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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 08 2018 22:17 GMT
#855
I think today was actually a really good day for information even if I don't pass.

Conversion suddenly changing his view of me and Rels is really telling I think.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 08 2018 22:37 GMT
#860
On November 09 2018 07:26 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 07:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think i want to vote yes here.


Do you want to vote yes on kita and no on Rels?


I'm not rayn, but I think "here" is pretty obviously referring to yes on this vote for me.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 08 2018 22:43 GMT
#864
On November 09 2018 07:40 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 07:37 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 09 2018 07:26 Conversion wrote:
On November 09 2018 07:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think i want to vote yes here.


Do you want to vote yes on kita and no on Rels?


I'm not rayn, but I think "here" is pretty obviously referring to yes on this vote for me.


Thanks Captain Obvious. Want to tell me wif he wants to vote Rels as well?


The whole part of the plan was only passing one so he could get the dt check.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 08 2018 22:59 GMT
#870
On November 09 2018 07:54 prplhz wrote:
I don't know how I will vote.


On October 30 2018 22:12 Rels wrote:
I would prefer to not elect a president right away to have more time to discuss. Like in resistance

It's also really important to read between the lines sometimes!


On October 30 2018 22:14 Rels wrote:
Me and conversion probably? Just so you know.


On October 30 2018 22:15 Rels wrote:
Are you sure? As opposed to what ? Hard to read ? What's the benefit of that ?


On October 30 2018 22:18 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2018 21:25 prplhz wrote:
On October 30 2018 18:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alright. I'll elaborate further later on when i am off work since quoting (and even typing) on phone is like hell for me.

I dont understand prplhz' thought process at all and i think its possibly scummy. I mean the "lets pick townie dudes" but "i kinda wanted to include kita because he seems nice" (being nice has nothing to do with being townie or not).

I dont think kruger and kitaman can be in a same scumteam unless kruger is exactly hitler because of how the interactions on the thread have gone so far. Kruger seems town anyways so i am okay with whatever he picks.

I think kita has a flaw on his resistance proposal, but i dont really think that makes him anything.

My thought process was the other way around, I didn't think "let's elect townie dudes and also kita". I thought "let's elect kita". And then I thought "okay maybe let's elect townie dudes and maybe not kita because he's hard to read and if we elect him now, the doubt it creates will linger for a good while". In my posts I actually say "there are some reasons to not elect kita that applies more to him than to others".

In many elections in mafia, you don't necessarily elect the most townie person, but some combination of townie and skilled. For example for mayor. I just want to elect townie people in this game because the chancellor doesn't actually have to do anything other than push through a liberal policy. He doesn't need to be any good at mafia to do that.


Facists, but I don't understand you townread kita in the first place for being nice. When apparently you think hes a good scum player


whoooa look at what I just found?! This is game changing.

RELS IS TOTALLY OUTING HIMSELF TO HITLER AT THE START OF THE GAME.

VOTE YES HERE!!!!!!!
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 08 2018 23:28 GMT
#885
lol I was just messing with people XD

Lets see how Rels does I suppose.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 09 2018 17:04 GMT
#920
On November 10 2018 01:08 Rels wrote:
concerning kita, you all have to know that he's a hard to catch scum. My first really salty loss came from a game where he was scum and smurfing, this one. He made really reasonnable and logical posts all game, and nobody really suspected him until he won by himself. And I see the same this game. He's making reads based on good looking, logical reasons. My problems is that sometimes, when he writes a post and wants to justify a choice, like a read and a vote, I can feel that he's making up a reason on the spot. And sometimes, this reason that seems so logical, actually shouldn't make sense in his point of view.


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On November 10 2018 01:08 Rels wrote:
Here, he's saying that a reason to scumread Grack is that he wants to elect two people that are scummy to "pass the blame". But this doesn't shouldn't make sense because in his point of view, Grack, Conversion and I are the 3 bottom people of his list. He tries to justify it with the last sentence, but that doesn't solve the chicken and egg problem; Grack is scummy because he wants to elect scummier people with him; but he's probably not scum with a dude he wants to elect; so he shoudln't have been that low on the list in the first place.


I was suspicious of Grack because I didn't like his nomination choices. When he chose not to elect you or conversion I decided to vote for him through (I was the tiebreaker). As for the Conversion is Hitler thing, I would be pretty surprised if Hitler hadn't figured out who his buddies are by now. If I can figure out that you're mafia, it should be pretty obvious to Conversion too considering how much you've propped him up all game and you've never supported a liberal agenda.

On November 10 2018 01:08 Rels wrote:
Finally, the hail mary yesterday. He faked some of my posts LITERALLY 1 MINUTE before the deadline, so there wouldn't be time for them to be fact checked. He later claim he was just messing with people, but that's a very convenient joke that could have make the difference between him being elected or not.


lol I posted it at 5:59:50. 10 seconds before the deadline. It was literally impossible for someone to happen to refresh the page immediately, read the post, and change their vote in that amount of time. That impacted the vote in no way at all.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 09 2018 17:09 GMT
#921
On November 01 2018 06:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
5. Rels - Nein!


On November 03 2018 07:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
5. Rels - Nein!


On November 06 2018 10:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
5. Rels - has been warned for not voting


On November 09 2018 08:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
5. Rels - Nein!


People really need to pay more attention to this.

The single most important part of this game in regards to ones alignment is voting record and election actions.

RELS HAS NOT CONTRIBUTED TO A SINGLE LIBERAL POLICY BEING PASSED.

He failed the rayn/krogan vote.
He failed the grack/prpl vote.
He didn't vote for conversion and rayn.
He failed the kita/grack vote.

You know what his first YES vote is going to be?

WHEN HE'S PRESIDENT.

He's suddenly "motivated" to play the game. You know why? Because he finally has an opportunity to send a facist policy through. How convenient.

Can we please just pass this over to rayn? Someone explain to me why rayn as president and krogran/grack as chancellor doesn't make more sense? Those guys have proven they can send liberal policies through. Rels has done absolutely nothing but smear my name to suit his purposes.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 09 2018 18:09 GMT
#933
rayn, why did you sit around and do nothing all day if you wanted me to get elected?

Conversion and Krogan would have very easily switched their vote if you told them to, yet you didn't.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 09 2018 18:32 GMT
#936
On November 10 2018 03:16 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2018 03:13 prplhz wrote:
On November 10 2018 02:36 Rels wrote:
On November 10 2018 02:31 prplhz wrote:
What is checkable? Why is it good to downvote a government that passes a liberal policy? If we had all done like you, where would we have been, policy-wise? Are you proud that, by your own metric, at least one in four of your votes was good?

I sort of get how you don't play early game, I think you always do something like that, but painting yourself a hero because you do that makes no sense. And right now your cases seem to be just wild flailing, I don't really understand any of it.

I don't paint myself as a hero, wtf are you talking about ? kita is claiming my sudden motivation is due to my will to attack him and become president, when there is an occam razor's explanation.

Your last sentence prove what is checkable.

It's not "good" to downvote a government that passes a liberal policy, try a little bit to understand the context. Kita is pushing the idea that:
"Rels has downvoted every government that has passed a liberal policy!"
But he's also pushing the idea that:
"One of the elected people is scum!"
Do you get now what it is ridiculous about it ?

No. What is wrong with winning a game through scum passing 6 liberal policies in an effort to look good to town? And why is it better to vote no to three governments without scum that passes liberal policies than it is to vote yes to a government with scum that passes a liberal policy? I'm having a very hard time understanding this particular thing.

Why is it better to downvote a scum government that passes liberal than to upvote three town governments that passes liberal?

Anyway, scum will always want to pass some liberal policies in the beginning for town cred, so let them.

I don't understand what you're saying. I'm not claiming I'm town due to my voting pattern, I'm defending against kita's accusation that my votes make me scum.


You're not defending it adequately though. Voting no to all four pairings and justifying it by saying one of those 6 players was mafia, doesn't make it okay.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 09 2018 18:40 GMT
#938
On November 10 2018 03:37 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2018 03:32 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 10 2018 03:16 Rels wrote:
On November 10 2018 03:13 prplhz wrote:
On November 10 2018 02:36 Rels wrote:
On November 10 2018 02:31 prplhz wrote:
What is checkable? Why is it good to downvote a government that passes a liberal policy? If we had all done like you, where would we have been, policy-wise? Are you proud that, by your own metric, at least one in four of your votes was good?

I sort of get how you don't play early game, I think you always do something like that, but painting yourself a hero because you do that makes no sense. And right now your cases seem to be just wild flailing, I don't really understand any of it.

I don't paint myself as a hero, wtf are you talking about ? kita is claiming my sudden motivation is due to my will to attack him and become president, when there is an occam razor's explanation.

Your last sentence prove what is checkable.

It's not "good" to downvote a government that passes a liberal policy, try a little bit to understand the context. Kita is pushing the idea that:
"Rels has downvoted every government that has passed a liberal policy!"
But he's also pushing the idea that:
"One of the elected people is scum!"
Do you get now what it is ridiculous about it ?

No. What is wrong with winning a game through scum passing 6 liberal policies in an effort to look good to town? And why is it better to vote no to three governments without scum that passes liberal policies than it is to vote yes to a government with scum that passes a liberal policy? I'm having a very hard time understanding this particular thing.

Why is it better to downvote a scum government that passes liberal than to upvote three town governments that passes liberal?

Anyway, scum will always want to pass some liberal policies in the beginning for town cred, so let them.

I don't understand what you're saying. I'm not claiming I'm town due to my voting pattern, I'm defending against kita's accusation that my votes make me scum.


You're not defending it adequately though. Voting no to all four pairings and justifying it by saying one of those 6 players was mafia, doesn't make it okay.

I'm attacking your reasonning. You think at least one dude elected is scum, yet you're attacking me saying "he voted NO to all the teams, therefore he's scum!" Well according to you, I voted NO to at least one scum, so your reasonning doesn't make sense.


My argument is that you haven't contributed to a single liberal policy being passed based on your voting record. There isn't any way to depute that, regardless of how you want to frame it.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 10 2018 03:10 GMT
#943
I think we might be ready for 12 hour cycles XD

Voting no on this one.

On November 10 2018 02:09 kitaman27 wrote:
Can we please just pass this over to rayn? Someone explain to me why rayn as president and krogran/grack as chancellor doesn't make more sense?

I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 10 2018 18:05 GMT
#952
byj has looked townier than you lately to be honest.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 10 2018 18:10 GMT
#956
oh so I'm scum now the moment I start getting suspicious of you, yet you're trying to vote me through yesterday?

byj has been so all over the place with his reads that I really don't think there's a chance he's facist at all. Zero chance.

On November 11 2018 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why are you voting no here kita?


The fact that you even have to ask this question shows that you're not even paying attention.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 10 2018 18:12 GMT
#957
Rayn / Rels / X

Calling it right here.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 10 2018 18:18 GMT
#961
Because you were the only player in the thread that said you were voting yes and you made no effort to convince others to do so when they started sounding open to the idea.

Now that I re-read your plan, it's so obvious.

Mafia's only chance to win is to pass 3 facist policies and elect Hitler as the chancellor.

You're plan is entirely motivated around having 2 facist polcies get sent through and the you getting control of the dt check. As president, you check Hitler, lie about his alignment and then get him elected to win the game before we catch on.

Wow, how could I have been so dumb to not see this earlier.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 10 2018 18:18 GMT
#963
IT'S RAYN AND RELS PEOPLE

It has to be.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 10 2018 18:20 GMT
#966
On November 08 2018 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
All i care about is me getting the investigation so i find either conf scum or conf town (which will allow 100% win)


On November 08 2018 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
All i care about is me getting the investigation so i find either conf scum or conf town (which will allow 100% win)


On November 08 2018 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
All i care about is me getting the investigation so i find either conf scum or conf town (which will allow 100% win)


I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 10 2018 18:23 GMT
#970
Because I'm realizing how scummy it is.

I was happy to get elected because I thought I'd just pass a liberal policy through and the game would be over. Now that I see you've set it up for Rels to pass a facist plan, you to pass a facist plan, and then you to fake a dt check, I've realized that's the only way you're going to win this.

Think about it...krogan gave you L/F. I bet you passed L thinking you could take control of the thread and it has worked....until now.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 10 2018 18:27 GMT
#973
"oh hey guys, I got FFF. That's unlucky. Lets elect rayn next"

-Rels 24 hours from now



I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 10 2018 18:30 GMT
#975
Because it's so obvious that you have a preference for Rels over myself based on your behavior the last 48 hours.

Meh, we're not going to accomplish anything arguing with each other. Lets wait until some else shows up.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
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