On March 05 2019 08:45 rsoultin wrote: meh i don't want to lynch truffle ><
On March 05 2019 08:46 rsoultin wrote: it's not even for a good reason it just /feels/ like maybe he's town lol >< fml
I hate this post, I hate hate HATE it. I'm not going to start in with 'well if she was scum she'd be too self conscious to be wishy washy' fuck that.
It reeks of TMI and even more so when she doubles down here
On March 05 2019 08:53 rsoultin wrote: eh it's bugging me more if trfel is town that palmar voted off bh to wiggles at the end, but since we're likely to get a palmar flip too i guess that'll resolve things lol ><
On March 05 2019 06:21 rsoultin wrote: Yeah I still think Palmar is likely to be scum. Have no issue whatsoever mayoring Iam and killing BH (though I'm thinking we're likely to see a town flip there tbh) but I'm not changing my vote if it makes Palmar mayor.
If you think BH is going to flip Town, then why not lynch Palmar?
I'd be happy to lynch Palmar if anyone wanted to lynch Palmar. I'm also happy to lynch Truffle and Tube. And Rayn if it comes to it. Also LS, but my bad rsoul doubting brain is less confident about him.
So assuming she knows Trfel and Palmar are town look at how close to deadline she starts waffling on BOTH of them.
On March 05 2019 08:53 rsoultin wrote: eh it's bugging me more if trfel is town that palmar voted off bh to wiggles at the end, but since we're likely to get a palmar flip too i guess that'll resolve things lol ><
Reading this again, the Trfel thing looks bad, but look at how totally ok she was with Palmar flipping, ostensibly when she thought HE PROBABLY WOULDN'T. Then as it becomes more likely a reality it's 'bugging her' that Palmar (her scumread) changed his vote from BH (her townread) to Wiggles. Rather than committing to her scumread on Palmar she drops the hard stance before the flip.
Even if you can come up with a towny explanation for this (I can - simply her changing her mind ---without showing much context but whatever, sure), look at how her tone changes from exuding confidence to meek and unsure as the deadline looms closer. She wants to look good because she's supposed to know Trfel and everyone on Palmar is going to look like shit regardless.
On March 05 2019 06:21 rsoultin wrote: Yeah I still think Palmar is likely to be scum. Have no issue whatsoever mayoring Iam and killing BH (though I'm thinking we're likely to see a town flip there tbh) but I'm not changing my vote if it makes Palmar mayor.
If you think BH is going to flip Town, then why not lynch Palmar?
I'd be happy to lynch Palmar if anyone wanted to lynch Palmar. I'm also happy to lynch Truffle and Tube. And Rayn if it comes to it. Also LS, but my bad rsoul doubting brain is less confident about him.
Also don't like this post because rather than push it she'd be 'happy to' but I digress.
It just all looks and feels awful to me, and combined with the fact that she should very well know some of my scumplay (thank you LS, incidentally for bringing to light a game in which rsoul and I were scum together) I think rsoul is highly likely to flip RED
On March 05 2019 10:09 Acrofales wrote: Man. This is gonna be a boring few days. We lynch sentinel and wiggles. After that we need to switch our brains back on.
We kill HolyFlare.
Unfortunately no. We don't. Sentinel and Wiggles were exactly as bad, and were also high priority scumreads from the dead town Palmar.
On March 05 2019 11:57 Tictock wrote: Just checking on Flip, way to much shit to read and I have zero motivation to try.
See I had decent reads on Trfel and Palmar, and was correct to not trust HF to be Mayor.
I think I may just ride out the rest of this game as much as I can and just see how good my D1 reads were. I have a long day at work again tomorrow, so Wednesday is the most likely day I will make an effort to do anything in this game.
In other news, I hate my life but I will not spend my time wallowing here.
Are you kidding?
Why would you think I am kidding?
I work 10 hours days quite often and have been trying to have a life (and mostly failing), this game is not my top priority. In the day and a half that I have been absent this shit blew up like 100 pages, which is an easy 3+ hours of reading... and is very unlikely to be fun reading.
Skim if you have to, but it sounded like you said you're just giving up for the rest of the game, with "I think I may just ride out the rest of this game as much as I can and just see how good my D1 reads were.".
Nah, I'll be active and shit when I can, but Fuck reading every damn post in this game.
From the couple of posts I see from Wave here I'd wager he could very well be town. His head is in a pretty sensible place from how it looks like EoD went down. (I am going off of the vote counts and I am assuming Wave wants to lynch BH due to him being in the lead for awhile then last min vote swapping switching it to Trfel)
Conversion is also highly sus for the super last min vote swap to Trfel, and if BH does turn out to be mafia is almost certainly mafia with him.
Oh another Reason why HF should be murdered... Who in the hell thinks it's a good idea to kill the person with the 2nd most Mayor votes? That suggests that a large number of people trusted/supported/townread Palmar and is therefor a VERY shitty choice for a person to execute.
On March 04 2019 21:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Am I the only one who didn't find the palmar - - - >mocsta intsraction rude at all?
The shit people used to get away with on TL mafia by comparison....?
I'm so confused by some of the behaviour here.
Anyway not relevant to much. Hf in what world is palmar scum here? Antagonizing a bunch of people (whether meaning to or not) taking firm control of town---there is zero reason for scum to do any of this, or give up position on easy mislynches from a mayor position (assuming sentinel is town, for example).
Take his right/wrongness out of the equation. Pobodys nerfect.
I wish I had had more time to push this point, because it was literally all that was important.
In related news:
On March 05 2019 00:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Like in HF's head: 'behold! I am scum leader palmar and I want all you lesser scums all to vote for me so I can waste the mayor lunch! Bwahahaha!'
Wave/mocsta/ls/chezinu/mz- 'yes sir'
On March 05 2019 00:52 WaveofShadow wrote: 2 people. Not 5. And that's not even the entirety of HF's list I mentioned.
Seriously Hf this time I have a really hard time believing what you're writing about palmar.
On March 05 2019 01:13 WaveofShadow wrote: This is real ballsy play even for scum!hf But if he's not scum he's being bad, and Hf isn't bad.
The world in which palmar and Hf are both scum is a game we've already lost so I won't consider that really
HF Scum. Simple as that. If he's town he wanted to torch the game for fun, and while I suppose I can't put it past him, HF's competitive instinct has always felt too great to me to active try to throw a game for shits. He is our PRIMARY LYNCH (if he isn't vigged, anyway).
I literally do not care if anyone else thinks they have a higher priority/better lynch here, they are wrong.
Wave that point about Tina was part of my newer reasons for scumreading her as well. Sicklucker did point it out but he townreads her for it though lmao.
On March 05 2019 08:53 rsoultin wrote: eh it's bugging me more if trfel is town that palmar voted off bh to wiggles at the end, but since we're likely to get a palmar flip too i guess that'll resolve things lol ><
On March 05 2019 06:21 rsoultin wrote: Yeah I still think Palmar is likely to be scum. Have no issue whatsoever mayoring Iam and killing BH (though I'm thinking we're likely to see a town flip there tbh) but I'm not changing my vote if it makes Palmar mayor.
If you think BH is going to flip Town, then why not lynch Palmar?
I'd be happy to lynch Palmar if anyone wanted to lynch Palmar. I'm also happy to lynch Truffle and Tube. And Rayn if it comes to it. Also LS, but my bad rsoul doubting brain is less confident about him.
So assuming she knows Trfel and Palmar are town look at how close to deadline she starts waffling on BOTH of them.
On March 05 2019 08:53 rsoultin wrote: eh it's bugging me more if trfel is town that palmar voted off bh to wiggles at the end, but since we're likely to get a palmar flip too i guess that'll resolve things lol ><
Reading this again, the Trfel thing looks bad, but look at how totally ok she was with Palmar flipping, ostensibly when she thought HE PROBABLY WOULDN'T. Then as it becomes more likely a reality it's 'bugging her' that Palmar (her scumread) changed his vote from BH (her townread) to Wiggles. Rather than committing to her scumread on Palmar she drops the hard stance before the flip.
Even if you can come up with a towny explanation for this (I can - simply her changing her mind ---without showing much context but whatever, sure), look at how her tone changes from exuding confidence to meek and unsure as the deadline looms closer. She wants to look good because she's supposed to know Trfel and everyone on Palmar is going to look like shit regardless.
On March 05 2019 06:21 rsoultin wrote: Yeah I still think Palmar is likely to be scum. Have no issue whatsoever mayoring Iam and killing BH (though I'm thinking we're likely to see a town flip there tbh) but I'm not changing my vote if it makes Palmar mayor.
If you think BH is going to flip Town, then why not lynch Palmar?
I'd be happy to lynch Palmar if anyone wanted to lynch Palmar. I'm also happy to lynch Truffle and Tube. And Rayn if it comes to it. Also LS, but my bad rsoul doubting brain is less confident about him.
Also don't like this post because rather than push it she'd be 'happy to' but I digress.
It just all looks and feels awful to me, and combined with the fact that she should very well know some of my scumplay (thank you LS, incidentally for bringing to light a game in which rsoul and I were scum together) I think rsoul is highly likely to flip RED
Ehh, this doesn't seem like a great scum case imo. Though I am biased by my early and possibly outdated read on Rsoul.
Mostly this comes down to Someone being rather waffely and indecisive at EoD, which happens a lot. Pressure builds, time is short, and when you are trying to see multiple perspective as well as consolidate shit gets wack yo.
This argument would have to be backed up by scum flips and showing how a scum!Rsoul potentially used not being able to make up her mind as a way to try and save teammates to have any weight, otherwise this is pure WIFOM or just you not liking her not being decisive.
On March 05 2019 12:43 LightningStrike wrote: Wave that point about Tina was part of my newer reasons for scumreading her as well. Sicklucker did point it out but he townreads her for it though lmao.
SL can be a surprisingly smart dude sometimes.
Hell he might even be town this game, pretty solid chance I'd wager.
On March 05 2019 12:43 LightningStrike wrote: Wave that point about Tina was part of my newer reasons for scumreading her as well. Sicklucker did point it out but he townreads her for it though lmao.
SL can be a surprisingly smart dude sometimes.
Hell he might even be town this game, pretty solid chance I'd wager.
I think SL is wrong about Tina but he did bring forward a good piece of evidence for me (later wave used).
On March 05 2019 12:43 LightningStrike wrote: Wave that point about Tina was part of my newer reasons for scumreading her as well. Sicklucker did point it out but he townreads her for it though lmao.
SL can be a surprisingly smart dude sometimes.
Hell he might even be town this game, pretty solid chance I'd wager.
I think SL is wrong about Tina but he did bring forward a good piece of evidence for me (later wave used).
Besides the case Wave just posted (or anything in it), what are your reasons for scum reading Rsoul?
On March 05 2019 12:43 LightningStrike wrote: Wave that point about Tina was part of my newer reasons for scumreading her as well. Sicklucker did point it out but he townreads her for it though lmao.
SL can be a surprisingly smart dude sometimes.
Hell he might even be town this game, pretty solid chance I'd wager.
I think SL is wrong about Tina but he did bring forward a good piece of evidence for me (later wave used).
Besides the case Wave just posted (or anything in it), what are your reasons for scum reading Rsoul?
On March 05 2019 08:23 LightningStrike wrote: Just got home for like 30 minutes I voting Tina I think she's mafia at this point mainly her town around on me and her interactions with Rayn leaves me thinking she's scum. Originally swap to HF because I wasn't feeling the Sent mayor kill anymore but swap back because HF wants to kill Palmar who I think is likely town.
TLDR her odd read shifts on me early and her interactions with rayn don't seem to come from Town!Tina from my perspective.(I made that post in on mobile so it did not come out as I wanted to.)
I'm here but 1) haven't read the first 100 pages and will not do so 2) most of the town incorrectly believes I'm scum and is making bad bus analysis in that assumption 3) and also most of the town, including the mayor, decided not to lynch me 4) i am also only here via phone
Other than that I'm ready to chat
BH I think you can still do some good, the early shit was shit.
You can work with flips, voting analysis, other stuff.
You’ve sufficiently been town for us, I think. Stop martyring.
Figuered I'd take a moment to filter Wiggles since I am pretty sure he was on my watch list earlier, and none of the posts I've read since jumping back in give me any sense of his alignment.
On March 03 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: There isn’t anyone I want to lynch.
If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch.
I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you!
Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace?
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
On March 04 2019 01:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote: @HF, you seem like a cool guy, but I'm thinking my mayor vote will be going to Palmar. You've got a bit of a loose cannon vibe going on whereas Palmar is essentially Judge Dredd.
@rsoultin: Chezinu is our albatross. If you kill him you'll be thirsty for the rest of your life.
@LS: I don't understand this weird martyrdom thing you're doing. If you're town why the heck would you want to just roll over and die because a couple people scumread you? Bad vibes.
Kinda a weird swap on Mayor votes. Seems odd to like HF kus "our reads jove" to then not liking him for being a "loose cannon" especially since he still seems to like HF (calls him a cool guy). Bit of a samll thing, but it feels inconsistent.
On March 04 2019 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: HF came up with the idea first, but I'm not sure whether I trust HF more to follow through compared to Palmar, especially if HF starts coming up with more cases. Might be the case that they deviate at the last minute and cause a bunch of chaos. In that sense, I like Palmar for mayor because he's colder.
This makes more sense, though it is oddly spot on for how EoD seems to have gone down.
On March 05 2019 03:16 Mr. Wiggles wrote: HF, can you mayor lynch trfel?
This shit comes outta left field, I havn't seen Trfel noted once in Wiggles filter, but now suddenly he wants to have him mayor lynched?
Similarly, Wiggles' stance on HF suddenly is back to a solid Townread.
On March 05 2019 01:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Managed to skim the thread before work. I like the Conversion case better than Acro and Oats right now for a D1 lynch. Missed the asking for permission angle the first time through, but even the recent stuff is weirdly fixated on MZ. Tunnel tunnel tunnel
No one else seems to give a crap about Tubesock. I'd be happier if people came out and argued I'm wrong for whatever reason, but instead Tube's being ignored by my town reads.
Will try to catch you again over lunch if possible, but otherwise won't be active until after lynch
Why are you voting for a HF mayor?
On March 04 2019 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: HF came up with the idea first, but I'm not sure whether I trust HF more to follow through compared to Palmar, especially if HF starts coming up with more cases. Might be the case that they deviate at the last minute and cause a bunch of chaos. In that sense, I like Palmar for mayor because he's colder.
I've got a decent town read on HF and we're not policy lynching Sent
Like I may have missed something, but I didn't notice any switch in stance from Wiggles moving his mayor vote away from HF earlier for being a "loose cannon" but a "cool guy"
On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit
How can you not understand the train unless your scum.
We have a lynch vote where people have to take a stance and justify themselves, and a mayor lynch where scum can push final responsibility away onto the mayor.
Let the mayor kill the scummy lurker, vote to lynch more established cases that actually generate information. w We have three or four of them.
This post suggests an odd mindset to me, why is Wiggles thinking about scum pushing any sort of responsibility onto the Mayor? I'm not even sure that makes sense. Also noting this post to see how Wiggles reacts to HF lynching Palmar (who is one of the last people I'd expect to qualify as a "scummy lurker"). ...
And I see no reaction besides,
On March 05 2019 12:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Not how I thought the flips would go there
This guy is highly likely Mafia imo. Most of his posts are questions that go nowhere, his reads are not very evident and some that are feel contrived and switch and odd times for weird reasons. I detect almost no effort to analys anything, and the almost total lack of reaction to EoD gives me bad vibes.
Overall seems to just be trying to seen as "doing things" but doesn't seem to ever have very clear reads or goals in his posts.
On March 05 2019 12:43 LightningStrike wrote: Wave that point about Tina was part of my newer reasons for scumreading her as well. Sicklucker did point it out but he townreads her for it though lmao.
SL can be a surprisingly smart dude sometimes.
Hell he might even be town this game, pretty solid chance I'd wager.
I think SL is wrong about Tina but he did bring forward a good piece of evidence for me (later wave used).
Besides the case Wave just posted (or anything in it), what are your reasons for scum reading Rsoul?
On March 05 2019 08:23 LightningStrike wrote: Just got home for like 30 minutes I voting Tina I think she's mafia at this point mainly her town around on me and her interactions with Rayn leaves me thinking she's scum. Originally swap to HF because I wasn't feeling the Sent mayor kill anymore but swap back because HF wants to kill Palmar who I think is likely town.
TLDR her odd read shifts on me early and her interactions with rayn don't seem to come from Town!Tina from my perspective.(I made that post in on mobile so it did not come out as I wanted to.)
If it's not too much trouble, care to point me to one of these interactions?
The few interactions between them I saw suggested they were both town to me.
EPT
