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well, my bad. not much else I can comment there.
I truly recalled that being associated outside conversion.
Please dont ignore me. Now we are both town in each others eyes, we can at least communicate effectively.
I will commit to reading more.
My early thoughts are that the Vivax NK is a similar 2-for-1 selection like with Superbia last game.
(A) Vivax is medic dodge
(B) Vivax may have been on the right track
I have dived his filter and still forming a conclusion, but this post is sticking out to me.
I am not entirely sure where Conversion fits, but I can totally see Rayn/CC being the same alignment.
And in a lot of ways this pairing makes sense to me, even though I have advocated majority of game has been town dominated. It makes sense because without a supporting filter-dive, my recollection of CC is a focus purely on Calix and Rayn. Not much further. And I can't get past Rayn chucking the shits at the hydra.
On June 27 2018 01:29 Vivax wrote:
Conversion seems to be super hedgy this game. Several instances of CC suspicion but he isn't doing much with it. On June 28 2018 23:58 Vivax wrote:
I can also see a conversion cop mocsta world btw. Where if it isn't mocsta it's rayn.
This is why it's super annoying to play mafia with couples, especially when at least one of them takes it to the personal level.
Short story is, i can swing a vote to Rayn, but then i wont be motivated to re-read the game.
So thats it, im going to spend the nexst 24-36hrs reading the game and not posting. Hoepfully this will do you all a service from me.
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On June 29 2018 09:39 CopCake wrote:
Yeah, mafia never kills to frame 🙄 What a waste of a post.
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On June 26 2018 11:38 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 11:34 Mocsta wrote:On June 26 2018 11:25 CopCake wrote:On June 26 2018 11:21 Mocsta wrote:On June 26 2018 10:58 CopCake wrote:
Am I town or am I mafia rayn? This question caught me off guard. If anything, I was anticipating CopCake to declare Rayn: town or mafia. Clearly, the "early game' scum reads struck a chord with CopCake enough to contribute his/her independent thought process of those reads (e.g. Tictock). At minimum, I was expecting that thought process to follow through to the initiator. Therefore, I find this exchange odd. Yes its a dead question - which obviously town can ask. But i find it odd, because its a dead question to someone that I thought woudl be on CopCake radar. Lol, the question is to make a better read on rayn.@Regfan that question is too early to ask since not everyone has posted but I would shot HF as mafia. I dont get his tt reasons. i dont understand how it leads to anything. If rayn calls you town, as either alignment, you will walk away feeling good about yaself. If rayn calls yo mafia, as either alignment, you will walk away with a sense of OMGUS. Dead question. Having said that, I do share suspicion towards Holyflare. Not enough to lean scum, but enough to pay extra attention to new content. Whether you agreed or not, at least to me, superfically, the Tictock stuff is fine. On the otherhand, whilst the strikethrough is more likely to be mafia than town in origin, its not conclusive and I find to be overly hammed up by HF. My expectation for a town!HF is for him to do his own campaigning. If he does this, even if its against me. I shall call him town. We will have to wait and see. We are like Tina and Lex LOL. i read this on D1 as CC was mindmelding with me.. fark, what a misread.
Had to share lol
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im on fuckn p8
im not going to waste my time reading this shit coming up on a weekend, if you are just going to throw away everyone from d1 and call me mafia for fuckn stupid non-alignment indicative reasons.
i have made up my mind
##Vote: conversion
See you at deadilne.
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Prob a waste of time, since no1 cares
but i cant see CC as scum from the first 4 pages. I just cant.
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On June 29 2018 11:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2018 11:41 Mocsta wrote:
im on fuckn p8
im not going to waste my time reading this shit coming up on a weekend, if you are just going to throw away everyone from d1 and call me mafia for fuckn stupid non-alignment indicative reasons.
i have made up my mind
##Vote: conversion
See you at deadilne. Noone is going to lynch you today most likely. Unless you decide to go all emo over nothing and possibly throw away your vote like 5 minutes into D2. Its not the point.
like ppl are already iffy about me because they expect me to do things I simply don't do.
Some ppl are good at deductive logic and others at inductive.
im the former but TL is jam packed with deductive types.
im just stating mi not going to invest literally 12hrs of my life to read something and then get lynched later.
waste of time.
conversion to me has been blending in all game and skating the line of active enough to not be forgotten, and not pissing one off. Hes doing it really well actually.
Thats enough for my vote regardless of filter dive and/or thread catch up.
peace.
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and if you must know
i did want to lynch calix, i really thought it was a kitaman thing all over again.
everyone shit on my calix points, in particular regfan whom input i valued.
since then i have treated calix as town.
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On June 29 2018 11:54 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2018 11:52 Mocsta wrote:
and if you must know
i did want to lynch calix, i really thought it was a kitaman thing all over again.
everyone shit on my calix points, in particular regfan whom input i valued.
since then i have treated calix as town. Nope, you changed your mind like in 3 minutes on the end of the day when she was leading. This is false, stop being a fangrl
I was here 1hr before deadline. thats guaranteed cos i start work 1hr before deadline.
You dont get to stand on your soapbox and tell me what i was thinking.
it took me a lot of effort to write those calix posts so fuck off.
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Anyways, if conversion is mafia, i can see it being with vivax or calix.
Obviously vivax is town, which means calix is definitely a possible ally
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you're a really dumb bitch and cherry pick what you want to believe
go fuck off and read some posts before that.
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On June 27 2018 20:54 Regfan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 08:15 Mocsta wrote:##Vote: Calix+ Show Spoiler [quotes] +On June 26 2018 08:06 Calix wrote:
Sup, long time no see. Fancy randomly bandwagoning some AFK person for the lulz? On June 26 2018 08:14 Tictock wrote:
On second thought, lets vote Regfan, purely for having an obscene prepared post, that I will prob never read. On June 26 2018 08:15 Calix wrote:
It was clearly written before he received his role because if he was an investigative role, he (or she, since this is Gemma?) would know that Cops on this site don't get N0 checks.
Thus it's not AI.
I would like to know more about the two players in the hydra though. How many games have they played, where are they from, stuff like that. On June 26 2018 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Calix literally didn't take a stance on anything since the conclusion says "not alignment indicative". Which is by the way the opposite you claimed a conclusion towards your post should be in the first place. Secondly, the conclusion sucks even more since the first paragraph of her post includes an indirect assumption that your hydra is town, which again contradicts clearly to the conclusion she has made. There is no reason to believe, in case your post is pre-written, that you do not believe you have a cop check on N0 as a cop so a smart person, instead of making that post would instead of writing a nice looking nice sounding nonsense post ask "why don't you wanna claim your check right now?" If you think people who are being nice are more likely to be town and people who are not nice are not, then you have a very terrible view of what this game is about. Also if what you said here: Show nested quote +...did it in a way that contributed to discussion in a healthy way [...] which feels like a town thing ..if you actually believe this, then you should probably call yourself mafia for the very first post you made this game. On June 26 2018 10:49 Tictock wrote:
I'm not sure I saw anything in Calix's post that made the assumption that Gemma-Reg is town, but I overall agree with rayn here.
Calix's switch in stance from "lets rando vote someone for lol's" to "thats not AI, don't vote" seemed sudden to me. Especially when my suggestion to pile votes on Reg had nothing to do with alignment. I feel slightly hypocritical here though, kus I switched my own stance of "I don't wanna vote pointlessly" to off the cuff voting someone just kus they did something I think is stupid.
Actually maybe I do see what you mean here Rayn, there is no way Calix should be able to make any assumption about when Reg prepared that post. PM's went out an hour before the game started so there was plenty of time to decide to do something like that after getting a role, and there should be no real way to tell when someone makes that call.
Anyways, I'll optimistically call Rayn and Mocsta town here. On June 26 2018 10:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If the underlined part is really what Calix believes, there is no reason to assume a mafia fakecliming to be a cop would not believe they don't have a N0 check (since that's how it clearly works where Gemma usually plays, and there are indications of that for anyone whop has ever played anywhere else since it's almost always how it works).
So instead of writing the post off as non-alignment indicative any smart person -- again, believing what Calix clearly implies here -- would try to possibly catch a mafia in a lie by asking "so why don't you wanna claim your check now?"
Calix has struck me as a player who digs into stuff and small discrepancies even when they possibly don't matter (especially in the game where i was mafia with bugs and oats), and this "ignorance" towards a possibly revealing discussion seems very un-Calix-like. I have highlighted key parts of the quotes in red, as I do believe this is a genuine scum slip/town tell & may have gone over most peoples heads. (1) Calix requests random vote bandwagon (2) Regfan posts a fake post (3) TT requests to vote Regfan (implied to Calix) (4) Calix provides "analysis of Regfan post" by commenting on validity of cop claim (5) Other posters comment on "Regfan post" by simply stating "copypasta" What I find critical about this sequence of events is that: - Calix cop claim assessment doesn't consider a world where Regfan is mafia and fake-posting, instead - Calix auto-assumes a world where Regfan is cop or VT This is important because Calix is changing gears from "random vote" to "analysis before vote" to provide this contribution that is in essence providing town-lean evidence to upgrade from scummy to NULL. This only satisfies mafia agenda. You provide authentic contribution (i.e. town read), make a potential ally in Regfan, and possibly start a wagon on those that scum read Regfan. I think the townier way to go about the fake-post was what others did. Comment that its a copy/paste and move on. In a world where you only have your PM that is green or blue; how do you read into that fake-post any further.... well, you cant. So why does Calix then go out on a limb so early?
Why jump to the conclusion that a fake-post is from town land only?
Why change gears in the first place?I absolutely understand why town and scum would not want to random vote; but I cannot comprehend why any town would want to feign a care-free attitude to then ditch it immediately. I want to respond to this before I start on anything else because I know you said you value my input considering how differently we think about things, and I don't want you to think that I don't respect your reads or care about the work you've done. I actually don't think what you're looking at is super indicative, I think town make small assumptions like that pretty often and sometimes it's just that they make an inductive leap or because it isn't or doesn't seem necessary. I don't think you're right that what he did only satisfies scum agenda. I understand what you're seeing there, but I think it can also just be him as town making a post, maybe a bad post, but just a post about things that he thought. I kind of think that you might be going a little too deep. I don't think that mafia very often think on that many levels inside one post, or try to do all of those things at once like that. Not that early in the game anyway. I think if you simplify the whole thing, then you've got Calix seeing people talk about something, recognizing to himself that it's not actually indicative, and moving to put a close to a discussion that isn't really fruitful by saying that it's not AI. I think there's actually a fair bit more mafia motivation in stirring shit up about it, trying to keep town distracted from meaningful gamesolving, keep them thinking that it's a scummy or weird post, or even attacking someone who is attacking it. I don't know if any of that makes sense or not or helps you at all. Cos you are so fuckn stupid , here you go.
i dropped my calix read after this.
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i didnt vote shockeyy because my strong town read rayn was so certain of shockeyy being town.
heres a big tip
why dont you go and put all this nice effort into conversion vote actions.
like. yeah im mafia and the way to win is to cop this type of heat for lynch actions.
this is so fuckn stupid.
rayn and hf might want to gloat how they fuckn are nk this and that.
well i will gloat as mafia, i simply do not put myself in positions to be scrutinised like this from wagons.
i jsut dont, everything is meticulous in the filter for follow through.
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On June 29 2018 12:28 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 20:32 Mocsta wrote:
##Unvote
I dunno if Calix is town, but I trust Regfan enough to relinquish my read.
I would vote between Shockeyy and Koshi equally if Calix wont be wagon'd.
Shockeyy cos that post shitting on town for being down each others throats is such a mafia style intro post.
Koshi for reasons I mentioned prior.
Will decide when i wake up. ciao. Sorry if I am "difficult" but then explain to me your vote on Boxerored and not Shockey if you think he is mafia? "REASONS" Show nested quote +On June 29 2018 01:32 CopCake wrote:On June 28 2018 08:17 Tubesock wrote:Final Day 1 Vote Count
Tictock[3]:Holyflare, Vivax, Conversion, Holyflare, ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, CopCake ShoCkeyy[4]:Regfan Vivax, Tictock, Calix,Vivax, Mocsta, Koshi, Regfan,Tictock, Conversion Calix[0]:raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, CopCake, Koshi, raynpelikoneetboxerfred[5]:boxerfred, Holyflare , Mocsta, Calix, Vivax Holyflare[0]:Conversion CalixRegfan[0]:Mocsta, Tictock Vivax, Mocsta TheSlenderMan Vivax, CalixVivax[0]:Holyflare, Calix, Regfan TictockBoxerfred has been lynched. If this is it, then is funny how mafia put all his effort to lynch TT and not distribute the vote. This is quite interesting. It is difficult to me to imagine a town not voting for a mafia read but instead an afk person.
This is because of inductive vs deductive logic.
when i say i have a mafia read, it is at a completely different intensity to what the majority state.
my game play is based on impressions because i look at everything.. which also means what i do view is in many ways, shallow or superficial.
this is why at the game start, regfan thought i was detached because i can easily jump from person to person.
i dont need you to get that.. you just need to understand not everyone plays the way you do.
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On June 29 2018 12:38 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2018 12:33 Mocsta wrote:
i didnt vote shockeyy because my strong town read rayn was so certain of shockeyy being town.
heres a big tip
why dont you go and put all this nice effort into conversion vote actions.
like. yeah im mafia and the way to win is to cop this type of heat for lynch actions.
this is so fuckn stupid.
rayn and hf might want to gloat how they fuckn are nk this and that.
well i will gloat as mafia, i simply do not put myself in positions to be scrutinised like this from wagons.
i jsut dont, everything is meticulous in the filter for follow through. Conversion was on TT, last moment was on Shockey, gonna check his filter again to see if he ever mentioned him. The problem here is that you had a scum read, two scum reads on wagons. You got convinced on one, but the other one???? I am gonna start to type sorry in each post in case I piss off some for my questions. Sorry. its ok, i've calmed down somewhat.
i do apologise for those outburts, not that it is acceptable in the first place.
this game is frustrating to me because the first 24hrs seemed almost perfect (from my PoV at least). the next 72hr.. meh
anyways,
my lynch options one hour from EoD was Calix, Shockeyy and Koshi.
I have already explained why i didnt want to vote calix and shockeyy.
and it should be clear i didnt want to vote TT.
so i voted koshi, and everyone shit on me.
Thats why i swapped to fred, it was a 50/50 lynch when i had no options.
I think it may have been HF saying TT was town for not swapping to boxer to savehimself?
it sounded plausible when i read it, but now i think about it, i dont agree.
as town i have swapped onto unknowns to save myself.
i only wouldnt swap if the alternate wagon was a very strong town read.
i still think tt is town though, just not for that reasoning.
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On June 29 2018 12:43 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 02:08 Conversion wrote:
also I don't like Tictock's continuous mention of how he is unlynchable this game. rubs me the wrong way There you have it. Conversion is so fucking town. His change of vote was to save Boxfred. GG. this went over my head
i dont understand how saving boxerfred makes someone town?
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i think you should be considering with Conversion why he even has those opinions.
Everything is just loose throw away comments that echo others
"ohh, this person rubs me the wrong way"
Heres one for you, do any of conversions opinions that you share come first?
I suspect it does not.
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On June 29 2018 13:01 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2018 12:52 Mocsta wrote:
i think you should be considering with Conversion why he even has those opinions.
Everything is just loose throw away comments that echo others
"ohh, this person rubs me the wrong way"
Heres one for you, do any of conversions opinions that you share come first?
I suspect it does not.
He wanted to kill his mafia reads, never a town. Unless you think TT and Shockey are both town idk how Conversion's pov doesn't work with yours since you also think Shockey is mafia. Conversion tried HARD to kill Shockey to save Boxerfred. Please listen carefully.
Do you even understand why conversion has those reads....
The act of follow through is non-alignment indicative. Both mafia and town have reasons to do it.
Its why and how that matters, and at least to me, its very much lacking with conversion.
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On June 28 2018 01:58 Conversion wrote:
Tictock’s unlynchable bit bothered me and then he chooses to completely ignore the fact that I wasn’t trying to actually policy you and make up some crap about how I perceive you when playing together, and pins that as why I pushed you for the greater half of day1, which is just a flat out lie. I don’t see the reason for town anyone to misrepresent something I clarified about and then disseminate false information. It wasn’t even a mistake of misreading my filter, it was pulled out of thin air. And this unlynchable thing.. this happened on what.. p8 and is an outcome of HF + me/rayn saying we could swing a vote.
Yet, what is conversion reaction at that phase.
On June 26 2018 21:38 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 11:50 Regfan wrote:@Conversion - What's your reads/thoughts on Non-Holyflare players? On June 26 2018 11:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Basically what i found out to be mostly correct is that tt makes more detailed and not all over the place posts more likely as town in comparison to as mafia. It's partly meta partly just gameplay. Especially him looking like he is thinking about what he posts mid-post aka the post on Calix seems to me way more likely to come from town than from mafia. idk it is hard to explain, i think he can make a post like that as mafia as well but i don't think he makes THAT specific post as mafia, post would probably be more lazy and have a different umm... goal in mind that it seems like it has. Cheers, most of this makes a lot of sense. Wouldn't mind you getting to the Moscsta question when you get a chance, we're reading his posts here as busywork to a degree and Gemma can't work out why the things he's commenting on are important to him or where he's really trying to go with it and working out if this is just a playstyle concern or not would be nice. -R I’m peeved Mocsta acknowledged I was “making hits” and didn’t answer my question.CopCake randomly townreading me (though the screen touching joke was funny) bothers me Calix not answering why she voted HF bothers me Nothing substantial yet. CopCake feels town even though she randoy townread peopl earlier but I’d want to mull on it a bit more
Which is related to this:
On June 26 2018 10:17 Holyflare wrote:
We should be lynch ticktock though. On June 26 2018 10:19 Mocsta wrote:
im not against this either
On June 26 2018 11:49 Conversion wrote:
why
and you call me shallow? jeez
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CopCake.. im giong to drop conversion.
I feel like im trying to create linkages to suit my outcome, which probably means im wrong.
BUT... what i will say is, going through conversion made me specifcally look through shockeyy because converision asks him at one point why tictock over calix.
Im still going through the filter, but the stuff i was looking for... .man. that mofo is town as. just sweet and direct and with impact.
so..im back to square-1.
in my certainly-town world (Holyflare, rayn, CopCake)
in my I-assume-to-be-town world (Shockeyy, conversion)
in my prioritise-evaluation pile (Calix, tictock)
in my No-fucknig-idea (koshi, Slender)
ticktock has shifted to re-evalute because of shockeyy. Once i digest the content I will have a better idea of where i sit.
Calix. i havent read much of what she was written she since had the copcake case. I think its time i stop giving her a free town read for reaction and read the content.
meh.. in short, im a sheep this cycle.
anwaysy, i will spoiler what i was writing about b4 just in case you think i was bullshitting. but its probably not relevant
+ Show Spoiler +actions do lie, especially when you are aware of the outcome before others. im going to summarise my perspective of what you are saying: Conversion position: Shock=TT >Vivax>Calix>Koshi via #517
Mildly amusing in between this (and note its to his scum-read about his scum-read) On June 26 2018 22:40 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I go to dinner, sleep, get ready for work, get my day started, visit TL, see 13 pages, type this response, close TL, be back later to read walls of text T_T On June 27 2018 01:39 Conversion wrote:
Actually it might be a tossup between him and ShoCkeyy for the worst entrances in this game
why even post this On June 27 2018 22:21 Conversion wrote:
Is this a manufactured dumb mechanics thing from Shock? I highly doubt a dude who has played mafia here before honestly thinks mafia getting 3 KP in one night is balanced. at all On June 27 2018 22:49 Calix wrote:
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So I'm just going with ShoCkeyy/ Vivax/ ??? for my current scum reads.
I'd like some thoughts on ShoCkeyy/ Calix from the rest of the thread please. On June 27 2018 22:59 Conversion wrote:
I recall having the same frustrations with Shock making posts that never seemed town, and he ended up being town, in a game I played with him. I’ll metacheck that when I’m at a computer
The voting block is deceiving because there are lots of errors in it & came about very infrequently. I will make the assumption that people were too lazy to count what the actuals were, and went off the host counts. Keep in mind Conversion position from above, and that prior to this he was trolling with a HF vote. On June 28 2018 01:14 Tictock wrote:
##Vote: ShoCkeyy On June 28 2018 01:18 Conversion wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote:Tictock On June 28 2018 02:59 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##Vote:Tictock At this point, surely Conversion has to be suspicious that his scum-reads are voting each other, which to his credit there is some "follow-through" On June 28 2018 03:15 Conversion wrote:
Tictock why aren't you talking with me
Shockeyy why do you scumread TT over Calix On June 28 2018 03:19 Conversion wrote:
Let me reword that-- Shockeyy why do you want to lynch Tictock OVER Calix regardless if bother are scum or not? I feel like the general vibe that I felt from you was that Calix was your read On June 28 2018 08:17 Tubesock wrote:Final Day 1 Vote Count
Tictock[3]:Holyflare, Vivax, Conversion, Holyflare, ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, CopCake ShoCkeyy[4]:Regfan Vivax, Tictock, Calix,Vivax, Mocsta, Koshi, Regfan,Tictock, Conversion Calix[0]:raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, CopCake, Koshi, raynpelikoneetboxerfred[5]:boxerfred, Holyflare , Mocsta, Calix, Vivax Holyflare[0]:Conversion CalixRegfan[0]:Mocsta, Tictock Vivax, Mocsta TheSlenderMan Vivax, CalixVivax[0]:Holyflare, Calix, Regfan TictockBoxerfred has been lynched. I dont know why you arent considering a world where boxerfred & shockeyy are town. imagine that, scum can choose whatever wagon they want without risk...
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#1561
i dont like this, whether i was still anti-conversion or not.
the votes were so unpredictable at that point.
(a) there was EoD wagons forming like boxer
(b) the vote counts were rarely updated and had errors.. there was no certainty
but i dont like this because you are insinuating that with 1 minute to spare there is enough time to reload the page, see the change, process what needs to happen to save whomeever, and then type the vote.
thats a buttload, and then yuo have different internet speeds.. basically the 1min separate could be considered logging at the same time.
the other factor is that philosophically, smoe ppl are just simply opposed to voting an afk lurker.
town, perhaps because they wish it wouldnt happen to them; or morals or whatever
scum, perhaps because they feel they will cop limelight they dont want, or whatever.
like im not gonig to call someone scum because they didnt want to vote boxerfred, and definitely not because of something that happened 1min in sequence.
where im getting it is that such a simple thing debunks that whole post.. im not really sure what the point was other than, here, rayn wants me off the island, now here is another plattter to choose.
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