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Holy shit haven't seen you in like 4 years! | ||
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On August 28 2018 06:37 Qatol wrote: /in o shit Better rename this game vet mafia lol | ||
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Ok I think the early Kaley votes were stupid, I'd say people who went after Koshi D1 look ok since scum don't usually like to shoot into someone they're trying to mislynch. I really really want to feel good about Qatol but its been so long since I've seen him play or read any games with him.. Depending on how much time I have to read today before the cycle ends I may end up picking a Koshi read and sheeping that. | ||
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On September 12 2018 01:18 KelsierSC wrote: You think the votes on the person who has flipped town were incorrect? wow you are some sort of mafia wizard. Oh lol I must have missed the night post when I was skimming. Give me one second, I have an idea. | ||
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Rels fits the profile for lurking scum for several reasons. Firstly he's active enough to avoid people hunting for inactives, secondly, he has a habit of calling lots of people town but in a very noncommittal manner. The biggest example of this is how he finds all three of Koshi, Sergio, and Rayn town: On September 08 2018 23:17 Rels wrote: Sergio is almost lock town for me rayn Koshi and KSC look town too I want to lynch Kaley This sticks out since all three were fighting with each other. Usually townies will get a gut feel that one guy is right shares that opinion but Rels is content to say "well they're all probably town." At the end of this post he also, without any real explanation, announces his intent to kill Kaley. It's not for another five hours until we get some reasoning and it's simply this: On September 09 2018 04:27 Rels wrote: During those 30 minutes I read the game. Sergio's angryness makes no sense as scum in my opinion. Kaley has chosen to play in a way that makes her very hard to read. Fair enough. But when pushed for it, she doubled down and did it more strongly. I can see this strategy coming more from scum (kinda like "they wouldn't believe scum would continue roleplaying in my position"). Could also come from stubborn town but for now she's the more likely to flip scum. His reasoning for lynching Kaley is that he/she was hard to read? That's just lazy town play, not scumhunting. Killing someone for roleplaying is a super low percentage policy lynch move which is both apathetic and ineffective as it gives no real information. But it sure is an easy position for a scum to hop on and defend bc they wanted to "punish poor town play." But folks our goal is to catch mafia, not punish bad townplay. I'm also really not a fan of Rels' final post: On September 09 2018 04:28 Rels wrote: rayn not interacting with me feels weird Why is it weird Rels? I fucking hate when players do this 'soft pressure' bullshit or whatever. Why is it weird? What were you expecting? Does this mean rayn is scum? All these questions would help substantiate this post if Rels was town, instead it feels like scum trying to signpost in case the town turns on rayn and Rels want credibility to jump on the bandwagon. Rels hasn't been active in three days and while I obviously am not someone who should be talking about activity (Sorry Kita!), it is still worth noting that mafia don't need a thread presence right now since town has been fairly good at killing themselves. Rels took a safe vote on a lynch gathering steam for incredibly weak reasons, does not provide concrete opinions on conflicts within the thread, instead preferring to hand wave them away as all likely town, and has made little marker posts which I usually associate with scum. Gonna go vote now ##Vote: Rels | ||
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I really think we should be focusing on Rels, I didn't really like any of his activity today. I have some other dumb speculative reasons but I'll type out a longer post tomorrow. I had a 13 hour flying day today so I need to go to bed. | ||
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Kelsier Scum: Town: NA Meapak Scum: Rels Town: prplhz Rels Scum: qatol Town: Sergio rayn kelsier vivax Qatol Scum: vivax kelsier? Town: NA Rayn Scum: kelsier Town: Sergio Qatol vivax? Prplhz Sergio Scum: vivax Town: NA Vivax Scum: Qatol? Town: Sergio MZ Prplhz Scum: Qatol Town: NA Firstly, if you disagree with how I’ve classified your reads please let me know, it’s always good to nail down people on what they’re thinking. Secondly, a few things jump out at me. Rels has called a lot of people town and only has one scum read, Qatol, who half the remaining players have as scum so it’s a very safe read. I’m pretty certain Rels is scum at this point when pared with the other analysis I did. Another person who jumps out is Rayn. Along with Rels, he’s got a lot of town reads and more importantly they share Sergio as a town read. Sergio has been fantastically useless, has asked a loooot of filler questions, and has only one claim to fame which is a scum read on vivax. Rayn has Kelsier as a scum read but hasn’t really done much to push that. Vivax is also worth noting because he has the easy scumread on qatol but also has a townread on Sergio as well. So after looking at all this, what I’m left with is Rels: 100% scum. Sergio: 90% scum, Rayn: 70% Vivax: 50% (only scum if one of the other 3 is somehow town). As a quick explanation for my thought process, what I look for right now are people pushing easy reads as scum, and people who are quick to call many people town. Scum push easy reads so they can blend in, which is why I'm not a huge fan of the Qatol votes, regardless of the validity of the case, if a lot of people are doing it you can be sure there are a few scum trying to slip under the radar. This is a nail in the coffin for Rels. Rayn has called a lot of people town, but most importantly Sergio who has done nothing to warrant this. | ||
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On September 13 2018 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am going to tell you a secret. Mafia never writes this: + Show Spoiler + On September 12 2018 00:54 Vivax wrote: It's also been a while since HF got killed N1 simply cause HF is a player everyone who knows him is always paranoid about and he becomes a potential mislynch as the game goes on. So a Qatol made decision would fit here, simply cause he doesn't know enough about HF. can you understand why? Damdred over Rels simply because there were votes on Damdred and no votes on Rels. I think Rels' "blue hunt case" is another ridiculous one because why would anyone as mafia ever kill someone, then say the kill was because of them being obvious blue, and then openly admit they figured out they are blue. Like yeah.... that's not how mafia operates. Hmmm Damdred had 1 vote and Rels had 1 vote | ||
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On September 13 2018 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: While i did not know you were voting for Rels (i literally didn't have time on phone) that's not true. I mean it was in the voting thread, surely you would have been able to read the thread on your phone before you voted. On September 12 2018 00:45 Vivax wrote: ##Vote Damdred On September 12 2018 02:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: ##Vote: Rels On September 12 2018 06:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##vote Damdred Vivax was the first vote on damdred, I voted for rels 2 hours later, you were the second vote on damdred almost 5 hours after I had voted. On September 12 2018 06:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: I can vote for damdred, or rels. I wont be voting for vivax or qatol. Unless kelsier is happening, which doesnt seem likely rn. I hate to play when i dont have enough time.  I was the only reason rels was brought up at this point so clearly you had seen my analysis and it kinda calls into question why you'd say something like While i did not know you were voting for Rels The timestamps are not lining up for your story, and actually going back through your filter to that time again reminded me of this post right here On September 12 2018 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rels had the dumb "rayn not interacting with me" post which doesnt make any sense since every read he made was exactly what my reads were at the time -- so why should i interact woth him when he is voting for who i want to lynch and he 100% agrees with my reads? I didn't like rels for that post but now I'm starting to wonder if it wasn't an attempt to distance himself from you if you two are scum together. The fact is, your timeline doesn't line up. You were a crucial vote on damdred, and now it seems like you're lying about why you picked damdred over rels. | ||
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On September 13 2018 06:30 Qatol wrote: I don't have a scumread on kelsier. I do have one on prplhz. I'm also willing to vote Rels in lylo. I'm not going to provide my townreads unless they are under serious pressure, because I think it just hands the mafia information about the consensus most trusted players. I don't want town reads lol, that was part of the point of this post, I want scum reads. | ||
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Damdred over Rels simply because there were votes on Damdred and no votes on Rels. Vivax's case against rels was pretty bad, so post hoc rayn doesn't try to justify his vote except by saying there were no other options. This is where I think he is lying. It's hard for me to believe that he came into the thread 4 hours after I posted my rels analysis and say he never saw it and then bring up rels as a lynch option when he had previously not even mentioned rels. Furthermore, when he went into the voting thread, my vote was literally 4 posts above his. I find it incredibly improbable for him to have gone into the voting thread and have missed the D2 vote count thread which should vivax on damdred and me on rels. Actually the more I think about this the more convinced I am rayn is trying to cover his ass. | ||
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On September 13 2018 06:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: I ma sorry i missed your vote 4 hours before mine in a hurry. You however missed this: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/jov8M3G.jpg) ???????????????????? for real? On September 12 2018 03:23 kitaman27 wrote: Day 2 Vote Count Vivax [1]: Qatol Qatol [1]: prplhz KelsierSC [1]: raynpelikoneet Damdred [1]: Vivax Rels [1]: Meapak_Ziphh Sergiovan [0]: Not Voting [5]: Rels, RebirthOfLeGendD, Sergiovan, Damdred, KelsierSC Vivax is currently the lynch. The deadline is Tuesday, Sep 11 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in . If there is an error in the vote count, which there probably is, let me know. This was two posts above yours. | ||
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On September 13 2018 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: says the guy who missed purplehaze's vote directly above mine. This really doesn't change the fact that rels had votes on him. And it doesn't stop that voting for someone just because they already have votes on them is an absolutely terrible strategy. If you actually thought rels was scum, as you seem to say now, then why didn't you vote for him? It seems like you just went for the expedient lynch and are now backpedaling. | ||
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On September 13 2018 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: fun fact, i do not read the voting thread. i go there to vote. i have absolutely no reason to even lie about this if i was mafia, because it is true. i have always criticised voting threads because they are useless, they are only to help the host and make it harder for players (when people vote in thread and not in voting thread or vice versa). so yeah, i do not read the voting thread. you can think i am mafia for that, idgaf. you seem to be reading the voting thread so why did you miss the vote directly above mine, and even made a case on me based on that? My case on you is based on several other things I've already outlined. I'm zeroing in on this because it's your defense for your damdred vote. You voted for him bc you claim nobody was voting rels. I've already gone over why I think this is bs. I don't buy the lazy townie defense since you've been engaged this whole game. Here's what I think happened. You avoided rels and went for damdred, then you tried to explain away the damdred vote as the only one that was viable. And you're also hell bent on calling vivax confirmed town which smells since it was him who started the damdred lynch in the first place. | ||
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On September 13 2018 06:53 Qatol wrote: rayn and meapak, I think you've reached the point of diminishing returns. Is either of you seriously pushing for the other as the lynch target for day 3 anyways? Remember, we have to coordinate our votes or the town loses. On a side note, rayn, could you please call him prplhz and not purplehaze? It's hard to search your filter for your posts on him. Who's the scum team Qatol? If it's not Rels/Rayn/Sergio(vivax) then who have you got? I would actually be pretty comfortable lynching rayn at this point but I think rels is a much better option. | ||
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On September 13 2018 07:05 Qatol wrote: I like prplhz for mafia. Your case on rels makes sense to me. I'm honestly not sure about the third one; this is where I had vivax. I think they have someone who noticed Koshi blueslipping, so it would have to be someone relatively perceptive. Rayn meets that criteria (and honestly, I think the town has already lost if rayn is red). prplhz is my one town read simply because I've mislynched him for play exactly like this before. Of everyone in this game, he's probably the only person I feel comfortable making a meta read on even after a few years off. I honestly could see vivax as scum too if sergio is actually innocent. It would make the whole damdred lynch make more sense. Of course it will be interesting to see if anyone else claims RB tonight. What I would like to do going forwards is lynch Rels tomorrow, lynch rayn d4, and then if nobody has claimed to be rb'd lynch vivax d5. If someone does claim to be rb'd we lynch sergio. | ||
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On September 13 2018 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: #vote KelsierSC This is absolutely terrible lmao Also I have been roleblocked. | ||
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On September 13 2018 08:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: very good now explain why my vote is terrible? It's very simple. This is lylo. If you are town then you'd be wanting to lynch the person who has the highest probability of being scum. You clearly aren't all that sold on Kels day 2 since you voted damdred at the end of the day. You already have said you think rels is scum who was, from what you've said, a coin flip in your mind with damdred. Why at lylo would you now swing back to kels who you didn't even stick with him D2? If the only thing keeping you from voting rels yesterday was a lack of votes, a townie would be jumping for joy that their second highest scum read was getting attention. Instead you're off with the distract game with Kels. Look if by some miracle you are town, just vote Rels so we don't lose today. | ||
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On September 13 2018 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like you cant fucking understand anything. No I can understand scum motivated play very well. And your frustration with me is making me pretty confident I've got at least 2/3 scum nailed down. I'm not even trying to get you lynched yet and you're going bonkers. Again, you haven't approached any of the last 5/10 pages of conversation with a town oriented mindset. Townies vote for their reads, scum vote for the sake of lynches. Townies understand lylo and the need to lynch highest probability of scum, scum are looking for one last mislynch. On September 13 2018 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Or you are mafia. idgaf. But i can make you not win regardless. I think we're done here lol, the rest of the players can read the thread. | ||
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On September 13 2018 08:26 Qatol wrote: What "most reasonable points" against me? This is the type of post that gets everyone confused later (and mirrors the posts made about HF and Koshi, which lack real substance). Please point to a specific post if you're going to say this. Otherwise, it just turns into the same game of misguided telephone I've spent most of the game trying to defuse. Are you talking about post 333? As far as your Rels read goes, as I stated before, I'm inclined to agree. Ah yes, this one right here: On September 12 2018 00:54 Vivax wrote: Qatol so far feels like he's furthering scum agenda and both NKs point heavily towards him. Koshi loved me for pointing out that I didn't like the way he was going after kaley, and HF also was rather sure he was mafia. Both died, and Qatols followup is to try and get a lynch on me going regardless. From a strategic perspective, both NKs are bad for me, he doesn't take that into account. It's also been a while since HF got killed N1 simply cause HF is a player everyone who knows him is always paranoid about and he becomes a potential mislynch as the game goes on. So a Qatol made decision would fit here, simply cause he doesn't know enough about HF. Additionally, his confidence feels fake to me so far. I haven't been able to be confident about my reads and straightforward about what I want to do not cause I am mafia, but cause we had a lot of inactives for most of the game and that tells me that I have to be careful about whom I accuse since I can never exclude that mafia simply didn't post. It feels wrong to me to just look at the actives and find reasons to scumread them under these circumstances. But Qatol doesn't. Day 1 he easily finds reasons to vote off kaley, and D2 he easily sees it as an easy reason to go after me that I display this type of hesitance. But as an active poster, I don't believe Qatol takes priority before Damdred, even though I see him working against me until the point he is lynched, should he not decide to let his scumread fall (which isn't implying that it would be a reason for me to retract my own read on him). I'm nowhere near sold on you being scum but this post did have more substance than most of the other people I've seen call you scum. To be honest your defensiveness over me even bringing it up does kinda give me pause since I've been very clearly about who I want dead over the next two days but we'll cross that bridge when we get there. Right now focus needs to be on rels/rayn. | ||
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On September 13 2018 08:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: as per your case, now tell me ffs, because everything i do is just designed to make me look worse. Do you even know why people do the things they do as mafia? Or are you just spouting random fucking shit? Like why the fuck do i do what i did and then kill Vivax who doesnt even think i am mafia, do you think that increases my winning chances? Like wtf? My dude, a) this is WIFOM b) I am pretty confident you're mafia at this point, I'm obviously not going to be able to get you to admit that in thread. On the offchance you're town, vote rels so that we can have another day of play. And I'm sorry if anything I said came off as personal, I'm really not trying to piss people off, just calling things as I see it. I'll go ahead and step away from the thread to let other people look things over and give some opinions. | ||
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On September 13 2018 08:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: whatever you are not getting majority on rels unless it is mafia, so take that into account, 100% truth. There are still 8 people left my dude... | ||
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On September 13 2018 08:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am sorry but what are you guys smoking? I am literally voting for someone i have pegged as mafia and i am being called out for it (regardless of my reasoning), just if i do vote for them, or if i dont. I think Kelsier is mafia. For Meapak i am mafia because i did not stick with my vote on Kelsier (which i gave reasoning for), and now i am mafia because i am voting for Kelsier (so i am sticking with it). Why am i annoyed? Hmm.. idk, you fucking figure... For people who aren't rayn, here's the difference. D2, there was almost no consolidation, if rayn had felt this strongly Kelsier was scum, a townie could have put in the effort to try and make a Kelsier lynch happen, the stakes were also lower as it was not lylo, and there was less information to make a decision. Instead rayn switched to damdred (thus indicating he thinks damdred is scummier) but also names rels as someone he'd vote for (thus suggesting rels is scummier as well). D3, we're at lylo, we already know rayn thinks rels is as scummy as damdred (who he voted for over kelsier) but instead of voting for rels (who he indicated he would have voted for if others wanted to) he goes back to kelsier. The issue is the prioritization is wrong for a townie. He already indicated D2 he thought rels was scummier than Kelsier during the whole damdred lynch. Now that there are several people who also want to lynch rels, a townie would be happy to see their read is finally getting pushed. Instead we have this quasi meltdown over the kelsier vote which ends up sounding like cornered mafia. The logic between D2 and D3 does not add up. | ||
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On September 13 2018 23:42 prplhz wrote: It would just be easier if KelsierSC is scum than if Qatol is scum. I don't understand why Kelsier is doing the whole "whatever I give up" thing." I have never read that play as frustrated town. Basically his entire case on Qatol is based around the NKs which is honestly just speculation. I mean Vivax was most likely killed since he was essentially confirmed town. Vivax hadn't even pushed Qatol or been active in the two irl days prior to getting killed so I have a hard time believing this speculation that he was killed bc he was onto something big. Like read Vivax's filter, he does not come off as someone who is gunning to kill Qatol. If we're gonna speculate on the NKs I find it a much higher chance it was bc he was quasi confirmed due to the RB claim. I don't think Kelsier is scum bc it would be an odd play for rayn to be bussing him this hard at lylo but I just don't find the Qatol case convincing for a lylo lynch. | ||
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Well my bad rayn, guess I should have decided to go full sheep on vivax. I guess the team really was Kels/Qatol and then prplhz or RoL. No bad feelings Rayn. | ||
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I should have lynched rayn for the fit he pulled in the thread. Actually why did you that rayn? You could have quietly lynched rels with me and still won. Oh well, hurts to have 2/3 and just be off by the order you went in. | ||
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Thanks for hosting Kita, you my boy even 3 years later. I wish I had been able to be more active but I'm not sure that would have changed anything since I felt like I was either talking to Qatol or Rayn for most of the game. Guess having IRL jobs makes mafia a lot harder than it was in high school and college lol. It kinda sucks having this be my last game but idk if I'll ever be able to /in another game in good faith that I can provide good activity. Wp Rayn, I should have pushed for your scummy ass lolol. | ||
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