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Regfan
Profile Joined February 2017
124 Posts
June 27 2018 13:50 GMT
#564
I probably want to lynch between Vivax and Shock today and I'm kind of inclined to just go Shock over Vivax because I don't see how talking about mechanics the way he is ever makes sense as what he thinks is important or valuable to talk about here as some of his first exploring into the game.

-G
Regfan
Profile Joined February 2017
124 Posts
June 27 2018 13:53 GMT
#565
On June 27 2018 22:49 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2018 22:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On June 27 2018 22:33 Calix wrote:
On June 27 2018 22:29 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On June 27 2018 22:21 Calix wrote:
On June 27 2018 22:17 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On June 27 2018 22:08 Calix wrote:
On June 27 2018 22:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Vivax, why can't it not be something they do? If he claims he can't die, there's only two reasons, he's a role, or he's mafia. There's a 50/50 chance, and if he doesn't die tonight, does that increase the likely hood he is mafia? So let me put it in easier terms, math.

If there is three mafia shots, three town will die at night + the mislynch leaving us in a really bad spot for tomorrow.
If there is two mafia shots, we're still in a bad spot for this next lynch and the following lynch after will really be the game breaker.
If there is one mafia shot, we have three cycles to play.

If he's already claiming something, then I rather take it as mafia who has a solid chance of surviving all three cycles if he's "unlynchable".

On June 27 2018 21:47 Calix wrote:
Another bad post, eh? ^^

Since when did you very conveniently and opportunistically decide to scum-read me, may I ask? And for what reason?

That paragraph about AFKs being more likely town and rambling about the game starting date is filler.

Your town-read on Vivax is based on a very flimsy pre-flip association which will crumple like a house of cards. Do you have any substantial reason to town-read this guy?


My town read is because Vivax town read you early into the game, and you've only been trying to get him lynched, which is even odder to me since it's both you and Tictock pushing for Vivax without any dialogue happening between you too.


Huh? Mafia can't shoot multiple people in a night.

I don't see how trying to lynch someone who TOWN-READS me is scummy since that means I'm trying to vote off someone who isn't going to vote for me...at a time when I'm being discussed as a lynch candidate. In no world does that make me mafia.

TT is American iirc, I'm from the UK. We're not usually on at the same time ^^


How do you know they can't shoot multiple times? it doesn't say it in the rules, it just says this:

Option A - 1 blue role , 9 vanilla town, 3 vanilla mafia
Option B - 2 blue role , 8 vanilla town, 1 mafia roleblocker, 2 vanilla mafia

Either two vanilla, or three vanilla, and from the Role PM, it seems like all three can shoot. You probably didn't check because it will be handed to you through mafia QT... along where you and Tictock maybe conversing even though you're on "different" time zones.


Because it's 13P and mafia always gets 1 KPN in 13Ps otherwise it'd be unbalanced? You can look at every recent 13P game to verify this.

Your 'evidence' for scum-reading TT and I is very weak. With that in mind, your unnatural level of confidence in TT/ Calix scum-team comes across as very forced and try-hard as if you're overcompensating for knowing that I'm town.


Of course you would say it's "try-hard" when you're getting scrumread along side with your buddy. You're scum reading me, and I'm scum reading you, isn't that the point? Isn't that what you did all day yesterday? Lol...


But I'm not wrong. I'm saying your level of confidence in your scum-read doesn't square up with the evidence provided. Which shows that you're making things up.

I still don't know why you scum-read me individually and saying "because you're on a team with TT" shows very superficial thinking.

Are you saying you're scum-reading me for scum-reading you first? I don't know how to interpret your last sentences otherwise.


The evidence is there if others want to look, like Vivax. He actually took a look and saw what I saw. You can interpret the last sentence however you want.


You cannot be serious.

Instead of trying to explain yourself to others so that they can understand where you're coming from, you deliberately leave things vague and up to interpretation.

Even though, from your POV, I'm either misreading you (as town) or I'm intentionally misrepresenting your posts (as mafia).

I don't see how a townie makes this post ever.

So I'm just going with ShoCkeyy/ Vivax/ ??? for my current scum reads.

I'd like some thoughts on ShoCkeyy/ Calix from the rest of the thread please.

Regfan has Shock and Vivax as unaligned and he's never wrong about unaligns, fyi.

-G
Regfan
Profile Joined February 2017
124 Posts
June 27 2018 14:21 GMT
#575
On June 27 2018 02:35 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2018 02:30 CopCake wrote:
On June 27 2018 02:28 Calix wrote:
On June 27 2018 02:19 CopCake wrote:
Calix, who are your mafia reads and who are your toen reads and why?

I need two on each category.


I don't have anything insightful with mafia reads. My current thinking is "the active people seem townie so there's probably more mafia in the inactive section" but I also don't know how to sort between boxerfred/ Koshi/ SlenderMan/ Vivax/ ShoCkeyy.

I guess Koshi and Vivax and ShoCkeyy because they've posted and their posts are pretty underwhelming and accomplish even less shit than I have? And Vivax might be trying to pocket/ white-knight me since I'm looking like a likely mislynch right now.

I realise I'm still voting for you so lemme change that: ##Vote: Vivax.

I think Mocsta is town because he seems to be posting off-the-cuff and doesn't seem to have preformed conclusions and is flexible with his reads. His style is different from his last game too.

Conversion's town because he seems to be having fun while still contributing when he wants.

Tictock's probably town. I haven't actually opened his filter though. I'm just being cocky and assuming he'll fuck up really bad at some point if he's scum so I'm not worried about him.


But werent you calling me scum for focusing on inactives? o_O


No, I was calling you mafia for that within the context of when you posted about the inactives while a bunch of other shit was going down.

Meanwhile I'm talking about inactives because few of the active people look like good D1 lynch candidates. Okay yeah, I could #yolo vote Regfan or HF but that would be dumb since they'll actually play and respond to accusations and the like.

Also I'm going to ask you why you think HF is townish now. You were scum-reading him, then you said you felt better about him but you never really explained why or what posts made you conclude that.

@rayn, if you don't like Regfan's reasoning then try this.

I don't think mafia almost ever makes this post when they're in the position that Calix was in there. There are two main things for me here to notice about the context of this post.

1. If he's mafia then he had been spending a bunch of effort in trying to pocket us, earlier when we were pushing similar reads to him.
2. At the time of this post he was being widely scumread and basically no one was defending him.

Now look at his attitude here. He's saying that he could yolovote us (who he knows are town, and who he was actively trying to pocket earlier) / isn't sold on us being town. If he's mafia, that is going to feel like a super super sketchy as fuck thing to put into thread, he has to have a super super high amount of confidence in order to go there, but there's no way he has that kind of confidence because he has to think he's always dying at that point as scum.

It's also just a completely natural way to express yourself. "Sure I could vote them I guess but I don't really want to because they're actually playing" is not the way mafia treat us there, not without overdoing it.

Furthermore, he's actively shooting himself in the foot if he's mafia, because he's risking estranging us, and it runs completely against what he was trying to do, to buddy us and get us to townread him. You can't fake that kind of a turnaround without it coming across really clunky and that isn't clunky at all.

And the last little bit about HF is just, I don't think it ever even occurs to him to bring HF into the conversation there if he's mafia.

I wouldn't be defending him like this if Regfan didn't townread him as strongly as he does but I believe in Regfan, I townread Calix as well and even if we don't hit scum today I'd really like to not see a townread get lynched.

-G
Regfan
Profile Joined February 2017
124 Posts
June 27 2018 14:29 GMT
#577
On June 27 2018 23:10 Koshi wrote:
Ended up reading TT and think we should vote Vivax over Calix. I'll still follow rayn but Vivax looks worse from what I read.

hard yikes

-G
Regfan
Profile Joined February 2017
124 Posts
June 27 2018 14:37 GMT
#580
This is where I really need Mocsta to turn up and save the day.

-G
Regfan
Profile Joined February 2017
124 Posts
June 27 2018 14:48 GMT
#586
This is more or less where we're at as a hydra, btw.

Regfan
Mocsta
Holyflare
Calix
raynpelikoneet
CopCake

TheSlenderMan
boxerfred
Conversion
Ticktock

Vivax
Koshi
ShoCkeyy

We wouldn't lynch anyone in the top tier right now and we think they're all town with varying levels of confidence. We'd both bet the game on Mocsta being town, and I don't think we're very doubtful of anyone in that grouping being town.

The second lot are question marks but probably not people we would lynch today when it comes down it, unless we couldn't get anyone in the bottom grouping, and the bottom grouping are people we scumread to some degree, although I'm somewhat uncomfortable voting Vivax at this point given Koshi's treatment of him. I feel really conflicted about all of my scumreads which isn't particularly good when it's supposed to be my job to take care of that side of things but I'm in the middle of a nervous breakdown IRL so I'm just going to blame that.

-G
Regfan
Profile Joined February 2017
124 Posts
June 27 2018 15:02 GMT
#594
On June 27 2018 21:11 Vivax wrote:
Hydra boi is lock town

@Vivax, why did you say this re: Regfan?
Regfan
Profile Joined February 2017
124 Posts
June 27 2018 15:02 GMT
#595
-G
Regfan
Profile Joined February 2017
124 Posts
June 27 2018 15:14 GMT
#598
On June 28 2018 00:01 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2018 23:48 Regfan wrote:
This is more or less where we're at as a hydra, btw.

Regfan
Mocsta
Holyflare
Calix
raynpelikoneet
CopCake

TheSlenderMan
boxerfred
Conversion
Ticktock

Vivax
Koshi
ShoCkeyy

We wouldn't lynch anyone in the top tier right now and we think they're all town with varying levels of confidence. We'd both bet the game on Mocsta being town, and I don't think we're very doubtful of anyone in that grouping being town.

The second lot are question marks but probably not people we would lynch today when it comes down it, unless we couldn't get anyone in the bottom grouping, and the bottom grouping are people we scumread to some degree, although I'm somewhat uncomfortable voting Vivax at this point given Koshi's treatment of him. I feel really conflicted about all of my scumreads which isn't particularly good when it's supposed to be my job to take care of that side of things but I'm in the middle of a nervous breakdown IRL so I'm just going to blame that.

-G


How am I even town in the eye of both you? Lol



Didn't Reg talk about his townread on you? I didn't hate the reasoning he gave me and my own read on you is that some of your responses have felt genuine and your reads feel almost too stupid to be mafia. I don't really know how to put that nicely, sorry, it's late. You're our weakest townread, if that makes you feel any better. I'm mostly just giving the read to Reg honestly since he has actual feelings about you and I don't, plus I can't be bothered dealing with rayn.
Regfan
Profile Joined February 2017
124 Posts
June 27 2018 15:15 GMT
#599
On June 28 2018 00:10 Tictock wrote:
Why do you want to lynch me? I’ll admit I sometimes just skim your guy’s posts but I don’t recall you sharing anything about that.

Because of posts like this.

-G
Regfan
Profile Joined February 2017
124 Posts
June 27 2018 15:21 GMT
#600
I'm being facetious. I haven't made time to talk about it. I was planning on doing it earlier but running through my Conversion read took way longer than I anticipated and I don't really have energy anymore. You're not a huge priority for me so I'm not too stressed about leaving you for tomorrow, especially since I'll hopefully have more to work with from you by then anyway.

-G
Regfan
Profile Joined February 2017
124 Posts
June 27 2018 15:32 GMT
#602
You don't understand why anyone would townread you, or nullread you, or mafia read you?

o.O

-G
Regfan
Profile Joined February 2017
124 Posts
June 27 2018 15:36 GMT
#603
I wish Vivax hadn't peaced right when I needed them most.

-G
Regfan
Profile Joined February 2017
124 Posts
June 27 2018 15:38 GMT
#604
Alright, well, I'm pretty sure voting Vivax is the only way to keep Calix alive, so, moving there I guess. Kind of hate how everyone has been tunneled on Calix and not done any real evaluation of other lynches.

-G
Regfan
Profile Joined February 2017
124 Posts
June 27 2018 15:47 GMT
#607
On June 28 2018 00:42 ShoCkeyy wrote:
When did you read HF town? I may have missed it in your essays.

I started townreading him based on his Vivax push, Reg followed suit a bit after.

-G
Regfan
Profile Joined February 2017
124 Posts
June 27 2018 15:54 GMT
#611
On June 28 2018 00:51 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2018 00:38 Regfan wrote:
Alright, well, I'm pretty sure voting Vivax is the only way to keep Calix alive, so, moving there I guess. Kind of hate how everyone has been tunneled on Calix and not done any real evaluation of other lynches.

-G


So what's wrong with the evaluation of the vivax lynch that you complain about it while joining it?

Koshi moved there. I was very comfortable lynching Vivax until then.

-G
Regfan
Profile Joined February 2017
124 Posts
June 27 2018 16:05 GMT
#613
On June 28 2018 00:54 Holyflare wrote:
Can we get some kind of paraphrasing of your conversations together and the medium through which you communicated each reg/gemma?

Discord.

And no, I really can't be bothered. I'm too tired and worn out by this shitty game. You can read our filter if you want to know what our reads are, our chats are just those in short form. If you can't already tell that we're town then getting a paraphrase of our talks together isn't going to help you.

-G
Regfan
Profile Joined February 2017
124 Posts
June 27 2018 16:12 GMT
#618
On June 28 2018 01:05 Vivax wrote:
Yawn

Didn't peace out for long I'm back at a pc. Why I said that regfan? Cause I felt like saying it? No deep reason behind it just a thought that was crossing my mind at the time.

Why are you voting TT?

-G
Regfan
Profile Joined February 2017
124 Posts
June 27 2018 16:15 GMT
#623
Man, I'm really torn between trying to get Shock lynched and keeping my vote on Vivax. I'm not really convinced I can make anything else happen and I really don't want to see Calix lynched just because rayn is in a crappy tunnel and 2 or more townies are sheeping him.

-G
Regfan
Profile Joined February 2017
124 Posts
June 27 2018 16:21 GMT
#631
On June 28 2018 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
Fwiw I'm kinda off this vivax is mafia train. Will be voting tt when i can be bothered.

Can't really see us voting TT today, fwiw.

I scumread him but not at all confidently, certainly not confidently enough to lynch him with how active he's been for day 1, also Regfan townreads him (albeit weakly) and I'm pretty confident that I can get a stronger read on him tomorrow regardless of his alignment. And on the plus side if he's mafia we'll get to bleed him for spew.

-G
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