclusions (albeit just on trfel, but trfel is the new flavour of the month and he was first so looks ok)

Fecalfeast (Don't hate anything he's said. In fact on page 2 of his filter everything he says there kind of aligns with what I've been thinking. His vote platform seems carefree and like he doesn't really give a shit, just wants to do his own thing. Very acro focused but not in an awful way. Content seems minimal though so he's not up at town.




Null

Onegu (legit has done 0 things)

Mr. Wiggles (seems resolute in looking at unturned stones, could just be blending but seems ok(?) Asked me to look into one of the T guys (tube?) but he didn't look bad in his filter at all so dropped to null)

WaveofShadow I want to believe Wave has a lack of emotion but he's done this exact thing of lurking and feigning before. I'd find it hard to motivate myself if I rolled mafia in this big game after a massive break like him too He hasn't got anything to go on really. Scummy just appearing.

Ace (Really has achieved not much. Voted me for mayor which is a big + and the things he says aren't not-towny in a vacuum but until he reaches a conclusion and votes not a placeholder for lynch there's really nothing to go on. Has weird posts in relation to BH when he hasn't really commented on much of the game apart from that)

Oatsmaster (don't hate his new direction - which is still seemingly every direction - but he's digging at least)

Tictock (This would absolutely be in the lower categories if it wasn't for his big appeal to emotion post against me which I have a big weakness for. I don't like that he decided to do the catch up style this game. He misses questions aimed towards him, gave up the style and ignored the pages in between. His logic has been wonky on a lot of people's posts and he seems to make a determined decision on someone's alignment and then make a narrative without weighing up both sides. But that AtE post though....)

ExO_ When reading through the thread there was a discussion that exo was present for and he kept asking random questions and not really interacting with it and I voted him for it. Upon reading his filter I got a completely different clean impression so he's in a null placeholder until I re-read that whole time he was in thread.




Scum-ish

Tumblewood (looks very low effort, may be mistaken on this though but it's a lot of questions that don't end up much of anywhere and lots of seemingly sentiment following on mayor lynches)

Trfel (Feel disgusting doing this (putting him in null) after he scum reads sentinel for something that happened almost 72 hours ago but I don't think he says he doesn't think Oats is posting like mafia and then backtracks and votes for him as mafia. That seems like something he'd be too self conscious to do. But then he says things like "oats (pressure vote)" as if he never meant it so this started as null but it's actually now scum-ish)

Acrofales (This dude has looked scummy quite a lot. First was when he said he was sheeping Palmar because he trusted him more to find scum while scum reading the person I wanted to lynch. Then he said I didn't look that great because I was scum reading Oats for bad reasons and then he made a list of why Oats was scum which was entirely made up of my reasons. Then I said I scum read rayn and he said he doesn't scum read rayn. When Palmar came with a bs reason to scum read rayn Acro basically reneged on his plan to vote me because he agreed that Rayn looked like mafia when nothing from rayn had happened in between. Every time I think about these occurrences it makes me want to drop him down further. Don't ask me why I don't. He has ok looking breakthroughs every now and again)

raynpelikoneet Talked through me. Ignroed rsoultin. Disappeared and reappeared to appeal to me and vote palmar/(think he disliked acro too). Conflicted heavily at the moment.





Scum

Blazinghand (No RNG, no posts of content. Just doing whatever to seem like the good towny martyr. I think I've seen him do this exact play before as mafia.)

Mocsta (This dude, does anyone know where his head is at? I sure don't. He +1s my post scum reading Palmar, gets in a shit show with Palmar and then somehow bows down to him after having a meltdown like 2.4 seconds before over Palmar's really weak Conversion read????????????? Just read his filter progression with me and Palmar and be prepared to go "What?")

Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching.

This whole post to town read Damdred is so unnecessarily OTT it's ridiculous https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=88#1750

Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct.

Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point.

Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced.

After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.)



LightningStrike (No scum reads. Only mentioned MZ once or twice but never really actually said anything about him of substance. Rage quit from the thread but still votes and still afks in the background. He finds it really hard to write scum reads as scum because it's against his nature. He hasn't done the characteristic "these two are fighting so one of them is mafia" post that he always does as town. He hasn't really given anything to go on. Rage seemed forced. He's fucking voting Palmar, jeeeeezzuusss.)


Chezinu (This is without reading his filter and just off memory alone. He does not seem to be having fun, his RP posts are quite devoid of anything entertaining. He's been trying to determine if I'm blue. He has been actually posting reads and being serious which is a complete juxtaposition to any time I've ever ever seen Chezinu been town (or really mafia either) but from what I can see there seems to be agenda in Chez. I will update this on actually reading him because I can't remember a single one of his reads.


Hey, your town reads + Marv were slaughtered!
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 06 2019 14:16 GMT
#4212
On March 06 2019 22:32 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 22:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 06 2019 22:01 Tubesock wrote:
I’d scum the shit out if HF if he platformed killing Palmar, cased and scumread him, and didn’t kill him. Maybe MAYBE not if he killed scum instead. I think I’d still think he could be scum for killing a lurker mafia.

To me the ONLY plausible reason to scumread HF is because he said he tried to change it. And even that is 50/50 really. Everything else he’s done has been good for town.

People say he has a big ego, you think he thought Palmar was scum and wouldn’t shoot for epic plays???

You voters should be arguing that HF didn’t really believe his Palmar case.

But you can’t cause he did.

This! This is the thing that makes all "HF is scum" believers either retards or mafia.

You're scumming me, but I literally did that.

Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 20:50 Acrofales wrote:

I know you're new here, but what the hell is this? Doing "specifically pro-mafia stuff" is stuff town doesn't do. You say it's a bad read, but him killing Palmar was almost entirely off his ego being too big for Palmar to beat him in a mayor election. There isn't even any townie reasoning there, it is entirely based on "goal 1": the town isn't big enough for the two of them, so he kills Palmar. It wasn't a "bad read". It wasn't a read at all.


I don't have time right now to collect all my notes in one place, but this is clearly important. So here is his Palmar case:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2019 18:14 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:09 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:07 Holyflare wrote:
My mayor lynch will be on Palmar by the way.


I can get behind this, but what's the reasoning behind it?


Only talks about town reads, has no suspicions on pretty much anything in the game. Perpetuates nonsense policy lynch after he likes Sentinel's effort when he hasn't even read it. His last post about acro is entirely a wall of hedge whereby he looks like he's falsely weighing up Acro's alignment but really it's wishy washy and says nothing.

His iamp read looks completely bs too for similar reasons to his acro read. Iamp is town but wait here's reasons I can say he's not town later in the game.

None of this is concrete town palmar stuff. There's also the fact we can acknowledge that mafia were pushing for his candidacy if he does flip mafia


This was on sunday evening, when he was mostly right that Palmar hadn't played much yet. But they were both around all of monday, and nothing happened except HF's ego got more hurt:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 06:38 Holyflare wrote:
Palmar (11): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, Acrofales, Vivax, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, Trfel, Blazinghand

How has this guy got 11 people voting for him when his sole policy is only to kill Sentinel who doesn't even look bad?

Almost the entirety, if not THE entirety of this wagon is the sketchiest people in this game. It's even growing!


And this one is blatantly false:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 07:18 Holyflare wrote:
Especially now that more people are actually voting him when he has said nothing else of value.


Like... I did the exercise at the time, and tried to read Palmar as scum. I got through the weekend thinking he might be right, because Palmar posted a policy lynch and a bunch of town reads. I did find he was throwing off townie vibes, but figured it might have been him throwing me a green read to bedazzle me. But all of monday (the above post is made an hour and a bit before deadline), Palmar was deep diving people, engaging people, and hunting scum. Classifying that as "nothing of value" is nonsense.

So no, HF really didn't have much of a case on Palmar at all. Definitely not one that shows conviction, and certainly not one where he is trying to actually figure out if he's right or not. He parked the case on Sunday evening and didn't bother analysing anything Palmar did all of Monday.

Now I get that HF is apparently an egomaniac, but he is completely uncritical of his read. He doesn't return to it, just reiterates any time anybody asks that he will kill Palmar. Lamp and Koshi come to their own conclusions of Palmar. They were obviously wrong, but you can see their thought process and you can see Koshi engage with Palmar about it. Not so at all with HF.

You're directing this at the wrong person. HF actually addressed the posts that Palmar made on Monday. Rayn didn't and he voted HF for mayor so that HF would kill Palmar without commenting on what Palmar wrote about Sentinel/Conversion/Mocsta.

I have a lot more belief that HF had conviction in his Palmar read than I do that Rayn did.
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