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kitaman27
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On November 08 2018 01:42 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2018 01:32 kitaman27 wrote:On November 08 2018 01:26 Rels wrote:On November 08 2018 01:22 kitaman27 wrote:On November 07 2018 07:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I will say something though, that i have been keeping to my chest for a while. Why were you more certain of krogan being town than me being town at some point during the game, kita? I mean the point when for example the prplhz discussion was going on. krogan did absolutely nothing during maybe 2 irl-days other than rewrote my posts. I think Krogan deserved the town cred from the first election where he had the opportunity to pass FF and claim FFF, where as you had less of a choice. If I had the opportunity now, I'd choose you over krogan since you're still trying to find a path to victory and he has kinda dropped off, but I still think you're both town regardless. I'm going to go ahead and choose grack. I have a pretty strong town read on him and I think the plan to put the DT check in rayn's hand is a good one. If we're lucky, we'll just hit the 65% liberal policy chance on my presidency and the game will kinda be over anyways. Rels is obviously going for a hail marry with that team that makes little sense and he showed very little interest in the game early on to suddenly think he conveniently "solved" the game. That makes no sense for you to plan for a investigation check if you think you, Grack, rayn and conversion are town. In that scenario, the chance that we have 6 F in a row is ridiculous. The other players are planning about it because they're not sure of our alignment. But from your POV it makes no sense That's just the fallback plan. Like I said several times, "If we're lucky, we'll just hit the 65% liberal policy chance on my presidency and the game will kinda be over anyways." The fallback plan still doesn't make sense. If you get FFF, rayn duo are almost guaranteed to have a liberal policy in their choices.
That's a good thing since it would mean we would be at 5 liberal and 1 facist.
And if we get really unlucky with the 2 liberal cards at the bottom of the deck then we have the DT fallback, but I think it's like 3.5% chance of happening if everyone was truthful with their draws.
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kitaman27
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On November 08 2018 02:28 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2018 01:42 Rels wrote:On November 08 2018 01:32 kitaman27 wrote:On November 08 2018 01:26 Rels wrote:On November 08 2018 01:22 kitaman27 wrote:On November 07 2018 07:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I will say something though, that i have been keeping to my chest for a while. Why were you more certain of krogan being town than me being town at some point during the game, kita? I mean the point when for example the prplhz discussion was going on. krogan did absolutely nothing during maybe 2 irl-days other than rewrote my posts. I think Krogan deserved the town cred from the first election where he had the opportunity to pass FF and claim FFF, where as you had less of a choice. If I had the opportunity now, I'd choose you over krogan since you're still trying to find a path to victory and he has kinda dropped off, but I still think you're both town regardless. I'm going to go ahead and choose grack. I have a pretty strong town read on him and I think the plan to put the DT check in rayn's hand is a good one. If we're lucky, we'll just hit the 65% liberal policy chance on my presidency and the game will kinda be over anyways. Rels is obviously going for a hail marry with that team that makes little sense and he showed very little interest in the game early on to suddenly think he conveniently "solved" the game. That makes no sense for you to plan for a investigation check if you think you, Grack, rayn and conversion are town. In that scenario, the chance that we have 6 F in a row is ridiculous. The other players are planning about it because they're not sure of our alignment. But from your POV it makes no sense That's just the fallback plan. Like I said several times, "If we're lucky, we'll just hit the 65% liberal policy chance on my presidency and the game will kinda be over anyways." The fallback plan still doesn't make sense. If you get FFF, rayn duo are almost guaranteed to have a liberal policy in their choices. That's a good thing since it would mean we would be at 5 liberal and 1 facist. And if we get really unlucky with the 2 liberal cards at the bottom of the deck then we have the DT fallback, but I think it's like 3.5% chance of happening if everyone was truthful with their draws.
Unless rayn passing a liberal card and that player happens to be facist, but that scenario could happen basically any way we set things up.
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kitaman27
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On November 08 2018 04:40 Rels wrote:
I think the plan to put the DT check in rayn's hand is a good one" is not something you could have thought, since it has no chance of happening; if you get unlucky and get FFF, rayn is almost sure to have a liberal card, and thus don't have investigative power.
That would be FFF, followed by FFF or FFL with a facist chancellor. It's more likely that we just win outright, but meh.
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kitaman27
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On November 08 2018 05:28 byj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2018 04:47 Rels wrote:On November 08 2018 04:27 byj wrote:I voted yes, but anybody by chance has the %s of there being FFF? On November 07 2018 12:36 Rels wrote:
all this talk about this "plan" seems just so naïve. I still think it's a good plan and not naive =] Kita calculated it to 35%. Just did it and I also find 36%. Why are you voting yes ? Oh that's high. Because I trust Grack, but I expected the FFF chance to be lower. I don't trust kita enough to leave him a 33% excuse, is it possible to change my vote?
There is a 35.5% chance regardless of who is elected.
You can change your vote, but you really shouldn't. It's just going to pass to Rels afterwards who will get downvoted, then passed to rayn who has the same chance of getting FFF.
You said yourself that grack is the only player you trust. I don't think you'll ever get elected so this really is the best you'll get.
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kitaman27
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Does this accurately reflect everyone's opinion so far? You really should justify why you prefer one candidate over the other because we can use that information later on. I'm talking about prpl, byj, krogan and conversion specifically.
kitaman27 - Yes
raynpelikoneet - Yes to one or the other
byj - Yes, but could change
prplhz - Learning Yes
happykrogan - Yes to both pairs (?)
Grackaroni - ?
Conversion - Leaning No?
Rels - No
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kitaman27
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On November 06 2018 01:39 Conversion wrote:
anyways, my state of the game:
elect always: rayn
elect high priority: grack
neutral: kita
try not to elect: prplhz, byj, happykrogan, rels
On November 08 2018 00:43 Conversion wrote:
it boils down to skipping you or kita again.. more inclined to skip kitaman so I'll rethink and redive.
I really think we may have forced Conversion's hand with showing his allegiance to Rels. He lists grack and myself in his top three trustworthy list and since rayn can't be elected, that would mean grack + kita is his ideal team.
Yet a day later when he is suddenly given the choice he decides to favor a Rels + grack team over me with no explanation. People need to pay attention to this if that's how things shake up. Rels team may be more likely to pass, but that's because he has his pair of cronies to back him up. You should vote for the player who is most likely town, not the team that is most likely to pass.
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kitaman27
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On November 09 2018 00:17 Conversion wrote:
I'm tempted to just OMGUS kitaman and veto him because he keeps sticking to this "Conversion is scummy and I will never reposition myself away from this position" and it's on krogan's level of stubbornness and it's annoying me, but I'll objectively dive.
Heh if I were scum I'd totally buddy up to you to try to earn your vote, but the fact of matter is that I do in fact still think you're mafia.
Could you explain the discrepancy in the posts I just pointed out?
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kitaman27
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On November 09 2018 00:51 Conversion wrote:
He seems to say that it's find if we roll with people that are providing positive results, which makes the entire pool of governments we had so far good candidates to roll with his plan. However, he seems to be going against what he thought was a good plan-- he is no longer re-evaluating after a negative result is shown, but not rolling with a government that showed a positive result (Conversion/rayn) and just automatically vetoing me based on his read.
Huh? During your presidency only krogan, rayn, and grack had alignment indicative results from the elections. I'm not sure what you mean why you say that you showed a positive result.
On November 09 2018 00:51 Conversion wrote:
He in fact, during this time, has called me being scummy for "being cool with grack/prplhz," while completely ignoring the fact that I was specifically okay with it because I had a strong belief that it would be a liberal grack/prplhz facist split at best
That's correct. I think that's scummy reasoning.
On November 09 2018 00:51 Conversion wrote:
Why did kitaman then have such a hard time deciding? Grack and prplhz was in the lower half of his townie rankings, it should have been leaning pretty hard to a no in that case since he did not believe in voting a government solely for getting information.
The term limits meant that I couldn't take rayn or krogan who were at the top of my list. I wasn't going to get chosen by you or grack, which pretty much means that I had to pick players from my middle tier. It didn't include you and Rels so I passed it through. You're really framing your argument to fit your narrative here.
On November 09 2018 00:51 Conversion wrote:
He thinks a facist was elected, but also thinks that facist player would choose to sabotage if they had the chance, unless they are Hitler.
Correction, I know that a facist player was elected. At this point, I'm leaning towards either you being Hitler or prpl being a facist who didn't need to make a choice on d2.
On November 09 2018 00:51 Conversion wrote:
If that's the case, why isn't he pushing this idea further to convince other liberals? Seems like an awfully convenient soft jab to try and paint me as a facist.
Well I think I made it pretty clear with my latest post that I think you and Rels are connected. Hardly a soft jab.
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kitaman27
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On November 09 2018 00:51 Conversion wrote:
No, you didn't have to pick people from your middle tier, you could have pushed for more information in order to be more sure of who you were voting for. You sat back, told people you were unsure, and then ended up voting for them for ?reasons? that I still don't know.
So what's my facist motivation for passing it through?
On November 09 2018 00:51 Conversion wrote:
How do you know a facist was elected? Playing possibility games != certain knowledge..
I'm certain because there were five people elected and I wasn't one of them lol.
I know for a fact because there are only five liberals in the game. You obviously aren't working with the same knowledge, but it's a fact nevertheless.
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kitaman27
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On November 09 2018 04:03 Conversion wrote:
oh wait I am stupid, you are right. facist HAS to have been elected with 6 unique people in a government. I take the last statement back
Only five actually. rayn was elected twice.
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kitaman27
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On November 09 2018 02:29 happykrogan wrote:@kita do you think it is more likely, that we have a hitler Conversion or a scum prplhz If Converison is hitler, why do you think this isn't true anymore? Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:On November 01 2018 00:12 Conversion wrote:On October 31 2018 10:01 Grackaroni wrote:On October 31 2018 10:00 Conversion wrote:On October 31 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote:On October 31 2018 09:42 Conversion wrote:
not really considering ur in it tbh. should have paid attention Because you didn't know he was in it or because you had forgotten it? I didn't look and thought we could have a nice game but forgot who he was. I voted no pass to this anyways, see you all in 21 hours Why did you vote no? Because the most chaotic way to play is to just topdeck after reaching 3 failed elections, and I will vote no to any government including myself being president lol Conversion is so crazy that he's probably not Hitler.
At the time I thought it was too crazy for a Hitler to be pushing, but at the moment I think it's the scenario that makes the most sense regardless.
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kitaman27
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On November 09 2018 06:08 prplhz wrote:
Is kita claiming scum?
Naw lol.
Just annoyed that Rels is going to make find a way to sabotage, it's going to be really obvious in hindsight, and we're going to have to sit through another 48 hours of this stuff.
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kitaman27
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On November 09 2018 06:13 happykrogan wrote:
I read Rels again - I still don't know why he initially scumread kita, but he probably just forgot to write it.
If he thinks I'm mafia, but doesn't bother to explain why, doesn't that earn him scum points, not town?
On November 09 2018 06:13 happykrogan wrote:
Also I'm not sure if a scum player would want to limit himself to a complete teamread, when they have a lot of votes left to win to get a chance of winning the game.
So I'm fine with voting Rels instead of Kita
Why are you applying this logic to Rels, but not me? I've been even more open attacking players whose votes I'd need if I were mafia.
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kitaman27
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On November 09 2018 06:39 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2018 06:35 kitaman27 wrote:On November 09 2018 06:13 happykrogan wrote:
I read Rels again - I still don't know why he initially scumread kita, but he probably just forgot to write it.
If he thinks I'm mafia, but doesn't bother to explain why, doesn't that earn him scum points, not town?
On November 09 2018 06:13 happykrogan wrote:
Also I'm not sure if a scum player would want to limit himself to a complete teamread, when they have a lot of votes left to win to get a chance of winning the game.
So I'm fine with voting Rels instead of Kita Why are you applying this logic to Rels, but not me? I've been even more open attacking players whose votes I'd need if I were mafia. He thinks he has explained. He said that he thinks he has some posts in his filter so he probably forgot - I would prefer to wait until he answers but I don't think he is back until deadline.
But isn't it relevant that he never bothers to push the argument until the moment it's a Rels vs kita scenario on day four?
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kitaman27
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On November 09 2018 06:44 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2018 06:42 kitaman27 wrote:On November 09 2018 06:39 happykrogan wrote:On November 09 2018 06:35 kitaman27 wrote:On November 09 2018 06:13 happykrogan wrote:
I read Rels again - I still don't know why he initially scumread kita, but he probably just forgot to write it.
If he thinks I'm mafia, but doesn't bother to explain why, doesn't that earn him scum points, not town?
On November 09 2018 06:13 happykrogan wrote:
Also I'm not sure if a scum player would want to limit himself to a complete teamread, when they have a lot of votes left to win to get a chance of winning the game.
So I'm fine with voting Rels instead of Kita Why are you applying this logic to Rels, but not me? I've been even more open attacking players whose votes I'd need if I were mafia. He thinks he has explained. He said that he thinks he has some posts in his filter so he probably forgot - I would prefer to wait until he answers but I don't think he is back until deadline. But isn't it relevant that he never bothers to push the argument until the moment it's a Rels vs kita scenario on day four? Actually he has his periods of inactivity but when he was active, he referred to you as a scumread.
It's mostly a couple of one liners about me and prpl being together though after the day one events.
I really can't imagine a town Rels seeing prpl waffling around suggesting that I be elected because I'm "nice" with no other good reason and then deciding "Ah ha! I've find the scum duo".
Like how does that even make sense?
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kitaman27
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On November 09 2018 06:51 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2018 06:47 kitaman27 wrote:On November 09 2018 06:44 happykrogan wrote:On November 09 2018 06:42 kitaman27 wrote:On November 09 2018 06:39 happykrogan wrote:On November 09 2018 06:35 kitaman27 wrote:On November 09 2018 06:13 happykrogan wrote:
I read Rels again - I still don't know why he initially scumread kita, but he probably just forgot to write it.
If he thinks I'm mafia, but doesn't bother to explain why, doesn't that earn him scum points, not town?
On November 09 2018 06:13 happykrogan wrote:
Also I'm not sure if a scum player would want to limit himself to a complete teamread, when they have a lot of votes left to win to get a chance of winning the game.
So I'm fine with voting Rels instead of Kita Why are you applying this logic to Rels, but not me? I've been even more open attacking players whose votes I'd need if I were mafia. He thinks he has explained. He said that he thinks he has some posts in his filter so he probably forgot - I would prefer to wait until he answers but I don't think he is back until deadline. But isn't it relevant that he never bothers to push the argument until the moment it's a Rels vs kita scenario on day four? Actually he has his periods of inactivity but when he was active, he referred to you as a scumread. It's mostly a couple of one liners about me and prpl being together though after the day one events. I really can't imagine a town Rels seeing prpl waffling around suggesting that I be elected because I'm "nice" with no other good reason and then deciding "Ah ha! I've find the scum duo". Like how does that even make sense? Didn't just everybody do that? You townread krogan all game, above Grackaroni, why did you choose Grackaroni now? I don't get why people townread Grackaroni for passing me 2L. I sort of understand his reasoning to do it (didn't want to risk a fascist policy if he could force a liberal), but that is no reason to town read him. It's more an excuse for not wanting to pass me 1L1F and get a better read on me on top of a liberal policy.
Grack voted no to his own presidency which I think looks pretty townie. I didn't really have a strong preference between grack and krogan to be honest.
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kitaman27
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On November 09 2018 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
kita what's the point of the "scumclaim" on last page?
joke post?
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kitaman27
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On November 09 2018 07:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Just like people joke posted to try to find other scum as hitler or? I dont really get joke posts like that in this game.
It was a call back to conversion not liking me because of my support of buckethead on d1, which was a callback to a random post like 2 years ago. Don't worry about it lol
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