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On June 14 2018 08:44 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Wrt my N1-post and others, clearly I've been missing and misreading a LOT of things. Like missing the kita/rayn interaction D1 and later missing that fuba had claimed Tracker.
Holyflare COULD be Mafia by the simple virtue of clearly being a very strong player (and by virtue of that very last minute Vote) but I doubt it. If my understanding of the Thread is correct, it feels to me like you, rayn, are letting your emotions affect your HF-stance a bit. You didn't clarify to him about your weekend until just a few moments ago. And, like I said earlier, coming in to the Thread I could completely understand why Palmar (who I haven't played with but have read games from) would find your [rayn's] entrance to the Thread suspicious, even though it wasn't ACTUALLY a legitimate reason for suspicion. I've done the same mistake in earlier games when I didn't realize it was a null-tell.
iamp's end-of-D2 seemed awkward and I think I'll need to reread the whole thing again before saying anything other than "it's possible" [that he's Mafia]. But still would, gun to my head, say that he isn't Mafia.
Tubesock hasn't convinced me but I haven't read his whole filter. His discussion start-of-D2 with Mocksa seemed weird for him. (And seemed very good for Mocksa, who has continued to seem very Town-like since then, for the record.)
Grack has disappeared, both from the pages I've read and from my mind. IIRC he's voiced some suspicions towards kita and also Koshi that make him look better. But I still remember his D1 posts rubbing me the wrong way.
This also reads like TMI.
That entire paragraph seems fishy as fuck.
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On June 14 2018 07:21 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Holyflare -- D1 you say this: "Tells people to stop trolling, presumably to instead play the game but then does nothing whatsoever to actually contribute. Then comes back 12 hours later to say nothing and afk and only just say palmar's read is weird.
plz lynch
##vote raynpelikoneet
team is probably rayn/koshi "
How is your own D1 any better by your own standards, before you start commenting on fuba?
This was the only thing before that last quote. So he never really townread HF before making that statement to rayn.
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I had a reason for dismissing Slend as town but I can't remember it
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I think he is mafia. Honest read.
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On June 17 2018 06:24 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2018 07:21 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Holyflare -- D1 you say this: "Tells people to stop trolling, presumably to instead play the game but then does nothing whatsoever to actually contribute. Then comes back 12 hours later to say nothing and afk and only just say palmar's read is weird.
plz lynch
##vote raynpelikoneet
team is probably rayn/koshi "
How is your own D1 any better by your own standards, before you start commenting on fuba? This was the only thing before that last quote. So he never really townread HF before making that statement to rayn.
he said "hf is town" in a list post but that question was really the only substantial thing towards me at any point in the game
feels like you're kind of biased though because he makes the assumption that my vote is just a town one that lynched mafia so rayn is tunelled
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On June 15 2018 08:17 TheSlenderMan wrote:Was hoping rayn would've had time for a long post before PC. Oh well. Going to go Vote Tubesock in the Vote-thread now. Here's the case: Show nested quote +On June 12 2018 05:03 Tubesock wrote:
I liked most all of HF stuff.
I think Mocsta was the one berating and misconstruing. I haven’t liked any of Mocsta’s posts.
I’m also not really a fan of Gracks eod performance. But it’s only scummy if Rayn is mafia. I’m leaning more towards Rayn being town.
Everyone is pretty null. Although Kita made me laugh with two of his posts. And I don’t like to kill people who make me laugh. This is the post I paraphrased earlier thusly: "I've decided to sheep HF this game. I want to make a remark about Grack's EoD1 but I have TMI so I point out that what he did isn't OBJECTIVELY Scummy, so I won't pursue what should be a subjectively interesting possibility [for me] of finding Mafia. I end the post mentioning one of my Scumbuddies in an off-handed joke." The next moment you elaborate on Grack, you change your mind about what formed the basis of your earlier read? Show nested quote +On June 12 2018 11:30 Tubesock wrote:
For anyone who’s played more with Grack:
I think of Grack as a player who normally doesn’t really care what the rest of the players think about him. I’ve been in and seen him in games go completely against the tide and not care at all if people scum read him. Fearless.
I think him worrying about how his vote would look right after a “It’s SHENANNY time!” Post is very strange.
Am I wrong? (Not to mention why he wouldn’t just kill rayn because it seemed he wanted him dead more so than Palmar) This post also looks pretty bad. There's the soft-defending of kitaman, for one thing. But there's also the fact that you have "decided" to suspect iamperfection, while Mocsta's the person you've paid more attention to. Not just by your own direct admission, but also because you say you've liked HF's content, and you went out of your separate way to mention Mocsta in your first catch-up and reads -post. Show nested quote +On June 12 2018 09:04 Tubesock wrote:On June 12 2018 08:57 Mocsta wrote:
literally you held a relatively strong position before on read with no mention of iamp at all.
Now everything else is dropped.. pfft.
Why not kitaman? I could vote you also. NK kinda implicates you as well since Superbia was suspicious but then kinda not. But he was pretty flaky on his read so he could probably be a threat to you as well. Why is iamperfection town to you? Because he is bored and not interested in the game? You don’t think a mafia wouldn’t say that to keep lurking? Kitaman is on the funny side of town, so as I said earlier I won’t vote him. Although if Kita does flip mafia then I’ll believe you’re Town so there’s that. When it comes to your iamperfection-suspicion, you remain passive aggressive. You don't pursue it, you don't ask questions. Instead you just keep pointing out that it's a thing and it should be a thing for the rest of us as well -- but your Vote just kind of ends up remaining there until the very end of the Phase. Even though a LOT happened in the mean time. And then you weren't around to help save kitaman EoD2. And your posts since the flip have been one-liners. And the soft-defending of kitaman I mentioned earlier also happened in all of your other comments regarding him.
This case is also pushing the limits.
1) Tubesock comment about Kita is not clear mafia on mafia. Could just be town being wrong.
2) The Grack quote is actually a pretty good post by Tube tbh. Also. Slender his second point in the case is a quite open question to Tube...
3) Again. I think that quote looks actually pretty ok. Pressure on Mocsta. Pressure on iamp. And yes Tube is wrong on Kita but that can just be a mistake. Pushing that twice in the thread while going aginst Mocsta seems more likely town being wrong than mafia pushing an idea.
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Meh.
If Slender is an ok player.
Then he is mafia.
If he is a bit of a new wonky player.
I could maybe see him be town
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The case he makes on Tubesock and the read he gave rayn about HF or the one of Rels is just not on the same level.
His read on Rels is beyond Godlike if it is true. Rels popping in sheeping rayn a bit is clear town.
How he says rayn is getting too emotional towards HF and not seeing clear is a pretty nice read in case HF is town.
His case on Tube is sloppy as fuck and reaching pretty fucking far.
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Dnu. Dnu.
I could easily vote Slendy.
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maybe. Can't find why I thought he was town. Do you think it's impossible HF / Slender are scum together based on your post above ? Cause I would always lynch HF over Slend there.
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lynching me is fucking dumb
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I don't want to vote Mocsta.
I don't want to vote Kelsier (due to that new thing I found)
I prefer to sit with Grack and Mocsta and lose HF (sheeping 3 townreads, 1 died) than let Kelsier get lynched.
And if you die HF I know your Mocsta read is legit. Even though I somewhat think you are town but w.e. I was wrong last time as well.
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On June 17 2018 06:36 Holyflare wrote:
lynching me is fucking dumb
I'm not talking to you
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On June 17 2018 06:35 Rels wrote:
maybe. Can't find why I thought he was town. Do you think it's impossible HF / Slender are scum together based on your post above ? Cause I would always lynch HF over Slend there.
I wont. Kill useless players first. Let HF play the game. He deserves it.
I don't see HF be mafia. But I might be wrong and am willing to vote with town.
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you've read up to page 24 and haven't even seen any part of the real game or after the actual lynch where mafia was lynched and you're basing your entire read on who I thought was most likely to make a mafia nk
that's not good rels
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On June 17 2018 06:37 Holyflare wrote:
you've read up to page 24 and haven't even seen any part of the real game or after the actual lynch where mafia was lynched and you're basing your entire read on who I thought was most likely to make a mafia nk
that's not good rels
I've read every post of the thread
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On June 17 2018 05:49 Rels wrote:
from what I've read (up until p24) I don't see how you can consider a Mocsta / kita team. Dude was arguing hardcore against him and was the first to vote him immediately after EOD.
??????????????????????????????
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If iamp is mafia Kelsier isn't.
I still see iamp be mafia with a lot of people.
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HF just feels scum. For so many reasons. So many bad conclusions. The debates with rayn since the early game. The mis-analysis of the Superbia's kill. Saying he scumread kita but always pushing someone else over him. Now trying to push Mocsta. Those gigantic posts against Mocsta, that almost noone will read and are full of storytelling. That makes no sense if he's town, he knows those never convince anyone. That shows effort if he's scum. Trying to find someone to lynch instead of him, anyone, instead of solving the game in that game whereI tunneled him hard and he flipped town.
Unflipped analysis now, but if he's scum with iamp, it makes even more sense. He never pushes him. Earlier today he said he was pushing him oor something like that, but since then he's trying to kill Mocsta KSC or me.
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On June 17 2018 06:40 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2018 05:49 Rels wrote:
from what I've read (up until p24) I don't see how you can consider a Mocsta / kita team. Dude was arguing hardcore against him and was the first to vote him immediately after EOD. ??????????????????????????????
then I continued to read and I've caught up
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