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On September 15 2018 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 05:50 Qatol wrote:On September 15 2018 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
can you still tell me which of Meapak's points on Rels were good Qatol? Two of them: 1. Meapak doesn't like that Rels decided that everyone in you, sergio, koshi, and kelsier were town, rather than backing one or two of you. I agree. It isn't how townies react to arguments. It's a way to avoid confrontation and keep yourself off the radar. 2. Meapak points out that Rels basically wants to lynch Kaley for playing in a way that is hard to read. I agree that this is about as flimsy of a reason as you can get to join a bandwagon. Rels doesn't even point out any arguments regarding Kaley that he thinks are persuasive. 1) If rels thinks all of us are town then he does. Does meapak have a reason to suggest that is bullshit? because i don't see one. Okay, i can relate this to you: have you wanted to lynch rayn, sergio, koshi, kelsier? I dont even care if you had called any of those people scum at any point of the game, have you TRIED TO LYNCH THEM? Also once again, people having more than 2-3 town reads is not uncommon, i am pretty sure i had more than 3 town reads after D1. 2) I originally (when i voted for Kaley) wanted to lynch him for the exact same reason. Why does mafia!Rels just not say "i am sheeping rayn" or some other shit like that, unless ofc he is mafia with me (but you are not suggesting that afaik). Maybe you can, but i can't see any argument why Kaley should NOT EVER be lynched in this game D1. I stand by it, however it might may me look, and i am pretty sure if you wanna play a decent game of mafia you don't wanna shit like that in your game, ever. period. note that this is not why i even decided to vote for Kaley, i was being understanding, and gave him chances, he didnt took them. so fuck him.
1. It isn't the number of town reads that bothers me. The uncommon thing is that they were all arguing with each other. I just don't see town!rels not taking sides on that kind of thing. That screams fear to me. Considering he hasn't even tried to contribute other than the case on me, that screams mafia.
2. No, I definitely think Kaley could have been lynched D1. Otherwise, I wouldn't have voted the way I did. However, that isn't the argument Rels made. His argument was "this is hard to read and I don't want to bother."
On September 15 2018 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
just read his case on me and tell me if you were me you would totally be on board with him...
I obviously don't agree with his case on you. But here's the big thing: that doesn't matter. It doesn't even matter how you view each other. What matters is the town is at lylo and needs a majority on a scum. That means the townies need to vote for the same person, even if they don't trust each other. You can accuse each other later.
Think of it this way: if the town gets a majority, this could be a way to force mafia!meapak to go along with it, making last second idiocy even less likely (because then he has to be at his computer right before the lynch to undo it). This doesn't mean you have to trust meapak. This is more about the town focusing on a single mafia member.
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On September 15 2018 06:13 Sergiovan wrote:
## Unvote
## Vote Rels
Qatol, Rayn and Prplhz follow me on this, we can lynch RoL tomorrow when we can get more people on him. A three man wagon is going to fail when scum all hammer vote at deadline we need to consolidate with the absent townies and that’s Kelsier and Meapak, Kelsier voting into Qatol so we have to follow Meapak.
I will switch to rels if rayn or prplhz does. If they say they aren't switching, I think our best chance is for meapak to show up and have him switch. Otherwise, you're just splitting the vote.
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On September 15 2018 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:so is anyone willing to join me? if not, be a fucking inactive or show balls and tell me why. thank you.
Because he isn't the best odds for scum. Because you're losing your temper in a way that clearly hurts the town. Calm down please.
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On September 15 2018 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 06:16 Qatol wrote:On September 15 2018 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2018 05:50 Qatol wrote:On September 15 2018 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
can you still tell me which of Meapak's points on Rels were good Qatol? Two of them: 1. Meapak doesn't like that Rels decided that everyone in you, sergio, koshi, and kelsier were town, rather than backing one or two of you. I agree. It isn't how townies react to arguments. It's a way to avoid confrontation and keep yourself off the radar. 2. Meapak points out that Rels basically wants to lynch Kaley for playing in a way that is hard to read. I agree that this is about as flimsy of a reason as you can get to join a bandwagon. Rels doesn't even point out any arguments regarding Kaley that he thinks are persuasive. 1) If rels thinks all of us are town then he does. Does meapak have a reason to suggest that is bullshit? because i don't see one. Okay, i can relate this to you: have you wanted to lynch rayn, sergio, koshi, kelsier? I dont even care if you had called any of those people scum at any point of the game, have you TRIED TO LYNCH THEM? Also once again, people having more than 2-3 town reads is not uncommon, i am pretty sure i had more than 3 town reads after D1. 2) I originally (when i voted for Kaley) wanted to lynch him for the exact same reason. Why does mafia!Rels just not say "i am sheeping rayn" or some other shit like that, unless ofc he is mafia with me (but you are not suggesting that afaik). Maybe you can, but i can't see any argument why Kaley should NOT EVER be lynched in this game D1. I stand by it, however it might may me look, and i am pretty sure if you wanna play a decent game of mafia you don't wanna shit like that in your game, ever. period. note that this is not why i even decided to vote for Kaley, i was being understanding, and gave him chances, he didnt took them. so fuck him. 1. It isn't the number of town reads that bothers me. The uncommon thing is that they were all arguing with each other. I just don't see town!rels not taking sides on that kind of thing. That screams fear to me. Considering he hasn't even tried to contribute other than the case on me, that screams mafia. 2. No, I definitely think Kaley could have been lynched D1. Otherwise, I wouldn't have voted the way I did. However, that isn't the argument Rels made. His argument was "this is hard to read and I don't want to bother." On September 15 2018 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
just read his case on me and tell me if you were me you would totally be on board with him... I obviously don't agree with his case on you. But here's the big thing: that doesn't matter. It doesn't even matter how you view each other. What matters is the town is at lylo and needs a majority on a scum. That means the townies need to vote for the same person, even if they don't trust each other. You can accuse each other later. Think of it this way: if the town gets a majority, this could be a way to force mafia!meapak to go along with it, making last second idiocy even less likely (because then he has to be at his computer right before the lynch to undo it). This doesn't mean you have to trust meapak. This is more about the town focusing on a single mafia member. I don't like two things. 1) we were not all arguing with each other. Actually almost all of us were (except for Kelsier) each other's town reads. Feel free to prove me wrong. 2) i do not like how you call out a lynch like you do here. You did it at the start of D3, saying basically my vote on kelsier is stupid because i cant get him lynched anyways (that is entirely wrong). we put a wagon on RoL, that IS doable, regardless of if it is a mafia or town endorsed wagon. Why are you against people voting?
1) Sergio vs. Koshi
+ Show Spoiler +On September 08 2018 13:45 Sergiovan wrote:
Koshi is sooooo scummy, am I totally pants-on-head retarded? I genuinely don’t understand how anyone can not be voting him right now, he says in post #99 that he has three town reads but he doesn’t ever reveal them, he isn’t contributing while spamming and pretending to have reads. Koshi = Scum.
Vivax in post #119 says he didn’t read Kayly’s post from which he read her as town. Highly suspicious if Kaley = town that Vivax = scum. Vivax has made a town read based on something he didn’t even read. If that ‘read’ is correct it seems like it comes from alignment knowledge.
I see that Kelsier has seen the same things in that post as I have. That makes Kelsier relatively townie irrespective of the alignments of Vivax and Kaley.
Holyflare appears either pants-on-head-useless or mafia. Over 24 hours into the game and he appears just to place an awful vote with literally no reason. Hf: do you genuinely believe that Kaley is scum, if so why?
People who know holyflare: is this behavior possible from a town HF? That is, is he bad enough to do nothing day one besides avoid a modkill but also be town aligned.
Rayn: calm down, no matter how you feel about Kaley’s RP your behavior is negatively effecting the town atmosphere. If you are town think about it and get better. If you are scum listen to me and do that right thing anyway so I don’t have to read your shit stirring before I lynch you.
If you are still present I would like to discuss Kaley and Koshi. Kaley is posting relatively coherently and has some reads in the thread which seem to indicate that she is involved in the thread as it progresses. Koshi is posting useless and meaningless trash. Explain your reads on both of them to me.
Kelsier vs. Koshi
+ Show Spoiler +On September 08 2018 22:39 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 21:30 Holyflare wrote:
I am town though. I don't think Kaley is mafia purely because they are just fighting back at Rayn being a dick. Sergio's posts look scummy because they are finding reasons out of nothing. Irrationally angry at me making one post that said nothing and laying out all the "options" seem feigned.
Will try and post more. Yeh I don't understand calling you "pants on head retarded" after you made one post about kaley's rhymes. @vivax Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 16:16 Vivax wrote:
I really don't like how I was talked into making my kaley read appear stronger than it was. It was a crappy feels-read coupled with the rayn vote which I would describe as ballsy. That said, it makes me feel entrapped that everyone is riding this train of thought that I'm mafia for that read after making me talk so much about it which really isn't something that felt that important to me.
That said, I was expecting more fleshed out "raps" afterwards or at least that kaley would start posting normally, and the latest one isn't very informative as Qatol points out above. So I don't see a reason to still mantain that read. I'll be waiting for more content before scumreading anyone however. at any time you could have said it was just a bad read based on nothing but you defended your read and acted that kaley was pushing rayn with a valid reason. Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 03:50 Vivax wrote:
I see no reason to think it should be fake? Rayn threatened to lynch her without really even trying to read into the post so that's a reason to vote off rayn from kaleys perspective. Honestly this weird thing where you have now come back and said it "wasnt a real read" and then Koshi saying Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 20:57 Koshi wrote:On September 08 2018 16:16 Vivax wrote:
I really don't like how I was talked into making my kaley read appear stronger than it was. It was a crappy feels-read coupled with the rayn vote which I would describe as ballsy. That said, it makes me feel entrapped that everyone is riding this train of thought that I'm mafia for that read after making me talk so much about it which really isn't something that felt that important to me.
That said, I was expecting more fleshed out "raps" afterwards or at least that kaley would start posting normally, and the latest one isn't very informative as Qatol points out above. So I don't see a reason to still mantain that read. I'll be waiting for more content before scumreading anyone however. Oh damn. He did what I thought town Vivax would do. I even remembered something in the shower I didn't like: On September 08 2018 01:31 Vivax wrote:
I think Sergio is overanalyzing early game stuff, but not in a necessarily scummy way, he may just be overeager townie. That makes me unable to agree with him on his points. I believe he shouldn't give so much weight to what Koshi did so far.
I think kaley is town. Btw I never was able to like rap/hip-hop. Hard for me to explain this read, mostly gut and that he's going after rayn of all people.
Not a big fan of a Qatols version as a summary is the best that anyone could have delivered on early game banter and I see the opportunity for mafia here to jump on a kaley lynch after rayn (if town) said he would p-lynch for the rap. I'll ultimately refrain from scumreading Qatol here as pushing arguments early here is a good thing for town and not necessary for mafia, but I don't agree with them. imho that line wasn't needed but now that I reread it isn't as bad as I thought. Anyway. Vivax tip top town just looks really weird and contrived between the two of you. I can't say you are both mafia but I think one of you definitely is.
Kelsier vs. Sergio
On September 08 2018 22:45 KelsierSC wrote:
I'd only lynch sergio or vivax today.
I think Koshi is very weird and gives me a bad feeling but not enough to lynch on.
There's about 5 people who haven't posted so no idea what's going to happen with that but everyone else I sort of have reasons not to lynch.
2) What happened on day 3 is different. Rels jumping on a bandwagon is not the same as arguing about whether we should start one. If your argument is so strong, why is prplhz the only one who joined you? We need to coordinate votes, not split them up. That means finding someone people can agree on as mafia. If you look back at the start of Day 3, both you and Meapak had rels on your scum lists. Meapak didn't have Kelsier on his. Please explain to me why it makes sense to lynch kelsier?
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On September 15 2018 06:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 06:27 Qatol wrote:On September 15 2018 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2018 06:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
## unvote
## vote kelsiersc so is anyone willing to join me? if not, be a fucking inactive or show balls and tell me why. thank you. Because he isn't the best odds for scum. Because you're losing your temper in a way that clearly hurts the town. Calm down please. Who is to say that? You? If i am completely honest i dont feel confident voting with you, which is why i dont find confident right now at all. I am 100% calm, me saying "fuck" or whatever words doesn't make me less competitive, ever. I am sorry though if it feels bad for someone. Why is Kelsier the best lynch, who is?
If you don't feel confident voting with me, lynch me and lose. That's literally your choice. There's really only 4 situations:
1) town!Qatol, town!Kelsier
You need a tiebreaker or 5 votes on someone who isn't me. In other words, you have to coordinate with me.
2) town!Qatol, mafia!Kelsier
You need 4 votes on someone who isn't me. If you don't want to vote with me, pray that I vote alone on someone who doesn't have the tiebreaker.
3) mafia!Qatol, town!Kelsier
I'm pretty sure you don't believe this one, but the answer is lynch me.
4) mafia!Qatol, mafia!Kelsier
Do you really think this makes sense either? You still need to collect 3 votes on someone, and you need to worry about Meapak, Sergio, Rels, and RoL voting on a townie or not voting at all.
Look, I am willing to coordinate votes with you, just not on Kelsier or Meapak. If you don't want to do that and you're town, it's game over. It's really that simple.
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On September 15 2018 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 06:55 Qatol wrote:On September 15 2018 06:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2018 06:27 Qatol wrote:On September 15 2018 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2018 06:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
## unvote
## vote kelsiersc so is anyone willing to join me? if not, be a fucking inactive or show balls and tell me why. thank you. Because he isn't the best odds for scum. Because you're losing your temper in a way that clearly hurts the town. Calm down please. Who is to say that? You? If i am completely honest i dont feel confident voting with you, which is why i dont find confident right now at all. I am 100% calm, me saying "fuck" or whatever words doesn't make me less competitive, ever. I am sorry though if it feels bad for someone. Why is Kelsier the best lynch, who is? If you don't feel confident voting with me, lynch me and lose. That's literally your choice. There's really only 4 situations: 1) town!Qatol, town!Kelsier You need a tiebreaker or 5 votes on someone who isn't me. In other words, you have to coordinate with me. 2) town!Qatol, mafia!Kelsier You need 4 votes on someone who isn't me. If you don't want to vote with me, pray that I vote alone on someone who doesn't have the tiebreaker. 3) mafia!Qatol, town!Kelsier I'm pretty sure you don't believe this one, but the answer is lynch me. 4) mafia!Qatol, mafia!Kelsier Do you really think this makes sense either? You still need to collect 3 votes on someone, and you need to worry about Meapak, Sergio, Rels, and RoL voting on a townie or not voting at all. Look, I am willing to coordinate votes with you, just not on Kelsier or Meapak. If you don't want to do that and you're town, it's game over. It's really that simple. idgaf if you are town because i am not sure, as i am with prplhz, i am voting with him. so you dont even need me in case we are both town. so whatever, i dont care about this game anyways, it was never winnable in the first place.
Actually, I do need you if you and prplhz are both town. Unless you think the mafia is going to be unable to force a scum lynch when the town majority is 3.
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For crying out loud, you do realize that unless RoL is mafia you need 4 votes and a tiebreaker to not get lynched yourself, right? You have more people on your scumlist than there are scum in this game. This is just crazy. I feel like I'm talking to a wall.
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On September 15 2018 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 07:02 Qatol wrote:
For crying out loud, you do realize that unless RoL is mafia you need 4 votes and a tiebreaker to not get lynched yourself, right? You have more people on your scumlist than there are scum in this game. This is just crazy. I feel like I'm talking to a wall. that's not true, and i don't care if i am lynched, i just care about if i was right or not.
Then who is your scumlist? Kelsier, RoL, some combination of me/meapak/rels?
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On September 15 2018 07:06 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 01:51 Qatol wrote:
Okay, I am back, and am incredibly disappointed with what I'm seeing (i.e., no real focus). Let me make this simple, because the town really only has 3 options:
1) Support Meapak's read of Rels
2) Convince Meapak and every other townie to vote for someone else
3) Vote for me
Considering the level of activity in the thread, #2 is extremely unlikely. Here's something else that should help on this point: I won't support a lynch of rayn. His actions on day 3 don't make sense for mafia. I'll explain more in a follow-up post in a moment.
As far as #3 goes, if you honestly believe the arguments being made, then, by all means vote me. But, I cannot emphasize this enough, read the arguments. Don't just focus on the fact that so-and-so "accused me." This is lazy, bad play. If, after reading everything, you still feel like I'm mafia (and then you probably need to reevaluate how you read people after the game), then, by all means. At least you approached things with the right mindset, even if you reached the wrong conclusion. Anything less is giving the game to the mafia.
Hopefully you will rule out #3 as an option as well. That means the town's only chance is a vote for Rels. I hate how lectury you've been all game. Reeks of scum. Qatol / MZ / ???
I wouldn't be if people would read or realize some of this stuff on their own. Instead, if you haven't noticed, even despite this post, we have a completely split up vote.
And why does it reek of scum? Please share. Is anything there wrong? Is anything there anti-town?
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Okay, I have switched my vote back to rels. I think Meapak and Sergio are both town and both inactive. I still believe rels is mafia. As a result, there really is only 1 move.
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And by inactive, I mean will not be showing up again for the remainder of the vote.
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On September 15 2018 07:43 Rels wrote:
Qatol / KSC / MZ
kinda weird given KSC's attack on Qatol at some point. But possible
And there's the nail in the coffin. This is incredibly unlikely. And you just talked about how suspicious you were about RoL. Thanks for making me feel better about my vote.
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On September 15 2018 07:50 Rels wrote:
it's incredible how everything you write is so obviously following a certain plan yet nobody seems to remark it. Except Koshi at some point
Koshi said I'm too friendly and deconstructed one of my posts. That's it. At least get your story straight if you're going to make comments like this.
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On September 15 2018 07:53 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 07:51 Qatol wrote:On September 15 2018 07:50 Rels wrote:
it's incredible how everything you write is so obviously following a certain plan yet nobody seems to remark it. Except Koshi at some point Koshi said I'm too friendly and deconstructed one of my posts. That's it. At least get your story straight if you're going to make comments like this. haha how can anyone else not see how suspicious these side remarks are is beyond me
Because you're pushing a tired, misleading narrative that has been pushed at least since the beginning of day 2?
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On September 15 2018 14:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
huh
Well my bad rayn, guess I should have decided to go full sheep on vivax.
I guess the team really was Kels/Qatol and then prplhz or RoL. No bad feelings Rayn.
Not quite. I'm clearly pretty bad at this.  It's probably something like Kelsier/RoL and then prplhz or Sergio. I even knew something was probably up when RoL sheeped me onto Rels; I just questioned whether I was wrong for too long. Sorry for not following your read, rayn.
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On September 16 2018 09:10 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2018 01:08 Qatol wrote:On September 15 2018 14:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
huh
Well my bad rayn, guess I should have decided to go full sheep on vivax.
I guess the team really was Kels/Qatol and then prplhz or RoL. No bad feelings Rayn. Not quite. I'm clearly pretty bad at this. It's probably something like Kelsier/RoL and then prplhz or Sergio. I even knew something was probably up when RoL sheeped me onto Rels; I just questioned whether I was wrong for too long. Sorry for not following your read, rayn. yeah. Sorry for inactivty. I assume you are the one that prompted Ver to text me? I straight up didn't know the game was going on most of the time. When I showed up town was kind of already in shambles. Day 3 the two main people up weren't even mafia.
Yeah, I thought he might get your attention. My read on rayn was flat out wrong (well done rayn), and I spent way too much time defending myself instead of scumhunting. I'm glad to hear my read on Kelsier was right at least.
It is super disappointing that pretty much every single townie in the game suspected me so heavily (which I'll admit was almost certainly my fault). I'm still not even sure what I did wrong on that front. If anyone has a guess, please tell me; I would honestly like to know.
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On September 16 2018 09:53 Sergiovan wrote:
GG guys!
This game was a real pleasure for me, I haven’t played Mafia in about five years as I said before the start of the game and getting to play with TL veterans like Qatol and RoL who I had never never had the chance to play with before.
I was looking forward to Scum hunting but it was quite fun to just shit things up with Rayn instead.
A few thoughts: above all I’m sad that’s TL has devolved so far that having four AFKs in a mini is possible. I never loved the 30 player games but I’m glad they were an option and our minis used to have so many people ready to replace in, what happened?
I don’t know if anyone noticed but I bread crumbed DT d1 as well as checks on Koshi n1 and Qatol n2 I was saving that to create a big WIFOM mess if and when I was lynched. That ‘check’ is also why I had a hard town read on Qatol d3 that inexplicably I was never questioned on.
I still do not understand the d1 Kaley lynch. Can anyone explain why they thought that was a good idea? She was actively participating in the game and had reads (admittedly bad ones with bad reasoning but she was playing and looked pretty townie I thought)
The d2 lynch was equally disorganized and ended up as poorly as d1. Damdred looked like a fine lynch to me but the town needed to organize better around making us actually commit to something. There was never a lynch where we felt pressure as to where to put our votes. The inactive players really screwed town over here by allowing the scum team to be everywhere.
D3 Rayn and I really took control of the thread and I feel bad for Qatol trying to figure out what was happening while Rayn and I created a mess in his head. I quite enjoyed our play towards RoL just in case our night kill didn’t go through for some reason.
N3 we shot Prplhz and roleblocked him to ensure if he was vet he couldn’t keep himself alive. None of town had hard town reads on him so I figured if there was a doc we would be safe with our shot on Prplhz.
Koshi: I mentioned this in the mafia qt but your vigi shot was very poor, in a game like this you needed to vig an inactive. I’m told Holyflare is now quite good as town so bogging him night one is a high risk low reward play.
Qatol: I really enjoyed playing with you, you were clearly trying to figure things out to the very end. You were excellent.
Kita has been trying to figure out the name I played under in the past on TL. I welcome you all to join in that particular game, I’m happy to answer questions.
Thanks! I enjoyed playing with you too, even if I was obviously absolutely outplayed.
Why did you shoot Koshi n1?
At least for me, the d1 Kaley lynch was that she refused to explain anything. She accused rayn and me and didn't explain why, even after being pressed repeatedly. Instead, she insisted on doing that rapping and summary stuff and then devolved into a flamewar with rayn. I didn't see it helping the town and I felt like it was hurting the atmosphere. I'll admit that some of it was also the flamewar, which I saw Kaley as starting. I'm very uncomfortable when the thread gets like that. I really do think it's extremely sad that being nice is a reason to scumread someone.
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On September 16 2018 14:45 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2018 09:53 Sergiovan wrote:
Kita has been trying to figure out the name I played under in the past on TL. I welcome you all to join in that particular game, I’m happy to answer questions. I shall succeed......eventually. I'll guess Promethelax. Show nested quote +On September 16 2018 09:42 Qatol wrote:
It is super disappointing that pretty much every single townie in the game suspected me so heavily (which I'll admit was almost certainly my fault). I'm still not even sure what I did wrong on that front. I think most players should have had a solid town read on you by day three considering your clear efforts to coordinate the town votes. I noticed that you tend to ask a lot of questions in your posts, which is fine to drive discussion especially in a low activity game, but I think there were cases where your questions may have put certain townies on the defensive. When players are put in a position to explain themselves it has the potential to rub them the wrong way and make them feel threatened if they feel that you're misrepresenting them. Perhaps posts like these could have benefited from a more neutral line of questioning or better suited as a conclusion to share with the rest of the thread instead of further questioning. + Show Spoiler +On September 11 2018 03:13 Qatol wrote:
So you asked me to do that post just for giggles? Why ask for a post and then not discuss anything in it other than its length? On September 11 2018 23:41 Qatol wrote:
What the heck is this? This looks like you restated post #286, except you don't identify the posts where Koshi hinted he had a role (posts 76, 246, and 252).
Why is HolyFlare a good N1 medic target? Koshi was sumreading HF really hard. In fact, Koshi thought HF was scummy enough to use a vigi shot on him. Shouldn't that mean "do not shoot HF at all costs?" On September 12 2018 07:50 Qatol wrote:
Or because I was reading the thread? I still don't see how you don't see it. This isn't rocket science. On a separate topic, there were a bunch of people that weren't aware the game had started and ended up missing day one completely. I know signups tend to drag on recently, but people really need to get into the habit of checking the thread every couple of days after they sign up. I probably should have sent out confirmation PMs first, but with signups taking two and a half weeks I was afraid that the game would fall apart if we waited any longer to start. As far as activity, I don't think a 50 page game is really a problem as long as everyone is reading the thread a couple times a cycle, but there were a few players who didn't really meet the bare minimum effort. I know it's sometimes unavoidable when real life kicks in, but hopefully people can make sure it doesn't become a habit when they sign up. I think rayn had a really strong game pushing the mafia agenda while looking townie in the process. The fact that several townies are apologizing to rayn after a mislynch says a lot. The interaction with Meapak seemed a bit overboard and the name calling isn't really necessary, but otherwise the play was really solid. Town was so spread out with their votes that mafia could really easily pick whatever inactives they wanted for the lynch. Serg played a nice side kick role by never really saying anything that would draw attention to him, but still doing enough to split the thread and distance himself from his buddies. I think the only way he ever would have been nailed was by process of elimination. There was one point where I thought mafia might be starting to throw where the idea of a RoL lynch was suggested, but you guys quickly recovered after that. Serg disappearing from the thread afterwards was especially nice since it limited town's options by having them think that your vote was locked in.
Understood. Thanks for pointing that out. I definitely lost my composure at various times, especially during day 2. It felt like people weren't reading what I was writing and/or causing me to spend a lot of time writing for no reason and I let it get to me. I apologized to Kelsier right after that (and I meant it), but I also want to apologize to rels and prplhz. I shouldn't have acted like that. If there's anyone else I missed, I apologize to you as well.
The game would have taken absolutely forever to get started if you tried to wait for confirmation PMs. My only advice on that front is I wouldn't have started the game on a Thursday night/Friday morning (depending on time zones). Notice that everyone except RoL showed up the following Monday.
I agree; rayn played great, but I wasn't a fan of the name calling either. This might just be a conflict of cultures though; I'm not used to people posting like that in mafia threads. Back when I played actively, the hosts were pretty strict on that kind of thing, so the argument between rayn and Kaley was a bit of a shock. I'm not sure I would have been as engaged in the game if Kaley hadn't been lynched, stopping that argument. However, to rayn's credit, posting like that did make me not want to take a position against him pretty much ever.
Sergio did a good job too, though I think we probably would have caught him eventually through process of elimination. He was on a couple of lists for exactly that reason. I didn't catch his DT breadcrumbs, but that's partially because I never really believed there would be anything other than a veteran (who, ironically, I thought would be rayn because he didn't seem worried about dying at night) after we had a vigi flip night 1. Too few players for a medic or especially for a DT. You're absolutely right about him disappearing when he did being a stroke of genius. As far as I was concerned, as soon as he disappeared, the votes were locked in. It didn't hurt that Meapak actually disappeared to give further weight to that.
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On September 17 2018 03:48 Holyflare wrote:
Kaley is a new person. I also agree with them but take note that they also contributed heavily to the toxicity on day 1.
I would have loved to play in this game but would have probably tried to lynch Qatol day 2.
The reason I, and likely many others, scum read you is because you made too many assumptions that to me looked like TMI. When prplhz asked why Koshi was shot and you said it was obviously because he was blue and here were his crumbs it looked really off. The same with how you treated the damdred lynch, providing no proper case or alternative and then berating (not negatively) for an afk lynch.
I think that's a fault on my part mostly though because if I thought a little deeper Koshi wasn't shot because he was obviously blue. I figured that out after the Vivax rb claim and death (which I also thought made Vivax mafia). The fact they didn't rb Koshi meant he was just a kill like any other. Since he wasn't playing great at all then it was far more likely to be a rayn night kill or possibly rels/kelsier than any other.
Thanks! I'll keep this in mind if I ever find the time to play again.
One thing to point out: if they read Koshi as specifically vigi, the correct move is not to rb him because it was pretty clear you were his #1 scum read. Letting the vigi hit through on a townie speeds up lylo by one day, unless a night hit gets blocked.
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