End of the World Party Mafia - Page 386

On March 14 2019 02:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Not only do I believe chez's claim but I don't like any of the people who are voting for him right now.

Gonna vote Onegu for now.

On March 14 2019 02:46 ExO_ wrote:
Has TS done/said something recently that makes him more likely to be scum than myself? I though TS was basically in the same boat of being afk as I was and I'm curious why he's generally being more pushed than me.

On March 14 2019 02:53 Tubesock wrote:


Because I’m in that sweet spot where I’m easily forgotten and just don’t have much to contribute.

Wiggles then vivax didn’t like me but I think they are probably town. The ones who jumped on later though would be where the mafia are.

On March 14 2019 02:50 ExO_ wrote:
Can anybody voting for TS explain what made you think he was scummy, that didn't also apply to myself?

On March 14 2019 02:53 LightningStrike wrote:

He not getting lynched today.

On March 13 2019 20:31 Acrofales wrote:
Bah, chezinu is in the US, so there's no chance he'll respond to me any time soon. Gonna have to lay out his reasoning myself, which ruins the chance for him to prove he's not brown, but green. But I need to do it, to get all the reasoning out there, so we can get on with the real lynch of the day: Onegu.

Chezinu, the veteran

The claims:
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Up to this point, nobody really knew what to make of chez's claims, except FF, who picked it up, naturally, being the real hatter, as a truthful hatter claim. He sniffed out that this was a weird claim, and counterclaimed the shit out of it. What he didn't know was that chez was fake-claiming as the town veteran, and the moment he gets counterclaimed, instead of doubling down, he starts recanting, but only part of the claim:






Claims a role that requires getting shot at.





This is all... very weird if he's scum that just got counterclaimed. Scum that gets counterclaimed don't back down. They insist that there are 2 hatters in the game, that FF is lying or something else. They don't just kinda ignore the counterclaim. Not even chezinu. So why back down, but in such a weird way? Because he wanted scum to waste KP on him.

Note, there are numerous references to veteran incongruently scattered around his filter, which may just be talking about TL veterans, veteran players, or be breadcrumbing his role. The biggest one is the one he quoted earlier, but there are more. Of course, it's chezinu the brown, he who speaketh in riddles, so good luck deciding if they're breadcrumbs or just weird use of language. But they exist.

But the kicker is this: Chezinu knows he was never gonna get scumshot at night, so he claimed a role that scum does want to shoot. By claiming hatter, with bombs on probable townies, scum would totally shoot the shit out of him, and he'd soak up KP, exactly as he is intended to. His confusion about the role is because he never bothered to actually research hatters, and when counterclaimed kinda just dropped it. He was still playing at it halfheartedly during the night, but the big play he had imagined was already dead in the water.

The next day, when he doesn't end up dead, he gives up and posts the true role claim.

Could this all be an elaborate plot by a scum!Chezinu to save his bacon after his fakeclaim failed? Maybe, but nothing about his behaviour around the fakeclaim makes sense. He isn't calling FF out on it, he isn't imploring town that there are really two hatters, and he isn't pushing the matter at all. Scum doesn't just give up on fakeclaims. They insist, and wheedle.

So chezinu is a veteran.

Can there be two veterans and a medic in a 35player game? I'm inclined to say yes.

Chezinu the black, or Chezinu the red: if he's an sk/survivor with a bulletproof vest, or a mafia veteran, claiming hatter and trying to get shot doesn't make sense. The whole mindset is to survive, and avoiding getting shot is still the safest way of doing that, not using your bulletproof vest to soak a bomb. Mafia makes even less sense, because why not just shoot FF, and if the bomb is on chezinu, he survives, and if it's on someone else in FF's list of scumspects, it's a 2-for-1. Ez pickings, and a far better shot than TT.

So, Chezinu is green, not brown, and town may rejoice!

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The implications:

The fact that scum didn't shoot FF, means they already figured this shit out. They knew Chezinu was town and didn't kill FF anyway. Why not? Because they had figured out that it wouldn't be a 2-for-1 because they got chezinu's breadcrumbs. So next best solution: leave both alive and push the lynch to be between them on D4. Guess who is really adamant about that? Onegu.

Now, you say, nobody knew that, and it's obvious to lynch between the claim and the fake claim as a townie too. I grant you that, which makes everything Onegu has done today NAI (although I specifically went back to the start of the day to figure out who was taking the "easy way out" and focusing exclusively on the FF <> Chezinu situation, and one name really jumped out; guess whose).

So lets make a list of everything Onegu has done this game:

D1. Nothing
D2. Nothing
D3. Where it gets interesting.

He starts with pushing Pandain after he dayvig's HF, because there is "no way town does that". In particular, look at this post:

This just reeeeeeeeks of TMI. Note that this is from a guy who has not mentioned Palmar a single time in his filter, and has a grand total of two posts talking about HF. HF's alignment was definitely not obvious to me based on the flips, and even if you did think HF was town, did the N2 nightkills help you with that in the slightest. There is scum knowledge shining through in this post, in order to push for his lynch on Pandain.

The rest of the day, he is waffling about Chez. He leaps onto the wagon when my role is misunderstood. Jumps off when I clarify, and leaps back on at the slightest opportunity.

Has he ever explained the read? No. The only reason is the fakeclaim. Nothing else.

Then we get:

This is.... not good. Even if you believe scum didn't know sentinel was one of them, it was still good scumhunting to find sentinel. Even if you think the best you can credit the case with was scum-aligned-survivor, some people still look good for finding that. And Pandain looks best. Trying to remove that from the equation is anti-town play. Moreso, because he just doesn't want people townreading Pandain, who he still sees as lynchbait.


In terms of activity, this may have been true (didn't check), but in terms of usefulness or transparency? Onegu has played his cards close to his chest.

During D3 he posted about: pandain, and chezinu. That's it. Narrow focus. No scumhunting. Just latching onto these and trying to get them lynched. During N3 he kept up his laser focus on pandain and chezinu, and adds in muddying the waters around the sentinel lynch. That is it. There is no searching for the rest of the scumteam. No investigation. Nothing that townies do. This is not a town Onegu. This is a scum Onegu.

KILL ONEGU FOR TOWN JUSTICE

On March 14 2019 03:08 Onegu wrote:


I asked for clarification. You haven’t given it.

On March 14 2019 03:10 Onegu wrote:
I want to learn exactly what it did. Because I don’t understand the 5post thing.

postcounts = { name: 0 for name in players}
for post in posts:
   elif nightpost:
      break
   else:
      postcounts[post.get_author()] +=1

killable = []
for name, count in postcounts:
    if count <= 5:
        killable.append(name)


for name in players:
   if name not in votecount:
       killable.append(name)

print(killable)
   

On March 14 2019 03:10 Onegu wrote:
I want to learn exactly what it did. Because I don’t understand the 5post thing.

postcounts = { name: 0 for name in players}
for post in posts:
   if nightpost:
      break
   else:
      postcounts[post.get_author()] +=1

killable = []
for name, count in postcounts:
    if count <= 5:
        killable.append(name)


for name in players:
   if name not in votecount:
       killable.append(name)

print(killable)