WCSIf a government is elected, does the election tracker go to 0?
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If a government is elected, does the election tracker go to 0? | ||
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On October 30 2018 08:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think you want to have as much information as possible early on in the game. I don't mean "you can also elect people you think are obviously scummy" as like in every game like this reads ultimately matter in conflicts, but basically at least the first 2 "turns" we should have completely different governments. The player who first gets elected as president cannot be a councellor on second election, but regardless of the first policy's outcome i don't think we should include the first councellor into the second government. Fascist policies, even if elected, in fact do not "kill us" that quickly imo. We should have a town president though, since if the councellor gets 2F cards we cannot know what actually happened, or like... it's a shitty situation where the game usually breaks loose (scum president can always lie they got 3F and were forced to give away 2F). Idk i don't really wanna talk about scum strategy and hopefully they fuck up something. Get a town president, it doesn't really matter even if the coucellor is scum early on. Dont elect any same people on first two governments. That's pretty must the gist of it.  Can't we count the policies and if too many fascist policies appeared, we know that someone is lying? | ||
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On October 30 2018 08:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is also always going to be two policy cards in the deck when the deck is reshuffled, so you can never be 100% sure of all of the cards. But if at this point all presidents declared more than the total number of fascist policies, we can deduce that the one who declared three was lying? | ||
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On October 30 2018 09:21 happykrogan wrote: Can you please explain, what thinking process led you to asking this question? It's that things stay more simple if we can trust the first governments. It's actually I thought, let's just elect kita but he's super hard to read I think, so he can mess things up early and we can't trust anything that's going on later because we don't know if he lied about policies or not. | ||
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On October 30 2018 09:47 Grackaroni wrote: Why were you thinking of electing Kita? He's sort of a nice guy. | ||
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On October 30 2018 18:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Alright. I'll elaborate further later on when i am off work since quoting (and even typing) on phone is like hell for me. I dont understand prplhz' thought process at all and i think its possibly scummy. I mean the "lets pick townie dudes" but "i kinda wanted to include kita because he seems nice" (being nice has nothing to do with being townie or not). I dont think kruger and kitaman can be in a same scumteam unless kruger is exactly hitler because of how the interactions on the thread have gone so far. Kruger seems town anyways so i am okay with whatever he picks. I think kita has a flaw on his resistance proposal, but i dont really think that makes him anything. My thought process was the other way around, I didn't think "let's elect townie dudes and also kita". I thought "let's elect kita". And then I thought "okay maybe let's elect townie dudes and maybe not kita because he's hard to read and if we elect him now, the doubt it creates will linger for a good while". In my posts I actually say "there are some reasons to not elect kita that applies more to him than to others". In many elections in mafia, you don't necessarily elect the most townie person, but some combination of townie and skilled. For example for mayor. I just want to elect townie people in this game because the chancellor doesn't actually have to do anything other than push through a liberal policy. He doesn't need to be any good at mafia to do that. | ||
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On October 30 2018 22:18 Rels wrote: Ok. But I don't understand you townread kita in the first place for being nice. When apparently you think hes a good scum player I didn't. It was early in the game and I had no reads so I went with kita because I think he's nice. I didn't think he was more town than others or that him being nice outside of the game made him more town. | ||
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On October 31 2018 07:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you think it's unlikely to be picked up when prplhz basically said "i want to elect townies ofc, lets elect kita, idk what his alignment is"?????? That's not what happened. In most elections in mafia (mayor) you elect a combination of skill/dependability and townyness. In this game, skill isn't really a factor because the job of the president/chancellor is not particularly hard - choose liberal policies. So what I said was "the only thing that is important for president/chancellor, and the only thing the president should think about when choosing a chancellor, is that they are easy to read (and appear town)". happykrogan asked me why I was even thinking about this, my thought process, and I answered with my thought process. First, before the game had any posts, I thought "lets elect kita because he's nice", I might as well have thought "lets elect rayn because he likes to go to the sauna", it was pretty random. Then, secondly, and not simultaneously, I proceeded to think that townyness is the only thing that matters for me in a president/chancellor, and that the best person to elect is the one I find most likely town, rather than someone skilled or someone at random. For example, in most games, I often look at the 3 best players and then I sheep the one I think is most likely to be town. I don't sheep confirmed townies if I think they're unlikely to find scum. I this game, however, I will not just look at the 3 best players, I will only look at who is most townie, because the president/chancellor doesn't have to be good, their jobs are pretty simple and straight forward. I didn't randomly include kita in a list of people to elect, in the first post where I talk about him (in this post) I actually say that we should be wary of him because I think he's hard to read. I'm excluding him more than including him. | ||
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On October 31 2018 09:06 happykrogan wrote: Why was my answer for this question more important to you, than the answers of other people? Because you're up for election. | ||
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On October 31 2018 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Meh i am going to try be more clear, sorry, explaining shit is not my strong suit. So purplehaze, this is what bothers me: - You have taken part to discussion of how governments should be elected and imo come to conclusion that we should elect townie people. - After the above has happened, you ask "Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read?" - When krogan asks you "why do you ask that?", you answer: The last quote doesn't make any sense unless you were, at the time of when you asked "Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read?", thinking of electing kitaman, but both your answer (in the last quote), and how you took part to the discussion earlier disagrees with that. No, I wasn't thinking about electing kita when I asked that question. Before I asked that question I was thinking about electing kita but then I changed my mind and made a post about what had changed my mind (how readability and townyness ). Then I thought that it was a good idea to elect townie people (and not necessarily super scum hunters), and I wrote it in the thread, in the form of a question because then maybe someone will answer and maybe we can talk about something. I don't think anybody in the thread had clearly expressed the thought that townyness is important, and skill/dependability irrelevant up until that point. But maybe nobody had found that necessary to point out, because nobody had had the same thought process as me which was 1) elect kita/random! (nothing matters) 2) maybe do like mayor elections (or how i pretty much every game in that I sheep a lot)? (skill and townyness matter) 3) no, the only things that matter are readbility/townyness (townyness matters, skill is irrelevant) | ||
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Verdict pending but I don't think I'll make much of it. | ||
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On October 31 2018 09:42 Conversion wrote: not really considering ur in it tbh. should have paid attention Because you didn't know he was in it or because you had forgotten it? | ||
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On October 31 2018 10:06 happykrogan wrote: So why ask in the first place if you don't come to conclusions? Because maybe you could have answered something else that would have been more immediately useful to me. I don't know in advance what your answer may be. | ||
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On October 31 2018 10:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: What would you think if he said he agrees with Rels' idea? Super weird to encourage people to reject their own government. | ||
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On October 31 2018 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that more immediately useful? If not, what other possible answers are there? I had expected him to be more aggressive towards the people who reject his government. | ||
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On November 01 2018 02:02 happykrogan wrote: So me not fullfilling your expectations doesn't help you to draw conclusions. How would me fullfilling your expectations help you to draw conclusions, if me doing the opposite thing doesn't? You didn't do the opposite, you did like a middle of the road thing that didn't push me in either direction. | ||
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