[M] Mafia For Busy People - Page 47

On June 17 2018 06:43 Rels wrote:
HF just feels scum. For so many reasons. So many bad conclusions. The debates with rayn since the early game. The mis-analysis of the Superbia's kill. Saying he scumread kita but always pushing someone else over him. Now trying to push Mocsta. Those gigantic posts against Mocsta, that almost noone will read and are full of storytelling. That makes no sense if he's town, he knows those never convince anyone. That shows effort if he's scum. Trying to find someone to lynch instead of him, anyone, instead of solving the game in that game whereI tunneled him hard and he flipped town.

Unflipped analysis now, but if he's scum with iamp, it makes even more sense. He never pushes him. Earlier today he said he was pushing him oor something like that, but since then he's trying to kill Mocsta KSC or me.

On June 14 2018 07:22 Mocsta wrote:
Obviously you already know the answer to this, so I am expecting that apology.. br0

I also note that you are being aggressively rude this game.
something wrong in personal life? or that concerned about your teammate getting lynched?

thats a genuine question btw if it didnt come across that way.

On June 17 2018 07:43 Grackaroni wrote:
How confident are you in Mocsta town?

On June 11 2018 04:45 Koshi wrote:
I also did think for a second fuba was different from last game when I was skimming.

I don't think this makes fuba mafia or town.

But it makes HF townie.

First official Koshi read:
HF

On June 12 2018 19:59 Koshi wrote:
I think from all players i like mocsta the least. Mafia wise I mean ofc

Really does almost nothing

On June 14 2018 01:18 Koshi wrote:
I'll do some effort. I am at a pc since a long time and why the fuck not. And if I am lynched I can shrug and live with the fact the townies on me had information to decide correctly.

1. Holyflare
Town - I said why
4. raynpelikoneet
Can't read his posts because they are boring as fuck.
5. fuba
Blue claim and will believe it. Dumb as fuck claim unless he was going to get lynched and I think he might be so ok for me.
6. kitaman27
Can't be fucking mafia showing this much effort and I actually like to read his posts because they seems smart but I will glance his filter and write another sentence.
I think this guy is town because his reads line up with mine and he has made a lot of small smart reads that people don't bother reading because they are retarded fucks or mafia. Anyway, if he is mafia he is one of the best mafia players out there. Who is mafia and reads and understand the game on this level when not a single townie gives a fuck??? lol.

7. Tubesock
See my earlier townread on him. It was explained.
Then this post:

Let's just lynch Mocsta and if he is mafia we have some confirmed townies and can be happy.


8. Mocsta
Really Mocsta. No offense. I like you. Also you think I am mafia so in the rare case you are town just see this as a mafia annoying you trying to tilt you.

If Mocsta is town, he is (more likely) extremely wrong this game. (kita is not mafia, I am not mafia)
If Mocsta is town, he is boring as fuck to read. Really fucking boring posts imo.
If Mocsta is town, he bickers with people (ex. Tube) and not doing a lot of working together with people to solve the game.
If Mocsta is town, he is super m33k towards HF and rayn and again he is not making posts towards them that look townie. He is not trying to push his will on them, just greasing them or something. It's dirty.

And all in all I don't believe Mocsta scumreads kita but is just mafia defending against with OMGUS.

10. Rels
Should have killed this shitter D1 like I told you. Still looks like horseshit even if iamp is mafia or rayn town or w.e he said in his little post is true. Lynch this fucker.


11. KelsierSC
More trash for the trashcan

12. iamperfection
He is mafia more likely. I would lynch him over Rels and Kelsier. Because the other 2 are more likely to be trash and town than iamp.

13. Grackaroni
Could be mafia taking the backseat adjusting his reads correctly when sentiment shifts. So could be dangerous mafia. But we probably can't lynch him till the trash is taken out. Also haven't reread his filter.


14. TheSlenderMan
Trash for the trashcan.

On June 17 2018 07:47 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Wait what, Tubesock, how did you unvoting just now "help HF to not get Lynched"? The wagon you were on is the only established one that could've formed a counterwagon!

On June 17 2018 07:28 Holyflare wrote:


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/529865-newbie-student-mafia-xxviii?page=77#1533

I just made a big post in that game you're talking about and did the same thing when I started to be up for lynch. How is that any different from now where iamp had 2 votes for 24 hours and then somehow I become a majority and then I try and pump out a case on why I think what I think and why?

On June 15 2018 03:27 TheSlenderMan wrote:
KelsierSC -- could be Mafia, sure. No real way to know what happened with the progression of reads on kitaman and fuba. But I wouldn't want to Lynch D3. I would assume Mafia to be more aware of what's going on, wrt fuba's claim for instance.

fuba -- his filter checks out, I'm buying the claim. The weirdness of the tone I noticed earlier (and which troubled me start-of-D2) is also perfectly well explained by a Power-role eager to get to do something behind the scenes.

D1 final Vote Tally -- the only outlier Votes from the two main wagons (Palmar and rayn) were me and Tubesock (afk) and Koshi. Nothing real to be gained from this information, as the two main wagons were 99% likely to just give Mafia free hands to Vote however the hell they want.

Holyflare -- has called people out on the right stuff. Been able to follow his posts from a game-solving perspective. Don't feel like there's real evidence to suggest tinfoiling -- as Mafia the last minute consideration and re-consideration of the D2-Vote was simply unnecessary. In a situation where, for instance, I myself could've been last-hour wagoned with no one looking too bad for it.

Tubesock -- I still find the filter suspicious.
#240, which is basically the start of his playing, is "I've decided to sheep HF this game. I want to make a remark about Grack's EoD1 but I have TMI so I point out that what he did isn't OBJECTIVELY Scummy, so I won't pursue what should be a subjectively interesting possibility [for me] of finding Mafia. I end the post mentioning one of my Scumbuddies in an off-handed joke."
Later, towards the End of D2 (posts #270 and #401), this has changed to "to all you who have played with Grack more, you should also know that Grack being self-aware of his D1-Vote this way should ring some alarm bells". This doesn't actually match with #240. In that post Grack was supposed to be suspicious ONLY if rayn was Mafia as well.
The progression of the iamp-suspicion ("implicated by the Night Kill") is lazy in a non-Town way. Especially since it's immediately followed up by "oh yeah I could Vote you too [Mocsta] based on this, but I kind of forgot even though you're one of the few people I separately mentioned earlier".
Also a lot of soft-defending of kitaman.
Overall, there's the same kind of "detached" tone that caught my eye with kitaman's filter as well. A tone that doesn't have the writer's heart in trying to actually solve the game, instead just "dancing around" the things happening in the Thread.

Need some food now so will continue vomiting out my thoughts in an hour or so.