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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
1. Mention HF fake claimed 2. Mention something about host actions and HF's actions around it 3. Call HF mafia because he lied BC/Ace/Pandain all repeat the same things ad nauseam and always always reach out to other people with "can't you guys see he LIED? My GOD guys, the travesty, he always does it but let's ignore and try to say it's scummy!" | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On March 06 2019 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I really think we should lynch Acrofales and i don't think anything is going to change my mind this phase anymore. He has now given himself a perfect narrative to do absolutely nothing than sound like a broken record repeating Holyflare is mafia because he did a stupid thing. The problem is if you don't kill him right now even if we lynch another mafia after N2 too many influential players are going to be dead and he will simply yell over anyone who's left and town and you will get irritated and lose interest to play. I know this because it's how i used to play as scum. Here is a list why Acrofales is mafia:
I encourage everyone to put your votes on Acrofales. All these Lighntingstrikes and Alakaslams need to get their heads out of their asses. Wave if you want to spend the rest of the game with scum 5-years-ago-rayn then be my guest and have your vote on HF as policy but don't complain after the game, especially in case Acrofales at some point decides to call you mafia and wants to have you lynched. You will not like it a single bit. The truth is Holyflare executing his scumread Palmar, however bad or stupid you may think that is, isn't actually even close to a good reasoning of him being mafia. I agree on the case on Ace. I had more thought on it and i think the fact that he was actually aware of Trfel (or at least looked like he is) suggests that it is more likely he did in fact know what Holyflare was about to do. I know a lot of people are saying Ace is too good as scum to do something like that but i don't believe that is the case. I think Ace decided he can use his activity as an excuse to "not know HF is gonna lynch Palmar", aka that he didn't see it, and did the numbers and thought he can get away with it. Also Ace is not like some fucking mafia god that doesn't make any mistakes. + Show Spoiler + I caught him once because scum nuked meapak and i went to fakeclaim the nuke when for any player who doesn't have TMI that nuke never comes from mafia. Ace got confused and started gunning on me being mafia completely ignoring the fact before. And he couldn't even keep his story straight. So yeah, it's not like Ace alwasy does the most optimal play as mafia. Mr.Wiggles is also mafia but that's for tomorrow. Calling out Acro on hypocrisy---fine and all but that just never ends up being how scum out themselves. I agree he scumread iamp way too long (and that was odd) but iamp's case on him was fairly weak to begin with. I can agree with your bringing up that Acro hasn't done a whole lot (that I can remember off the top of my head) since latching onto HF and I talk about that a little closer to the bottom---that feels like it's wroth looking into mroe as time passes. I don't think people should be taking free passes on HF at all despite that large garbagey post by Ace. I have to look into Acro himself a little closer. On March 07 2019 20:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is the last addition to my points on Acrofales, after this i will stop and probably afk. This is a big part of his case on rsoultin. rsoultin's early read on Palmar and where it came from. At this point Palmar had said; - not gonna play, it's weekend - Policy lynch Sentinel - HF might be town - "thanks i hate it" on one of my posts, whatever that meant - some more posts which say "lynch Sentinel" rsoultin agreed at the time with my read on Palmar, and Acrofales criticises the reasoning. The problem is that this is Acrofales' reasoning for me thinking Palmar is mafia: (1) Palmar thinking I [acro] was looking townie (2) Palmar wanting to policy kill Sent First of all (1) had never happened at that time. Second of all, for (2), i have absolutely no idea where he read rayn scumreads Palmar for wanting to lynch Sentinel, because these are all my words on Palmar at that point; I mean i literally encouraged his policy lynch rather than find it scummy. Okay so, let's pretend Acrofales made a mistake with timestamps and pretend i had all my stuff on Palmar already. here's the rest of what i updated on my read on him: this one isn't entirely about acrofales, and definitely NOT because he read him town I can maybe see how this turns into just "he townread Acro" in some idiots mind, but even if that was the case Palmar himself confessed he was guilty of this so how can rsoultin (or me) be blamed of being mafia because of a "shit scumread" when we actually called out CORRECT things regardless of Palmar's affiliation?? (note that while this is not a reason why rsoultin scumread Palmar, but Acrofales thought it is so it's relevant to the case). How can any fucking townie not read things above properly enough to: 1) call rsoultin scum based on that 2) what i bolded in red ????????????? The red was NOT a big part of his case on rsoul, I commented a lot on that earlier. As far as him making a mistake on you, first of all, seems obvious to me that mafia is less likely to make a mistake like that (especially for fear of drawing your attention because of how houndish you can be about little things like this). I see what you mean about the contradiction in how he scums you/rsoul but sue me Rayn,it doesn't feel all that egregious to me. The one thing bothering me the MOST about Acro's play is (like LS) he sheeped me pretty hardcore in regards to HF, and when I strayed from the path I had set up for myself, Acro stayed the course. I take issue with this only because I don't feel like I'm a player worth sheeping even at my best, and I certainly have not been playing my best. It gives me the willies when anyone decides I'm a strong enough voice to just latch on to. The rest of his play has been fine in my opinion and I don't plan on lynching him any time soon barring something super awful I find when I look him up. I think there are way higher priority targets to go on. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Vivax
22312 Posts
Now I didn't double check this fact, maybe there's a mention of one of them somewhere but certainly not nearly as clear about lynching them as they were about lynching HF. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On March 09 2019 05:53 Vivax wrote: WoS has a history of friendship with HF. LS with tina, Rels with a bunch of other people. Sadly it influences their game especially if the latter are scum and play the emo card. True. People still seem to think I ever fake emotions lol >< I've never understood the idea that only town can be emotional -shrugs- That said, most people don't base their reads soley off emotion and suggesting that this is what's happening here is misleading. Except I'm kinda sorta null-reading Rels cause he's angry as fuck at me lol >< | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
What made you post this: Also just FYI BC and Ace need to die with fire if either of them live to day four. ?? I want a definitive paragraph of why you scum read BC and Ace. All they have done is exactly the giant post that Ace has done repeatedly and what he just said was nothing new but was met with: On March 09 2019 05:07 Pandain wrote: Yeah ace is town. I might just start sheeping you. On March 09 2019 05:07 Pandain wrote: Feels good to have you here with town. Medics protect this man. That's why I think this is really disingenuous and fake. You have a scum read on them, that post Ace has done is stuck saying the same thing he's said forever and then you suddenly 180 for absolutely no reason whatsoever. Now you're mentioning about the fake claim, how you can't get past me lying BUT THAT's ALL BC/ACE HAS BEEN PUSHING AND YOU SCUM READ THEM. LOL. You are 100% without a shadow of a doubt mafia. Not a chance of town. Good day, sir. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On March 09 2019 05:53 Vivax wrote: WoS has a history of friendship with HF. LS with tina, Rels with a bunch of other people. Sadly it influences their game especially if the latter are scum and play the emo card. Honestly, I really like this post. You're right. I wouldn't say HF is playing the emo card though---almost everything he has done he can/has done as either alignment and that's honestly not what I'm reading him on. It comes down to the KISS principle (for those who don't know, Keep It Simple, Stupid). Is it more likely HF made a huge play to try and lynch Palmar early when he knew he'd be dodging suspicion the entirety of the rest of the game? Or more likely he did a stupid, stupid thing and bragged about it? The thing that has made me change my mind on him aside from this is that in the past I'd be lynching him out of fear because I know what he is capable of. I DO believe his capable of either of the things I laid out above, what I DON'T believe, is that he'd want to play the entire game under duress. Forget about his ridiculously long filter. There's nothing to be gained from trying to sift through that. Just analyze his behaviour around D1 and decide what you think---it's more likely to come from scum or town. I believe HF made an incredibly dumb and anti-town play in the name of attempting to be right. And while the Ace's and BC's (etc) of the world will try to tell you to lynch him for being anti-town (and in theory they're right of course) that's unfortunately not where TL Mafia has been for years now. If we only ever lynched liars/anti-town players/ lurkers, scum would win every single game. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Caught lying again 😂 | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On March 09 2019 06:02 WaveofShadow wrote: In regards to Ace/BC themselves, they are either both town and playing up their 'old school' nature (which is kind of annoying) or one of them is scum and playing it up even though they know it doesn't quite apply anymore. Pandain is scum for following it---the slot looked bad to me before AMG replaced in, AMG did dick all and posted some stats to make himself look better, then replaced out again. Why in hell would scum replace out of this game? Like holy shizanga I’d make that trade Being scum this game should be fun | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On March 09 2019 06:05 Alakaslam wrote: Why in hell would scum replace out of this game? Like holy shizanga I’d make that trade Being scum this game should be fun WOS will find this scummy btw | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On March 09 2019 06:04 Pandain wrote: I don't think they're mafia. I'm just stating a fact that if two of the best players in the game are still alive by day four and haven't been shot three nights in a row there's probably a reason why. It's a hypothetical future, not a current view. Why would people wanting a town HF lynched ever get NKd? :D | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On March 09 2019 06:06 Holyflare wrote: Why would people wanting a town HF lynched ever get NKd? :D This is an excellent point that you should have held onto. Now it is nullified. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
 Don't leave me buddy. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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Vivax
22312 Posts
On March 09 2019 06:12 Holyflare wrote: I have a feeling wave will die Don't leave me buddy. *casually knows he's not going to get killed* | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On March 09 2019 06:12 Holyflare wrote: I have a feeling wave will die Don't leave me buddy. Nah. There are higher priority targets. Universal townread isn't enough in this game since there's so much garbage still. | ||
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