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My read on HF has been consistent through the day once I made it. For the policy lynch I liked Palmar better than HF to stick to it at first. The interaction with Ace made me switch my mayor vote to HF off of Palmar since I figured we'd get more information from how people reacted if HF deviated from the policy vote. Once Sent showed up and posted his role I kept it on HF because of the town read (Palmar was null to me at that point) and some similarity in reads.
The scummy lurker comment was directed at BH. Up to that point he hadn't posted and just showed up to ask people to kill him. I felt it was a derail of the current lynch wagons and would be a big pile on with no useful discussion for scum hunting. Figured the mayor could take him out instead.
I was wrong about trfel, but their post about Fecalfeast looked really bad to me at that point in the day. There wasn't a wagon yet, so again, that could have been a mayor lynch. Once the wagon formed I hopped on. I agreed with the analysis and I felt Conv wasn't happening and felt bad about the interview stuff too
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On March 05 2019 11:49 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 11:45 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 11:43 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 05 2019 11:41 Mocsta wrote:On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit On March 05 2019 06:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I'll consolidate onto trfel, feels better than Conv to me right now. [...] CONSPIRACY THEORY ALERT This was the most recent vote count at time of posts above. TF = 8, BH = 6, Conv = 4, acro = 4 if BH is scum, this is a great scum buddy post 1) Places non-committal scum read on BH 2) Is an afford to derail BH lynch (who is certainly not known as a hardcore lurker..) 3) No mayor candidate was advocating a BH mayor snipe -> i.e. is guranteed to fall upon deaf ears and receive no traction I also note that Wiggles filter indicates he scum reads Conversion, but instantly drops this for the thread popular Trfel when it comes to saving BH. Overall, extremely hedged posting and likely mafia (alongside with BH) On March 05 2019 01:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Managed to skim the thread before work. I like the Conversion case better than Acro and Oats right now for a D1 lynch. Missed the asking for permission angle the first time through, but even the recent stuff is weirdly fixated on MZ. Tunnel tunnel tunnel
[...] https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?user=Mr. Wiggles&view=all Preflip association not a great call, but I'll allow it because we need the flip regardless Associative tells on unflipped players, bus analysis assuming I am scum, etx - vigi, please kill me or we'll have mistaken analysis all day D2 Yes plz. As for wiggles I haven't read him yet. I'll get there eventually. Once again though, how the FUCK in a game with as many players as we have with a bunch of good policy/low count lynched did we lynch the fucking town leader? Just... Fucking how? I still can't decide if I'm angry or just think it's hilarious. I guess I haven't been too invested so I'm indirectly to blame, but in games like this I never have a primary town voice over the palmars/Marvs/hokyfkares/rayns
Most of us never do, and never will.
You have to be right, but you also have to be eloquent, a lot.
Give up one of these and it won’t happen. And you have to make a first impression.
But it’s not all bad, being “not one of those guys”. There is a sort of freedom, and it lies on you to decide which one is right with your vote. Because they rarely agree.
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I'm not generally a reactive or emotive poster like some others here. It feels awkward and forced to me over text
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On March 05 2019 12:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Anyway, as much as tooting my own horn is super fun (man I was a goddamn all-star scum player---I think my winrate might have been better than HFs)---
I want to make this clear before I post a little on rsoul
We are lynching ONLY HF OR BH tomorrow.
The game can't proceed properly until that's done. Of those two, I'd rather HF die. Not sure if for personal/fun reasons or not, but whateva. I will not be pushing anyone else actively.
Ok I’ll cave to this
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Tomorrow is only 48hrs btw for literally everyone in the game that doesn’t read the op
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On March 05 2019 13:21 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 12:59 LightningStrike wrote:On March 05 2019 12:55 Tictock wrote:On March 05 2019 12:53 LightningStrike wrote:On March 05 2019 12:50 Tictock wrote:On March 05 2019 12:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Wave that point about Tina was part of my newer reasons for scumreading her as well. Sicklucker did point it out but he townreads her for it though lmao. SL can be a surprisingly smart dude sometimes. Hell he might even be town this game, pretty solid chance I'd wager. I think SL is wrong about Tina but he did bring forward a good piece of evidence for me (later wave used). Besides the case Wave just posted (or anything in it), what are your reasons for scum reading Rsoul? On March 05 2019 08:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home for like 30 minutes I voting Tina I think she's mafia at this point mainly her town around on me and her interactions with Rayn leaves me thinking she's scum. Originally swap to HF because I wasn't feeling the Sent mayor kill anymore but swap back because HF wants to kill Palmar who I think is likely town. TLDR her odd read shifts on me early and her interactions with rayn don't seem to come from Town!Tina from my perspective.(I made that post in on mobile so it did not come out as I wanted to.) If it's not too much trouble, care to point me to one of these interactions? The few interactions between them I saw suggested they were both town to me.
The tone didn't feel natural from one end and felt like it's Scum vs Town and this post from Tina seemed a bit forced in my opinion:
On March 05 2019 07:32 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 07:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ftr sorry HF i think i overreacted and i dont think youre mafia. But i dont like stuff that is not true on me. Also i always talk through people when i think they are mafia or id i think the conversation wont help either party. I didnt overreact on rsoultin. Regardless of what i say she wont change her read because her read is not based on not what i actually write, and i read her town, so no discussion is going to be productive.
Or she is mafia, but i dont believe it. These sorts of posts are why I hope you're mafia, actually. It's irritating as shit when you actively ignore me because I 'won't change my read'. I think if anything can be said of my play it's that I'm not a fucking mindless bulldog, and it's not as if I can even remember a game where I've tunneled the shit out of you when you were either alignment without reconsidering new information. But whatever. Behaving this way will make it difficult for me to see you as town if you are. And if you are, well, I'm really just sad that we apparently can't play this game together anymore and you know what...it's really not because of me.
It's hard to describe but this post from Tina seemed like a good excuse for her to have a shit fight with Rayn? One of them definitely is town and the other is mafia on the tone between these posts from each other and in my opinion it's Tina.
Anyways going to retire to my bed and when I wake up I will read everything!
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On March 05 2019 13:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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My read on HF has been consistent through the day once I made it. For the policy lynch I liked Palmar better than HF to stick to it at first. The interaction with Ace made me switch my mayor vote to HF off of Palmar since I figured we'd get more information from how people reacted if HF deviated from the policy vote. Once Sent showed up and posted his role I kept it on HF because of the town read (Palmar was null to me at that point) and some similarity in reads.
The scummy lurker comment was directed at BH. Up to that point he hadn't posted and just showed up to ask people to kill him. I felt it was a derail of the current lynch wagons and would be a big pile on with no useful discussion for scum hunting. Figured the mayor could take him out instead.
I was wrong about trfel, but their post about Fecalfeast looked really bad to me at that point in the day. There wasn't a wagon yet, so again, that could have been a mayor lynch. Once the wagon formed I hopped on. I agreed with the analysis and I felt Conv wasn't happening and felt bad about the interview stuff too
*Shrug* Most of this means next to nothing to me since I haven't read the game fully.
All I can say is, having read your filter I don't see much that suggests you are actively trying to solve the game. You poke and prod a little at people but I find few conclusions and very few fleshed out scum reads. Seems to me like you are just floating through the game. + Show Spoiler +Yes I realize there is some hypocrisy in me saying someone is floating through the game when I am not reading it fully myself. I am however pursuing what strikes my interest and making an effort when I am able.
Makes you very likely to be scum imo.
Ok I def spent more time here than I intended to.
Now, off I go, never to be seen again! Unless I want to be seen... in which case, if you see me before I see you... watch out! + Show Spoiler +Idk, random quote from Red vs Blue
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On March 05 2019 13:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I'm not generally a reactive or emotive poster like some others here. It feels awkward and forced to me over text
Idk. I just react because I don’t have the time to come up with my own things that often. And usually when I do, people misunderstand what I am saying on such a basic level that it is as if I am speaking in English, but using Hangul like 티수 소 피포 스틸 노 밧 돈 은덧댄다.
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On March 05 2019 13:47 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 13:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I'm not generally a reactive or emotive poster like some others here. It feels awkward and forced to me over text Idk. I just react because I don’t have the time to come up with my own things that often. And usually when I do, people misunderstand what I am saying on such a basic level that it is as if I am speaking in English, but using Hangul like 티수 소 피포 스틸 노 밧 돈 은덧댄다.
Yeah, it's cool for some people and that's their style, but it's just not me. Not saying it's wrong, but it's not my style
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On March 05 2019 13:45 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 13:21 Tictock wrote:On March 05 2019 12:59 LightningStrike wrote:On March 05 2019 12:55 Tictock wrote:On March 05 2019 12:53 LightningStrike wrote:On March 05 2019 12:50 Tictock wrote:On March 05 2019 12:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Wave that point about Tina was part of my newer reasons for scumreading her as well. Sicklucker did point it out but he townreads her for it though lmao. SL can be a surprisingly smart dude sometimes. Hell he might even be town this game, pretty solid chance I'd wager. I think SL is wrong about Tina but he did bring forward a good piece of evidence for me (later wave used). Besides the case Wave just posted (or anything in it), what are your reasons for scum reading Rsoul? On March 05 2019 08:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home for like 30 minutes I voting Tina I think she's mafia at this point mainly her town around on me and her interactions with Rayn leaves me thinking she's scum. Originally swap to HF because I wasn't feeling the Sent mayor kill anymore but swap back because HF wants to kill Palmar who I think is likely town. TLDR her odd read shifts on me early and her interactions with rayn don't seem to come from Town!Tina from my perspective.(I made that post in on mobile so it did not come out as I wanted to.) If it's not too much trouble, care to point me to one of these interactions? The few interactions between them I saw suggested they were both town to me. The tone didn't feel natural from one end and felt like it's Scum vs Town and this post from Tina seemed a bit forced in my opinion: Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 07:32 rsoultin wrote:On March 05 2019 07:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ftr sorry HF i think i overreacted and i dont think youre mafia. But i dont like stuff that is not true on me. Also i always talk through people when i think they are mafia or id i think the conversation wont help either party. I didnt overreact on rsoultin. Regardless of what i say she wont change her read because her read is not based on not what i actually write, and i read her town, so no discussion is going to be productive.
Or she is mafia, but i dont believe it. These sorts of posts are why I hope you're mafia, actually. It's irritating as shit when you actively ignore me because I 'won't change my read'. I think if anything can be said of my play it's that I'm not a fucking mindless bulldog, and it's not as if I can even remember a game where I've tunneled the shit out of you when you were either alignment without reconsidering new information. But whatever. Behaving this way will make it difficult for me to see you as town if you are. And if you are, well, I'm really just sad that we apparently can't play this game together anymore and you know what...it's really not because of me. It's hard to describe but this post from Tina seemed like a good excuse for her to have a shit fight with Rayn? One of them definitely is town and the other is mafia on the tone between these posts from each other and in my opinion it's Tina. Anyways going to retire to my bed and when I wake up I will read everything!
Yea I actually still get the opposite impression between those 2 posts you quoted.
I've seen Rayn many a time bulldog down a scumread of his even when there is tons of evidence that he could be wrong, but since he sees something that colors a person red he will never let it go. Similarly will ignore someone he sees as townie who disagrees since he writes them off in his mind since he has "solved" their alignment. I'd go so far as to say that Rayn often is playing his own game of mafia, called "How right can Rayn be this game" (ok this is a bit unfair, and sorry Rayn, but it's how I perceive it).
Rsoul, conversely tends to want to interact with her Town reads to bounce ideas off another person and get a better sense of where he reads should maybe be. I see her as one of a handful of players who actively try to look at both sides of a player, what they might be thinking as town and what they might be thinking as scum. Sometimes when you do this (I do this as well) it becomes hard to decide which PoV is more likely and you wind up bouncing back and forth between these 2 PoV's.
That is also why I feel like Wave's case on Rsoul is shit, because that sort of waffely behavior is almost exactly what I tend to expect from a player who thinks like this.
So, TLDR: Both are behaving how I'd expect from what I perceive their characters and mind sets to be as town reacting to one another here.
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On March 05 2019 13:47 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 13:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I'm not generally a reactive or emotive poster like some others here. It feels awkward and forced to me over text Idk. I just react because I don’t have the time to come up with my own things that often. And usually when I do, people misunderstand what I am saying on such a basic level that it is as if I am speaking in English, but using Hangul like 티수 소 피포 스틸 노 밧 돈 은덧댄다.
Realized it is the exact inverse of this.
They understand my words perfectly fine but the meaning is utterly changed, often comically to the exact opposite of my intent. See the thing where I had to tell someone I was against sent being elected mayor as so outlandish an idea that the man hadn’t even tried to attain it himself- was instead interpreted as “he shouldn’t be mayor because he didn’t run”.
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Ok, for real I am out this time as I need to go to bed.
Thank you LS for sharing your views, I think you are wrong, but I am all the more convinced you are like 80-90% town here form that.
Like I said earlier, don't expect shit from me again tomorrow (wont even be home till about this time) but will be around Wednesday.
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On March 05 2019 13:46 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 13:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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My read on HF has been consistent through the day once I made it. For the policy lynch I liked Palmar better than HF to stick to it at first. The interaction with Ace made me switch my mayor vote to HF off of Palmar since I figured we'd get more information from how people reacted if HF deviated from the policy vote. Once Sent showed up and posted his role I kept it on HF because of the town read (Palmar was null to me at that point) and some similarity in reads.
The scummy lurker comment was directed at BH. Up to that point he hadn't posted and just showed up to ask people to kill him. I felt it was a derail of the current lynch wagons and would be a big pile on with no useful discussion for scum hunting. Figured the mayor could take him out instead.
I was wrong about trfel, but their post about Fecalfeast looked really bad to me at that point in the day. There wasn't a wagon yet, so again, that could have been a mayor lynch. Once the wagon formed I hopped on. I agreed with the analysis and I felt Conv wasn't happening and felt bad about the interview stuff too *Shrug* Most of this means next to nothing to me since I haven't read the game fully. All I can say is, having read your filter I don't see much that suggests you are actively trying to solve the game. You poke and prod a little at people but I find few conclusions and very few fleshed out scum reads. Seems to me like you are just floating through the game. + Show Spoiler +Yes I realize there is some hypocrisy in me saying someone is floating through the game when I am not reading it fully myself. I am however pursuing what strikes my interest and making an effort when I am able. Makes you very likely to be scum imo.
Ok I def spent more time here than I intended to. Now, off I go, never to be seen again! Unless I want to be seen... in which case, if you see me before I see you... watch out! + Show Spoiler +Idk, random quote from Red vs Blue
I definitely have harder town reads than scum reads right now which doesn't help that perception. There were lots of people Day 1 who looked scummy, so I pushed/voted the ones that I felt had some more substance to them like Conv, Tubesock, and trfels. Ended up spending more time commenting on wagons I thought weren't great, which was probably the wrong choice
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On March 05 2019 13:55 Tictock wrote:
I've seen Rayn many a time bulldog down a scumread of his even when there is tons of evidence that he could be wrong, but since he sees something that colors a person red he will never let it go. Similarly will ignore someone he sees as townie who disagrees since he writes them off in his mind since he has "solved" their alignment. I'd go so far as to say that Rayn often is playing his own game of mafia, called "How right can Rayn be this game" (ok this is a bit unfair, and sorry Rayn, but it's how I perceive it).
No need to be sorry, for the past three years or so that's exactly what i have been doing.
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I think Ace is full of shit.
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Hey guys.
Does anyone have any questions for me?
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On March 05 2019 14:22 Chezinu wrote:
Hey guys.
Does anyone have any questions for me?
Yes, who are your teammates?
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On March 05 2019 14:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 14:22 Chezinu wrote:
Hey guys.
Does anyone have any questions for me? Yes, who are your teammates?
People who follow Jesus Christ.
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I'm not always the best teammate, but I tries.
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