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+ Show Spoiler [HF-case] +On July 01 2018 01:11 Holyflare wrote:+ Show Spoiler [1] +On June 30 2018 20:53 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 23:49 Calix wrote:On June 27 2018 23:42 Holyflare wrote:
Why am I not being scum read? :D Talking to me? I am assuming you're asking why I'm not calling you mafia despite your play somewhat matching what I think mafia does, I don't think you not doing much on D1 means anything other than you being busy because you're more than capable of curb-stomping the thread towards my mislynch if you really wanted to. I haven't properly read your filter but I remember one moment where it looked like you were preparing to attack Mocsta and then you saw a post from him and said "nah" and it looked kinda townie to me. Because you gave yourself the opportunity to go after someone and try and get them lynched while disturbing the 'town circle' and looking like you're doing something. And you didn't take it. Also because you're not D1 lynch material and you haven't really done anything scummy to make me change my mind so I'm fine to let you do whatever for the time being. So yeah. sigh this is legit about hf Like as mafia he really had no need to drop his read on me No need at all I still would have thought he would be biting onto something at this point of the game though. On June 30 2018 21:32 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2018 21:23 Holyflare wrote:
I should be the easiest mislynch to push, dunno why nobody is pushing it hard. can you please review the posts and conclusion i made on calix I would like your opinion On June 30 2018 22:23 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2018 22:18 Koshi wrote:On June 30 2018 22:14 Mocsta wrote:
Koshi
How does conversion work if you believe shockee is town?
Like maybe i shouldnt rely on heuristics at eod2 but if copcake was scum. I expect rayn to have clued in by now. And frankly. I find her too polarising ti be scum. Bkg committment to do that thrkughtout the whole game. Why wouldnt it work? And I do not believe shockey is town. His filter is just okay. But conversion filter is way worse. Dont say things I never said. Why you people do this I will never understand. Shockey and conversion are 2 different playerd who both can be mafia or town. The only persons who cannot be mafia together are Calix and Shockeyy. Or they are insanely bussing. Which is possible. Because everything is possible. Vote people who have highest chamce to be mafia and go from there = thx im not going to be around lynch My focus is to put a vote on whom i think is scum and whom will get traction I refuse to vote calix and could do 1 of shockee or conversion. My preferred was shockee cos i think it clears calix and should make game easier to resolve On June 30 2018 22:36 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2018 22:28 CopCake wrote:
Dude it is 6:28 here, I was having breakfast.
And Koshi are you saying I am mafia, right? regardless, its disappointing you havrnt reevaluated your position on conversion. We know tt and boxer were town. Calix is likely town. So whats the big deal concersion didnt want to swap. He was on town lynch no matter what. Again this highlights shockeey for me. On June 30 2018 22:58 Mocsta wrote:Im so confused i cant even sheep Like the conversion vote is only scummy if shockee is town which fucks up all my pairings Actual Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 08:17 Tubesock wrote:Final Day 1 Vote Count
Tictock[3]:Holyflare, Vivax, Conversion, Holyflare, ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, CopCake ShoCkeyy[4]:Regfan Vivax, Tictock, Calix,Vivax, Mocsta, Koshi, Regfan,Tictock, Conversion Calix[0]:raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, CopCake, Koshi, raynpelikoneetboxerfred[5]:boxerfred, Holyflare , Mocsta, Calix, VivaxHolyflare[0]:Conversion CalixRegfan[0]:Mocsta,Tictock Vivax, Mocsta TheSlenderMan Vivax, CalixVivax[0]: Holyflare, Calix, Regfan TictockBoxerfred has been lynched. Edit for my world Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 08:17 Tubesock wrote:Final Day 1 Vote Count
Tictock[3]:Holyflare, Vivax, Conversion, Holyflare, ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, CopCake ShoCkeyy[4]:Regfan Vivax, Tictock, Calix,Vivax,Mocsta, Koshi, Regfan,Tictock, Conversion Calix[0]:raynpelikoneet,Mocsta,CopCake, Koshi, raynpelikoneetboxerfred[5]:boxerfred, Holyflare , Mocsta, Calix, VivaxHolyflare[0]:Conversion CalixRegfan[0]:Mocsta,Tictock Vivax, Mocsta TheSlenderMan Vivax,CalixVivax[0]: Holyflare, Calix, Regfan TictockBoxerfred has been lynched. i find it so hard to believe that copcake is town Voting tells me Shoxkee is town Concersion koshi holyflare is mafia On June 30 2018 23:04 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2018 23:01 CopCake wrote:On June 30 2018 22:58 Mocsta wrote:Im so confused i cant even sheep Like the conversion vote is only scummy if shockee is town which fucks up all my pairings Actual On June 28 2018 08:17 Tubesock wrote:Final Day 1 Vote Count
Tictock[3]:Holyflare, Vivax, Conversion, Holyflare, ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, CopCake ShoCkeyy[4]:Regfan Vivax, Tictock, Calix,Vivax, Mocsta, Koshi, Regfan,Tictock, Conversion Calix[0]:raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, CopCake, Koshi, raynpelikoneetboxerfred[5]:boxerfred, Holyflare , Mocsta, Calix, VivaxHolyflare[0]:Conversion CalixRegfan[0]:Mocsta,Tictock Vivax, Mocsta TheSlenderMan Vivax, CalixVivax[0]: Holyflare, Calix, Regfan TictockBoxerfred has been lynched. Edit for my world On June 28 2018 08:17 Tubesock wrote:Final Day 1 Vote Count
Tictock[3]:Holyflare, Vivax, Conversion, Holyflare, ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, CopCake ShoCkeyy[4]:Regfan Vivax, Tictock, Calix,Vivax,Mocsta, Koshi, Regfan,Tictock, Conversion Calix[0]:raynpelikoneet,Mocsta,CopCake, Koshi, raynpelikoneetboxerfred[5]:boxerfred, Holyflare , Mocsta, Calix, VivaxHolyflare[0]:Conversion CalixRegfan[0]:Mocsta,Tictock Vivax, Mocsta TheSlenderMan Vivax,CalixVivax[0]: Holyflare, Calix, Regfan TictockBoxerfred has been lynched. i find it so hard to believe that copcake is town Voting tells me Shoxkee is town Concersion koshi holyflare is mafia I am not town?  Realisitically yoy are town in my eyes However calix is absolutely lock town for me going forward which is whh i coliured her green Maybe it is as simple as TSM is the 3rd scum because teams just seem odd On June 30 2018 23:16 Mocsta wrote:
If shockee and convo scum. Its a stupid bus
If convo scum and shoxk toen. The hammer makes nk sense as all wagons were town and he didnt have to move On June 30 2018 23:28 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2018 23:24 CopCake wrote:
I take more in consideration actions than words tbh.
I cant see a mafia last minute voting shockey if they see that boxerfred is getting majority and there is no way mafia would know vivax voted last second.
I am gonna re check that and see the order of the last 4 votes to be pretty and absolutly clear of that in case I am missing another possible universe.
I feel like a clumsy dr. Strange. actually. The only benefit as sfum would be so he can shit on the boxerfred wagon. This ONLY is possible if shockee is town Ironically this is what convo has been doing though On June 30 2018 23:31 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2018 23:25 CopCake wrote:On June 30 2018 23:23 Mocsta wrote:On June 30 2018 23:19 Conversion wrote:
I don’t understand why people are focusing on me switching from TT to shockeyy and not the 4 people who switched to an irrelevant noinfo lynch and looking for scum there. does everyone here seriously think that was a pure town wagon? At least 3 of the 4 voters i bekieve is town I said my reasons. I cant help it yoy are so (personally) against it If you believe this then HF is mafia with this comment? i dont want to believe it but i dont see what other choixes there are It is really annoying TSM acknowledged he knew about the game and would come back and hasnt Not annoying because it blocks finding scum but it makea the team combos frustrating On June 30 2018 23:37 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 07:21 Koshi wrote:On June 28 2018 07:20 Mocsta wrote:On June 28 2018 07:19 Koshi wrote:
If I TT is mafia I will pledge my vote to you next 10 games rayn. Next 10 votes. No shit. Why is TT town big claims, need some dot points br0 Not surw if you can read. This post still annoys me B4 that the only thing on tt is Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 23:10 Koshi wrote:
Ended up reading TT and think we should vote Vivax over Calix. I'll still follow rayn but Vivax looks worse from what I read. On June 30 2018 23:39 Mocsta wrote:D1 Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 07:16 Koshi wrote:
Reading schockeyy I am ok with him dieing over TT. The betrayel is real but schockeyy is either bad town or mafia. TT is actually playing.
##unvote
Vote schockeyy D2 Show nested quote +On June 30 2018 21:14 Koshi wrote:
There is nothing in Shockeys filter that makes him mafia. Maybe it is too clean.. blah blah. He makes a lot of posts that solely imply he is town though. Saw like 4 of them easily.
Who is lynch nr 3? On June 30 2018 23:41 Mocsta wrote:Koshi > hf = shockee One problem i have with scum koshi is why noy keep town shock as a mislynch this cycle On June 30 2018 23:42 Mocsta wrote:
Im going to bed in 10 though and dont want to throw away my vote
Thats my preference but will sheeo yoy for consolidation.
Where to? On July 01 2018 00:17 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2018 00:16 CopCake wrote:On July 01 2018 00:13 Conversion wrote:
I’m going to be unavailable soon until 1 hour to 30 minutes before EoD, which is why I’m stating how this game is going to go aince we have Koshi and HF on me and apparently they can type by bashing their head against a keyboard and people won’t lynch them. Calix you’re being way too stubborn when I’m trying to work with you on alternative lynches and I’m listening to Cop and Mocsta, but if you’re just going to push me until the end of day 2, we can fight until one of us flips. Your unwillingness to work with me and just paint me red is not something that’s giving me confidence that you are town. ;-; I am up for a HF ok lets do it And i go to bed I highly doubt i will be here at deadline ##vote: holyflare 1. HF IS TOWN "Sigh, this is so town hf because no agenda!" 2. I want HF's opinion on these posts because I respect it and I just read him town. 3. I will vote who I think is mafia. Won't vote Calix, will vote shockeyy and conversion. Shockeyy preferably. 4. Shockeyy is mafia. Conversion's swap is no big deal. 5. Conversion is town. Conversion is only scummy if shockeyy is town. Voting tells me shockeyy is town and Koshi/HF/Conversion(????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????) is mafia. Can't also believe cop is town, looks mafia(??)6. Cop is now town. Calix is lock town. Maybe slender is mafia. 7. Pointless logic loops. 8. Maybe if he's mafia he did it to shit on the bf wagon. Oh, wait, he did do that. 9. slenderman whining 10. Koshi correctly guessed TT's alignment and it bugs me. 11. These are not contentious points because they can both be applicable. 12. Koshi is now the biggest scum read with HF and Shockeyy being the next biggest???????? 13. Don't want to throw away my vote. I'll sheep copcake who I have complained about her logic the entire game and whined that none of her cases make sense. 14. Oh, yeah, I'll throw away my vote on holyflare who I have mentioned 0 times why he is mafia and even called him basically definitely town just 10 posts ago. Even though he has 0 votes. Just because copcake said so. Look at point 5. Then point 8. Point 5 gives Mocsta a mafia team of Conversion/Koshi/HF Point 8 he says points that would make Conversion mafia even though he just said votes make Conversion mafia. Point 12 says Koshi now somehow ends up being the biggest scum read WHEN KOSHI VOTED ON SHOCKEYY. I am also somehow on this list AFTER HE CALLED ME TOWN. If he doesn't acknowledge conversion is mafia because of votes then why the fuck do Koshi and I suddenly become mafia? The answer is because he changes his reads arbitrarily based on who he is talking to to blend in with sentiment. Do you remember what he said about 90% of cop's posts? That he couldn't follow them or they didn't make sense. Yet, who does he now sheep? You got it, Cop.
Hi HF, now I know you are town I will do the courtesy of pointing out a couple reasons why this is invalid (besides role PM ;P)
(1) You are referencing different conclusions presented as scummy; yet, fail to consider they are drawn from different sources (1 was my interpretation of VCA, and the other being my interpretation of in-thread events).
(2) I can accept you taking issue with point 12 but thats not a reason to vote someone. Further, your evidence for point 11 clearly explains why point 12 is a vaid position by me to take.
(3) As for sheeping cop, I made it abundantly clear I wouldnt be around before the lynch, and most likely during the lynch.
The only reason I would be around deadlines on a weekend, is if the kids wake up early. Like 3am early.
Again, I am under the most pressure out of anyone to place a vote that means something which should actually be town as fuck.
In hindsight, its clear this is written from a tunneled perspective; but with my knowledge at the time, you had been calling me town all game (which is reversible to me as well) so this came across to me as fake.
Lessons for both of us.
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On July 04 2018 09:41 Calix wrote:
On the matter of inactivity, I honestly don't think you can regulate for it. My old site used to be active with lots of engaged players. Then it slowly became more inactive until minimum posting, unexplained reads and the like became the norm. No amount of bans, rule changes, discussions, etc, changed this overall trend.
I think the same thing is happening with TL Mafia where you're having the problem of "the playerbase is small so if the rules are too harsh then there won't be enough players because they would all be banned for inactivity/ bad behaviour. But if we don't punish people for those things then the bad quality of games will drive away players."
If a solution exists to this problem then I have yet to find it. In this game, some people should take blame for signing up with known future committments.
e.g. as town, would Koshi have posted more? I honestly hope not, enjoy that fuckn holiday dude and dont sign up.
however, i think equally there are people that have genuine intent to play the game with a committment of 2hrs a day MAXIMUM.
when you have people with 25page filter in a 13p game; you can barely read the thread with 2hrs, let alone form a decision opinino.
If you inject those half-formed thoughts into the thread, you get shit on for being mafia ;P.
This is a long winded way of saying , its not necessarily about post minimum, but having a post MAXIMUM
Then town has to have the courage to lynch people that intentionally spam to the post maximum whilst delivering nothing of value.
In some ways, I may prefer a game where the first 24hrs nominated 3 people for lynch.
Then the second 24hrs forces a vote only within those 3 ( or no-lynch).
Maybe I should host a theme game doing this?
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thanks for the nomination Mocsta : )
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Sorry about the vote counts. They were my fault. I tried fixing them but I suck.
I think Shockeyy and The Slenderman did exactly what they needed to do to win. They were not in danger of being killed so no need to stop town from killing them selves.
Someday some of you may learn that being “stupid” or a “ dumb bitch” isn’t mafia. Call bad arguments something else. Calling someone stupid or whatever is really what made this town collapse. It certainly makes mafias job at creating chaos much easier.
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My observation is that a few of our players seem to have forgotten that town is also a team, not a solo sport.
Calling a player stupid or retarded is not good play regardless of their alignment. If they're scum, you're marginalising them to the point where people will expect less, lowering the bar so they can skate by. If they're town, you're alienating votes that you will undoubtedly need since you are on the same team.
You're all fantastic scum hunters. I still stand firm in my belief that TL produces some of the best scum hunters out there. If I could make two suggestions, they would be that our townies need to rediscover their diplomacy, and also that its OK to follow someone else once in a while, being stubbornly married to your opinion can be very disruptive.
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Well thats awkward ;P
The "dumb bitch" comment was directed at me, yet, I am also a recipient of being too nice for TL lol
Which is it!
For the record, I did apologise that the behaviour was not necessary or acceptable.
On June 29 2018 12:47 Mocsta wrote:
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its ok, i've calmed down somewhat.
i do apologise for those outburts, not that it is acceptable in the first place.
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You should play Adam and show us by example how to be more diplomatic.
Perhaps in the game I may be hosting soon ;P
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Its absolutely on the cards, I'm freshly unemployed by choice so I might just have the time to play a round or two.
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I pretty much used the friendliness of Calix towards TT against her since everyone was pretty much just yelling at walls. Since it was easy to portray that buddy buddy mentality everyone on this forum searches for lol
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On June 28 2018 08:38 Regfan wrote:
HF, Cake, Rayn, Moscta and Calix are still all town, if you fuckwits can learn to come and work together this games still winnable.
Hunt inside Vivax, Shockey, TT, GSM, Conversion and Koshi.
-R
This would have been a great person to rally behind.
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On July 04 2018 12:44 Mocsta wrote:Well thats awkward ;P The "dumb bitch" comment was directed at me, yet, I am also a recipient of being too nice for TL lol Which is it! For the record, I did apologise that the behaviour was not necessary or acceptable. Show nested quote +On June 29 2018 12:47 Mocsta wrote:
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its ok, i've calmed down somewhat.
i do apologise for those outburts, not that it is acceptable in the first place.
[..] You should play Adam and show us by example how to be more diplomatic. Perhaps in the game I may be hosting soon ;P
To be fair, I don’t think you can be too nice on this forum. Who would tell you you are too nice for here? Regfan? I wouldn’t accept their word, but to each their own.
Name calling is so simply counter productive to a game of arguments and needing to convince people. Being rude won’t help matters.
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I don't take issue with the feedback considering that I agree it was unnecessary.
Perhaps you are not directly solely at me; however, if you were, I firmly believe being marginalized for that over other sins people occurring on each and every TL-mafia game is a rubbish position to take.
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The place in which I met rayn and slenderman people were more strict, if I remember correctly I think I used “that is gay” and one gay guy felt super offended. I still dont know if the person was trans or gay, but whatever.
I think you need to know that “in game” and “outside gane” are different things. I found Calix to be really enjoyable in the off topic convos that were happening.
And I dont felt that offended, like in my persona, it just made me wondered if I should play because I made people feel bad. Which is never my intention ofc.
I am super cute normaly >~< as in normal convos.
We should just do voice mafia where people act nicer because voice and all.
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And honestly, the person I think who was treated the worst was Calix, and maybe motsca end of the day.
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Thanks for hosting. Sorry about getting bitchy.
No lynch was the best play by far. Medics healing themselves I would never have believed rayn though.
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On June 28 2018 09:33 Holyflare wrote:
2018 power tier list sheep or die
Calix
TT
Vivax
Conversion
Mocsta
Koshi (potential to move up)
Copcake
Slenderman (why)
Reg (possibly not with rayn)
Shockey (possibly not with rayn)
Rayn
I was in a fairly good spot day 2 and then I decided to get coerced and push my town reads. Poor game from me. I should have chosen the other lurker to lynch d1.
Also sorry if I was a dick to anyone. I tried really hard to be nice at the start of the game and then it kind of devolved after slender didn't get mk.
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On July 04 2018 13:05 Mocsta wrote:
I don't take issue with the feedback considering that I agree it was unnecessary.
Perhaps you are not directly solely at me; however, if you were, I firmly believe being marginalized for that over other sins people occurring on each and every TL-mafia game is a rubbish position to take.
I wasn’t singling you out. I think it’s a problem TL has had for a longtime. Most the players in this game were guilty.
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On July 04 2018 15:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 09:33 Holyflare wrote:
2018 power tier list sheep or die
Calix
TT
Vivax
Conversion
Mocsta
Koshi (potential to move up)
Copcake
Slenderman (why)
Reg (possibly not with rayn)
Shockey (possibly not with rayn)
Rayn I was in a fairly good spot day 2 and then I decided to get coerced and push my town reads. Poor game from me. I should have chosen the other lurker to lynch d1. Also sorry if I was a dick to anyone. I tried really hard to be nice at the start of the game and then it kind of devolved after slender didn't get mk.
I think you’re in a very tough spot. I think objectively reading what you say no one should get mad. But what seems to happen is you throw out a scum valuation and the person gets super bent out of shape. They take it personally for some reason then start going all caps in rage.
I’ve seen you try extremely hard to keep your cool when a couple players lose their shit.
For what little it is worth, I think you’re great to play mafia with.
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I think people should stop taking what people say in games to heart. Mafia’s an emotional game and people are prone to saying stupid things that they don’t ACTUALLY mean when frustrated, angry, etc. Granted I say this because I have a harder time refraining from BM comments when playing mafia but a bit of frustration in a game is to be expected IMO.
I don’t think that’s necessarily bad. Part of mafia’s job is to rile up town so their decision making skills are compromised.
Also most people seem perfectly fine and pleasant outside of the game. I actually spent a lot of time thinking Conversion was mafia because he was being such a dick so soon after we had cohosted together. And I thought that he was deliberately being inflammatory to push mafia agenda ^^
I would say that if someone repeatedly keeps insulting people, starts attacking their personal characteristics or if someone asks them to stop and they don’t then that’s when it becomes a problem.
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By the way Mocsta, I wasn't being sarcastic about the good range as mafia. Believe it or not I thought you were playing so different as mafia that you DO have a good range. Was actually meant to be a compliment. Also, I didn't mean for it to be an opportune time to make a case, just didn't see any reason for you to vote me and made a case on something I thought made sense and you sleep when I'm back from work :p
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