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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
March 08 2019 19:42 GMT
#6001
Also I don't think mafia FF would dare having to be forced to be active by campaigning for himself asmayor.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
March 08 2019 19:45 GMT
#6002
On March 09 2019 04:05 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2019 03:34 Fecalfeast wrote:
Why are people trying to figure out what blues there still are at night?

You trying to suss out who to roleblock?

I wonder if you believe this or if you just want to act like you're pressuring me.

If I were trying to suss out who to roleblock while people are discussing blues what benefit would there be to entering thread to caution the flagrant discussion of blues at night?
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 08 2019 19:45 GMT
#6003
Well I can't do what I want correctly and may not be around before EoN so I'll try and get everything out now 😋.

First just some general thoughts. If we do not see a Scum death tonight and the 3KP holds up, we are starting Day 3 with at most 26 alive. Looking at it that way my previous post about KP is easily incorrect 😁. They really do probably need that much KP or 3rd party to wittle down 19/20 remaining people (doubt there are more than 6 scum in this game). That's in addition to town KP.

Anyone who is saying they think Holyflare is scum but won't lynch him because it's going to be too difficult and should be saved for LYLO is pretty much not worth keeping around. Cops and vigis should get their utmost attention. For whatever reasons that Holyflare will be alive Day 3, this support block needs to be eradicated. At this point I literally do not care that HF can possibly flip Town - he is detrimental to our win condition. Of course I find him funny so I would like to keep him around but I also want to win.

Additionally for cops, it's about to be Day 3 which means if you live you got off 2 investigations. If no Scum are dead going into the Day I think you should consider revealing results. Especially true if you've found scum. If you can clear Town that's also just as good. Some ppl would say hold your investigation unless your check is being lynched and you can't save them through discussion. There's also the belief of waiting till near deadline or late into the next night to reveal stuff. Whatever path you want to take do not let a known innocent die, a known scum escape the noose, or die without revealing your stuff. We've already lost 6 people as of this post and based on the discussion going on I'd only trust maybe 3 people to figure shit out.

Now as for what I'm going to do. Check it out:

Mr. Wiggles, Rels, Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, rsoultin, AMG, Mocsta, LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Tictock, Tubesock, ExO_, Tumblewood

I've already said 2 of these people are scum. This is the BH wagon. Now we obviously know some townies are lazy or were duped into thinking this was even a good idea. I doubt anyone seriously reading this game would think BH was ever a real suspect. Myself and others echoed this during Day 2. On Day 1 I prodded BH to stay in the game not only because I have good memories of him in past games and iirc modding, but I know scum would just pile on the easy mislynch and misguided townies would follow.
I would expect BC to pick up on this because he's a very good player and of course he did. Doesn't mean he isn't scum but someone caring about the nature of the lynch is probably Town. Of course I've currently got a Town read on Vivax too. Fuck me if either of them are Scum 🤦🏼‍♂️.

Oh shit I was rambling whoops. Back to that BH wagon. I'd cross reference it for the HF vote wagon but I think that should be the last thing to do. Instead I'm going to check the timing of their vote, look at where they showed reasoning for the vote in the thread and see what was going on in the thread at the time. For example that one scummer that showed up, said he read 2 of BHs posts, would be gone, and just voted and really did lay low. Some will say that's just bad Town play but I dont think all but the worst players couldn't be bothered to read more than two posts from someone they suspect.

So that's the way I'm going to go about this. Deadline is in about 4 hours so hopefully I'll be free to get this done. If there is anything you can take from this post if you can't read: vote Ace for Mayor 😎
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
March 08 2019 20:07 GMT
#6004
Yeah ace is town. I might just start sheeping you.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
March 08 2019 20:07 GMT
#6005
Feels good to have you here with town. Medics protect this man.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 08 2019 20:33 GMT
#6006
On March 09 2019 05:07 Pandain wrote:
Yeah ace is town. I might just start sheeping you.


On March 09 2019 05:07 Pandain wrote:
Feels good to have you here with town. Medics protect this man.


Ace is town? He literally just called me maybe town but detrimental and then based the whole thing off people saving me :D

I think Pandain is without a doubt mafia, that looks very much like a feigned town read.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 08 2019 20:34 GMT
#6007
Acro has the most towny response, ignore me and make cases on other people. Ace can't quite get past that first bit at all and it's really awful.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
March 08 2019 20:36 GMT
#6008
Holyflare you literally fake claimed and you're complaining about people lynching you.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
March 08 2019 20:36 GMT
#6009
It's hard to take you seriously.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 08 2019 20:39 GMT
#6010
How do you know it's fake at all? I dunno why anyone even assumed that.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 08 2019 20:40 GMT
#6011
Feels like I'm living in a twilight zone where a bunch of people read 'The Idiot's Guide to Playing Mafia' and are looking up what to do in certain situations so they don't have to engage critical thinking skills and/or cover up behaviour.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 08 2019 20:40 GMT
#6012
I dunno why you're so angry with me lol :D I'm sorry you rolled mafia?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
March 08 2019 20:41 GMT
#6013
On March 09 2019 05:34 Holyflare wrote:
Acro has the most towny response, ignore me and make cases on other people. Ace can't quite get past that first bit at all and it's really awful.


Idk how you do it buddy. In your place I'd be like "jeez why isn't everyone scumreading me. Meanwhile all your posts are highly motivated, and 0 passionated. It's like you are a scumbot. An answer for everything without any emotionality.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 08 2019 20:41 GMT
#6014
On March 09 2019 05:39 Holyflare wrote:
How do you know it's fake at all? I dunno why anyone even assumed that.

Stop with this.
You said you're self you were going to stop spamming up the thread, then ignore this shit and do something else.

Also again, dumb behaviour like claiming D1 earns you dumb behaviour from other people
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 08 2019 20:42 GMT
#6015
On March 09 2019 05:40 Holyflare wrote:
I dunno why you're so angry with me lol :D I'm sorry you rolled mafia?

Me?
I was talking about Pandain and Ace.
Check yourself, son.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
March 08 2019 20:49 GMT
#6016
On March 06 2019 09:39 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?

Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.

In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea

Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me


I just wanted to create added deadline tension.


On March 06 2019 09:41 Holyflare wrote:
If you can find me a game where I haven't done the exact same thing at night as town then you can have your victory BH.



On March 08 2019 04:55 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2019 04:31 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 08 2019 04:30 Holyflare wrote:
On March 08 2019 04:21 Acrofales wrote:
On March 08 2019 04:11 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 08 2019 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
oh btw from now on i am gonna be a little bitch and report all "offences" to hosts because they can be hurstful to a soul of some person..... so no swearing, no anything else. inbetween tl rules you idiots. i am done with me getting all the shit for nothing.


You know what always cheers me up?

Sifaka lemurs:
+ Show Spoiler +

Look at em.
Lovely things.


That did cheer me up

Lets go back to this:
On March 07 2019 22:41 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 07 2019 22:37 Acrofales wrote:
On March 07 2019 22:32 Jockmcplop wrote:
I'm leaning heavily towards a scum read on BH right now. The more he posts the more scummy his motivations seem to be. His attacks on hf look as if he has made them up on the spot in an effort to try and paint hf as mafia, rather than coming to natural conclusions about hf from available evidence.

The best example of this is the following post:

On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?

Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.

In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea

Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me


This is pure speculation and I like how creative it is, but it is not evidence.

He then refers back to this as 'compelling' a few posts later, but as we can see it isn't compelling its a rather badly shoehorned piece of fiction, designed to create an mirage.

On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:


Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case:

On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?

Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.

In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea

Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me


HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby

Ok, so what is the point of town!HF to claim a fake vig shot? I didn't incorporate it in my case, because it's mostly wifom, but I really don't see it:

1. He made a big play and it backfired spectacularly.
2. He makes another big play just for shit and giggles? WTF?

Now, lets say BH had gotten vig'd. We'd have a townie counterclaiming the vig shot, and today would have been an even bigger shitshow. Lynch all liars is a damned good policy for a reason, because even if townies *do* do this kind of stupid shit, it is blatantly anti-town play. And the *second* time HF does a big anti-town play in the same damn game.


That's true, but doesn't say anything about the point I am making. This story BH is telling is meaningless, as if he needed something completely made up to emphasize his argument for some reason.
Also, if we are lynching people for anti-town play, what about the whole of D1/N1 from BH? Blatant anti-town play that has no upside or no possible upside for town.

You say BH is scummy for making up a narrative. While the narrative is of course pure speculation, it's just a funny way of presenting the problem here:

FACT: HF claimed vigilante
FACT: HF is not a vigilante
CONCLUSION: HF fakeclaimed vigilante.

So there are two options: HF is town and fakeclaimed vigilante, or HF is scum and fakeclaimed vigilante.

You seem to lean towards it being town!HF fakeclaiming vigilante, because in his own words, he was adding "suspense" around the daypost. I mean.. sure, he has shown so far that HF only really cares about HF, so he might just have done it for the shit of it, but you ignored the whole conundrum of my post earlier. How do you explain town!HF not even thinking that there was a real vig that would really shoot BH?



I mean... who cares if there was a real vig? I could just rescind my claim or get killed which, again, would make my position a 1 for 1 trade if I survived somehow (which I wouldn't in this case) which I would never like.


You've mentioned a few times that you've provided evidence that you do this kind of last second fakeclaim as town and have done so before - can you link to a game or state the name of a game in which you did this?


https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/531261-medic-mafia?page=7#121
https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?page=70#1387

This is just in like my last few games iirc and one of those I didn't claim because someone else beat claiming a role first. I've claimed cops with a red check, I've claimed vig shots, I've counter claimed blues, I do whatever I please my friend.

There was even a game where I red checked glowingbear and I wasn't a cop and he flipped town because I was sure he was mafia. SL was in that game and said the same things "+ev to lynch hf bla bla". Same shit, different game.

(justifying what you did by reference to other fake claims)

Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
March 08 2019 20:50 GMT
#6017
Honestly I wasn't even certain you were mafia but when you say dumb objectively false things like "who said I was fake claiming" it becomes painfully obvious.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
March 08 2019 20:51 GMT
#6018
Like come on WoS, are we really not going to lynch someone who gets caught in an obvious lies like this?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 08 2019 20:52 GMT
#6019
On March 09 2019 05:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2019 05:40 Holyflare wrote:
I dunno why you're so angry with me lol :D I'm sorry you rolled mafia?

Me?
I was talking about Pandain and Ace.
Check yourself, son.


no, pandain, he seems angry I fake claimed lol
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
March 08 2019 20:53 GMT
#6020
On March 09 2019 05:51 Pandain wrote:
Like come on WoS, are we really not going to lynch someone who gets caught in an obvious lies like this?


WoS has a history of friendship with HF. LS with tina, Rels with a bunch of other people. Sadly it influences their game especially if the latter are scum and play the emo card.
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