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On November 06 2018 01:29 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2018 01:15 happykrogan wrote:
You're too fixated on that meta read. I remembered it and said it. Then you pointed out why it was bs and I took it back. I'm fixated in the fact that your read progression has stayed in the same circle because you are conveniently tunneled onto 3 people, have not re-evaluated anything, randomly threw the idea that byj was Hitler (so he now evolves within your convenient 3) are you going to read what I wrote, or are you going to be smug about how you didn't lie because you added a supporting statement on your main reason why you scumread Rels?
Also to my convenient three:
I talked to byj when he said stuff
I talked to rels when he said stuff
I postponed reading you again because it is very hard for me to reconsider you objectively. So I tried to win some time to get some mental distance from the lying accusation. I tried my best again today.
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On November 06 2018 01:37 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2018 01:29 Conversion wrote:On November 06 2018 01:15 happykrogan wrote:
You're too fixated on that meta read. I remembered it and said it. Then you pointed out why it was bs and I took it back. I'm fixated in the fact that your read progression has stayed in the same circle because you are conveniently tunneled onto 3 people, have not re-evaluated anything, randomly threw the idea that byj was Hitler (so he now evolves within your convenient 3) are you going to read what I wrote, or are you going to be smug about how you didn't lie because you added a supporting statement on your main reason why you scumread Rels? Also to my convenient three: I talked to byj when he said stuff I talked to rels when he said stuff I postponed reading you again because it is very hard for me to reconsider you objectively. So I tried to win some time to get some mental distance from the lying accusation. I tried my best again today.
Apart from that I will try to make a read on every chancellor/president when it's their turn. So next I will try to make a read on kitaman.
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On November 06 2018 01:39 Conversion wrote:
anyways, my state of the game:
elect always: rayn
elect high priority: grack
neutral: kita
try not to elect: prplhz, byj, happykrogan, rels
I'll come back later so I'm not spamming it up more than I already have
Why is kita suddenly not scum anymore?
Do you have anything on byj except this:
On November 06 2018 00:48 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2018 20:05 byj wrote:On November 04 2018 13:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Thanks <3 On November 05 2018 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For the record i just went to check the last game and idk what people are talking about but byj was the only one in that game to even vote for mafia and almost figured out the game on D2. Yeah he didn't say much there but what do you expect in a game that was something ridiculous like 10 pages in total. The point is he actually had reads and they werent even retarded. <3 Probably the game before that asking random questions that don't seem like they serve a purpose. What makes you think they don't serve a purpose? On November 04 2018 21:32 happykrogan wrote:
but I acknowledge that you might think you had a good plan. I was hoping for people to come 'defend' my plan, or try to not push me too hard. There would be no reason to do so, so I can assume the people doing so are Scum trying to gain my credit. Especially now in hindsight that Rels and Conversation seem to be easy to push as Scum instead (doesn't mean I think they're innocent either, they flatout ignored what I did =\). ??? I dug through your filter four times now and I have no idea what your "plan" was Care to elaborate?
Also that's a thing I talked about with him, so you don't have more on byj than me?
What's your problem with rels? I strg+f imn your filter but didn't find anything. What do you have more than I have.
I am not really sureif I did something wrong, because it was somehow not highlighting it every time.
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On November 06 2018 02:52 byj wrote:Show nested quote +
You think scum would defend you because it is easier to push rels and Conversion. Therefore you have to have a townread on both of them.Then you proceed to say you don't have a townread on them.
I don't need to have a town read on anybody to say they're easier to push than me???
You are assuming, that if you vote but not talk mafia will defend you.
The reason for that is, that rels and conversion are easier to push as mafia.
Therefore if you are telling the truth, you have to think they are both town, because otherwise mafia wouldn't want to push them.
If they wouldn't rather push them then you (because they are also mafia) your logic why mafia would defend you has failed.
Therefore you have to think they are town.
I hope I made it clearer.
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meh...
I can read conversion's anger today both ways...
As I read his filter today I actually assumed I would find him towny in the end, but as that didn't happen I may have unintenionally discredited his kita read for less than it actually was.
To be fair I haven't changed my reads much, but he is wrong in that I just go for the inactives, also I don't like how he attacked me as well as kita after we called him scummy...but then again he could just be angry town...
As he rayn is a far better and more experienced player then I am and we are up 2-0, I say fuck it and sheep him.
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On November 06 2018 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2018 00:14 happykrogan wrote:So I read through Conversion and came to the conclusion that I still don't think he looks very towny. He talks more but it's mostly about set-up and math. (where he did a complete 180 btw - but that may have come from him misunderstanding the rules) This are his only read posts: On November 02 2018 23:38 Conversion wrote:
In terms of who's the most liberal in my eyes (as in, I'd elect them Chancellor), it'd be rayn = krogan > everyone else, even if I'm salty about krogan doing nothing but calling me a liar just from how government 1 went. This read is not really a town tell, because it's a very obvious and non-dangerous read to make On November 05 2018 02:53 Conversion wrote:
I also strongly dislike kitaman disclaiming everything he does with a “I’m not sure”
Like he wasn’t sure on the last government, he’s not sure on who he’s going to nominate for a government.
Also his reasoning for me being scummy (I was cool with passing Grack/prplhz for information, calls me out on it, but when others made a comment relating to it he doesn’t address it) is pretty weird. I don’t understand how I’m scummier than prplhz when I made a good call out on his behavior, which he disregared bc “meta”
Just seems weirdly convicted on certain things, and overly eager to share that he is uncertain— like he’s overly accentuating his lack of certainty I don't even think that's true. He has reads so that is a rather lazy read from conversion to make. Also I guess he scumreads prplhz? Funny thing is that he was uncertain about him here: On November 03 2018 00:06 Conversion wrote:oof.. I really don't like the second part of his filter. His first part was just a lot of defending himself. IDK if that makes him a facist though?On November 01 2018 02:46 prplhz wrote:On November 01 2018 02:41 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2018 02:35 prplhz wrote:On November 01 2018 02:02 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2018 00:46 prplhz wrote:On October 31 2018 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2018 10:33 prplhz wrote:
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Super weird to encourage people to reject their own government. Is that more immediately useful? If not, what other possible answers are there? I had expected him to be more aggressive towards the people who reject his government. So me not fullfilling your expectations doesn't help you to draw conclusions. How would me fullfilling your expectations help you to draw conclusions, if me doing the opposite thing doesn't? You didn't do the opposite, you did like a middle of the road thing that didn't push me in either direction. I guess I believe you... But please do more stuff other than still talking about the kitaman thing, which most of your posts are about. It's that I don't have unlimited time and people were super mad. I'm thinking about some other things too, but I'm not ready to post. what other things were you thinking about prplhz? confused as to why you didn't just post what your thoughts were and instead went straight back into one liners for a bit after which is the thing he calls kita out for. So I vote no this government. You only vote no to this government if you think at least one of kitaman / Rels is townier than Conversion.
Rels is not townier and for this decision (I had only about 5 minutes to revaluate) I just trust you on kita.
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On November 06 2018 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you seriously think Grackaroni had the thought that he'd backpedal from nominating Conversion? Because i don't think that's a possibility given how strong he implied his read was (i agree Rels was never gonna get nominated most likely). Because if that was the case this would have happened:
1) Grack thinks: "okay i put my scumbuddy Conversion up there" (at least i agreed with his townread on Conversion back then)
2) "Well this is a super terrible thing to do because Rels isn't gonna be nominated anyways so i have to WAIT FOR HAIL MARY AND CROSS FINGERS THAT SOMEONE COMES AND TELLS ME TO NOMINATE SOMEONE ELSE"
3) rayn vouches for prplhz -> "THANK GOD I WOULD HAVE DONE A TERRIBLE MISTAKE FULLY KNOWING I DID ONE IF RAYN DIDNT DO THAT"
really kita? really? that's not how mafia plays.
also this is true...
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Is it generally a bad Idea to just sheep a good player you think is townie when you are unsure about your own reads?
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On November 06 2018 07:19 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2018 07:05 happykrogan wrote:
Is it generally a bad Idea to just sheep a good player you think is townie when you are unsure about your own reads? Yes, it's usually fine to sheep another player if you think they are town, as long as you develop reads of your own eventually. That being said, I do find it weird that you seem to lean fascist on Conversion and say that you don't want to read me until tomorrow, yet are planning to pass this one through.
I decided to simply sheep rayn here, because I thought I had only about 5 minutes until deadline (as I returned to my pc). So I couldn't make a good read on you. Could have probably done it as there is no deadline post there though.
I also never felt too confidend about conversion ecxept as I called him a liar, and as we were fighting, but I always returned to a "meh... I don't know" feeling about him pretty fast.
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On November 01 2018 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 18:38 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2018 18:36 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2018 11:53 Conversion wrote:On November 01 2018 11:26 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2018 07:20 Conversion wrote:
also you fixating on a point on me "lying" is really inane and forced trying to generate content when no one's paying attention to you
also I hope we draw F/F/F and descend in to chaos you might not believe me, but I actually think lying is a scummy thing to do. And you did lie, as you stated two contradicting things. Also I think this response is scummy. It doesn't fit into the careless attitude you showed, because you are clearly bothered by it. Also instead of explaining why you said what you said as town (what town should be capable of), you decided to attack me and my credibility, calling it an desperate attempt of generating content. Also you made this post, which I interpret as an attempt of making me look stupid On November 01 2018 07:19 Conversion wrote:On November 01 2018 06:19 happykrogan wrote:
Conversion did a very good in totally confusing me...
I don't get what he wanted to say, but I guess it doesn't matter as his theory was under a wrong understanding of the game mechanics...?
He still lied though you could have read nothing but my last post and gotten that conclusion congrats! Where I stated that trying to figure out your argument was confusing me (before I read your last post of course), which I admit was unnecessary to state as I already realized it doesn't matter anyways. But the way you attacked me on it, together with the second post, seems like scum trying to defend themself by making the person with the argument look bad opposed to trying to convince him that argument was flawed. so what makes you so sure that I was lying instead of literally forgetting what I wrote? If you're forgot what you wrote and then write a contradicting statement, you have to be scum. If it really was your opinion, that we should vote no, because of information we can get out of the votes, you wouldn't say you don't care about the votes later.You would still have that opinion, whether you remember already writing it or not. So even if you forgot what you wrote, one of the statements is still false, therefore you lied. @Grackaroni @Raynpelikoneet How can such behaviour ever come from town? I would agree with you if this was about something that really matters, like if conversion had a scumread on someone and then forgot about it. But i dont think gameplaywise technical things go to that category and if he wants to discuss those things as scum i'd think he'd be sure to keep his story straight (because he can basically have any opinion he wants and it doesnt necessarily make him scum -- thats why this long discussion about technical things sucks, just play the game and make reads, thats priority #1). You'd be surprised how dumb things people can actually do. Some games ago we had a player who didnt know how their role worked, even after they were told to go re-read their role pm....
mainly this post made me unsure first. Rayn is a better player then me and doesn't think it matters so it probably doesn't matter.
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On November 06 2018 07:35 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 01 2018 18:38 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2018 18:36 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2018 11:53 Conversion wrote:On November 01 2018 11:26 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2018 07:20 Conversion wrote:
also you fixating on a point on me "lying" is really inane and forced trying to generate content when no one's paying attention to you
also I hope we draw F/F/F and descend in to chaos you might not believe me, but I actually think lying is a scummy thing to do. And you did lie, as you stated two contradicting things. Also I think this response is scummy. It doesn't fit into the careless attitude you showed, because you are clearly bothered by it. Also instead of explaining why you said what you said as town (what town should be capable of), you decided to attack me and my credibility, calling it an desperate attempt of generating content. Also you made this post, which I interpret as an attempt of making me look stupid On November 01 2018 07:19 Conversion wrote:On November 01 2018 06:19 happykrogan wrote:
Conversion did a very good in totally confusing me...
I don't get what he wanted to say, but I guess it doesn't matter as his theory was under a wrong understanding of the game mechanics...?
He still lied though you could have read nothing but my last post and gotten that conclusion congrats! Where I stated that trying to figure out your argument was confusing me (before I read your last post of course), which I admit was unnecessary to state as I already realized it doesn't matter anyways. But the way you attacked me on it, together with the second post, seems like scum trying to defend themself by making the person with the argument look bad opposed to trying to convince him that argument was flawed. so what makes you so sure that I was lying instead of literally forgetting what I wrote? If you're forgot what you wrote and then write a contradicting statement, you have to be scum. If it really was your opinion, that we should vote no, because of information we can get out of the votes, you wouldn't say you don't care about the votes later.You would still have that opinion, whether you remember already writing it or not. So even if you forgot what you wrote, one of the statements is still false, therefore you lied. @Grackaroni @Raynpelikoneet How can such behaviour ever come from town? I would agree with you if this was about something that really matters, like if conversion had a scumread on someone and then forgot about it. But i dont think gameplaywise technical things go to that category and if he wants to discuss those things as scum i'd think he'd be sure to keep his story straight (because he can basically have any opinion he wants and it doesnt necessarily make him scum -- thats why this long discussion about technical things sucks, just play the game and make reads, thats priority #1). You'd be surprised how dumb things people can actually do. Some games ago we had a player who didnt know how their role worked, even after they were told to go re-read their role pm.... mainly this post made me unsure first. Rayn is a better player then me and doesn't think it matters so it probably doesn't matter.
Because I am pretty sure he is town that is.
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I try to avoid getting tunelled and if I am the only one talking about a thing, that could mean I am tapping in the dark.
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On November 06 2018 10:42 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 09:50 happykrogan wrote:On November 04 2018 09:16 Rels wrote:On November 04 2018 08:22 happykrogan wrote:On November 04 2018 08:03 Rels wrote:On November 04 2018 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 04 2018 07:59 Rels wrote:On November 04 2018 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 04 2018 05:00 Rels wrote:
do fascists really know each other ? I thought that too, but reading the OP it looks like they don't Yeah you are scum you know this already you have played this on voice mafia. Liar Yeah maybe you heavent but you should know that's not how the game works and i dont give a single shit going 1v1 against you because you are scum. I think you're town so communication is over now. Not talking to someone that thinks I should somehow know things out of thin air So I am confirmed scum in your opinion now? No. I had this idea thinking about the first vote at some point but I dont think it was a strong point also this thought process doesn't feel honest. well, as I've told you earlier, my scum game is very good. Did you check my past games like I told you to ? This never happens when I'm scum  I never change my mind without a reason
I read through a fOn November 03 2018 05:40 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 01:21 happykrogan wrote:On November 03 2018 00:25 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2018 00:16 happykrogan wrote:
I also don't think prplhz is that much less scummy than the other three. The problem I have to vote for people who I think are a little bit scummy or I will have to almost constantly vote no.
And at least we will get informationout of it. Could you give me the spark notes version of who you view as facist and more importantly, why? If you're feeling better about conversion and would pass a grack/prpl team, I'm struggling to get an idea of who you think the bad guys are. As I am conflicted about Conversion I don't really have someone I am convinced is a fascist right now. I have a few people I think are scummy and I would prefer not to vote. Conversion: Lying but I reconsider him when he is presidential candidate Rels: What Rayn said + being inactive but writing some easy to make oneliners when he is in thread Examples: On October 30 2018 22:15 Rels wrote:On October 30 2018 09:06 prplhz wrote:
Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read? As opposed to what ? Hard to read ? What's the benefit of that ? On October 31 2018 06:19 Rels wrote:On October 31 2018 06:02 happykrogan wrote:
I decided to go with rayn. His concern seems like a plausible threat and I don't think scum would reveal that to the thread. I don't know if you've ever played with rayn, but that is not something I would townread him for. On October 31 2018 06:27 Rels wrote:On October 31 2018 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2018 05:32 Rels wrote:
I like hk and grack thought process about finding Hitler. Would prefer one of them as chancellor if we had to choose right now What do you mean? Can you elaborate more? Grack one is he one where he says prp could be scum and kita Hitler. If I rzmember correctly. Not at home so if you don't find it I'll find it later I think Inactivity + a few generic posts is a lot more scummier than just not writing anything Usually true, not true at all for me. Read my past games for proof.
ew random games, but only town and only like the first page of the filter to check for this.
If you want me to read your scum games I can do that too.
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On November 06 2018 21:29 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2018 10:42 Rels wrote:On November 04 2018 09:50 happykrogan wrote:On November 04 2018 09:16 Rels wrote:On November 04 2018 08:22 happykrogan wrote:On November 04 2018 08:03 Rels wrote:On November 04 2018 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 04 2018 07:59 Rels wrote:On November 04 2018 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 04 2018 05:00 Rels wrote:
do fascists really know each other ? I thought that too, but reading the OP it looks like they don't Yeah you are scum you know this already you have played this on voice mafia. Liar Yeah maybe you heavent but you should know that's not how the game works and i dont give a single shit going 1v1 against you because you are scum. I think you're town so communication is over now. Not talking to someone that thinks I should somehow know things out of thin air So I am confirmed scum in your opinion now? No. I had this idea thinking about the first vote at some point but I dont think it was a strong point also this thought process doesn't feel honest. well, as I've told you earlier, my scum game is very good. Did you check my past games like I told you to ? This never happens when I'm scum I never change my mind without a reason I read through a few random games, but only town and only like the first page of the filter to check for this. Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 05:40 Rels wrote:On November 03 2018 01:21 happykrogan wrote:On November 03 2018 00:25 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2018 00:16 happykrogan wrote:
I also don't think prplhz is that much less scummy than the other three. The problem I have to vote for people who I think are a little bit scummy or I will have to almost constantly vote no.
And at least we will get informationout of it. Could you give me the spark notes version of who you view as facist and more importantly, why? If you're feeling better about conversion and would pass a grack/prpl team, I'm struggling to get an idea of who you think the bad guys are. As I am conflicted about Conversion I don't really have someone I am convinced is a fascist right now. I have a few people I think are scummy and I would prefer not to vote. Conversion: Lying but I reconsider him when he is presidential candidate Rels: What Rayn said + being inactive but writing some easy to make oneliners when he is in thread Examples: On October 30 2018 22:15 Rels wrote:On October 30 2018 09:06 prplhz wrote:
Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read? As opposed to what ? Hard to read ? What's the benefit of that ? On October 31 2018 06:19 Rels wrote:On October 31 2018 06:02 happykrogan wrote:
I decided to go with rayn. His concern seems like a plausible threat and I don't think scum would reveal that to the thread. I don't know if you've ever played with rayn, but that is not something I would townread him for. On October 31 2018 06:27 Rels wrote:On October 31 2018 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2018 05:32 Rels wrote:
I like hk and grack thought process about finding Hitler. Would prefer one of them as chancellor if we had to choose right now What do you mean? Can you elaborate more? Grack one is he one where he says prp could be scum and kita Hitler. If I rzmember correctly. Not at home so if you don't find it I'll find it later I think Inactivity + a few generic posts is a lot more scummier than just not writing anything Usually true, not true at all for me. Read my past games for proof. If you want me to read your scum games I can do that too.
EBWOP
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My problem with reading Conversion is that I want him to be scum, which is not a good basis for a read.
I will think about what he said about the convenient three. He is not right in the fact, that I read anyone scum only for inactivity, but maybe I saw everything the three did as: what I will read now is from scum, so I thought it was scummy no matter what they said.
I try my best but this is only my third game so it is probably easy to step in those traps.
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On November 06 2018 21:35 happykrogan wrote:
My problem with reading Conversion is that I want him to be scum, which is not a good basis for a read.
I will think about what he said about the convenient three. He is not right in the fact, that I read anyone scum only for inactivity, but maybe I saw everything the three did as: what I will read now is from scum, so I thought it was scummy no matter what they said.
I try my best but this is only my third game so it is probably easy to step in those traps.
Basically that means I will try to mentally reset my reads as best as I can, read through all filters and reconsider everyone. I might put in about a 2 days break before that (until I have to vote again), so I can do it with a mindset as unbiased as possible.
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On November 07 2018 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
happykrogan have you played secret hitler before?
no
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On November 07 2018 12:42 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 05:07 happykrogan wrote:On October 25 2018 04:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
The game consists of 8 players in total:
1 player is Hitler.
There are 2 other fascists who know Hitler. Hitler does not know who the fascists are.
There is no QT for any of the fascists. All communication is in-thread.
Hitler does not not know. Not the fascist don't know. So they probably know each other... At least I thought so the whole game. Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 05:19 happykrogan wrote:On November 04 2018 05:11 byj wrote:On November 04 2018 05:00 Rels wrote:
do fascists really know each other ? I thought that too, but reading the OP it looks like they don't Oh you're right There are 2 other fascists who know Hitler. Hitler does not know who the fascists are. So I guess they'll have to find out with communication onto the same person, should be no other way to differentiate between hitler and fascist otherwise Here to reinforce the idea fascist don't know other, because you're fascist and it's wrong? Why else would that be the only thing you say right now?I mean you could use the time to tell us why you voted but didn't talk. The bolded is ridiculous. First, what possible gain would scum would have to lie about something so easily disproved ? Second, there is a disconnect between your two posts. In the first, you say to have assumed that fascists know each other, but you're not 100% sure. In the second post, you're so sure that fascists know each other, so you accuse someone else of lying about it. That makes no sense.
the gain is town cred.
Also it is a potential scenario if it was correct what I assumed the whole game
To your treating players differently
scum knows each other: you asked the question first while byj just made one random post about it
kita/byj kita has a way bigger filter and talked a lot about other things too, his oneliner was: I don't think X is hitler
byj talked in his small filter a lot about hitler and had this random post I think X is scum.because he knows who hitler is
In both cases there is a difference
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I will read throgh both rels and kita now, to see which one I think is townier.
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On November 08 2018 13:55 Rels wrote:
going to sleep. Grack, Conversion, byj, could you say that you will vote YES to a Grack / Rels team if kita / Grack doesn't pass ? So rayn is happy
I know this is not adressed to me, but if kita/grack doesn't go through I would vote yes to a Rels/Grack Team, because I think the plan is good.
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